Actually, the kind of processing they might be doing would work rather well.
I'd be willing to bet that they run an entire simulation on one computer. The kind of tests they want to run probably involves running simulations with a wide range of starting conditions. In addition, the behavior of the system might be different from run to run. This sort of project would work really well for an "@home" kind of project.
Hmmm...at this point I'd like to remember an obscure traffic law that most people have seen to forgotten over the last several years...
Pedestrians have the right of way on a road. Doesn't matter what the hell they're doing.
If pedestrians are in your way, tough shit.
If stopping traffic were violating a major law then I wonder why nobody is ever arrested for causing traffic jams.
"Disturbing the peace." I love this phrase. You can't arrest some ass driving down the street playing ganster wrap on his 3.2 gigawatt car stereo system for disturbing the peace. Yet you condone arresting people because they are expressing their disagreement with the republican nominee/party in particular.
Sounds like a huge case of "I don't give a shit, and by giving a shit you're causing me a problem, so stop it". Fuck off and start giving a shit.
The purpose of a distibuted OS would be more to spread a large, time consuming computation to other computers that are "idle".
For example, say I was running POVRay to render some scene that takes 20 hours. Suppose there are 10 other computers on the network. If I was running some hypothetical OS and a version of POVRay that allowed itself to be split up into "managable" tasks, the OS would look at the other computers on the network and determine which machines could be used to help out with the task. Say 5 people are away from their desk and no time consuming application is running -- 100% of those 5 computer's cpu time is available to help you render your picture. Say a few more people are surfing the net. 90% of their CPU time is available for your use. Etc.
Distributed Operating systems have different goals, but spreading tasks among various computers across the network seems to be the prevailing goal.
In a way, it is a way of moving back to the "mainframe" days, where computing time was expensive and none of it was wasted.
Actually, one of the largest problems with Distributed Computing based on fault tolerance.
In fact, most of the research in the field is based on this area.
What is most disturbing to me, is that many of these problems have been deemed "unsolvable"; or at least they havn't been solved in a 100% reliable manner to date.
The SETI@home screensaver may be a client and there is a server which dishes out data, however the approach they are taking to solve their problem is a distributed one.
Distributed does not mean that client and server have to be integrated into one process or application. It does not mean that each node has to be talk to every other node. It does not mean that every node has to be able to function autonomously. Distributed computing can merely be the approach (or methodology) used to solve a large problem, as SETI has done.
The SETI@home project takes a MASSIVE amount of data and dishes it out to thousands (if not millions) of machines, all of which operate on that data and return a result. The mechanism used to transfer the data is not distributed, but the mechanism used to solve the problem is.
the only company sacraficing quality in production is Intel. They have released speed bins faster than their chips should be able to handle (their first 600mhz chips). However, I have not heard about such problems since.
I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't see quality going down the tubes. Just prices.
A SUV isn't a truck. It is as best a glofied minivan crossed with a tank, except the tank was built better.
An SUV is far more likely to KILL someone in an accident than another car is, unless said car is a '57 chevy or similar to it. In fact, in a multiple car pileup, the SUV is more likely to kill multiple people in multiple cars as the first car flips the SUV on top of the second one.
SUV's make sense if the owner has a family and needs to tow a boat. Small SUV's make sense if you like to tear up some backwoods area.
SUV's are a MENACE in the hands of a daily commuter. A Geo Metro can maneuver better than a Suburban, yet you see people driving those SUV things at 85 mph in a 55 weaving in and out of traffic, almost rolling every time it changes lanes.
People like SUV's because they're high off the ground and can see everything. SUV's are dangerous because they are high off the ground (tendancy to roll), and block the visibility of every other driver around it. In fact, I'd be willing to wager SUV's are rear ended on stop-goto60for30seconds-stop highway strips than any other vehicle because the drivers behind it can't see the brakelights of cars in front of it.
People like SUV's because they think that they're safer in them, causing drivers to drive carelessly without regards to those around them. Fact is SUV's are MORE dangerous than normal cars, and more lethal in car accidents to everyone involved.
People claim to like the power they feel while driving one. Spend that 40 grand on a car that doesn't weight 4 tons with the same engine and THEN you'll feel power. And odds are you are safer in one anyway. And will get better gas mileage.
I didn't misinterpret the post I replied to. Read the last line where he says "Which do you think is the future?"
The GM EV1 comes to mind (re: Honda is gonna want 'em back)....yeah, they probably won't buy them all, back, but I'm willing to bet they try to find several that were really abused to see how well they held up. The vehicle has new materials and designs that havn't really been "out there" before, and no data is really available as to how well it holds up.
