Why do we have so much bandwidth in the L1 and L2 cache? Because if you have data in it, hitting it, things are much MUCH faster than hitting main memory.
Just because the memory talks to the chipset at 100 or 133mhz doesn't mean that the chipset talks to the cpu at that speed. In fact, that's one of the things that makes the EV6 bus design so flippin cool. The chipset on the K7 talks to the CPU at an effective 200 or 266mhz. Lots of bandwidth.
It's a clone in the same respect that AMD's CPU's are clones of Intels, or HP's pc's are clones of IBM's.
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Who is to say that it goes against the spirit of the game?
The guys who made the game. If you think there is someone else out there who is in a better position to make that kind of judgement, by all means get them to back your side...
That's like after 20 years of tennis they ban slicing because somebody doesn't like it and it was an unforceen exploitation of the "real world" physics when tennis was invented. There is just something not right about that.
The change wasn't made because someone had an itch to scratch. They changed it because it was a gimpy and lame thing to do.
Before the patch: Pro NBA -- only have to bounce the ball 3 times while running the length of the court.
After the patch: College ball -- no traveling permitted.
Yet, there are people out there who like to watch pro bball. Which is the problem with this patch. Some people like the way it worked before. It *IS* a subjective change...but it is id's perogative to "enforce" the rules.
If you can't figure out why these benchmarks don't fit your understanding of the world, then you don't know what preproduction on hardware terms really means...
I use my palm primarily to keep track of my bank accounts and to act as a log of sorts for my autos. I've started to use it to help manage shopping lists (it's very cool to have a list of stuff you get on a regular basis, mark stuff you want to buy and have a very close estimate of what you'll be spending before you walk into the grocery store).
And it has some VERY nice programs to do that too...
CE devices can't do those sort of things worth crap. They are handheld computers. Palm are handheld organizers. Two totally different classes of machines, and I can't see how people constantly try to compare the two as the functions they try to fill are nothing alike.
And for those that complain about the color unit sucking batteries... it isn't a real problem. So far I have yet to have the battery level drop below half. The one time it did was because I forgot to put it on the charging stand before I went to sleep about 5 days in a row. And that was because I was playing with a piece of software that lets your palm pretend to be a remote control and left it on the table (ie: it was on for several hours for each of those nights that I forgot to charge it)...
Interestingly, the P4 doesn't have outrageous cooling requirements because it runs hot, but because it is less tolerant of
heat.
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Hmm, interesting....an observation I was unaware of. If that's the case, they're gonna have one hell of a time trying to ramp that sucker to higher frequencies...
ok, you know how fuel cells work, right? Well, I guess by making your comment you don't...
Take hydrogen and oxygen and combine them together to make water and electricity.
If you remember from high school chemestry, you can take water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen using electricity.
Now, if you recall that you can't get more energy out of the system than you put in it, then you'd realize why you can't get the hydrogen from water.
In a best case scenereo, your net energy produced would be zero. But odds are you won't every reach that, and attempting to do so would cause you to lose energy.
Actually, Intel "fanatics" lambasted the power draw of the Athlon...
And many many people complained when their crappy Packard Bell 150watt power supply in their old computer wouldn't boot their shiney new Athlon...
The problem that people with the PIV isn't so much the wattage, it's the cooling requirements. My K7/500 w/the "stock" heatsink is cold to the touch while running. Power disappation isn't too big of a deal on it.
The P4 is requiring a freek'in copper core heatsink that needs a motherboard with support mounts to keep from cracking things. That isn't so good...
Be interesting to see if a peltier cooling type rigging would help that any....though I'm sure that'd devistate battery life.
Then again, you'd only have to use it to the extent needed for a specific length exposure...
Noise is always going to be something present when convering from an analog to digital media. It's just the way it works. As an interesting side note, if you get this "noise" on a long exposure, and resample the image so that you cut the size in half it is no longer visible; kinda like what you have to do when sampling sound and the like...you have to sample at 2x the frequency you really want to "hear" or it'll get lost.