"Lab" testing can never compare to what several thousand idiots do before they're fully awake in the morning;).
You are comparing a technology that has been out for eons and tweaked until it can barely be tweaked anymore to something most definately 'new' by any standard.
The new technology is unrefined and tweaking has yet to begin.
The new technology STARTS where the old technology is leveling off.
You tell me, which will be around in the future?
Your arguement is "why bother to try new things, when we have this other thing over here that is still making us money?" Why are they selling stuff at a loss? Because they think that this kind of vehicle is essential to their future in the automotive industry. Anyone who buys the Insight is paying to test a new technology for Honda. I'd be willing to bet that Honda buys every single one of them back from the owners at some point and rips each one apart to see how it held up, and where they can make improvements. This is CHEAP R&D for them.
The automobile industry is currently trying to shift itself away from gasoline. California started it with their "insane" emissions requirements. The recent gas "crisis" (as some would call it) probably hasn't hurt their determination for this much either. Automotive makers know they're up a creek if gas supplies dry up (either through supplies running out, becoming prohibitively expensive, or Arab nations deciding to no longer ship fuel to the states). Hybrid vehicles are the first step in moving away from gas. The next wave will probably consist of automobiles driven only by electric motors with some form of combustion inside the car that starts up to charge the batteries. Moving further into pure speculation, I'll bet there is some sort of fuelcell combined with a technology to extract hydrogen from gasoline, mixing over to other liquid hydrocarbons (this is where I'd bet that fuel stations will start stocking multiple types of fuel like methanol, which is easier to split hydrogen from than normal gas). After that, I don't have a clue. =).
Actually, that thing is so small I don't think it is physically possible to crap 350lbs of stuff inside of it, unless you are talking about dumbells or weight equipment or something...It'd probably break the frame! =)
Yeah, except if that drunk idiot that runs into you is also driving a suburbin...then you'll die before they can cut all of the metal surrounding you =P.
Also, SUV's have much more mass (which translates to energy when it's moving) that must be disappated and also have a high center of mass, which means your saftey is actually more at risk in an SUV than in a moderate sized car (roll and airtime come into play in the SUV).
I can kind of see the attraction of SUV's, but I consider them more of a menance than anything else.
The insight isn't a pure gas powered car. It's a hybrid electric/gas car.
It has two motors. A low power deisel engine that pretty much runs at a constant speed. There is also an electric motor that kicks on when the vehicle is going uphill to provide extra power without requiring the engine to speed up.
The engine charges the batteries when it is providing excess power.
Neat concept. Still expensive though, but I'm very glad to see that a company was FINALLY brave enough to release one of these things to the general public.
I would suspect that within the next 10 years that all new cars will have this sort of technology in them (and it will be much cheaper). We're already seeing it in the ricecars =).
The duron's L1 cache is 128k. The L2 cache is 64k. The two caches are exclusive (ie: what's in the L2 cache is not duplicated in the L1 cache).
The power consumption isn't that big of a deal. If you're really woried about heat, perform some sort of power over area caculcation, and you'll find that it's comparable to everything else out there. It is also a good idea to note that that is peak power consumption, not average.
Yes. Your walkman has an electric motor in it. Electic motors are VERY noisy.
If you want to see the effect of your 'little' hp48, go to wallmart and buy a cheap TI calculator. Turn it on next to a cheap radio. Play with the radio frequencies in the AM band until you hear your calculator. Yes, you will hear that cheap TI add/subtract/multiply/divide calculator. Powered by a watch battery.
Now consider that the hp48 has a processor running at a much greater speed, by more batteries that last for less time and has actual (noisy) electronics in it and tell me if you still can't figure out why it could be a problem.
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I guess that's why the buggy athlon has about 4 pages of errata compared to the BOOK of errate intel publishes....
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Buggy Athlons? FUD all the way
A "pedestrian" is a person on a road not driving a motorized vehicle.
If you want to make up another definition to justify violating someone else's rights so you can get to work 30 seconds faster, by all means go ahead.
Actually, the kind of processing they might be doing would work rather well.
I'd be willing to bet that they run an entire simulation on one computer. The kind of tests they want to run probably involves running simulations with a wide range of starting conditions. In addition, the behavior of the system might be different from run to run. This sort of project would work really well for an "@home" kind of project.
Gotta have lunch sometime......be kinda silly to get on the bullhorn "Everyone go get lunch and meet back here in half an hour!"....LOL
Hmmm...at this point I'd like to remember an obscure traffic law that most people have seen to forgotten over the last several years ...