Pretty impressive numbers considering that the benchmarks used an 'alpha' motherboard (rev 1) and the slowest possible DDR SDRAM available. AND it was being compared to the fastest rambus ram available and many many benchmarks which favor the PIII. Not only that, but the game benches were done using a card over the PCI bus (no AGP support was available yet).
Should be interesting to see the kind of bandwidth improvements provided by PC2100 DDR SDRAM (~133mhz clock).
It should also be interesting to see when support for PC2600 DDR SDRAM (~166mhz clock) becomes available and what kind of additional performance it will provide. I'm not entirely sure that support for this will be provided in the 760 chipset.
Just a matter of personal preference. Doing things outside of Photoshop is probably alot more fun for you than it would be for me;). There probably is a subtle difference to the effect obtained with film as well, due to the nature of the media.
There is one problem with long exposures (at least on my camera): They introduce noise. On my camera it isn't really noticable until you exceed 4 seconds, but if you hold the shudder open for 8 seconds there are several "specs" on the picture and it appears kind of grainy. But, the point is you can do it;). I'd be willing to wager more expensive models don't introduce that kind of noise either...$400 is near the bottom of the mid range for digital cameras these days.
Actually, the higher end inkjet printers are pretty damn close. If the black ink were as glossy as the colors you wouldn't be able to tell a difference. I think that the one I'm refering to here cost about $300.
There are also other printer tech out there (albiet, very expensive ones) that allow you to print in very, very nice color. DyeSub printers do a pretty nice job. In fact, there are version of the dyesub out there that print on 3x5" paper that arn't too shabby and won't burn a huge hole in your wallet.
Silver Haylide (I know I spelt it wrong, deal with it) printers are just damn impressive. They're also damn expensive. We call it the BAP where I work at...Big Ass Printer. I think those are made to order;).
The photos look slightly smudged on lots of digital cameras because the images are saved using jpegs. The one I own looks that way as well, unless I save it as a tiff. The 5mb tiff image produced is sharp as hell -- no blurry edges. I can get maybe 10 of those on a 32mb compact flash card...;)
There are also digital cameras out there that have attachments available. Albiet it's nothing super fancy like what you're talking about, but a wide angle/fisheye/telephoto lense can be added to the digital camera I own (Nikkon Coolpix 800).
Define a long exposure....if you mean hours and hours worth of exposure time, yeah -- that'll be awhile.
If you mean like 8 seconds, not a problem with todays cameras.
Multiple exposures are "easy" to do post production with a digital camera. Use photoshop or gimp or your other favorite photo editing application which has something resembling layers. Easy as pie.
Over/under exposing can also be done with digital cameras today, in some extent at any rate.
Mine does all of these. It only cost $400 6 months ago (which means it's even cheaper to get now).
You missed one thing. Rolls of film also cost money, bringing you to about $5/roll to use/develop film.
Digital Cameras, to me, are great because of the
instant feedback -- I know how the picture I just took will look.
Not only that but there are no film costs... this means that I can PLAY with the camera without having to worry about how much that playtime is gonna cost me. If i want to take a picture of a freek'in lightbulb from various angles just to see how it'd turn out I can without having to think to myself "man, there's $5 down the tubes". Recently I made an attempt to capture lightning on "film" during a storm that had a TON of lightning flailing about. I took about 400 pictures with my camera. That would cost around $60 to do. Not a small amount of change by any means, and something I would not have attempted with a normal film camera.
Of course, if I actually wanted to print those pictures out...well, then it's more expensive. (but of those 400 pictures, I got about 10 worth printing;)).
Is anyone else here disturbed by the attitude that is generally going around these days? More specificially, the attitutude that says "you don't own anything" rather everything you have MUST belong (in some intellectual sense) to someone else?
Have any of these arrogant boneheads thought that perhaps ways of sharing files might, you know, have a purpose OTHER than giving away their crap that they can't sell?
What's next? Someone gonna sue the makers of Hotline? What about the collection of people who wrote the first FTP servers/clients? How about the people who made it possible to transfer files over Usenet; maybe the guys who made it possible to tranfer files via IRC. Damn, I can find all sorts of Warez on the web, sue the guys who worked on Apache! Dangit, AFS and NFS have to go too, as does every bastardized home network protocol Novel and MS cameup with.
Oh I love this one..........wait... wait... wait for it...
You don't think intel is going through AMD processors trying to find some sort of huge bug right now to use to their advantage? ROFL...they havn't found one yet.
So someone that is walking back and forth over a crosswalk is not a pedestrian?
Hijacking public assets....so if I refuse to leave a park area after I have my picknick to lounge around should be illegal?
"Public assets" belong to the public. To assume that one person or a set of people should not be allowed to make use of it is ludicrous.
I understand where you are coming from, but with your interpretation a citizens right to protest and assemble is restricted to private property, which is WRONG.
All processors were connected through a 64bit bus.
Each processor was independent of the other -- ie: it was an SMP like system. The people who knew how to program the system generally turned OFF the 68k (because of the way it controlled the bus (could only transfer 16bits at a time; nothing else could hit the bus while it was xfering data; bascially killed system performance); finally a use for the HALT instruction;).
The clock speed of everything in the system wasn't spectacular though. I think everything was slower than 20mhz. It was still good enough to do doom better than most 486's could (think back to 1996; P90's I believe were the high end gotta pay $4000 for one machines).
It was a very cool system; the games for it blew everything else at the time out of the water (well, the good games like t2k, AvP, and such;)). It's a shame that the mismanagement of Atari caused it to flop so bad.
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Why do we have so much bandwidth in the L1 and L2 cache? Because if you have data in it, hitting it, things are much MUCH faster than hitting main memory.
Just because the memory talks to the chipset at 100 or 133mhz doesn't mean that the chipset talks to the cpu at that speed. In fact, that's one of the things that makes the EV6 bus design so flippin cool. The chipset on the K7 talks to the CPU at an effective 200 or 266mhz. Lots of bandwidth.
Really neat idea.
;)
L3 cache integrated into the chipset. Except it doesn't really COST anything, because it's only taking up what used to be wasted space!
And in the process they cut L3 latencies (off the norm anyway) by 50% and are sending back to the CPU hella bandwidth.
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I want.
Give! Sorry, tech widthdrawl...I'll get over it in an hour or two
SSE was Intel's hacktogether response to 3DNow.
It's a clone in the same respect that AMD's CPU's are clones of Intels, or HP's pc's are clones of IBM's.
Who is to say that it goes against the spirit of the game?
The guys who made the game. If you think there is someone else out there who is in a better position to make that kind of judgement, by all means get them to back your side...
That's like after 20 years of tennis they ban slicing because somebody doesn't like it and it was an unforceen exploitation of the "real world" physics when tennis was invented. There is just something not right about that.
The change wasn't made because someone had an itch to scratch. They changed it because it was a gimpy and lame thing to do.
Before the patch: Pro NBA -- only have to bounce the ball 3 times while running the length of the court.
After the patch: College ball -- no traveling permitted.
Yet, there are people out there who like to watch pro bball. Which is the problem with this patch. Some people like the way it worked before. It *IS* a subjective change...but it is id's perogative to "enforce" the rules.
If you can't figure out why these benchmarks don't fit your understanding of the world, then you don't know what preproduction on hardware terms really means...
I use my palm primarily to keep track of my bank accounts and to act as a log of sorts for my autos. I've started to use it to help manage shopping lists (it's very cool to have a list of stuff you get on a regular basis, mark stuff you want to buy and have a very close estimate of what you'll be spending before you walk into the grocery store).
And it has some VERY nice programs to do that too...
CE devices can't do those sort of things worth crap. They are handheld computers. Palm are handheld organizers. Two totally different classes of machines, and I can't see how people constantly try to compare the two as the functions they try to fill are nothing alike.
And for those that complain about the color unit sucking batteries... it isn't a real problem. So far I have yet to have the battery level drop below half. The one time it did was because I forgot to put it on the charging stand before I went to sleep about 5 days in a row. And that was because I was playing with a piece of software that lets your palm pretend to be a remote control and left it on the table (ie: it was on for several hours for each of those nights that I forgot to charge it)...