Pedestrians have the right of way on a road. Doesn't matter what the hell they're doing.
If pedestrians are in your way, tough shit.
If stopping traffic were violating a major law then I wonder why nobody is ever arrested for causing traffic jams.
"Disturbing the peace." I love this phrase. You can't arrest some ass driving down the street playing ganster wrap on his 3.2 gigawatt car stereo system for disturbing the peace. Yet you condone arresting people because they are expressing their disagreement with the republican nominee/party in particular.
Sounds like a huge case of "I don't give a shit, and by giving a shit you're causing me a problem, so stop it". Fuck off and start giving a shit.
To quote a guy that works here and drive the testers nuts...
"Works fine on my machine."
=)
*rolls eyes*
Delete the old prefs before using a new version. Think.
The purpose of a distibuted OS would be more to spread a large, time consuming computation to other computers that are "idle".
For example, say I was running POVRay to render some scene that takes 20 hours. Suppose there are 10 other computers on the network. If I was running some hypothetical OS and a version of POVRay that allowed itself to be split up into "managable" tasks, the OS would look at the other computers on the network and determine which machines could be used to help out with the task. Say 5 people are away from their desk and no time consuming application is running -- 100% of those 5 computer's cpu time is available to help you render your picture. Say a few more people are surfing the net. 90% of their CPU time is available for your use. Etc.
Distributed Operating systems have different goals, but spreading tasks among various computers across the network seems to be the prevailing goal.
In a way, it is a way of moving back to the "mainframe" days, where computing time was expensive and none of it was wasted.
Actually, one of the largest problems with Distributed Computing based on fault tolerance.
In fact, most of the research in the field is based on this area.
What is most disturbing to me, is that many of these problems have been deemed "unsolvable"; or at least they havn't been solved in a 100% reliable manner to date.
The SETI@home screensaver may be a client and there is a server which dishes out data, however the approach they are taking to solve their problem is a distributed one.
Distributed does not mean that client and server have to be integrated into one process or application. It does not mean that each node has to be talk to every other node. It does not mean that every node has to be able to function autonomously. Distributed computing can merely be the approach (or methodology) used to solve a large problem, as SETI has done.
The SETI@home project takes a MASSIVE amount of data and dishes it out to thousands (if not millions) of machines, all of which operate on that data and return a result. The mechanism used to transfer the data is not distributed, but the mechanism used to solve the problem is.
the only company sacraficing quality in production is Intel. They have released speed bins faster than their chips should be able to handle (their first 600mhz chips). However, I have not heard about such problems since.
I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't see quality going down the tubes. Just prices.
A SUV isn't a truck. It is as best a glofied minivan crossed with a tank, except the tank was built better.
An SUV is far more likely to KILL someone in an accident than another car is, unless said car is a '57 chevy or similar to it. In fact, in a multiple car pileup, the SUV is more likely to kill multiple people in multiple cars as the first car flips the SUV on top of the second one.
SUV's make sense if the owner has a family and needs to tow a boat. Small SUV's make sense if you like to tear up some backwoods area.
SUV's are a MENACE in the hands of a daily commuter. A Geo Metro can maneuver better than a Suburban, yet you see people driving those SUV things at 85 mph in a 55 weaving in and out of traffic, almost rolling every time it changes lanes.
People like SUV's because they're high off the ground and can see everything. SUV's are dangerous because they are high off the ground (tendancy to roll), and block the visibility of every other driver around it. In fact, I'd be willing to wager SUV's are rear ended on stop-goto60for30seconds-stop highway strips than any other vehicle because the drivers behind it can't see the brakelights of cars in front of it.
People like SUV's because they think that they're safer in them, causing drivers to drive carelessly without regards to those around them. Fact is SUV's are MORE dangerous than normal cars, and more lethal in car accidents to everyone involved.
People claim to like the power they feel while driving one. Spend that 40 grand on a car that doesn't weight 4 tons with the same engine and THEN you'll feel power. And odds are you are safer in one anyway. And will get better gas mileage.
*sigh* that retort meet your stringent standards?
Consumer Reports also got slower 0-60 times for the 2000 Eclipse (using a manual) than can be achieved using THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION.
Consumer Reports is hardly what I would consider an authoritative source.
I didn't misinterpret the post I replied to. Read the last line where he says "Which do you think is the future?"
;).
The GM EV1 comes to mind (re: Honda is gonna want 'em back)....yeah, they probably won't buy them all, back, but I'm willing to bet they try to find several that were really abused to see how well they held up. The vehicle has new materials and designs that havn't really been "out there" before, and no data is really available as to how well it holds up.
"Lab" testing can never compare to what several thousand idiots do before they're fully awake in the morning
Batteries are guaranteed to last 8 years under the warranty.
If they die before then, Honda replaces them for free.
Think about what you just said for a moment.
You are comparing a technology that has been out for eons and tweaked until it can barely be tweaked anymore to something most definately 'new' by any standard.
The new technology is unrefined and tweaking has yet to begin.
The new technology STARTS where the old technology is leveling off.
You tell me, which will be around in the future?
Your arguement is "why bother to try new things, when we have this other thing over here that is still making us money?" Why are they selling stuff at a loss? Because they think that this kind of vehicle is essential to their future in the automotive industry. Anyone who buys the Insight is paying to test a new technology for Honda. I'd be willing to bet that Honda buys every single one of them back from the owners at some point and rips each one apart to see how it held up, and where they can make improvements. This is CHEAP R&D for them.
The automobile industry is currently trying to shift itself away from gasoline. California started it with their "insane" emissions requirements. The recent gas "crisis" (as some would call it) probably hasn't hurt their determination for this much either. Automotive makers know they're up a creek if gas supplies dry up (either through supplies running out, becoming prohibitively expensive, or Arab nations deciding to no longer ship fuel to the states). Hybrid vehicles are the first step in moving away from gas. The next wave will probably consist of automobiles driven only by electric motors with some form of combustion inside the car that starts up to charge the batteries. Moving further into pure speculation, I'll bet there is some sort of fuelcell combined with a technology to extract hydrogen from gasoline, mixing over to other liquid hydrocarbons (this is where I'd bet that fuel stations will start stocking multiple types of fuel like methanol, which is easier to split hydrogen from than normal gas). After that, I don't have a clue. =).
Actually, that thing is so small I don't think it is physically possible to crap 350lbs of stuff inside of it, unless you are talking about dumbells or weight equipment or something...It'd probably break the frame! =)
SUV's are so popular because yuppies are too hip to buy a Minivan.
...and as I watch you take an evasive maneuver in your 5000lb SUV and watch physics in action i'll remember to laugh.
SUV's are a modern day '57 chevy. Huge. Big motor. Handles like shit, and kills anyone in it's way.
Yeah, except if that drunk idiot that runs into you is also driving a suburbin...then you'll die before they can cut all of the metal surrounding you =P.
Also, SUV's have much more mass (which translates to energy when it's moving) that must be disappated and also have a high center of mass, which means your saftey is actually more at risk in an SUV than in a moderate sized car (roll and airtime come into play in the SUV).
I can kind of see the attraction of SUV's, but I consider them more of a menance than anything else.
You're missing the point.
The insight isn't a pure gas powered car. It's a hybrid electric/gas car.
It has two motors. A low power deisel engine that pretty much runs at a constant speed. There is also an electric motor that kicks on when the vehicle is going uphill to provide extra power without requiring the engine to speed up.
The engine charges the batteries when it is providing excess power.
Neat concept. Still expensive though, but I'm very glad to see that a company was FINALLY brave enough to release one of these things to the general public.
I would suspect that within the next 10 years that all new cars will have this sort of technology in them (and it will be much cheaper). We're already seeing it in the ricecars =).
I guess you never really played streetfighter...
Streetfighter II
Super Streetfighter II
Turbo Streetfighter II
Alpha Streetfighter II
Turbo Alpha....
The duron's L1 cache is 128k. The L2 cache is 64k. The two caches are exclusive (ie: what's in the L2 cache is not duplicated in the L1 cache).
The power consumption isn't that big of a deal. If you're really woried about heat, perform some sort of power over area caculcation, and you'll find that it's comparable to everything else out there. It is also a good idea to note that that is peak power consumption, not average.
Yes. Your walkman has an electric motor in it. Electic motors are VERY noisy.
If you want to see the effect of your 'little' hp48, go to wallmart and buy a cheap TI calculator. Turn it on next to a cheap radio. Play with the radio frequencies in the AM band until you hear your calculator. Yes, you will hear that cheap TI add/subtract/multiply/divide calculator. Powered by a watch battery.
Now consider that the hp48 has a processor running at a much greater speed, by more batteries that last for less time and has actual (noisy) electronics in it and tell me if you still can't figure out why it could be a problem.
In addition to the other post, the electic motor present in the cd player also generates noise.