Interestingly, the P4 doesn't have outrageous cooling requirements because it runs hot, but because it is less tolerant of
heat.
</QUOTE>
Hmm, interesting....an observation I was unaware of. If that's the case, they're gonna have one hell of a time trying to ramp that sucker to higher frequencies...
ok, you know how fuel cells work, right? Well, I guess by making your comment you don't...
Take hydrogen and oxygen and combine them together to make water and electricity.
If you remember from high school chemestry, you can take water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen using electricity.
Now, if you recall that you can't get more energy out of the system than you put in it, then you'd realize why you can't get the hydrogen from water.
In a best case scenereo, your net energy produced would be zero. But odds are you won't every reach that, and attempting to do so would cause you to lose energy.
What are you smoking?
Electricity (for me) is $125 a month!
That's alot of dough every year.
You sure you arn't getting natural gas confused w/heating oil?
Hell, my av equipment could do that.....
(on the 3rd power strip......)
Actually, I think what people want more is a FP unit that isn't stack based....(ie: slow as hell)
Actually, Intel "fanatics" lambasted the power draw of the Athlon...
And many many people complained when their crappy Packard Bell 150watt power supply in their old computer wouldn't boot their shiney new Athlon...
The problem that people with the PIV isn't so much the wattage, it's the cooling requirements. My K7/500 w/the "stock" heatsink is cold to the touch while running. Power disappation isn't too big of a deal on it.
The P4 is requiring a freek'in copper core heatsink that needs a motherboard with support mounts to keep from cracking things. That isn't so good...
Be interesting to see if a peltier cooling type rigging would help that any....though I'm sure that'd devistate battery life.
Then again, you'd only have to use it to the extent needed for a specific length exposure...
Noise is always going to be something present when convering from an analog to digital media. It's just the way it works. As an interesting side note, if you get this "noise" on a long exposure, and resample the image so that you cut the size in half it is no longer visible; kinda like what you have to do when sampling sound and the like...you have to sample at 2x the frequency you really want to "hear" or it'll get lost.
Pretty impressive numbers considering that the benchmarks used an 'alpha' motherboard (rev 1) and the slowest possible DDR SDRAM available. AND it was being compared to the fastest rambus ram available and many many benchmarks which favor the PIII. Not only that, but the game benches were done using a card over the PCI bus (no AGP support was available yet).
Should be interesting to see the kind of bandwidth improvements provided by PC2100 DDR SDRAM (~133mhz clock).
It should also be interesting to see when support for PC2600 DDR SDRAM (~166mhz clock) becomes available and what kind of additional performance it will provide. I'm not entirely sure that support for this will be provided in the 760 chipset.
Luddite? :)
;). There probably is a subtle difference to the effect obtained with film as well, due to the nature of the media.
;). I'd be willing to wager more expensive models don't introduce that kind of noise either...$400 is near the bottom of the mid range for digital cameras these days.
Just a matter of personal preference. Doing things outside of Photoshop is probably alot more fun for you than it would be for me
There is one problem with long exposures (at least on my camera): They introduce noise. On my camera it isn't really noticable until you exceed 4 seconds, but if you hold the shudder open for 8 seconds there are several "specs" on the picture and it appears kind of grainy. But, the point is you can do it
Actually, the higher end inkjet printers are pretty damn close. If the black ink were as glossy as the colors you wouldn't be able to tell a difference. I think that the one I'm refering to here cost about $300.
;).
... ;)
There are also other printer tech out there (albiet, very expensive ones) that allow you to print in very, very nice color. DyeSub printers do a pretty nice job. In fact, there are version of the dyesub out there that print on 3x5" paper that arn't too shabby and won't burn a huge hole in your wallet.
Silver Haylide (I know I spelt it wrong, deal with it) printers are just damn impressive. They're also damn expensive. We call it the BAP where I work at...Big Ass Printer. I think those are made to order
The photos look slightly smudged on lots of digital cameras because the images are saved using jpegs. The one I own looks that way as well, unless I save it as a tiff. The 5mb tiff image produced is sharp as hell -- no blurry edges. I can get maybe 10 of those on a 32mb compact flash card
There are also digital cameras out there that have attachments available. Albiet it's nothing super fancy like what you're talking about, but a wide angle/fisheye/telephoto lense can be added to the digital camera I own (Nikkon Coolpix 800).
Define a long exposure....if you mean hours and hours worth of exposure time, yeah -- that'll be awhile.
If you mean like 8 seconds, not a problem with todays cameras.
Multiple exposures are "easy" to do post production with a digital camera. Use photoshop or gimp or your other favorite photo editing application which has something resembling layers. Easy as pie.
Over/under exposing can also be done with digital cameras today, in some extent at any rate.
Mine does all of these. It only cost $400 6 months ago (which means it's even cheaper to get now).
You missed one thing. Rolls of film also cost money, bringing you to about $5/roll to use/develop film.
... this means that I can PLAY with the camera without having to worry about how much that playtime is gonna cost me. If i want to take a picture of a freek'in lightbulb from various angles just to see how it'd turn out I can without having to think to myself "man, there's $5 down the tubes". Recently I made an attempt to capture lightning on "film" during a storm that had a TON of lightning flailing about. I took about 400 pictures with my camera. That would cost around $60 to do. Not a small amount of change by any means, and something I would not have attempted with a normal film camera.
;)).
Digital Cameras, to me, are great because of the
instant feedback -- I know how the picture I just took will look.
Not only that but there are no film costs
Of course, if I actually wanted to print those pictures out...well, then it's more expensive. (but of those 400 pictures, I got about 10 worth printing
You missed the point........
1600x1200 is a common resolution, but how many monitors will actually do 1600x*1400*?
And what games support such an odd resolution?
For those who don't know what H2SO4 is....it is Sulfuric Acid.
Is anyone else here disturbed by the attitude that is generally going around these days? More specificially, the attitutude that says "you don't own anything" rather everything you have MUST belong (in some intellectual sense) to someone else?
Have any of these arrogant boneheads thought that perhaps ways of sharing files might, you know, have a purpose OTHER than giving away their crap that they can't sell?
What's next? Someone gonna sue the makers of Hotline? What about the collection of people who wrote the first FTP servers/clients? How about the people who made it possible to transfer files over Usenet; maybe the guys who made it possible to tranfer files via IRC. Damn, I can find all sorts of Warez on the web, sue the guys who worked on Apache! Dangit, AFS and NFS have to go too, as does every bastardized home network protocol Novel and MS cameup with.
ARG. I hate stupid people. I really really do.
Oh I love this one..........wait ... wait ... wait for it...
You don't think intel is going through AMD processors trying to find some sort of huge bug right now to use to their advantage? ROFL...they havn't found one yet.
So someone that is walking back and forth over a crosswalk is not a pedestrian?
Hijacking public assets....so if I refuse to leave a park area after I have my picknick to lounge around should be illegal?
"Public assets" belong to the public. To assume that one person or a set of people should not be allowed to make use of it is ludicrous.
I understand where you are coming from, but with your interpretation a citizens right to protest and assemble is restricted to private property, which is WRONG.
Actually, the system specs for the jaguar were:
;).
;)). It's a shame that the mismanagement of Atari caused it to flop so bad.
1 64bit GPU
1 64bit Blitter
1 32bit DSP
1 16bit Motorolla 68k
It had 2 megs of ram.
All processors were connected through a 64bit bus.
Each processor was independent of the other -- ie: it was an SMP like system. The people who knew how to program the system generally turned OFF the 68k (because of the way it controlled the bus (could only transfer 16bits at a time; nothing else could hit the bus while it was xfering data; bascially killed system performance); finally a use for the HALT instruction
The clock speed of everything in the system wasn't spectacular though. I think everything was slower than 20mhz. It was still good enough to do doom better than most 486's could (think back to 1996; P90's I believe were the high end gotta pay $4000 for one machines).
It was a very cool system; the games for it blew everything else at the time out of the water (well, the good games like t2k, AvP, and such