Of course, in case you didn't know they're actually a SCO daughter company and their strategy blueprients are created by runing a sophisticated search-and-replace macro on SCO's Word documents!
What the hell are you talking about? WTF are they supposed to do? Give Half Life away and sell support?
Of course they should be able to sue ass off people who violate their licensing terms.
If anyone doesn't like to pay for the license, they can download a free Tetris, buy some other game or whatever. Who cares?
Social skills? What's that? It doesn't mean they exist only in person-to-person communication. Take a look at: http://www.psc.uc.edu/sh/SH_Social_Skills.htm
You'll see that by their definition people who live their lives online do have social skills.
Also the page says that "a failure to learn adequate social skills can lead to feelings of isolation, loneliness, rejection, and poor self-esteem."
I think most people involved in open source projects actually feel the opposite because of the sense of joint achievement. And while online I don't see as much greed, discrimination, envy and other bad things that I see daily in my offline life.
From my perspective, online life and most communities are actually healthier than real life that you consider the standard by which you judge others.
I know what you mean and to a large extent I agree with you. I was not proposing that Windows is "better" or secure, my point was focused on the fact that any standardization is understandable from the management perspective. Today maybe it's Windows, tomorrow perhaps Linux - no matter what OS, I believe companies will always tend to standardize.
0-day exploit - imagine a zero day exploit on all architectures and operaring systems (say, a serious Java exploit)... It would definitively take more time to download fix more platforms and OS'es than one.
For example x years ago people would download many Linux distributions but now enterprises use very few - those few that have built good reputation.
So if we started with x open source journals, within 2-3 years several good ones would take lead. It's just that money would be out of the game.
Actually somewhere I read about this search engine that specializes in searching thru electronic scientific papers and journals - many customers pay lot of money 'cause thats the real value - find everything you need in 10th of time you'd need to the same on Google.
>The attitude of "One Military One Operating System" still rings through those halls
Of course - because it's easier to maintain and secure (even if the software itself isn't more secure than average software out there).
1) If a vulnerability is discovered (like with IE today), they can, for example, use Microsoft or 3rd party admin tools to disable ActiveX scripting on all browsers organization-wide. Compare this to having 20 different browsers - not to mention the effort neccessary to manage them, there could still be the 21st kind with security holes that noone knows about.
2) If a multitude of OS/browsers/apps is used, it's practically impossible to keep everything up to date and have enough skilled people to keep it all in order.
Oh yeeeeaaah, I've seen those in action - quite slow - 40MB/sec per channel - the way of SATA... I think they'd be painfully slow for email, especially Qmail/Postfix type that uses the Maildir format.
Yes, they're easy to administer and have nice blue LEDs.
I've been selling software for over a year without using a notebook and any brochures - I'd just talk to the customer, later I'd email them a URL to see screenshots or try the product if they wanted to. Now that I've started using a notebook, I can do some things right on the spot while still with the customer, but I prefer to minimize time I spend on showing off fancy presentations because listening and talking without a pre-set pattern of slides seems to be more effective.
For some services/products I believe good presentations are all it takes, though. It depends on what you're trying to sell...
>A better idea would be to write a script to go through each user's mailboxes every month, export any old emails to text, store the files on a server that uses a journaling filesystem, index the emails, and compress them.
No file system will save you from multiple HDD failures; they should save old (>12 months) data to DVD burners and/or tapes or cheap SATA storage. One can buy 1TB of external SATA space for couple thousand dollars.
>One or two XServe G5s could do the trick quite well.
What do XServe boxes have to do with generic application like email? Besides, they're more expensive than comparable Intel+Linux servers (especially considering the fact that CPU perormance is unimportant for most mail servers).
>typo in the command line Sounds like UNIX to me:-)
Several months ago I lost about 200MB of my old email when moving it from one IMAP folder to another (why the command line instead of IMAP client? it's faster and superior to client-side operation, I thought). It was also a single ASCII typo.
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>We were developing terrain visualisation systems that required a certain, known amount of RAM, about 400MB, so we bought 512MB systems, which is more than enough to hold both our application and the OS without ever so much as touching the swap file.
Congratulation - you can safely disable your swap file!
Yeah he may be a troll. But just look at the list you've created - no wonder many enterprises can't be bothered, so in a sense yes, Microsoft's ahead because their stuff is integrated more than Linux.
Having some hands-on experience with Linux, if I were a decision maker, I'd prefer to shell out some money for commercial security software rather than have someone mess with 10 different open source projects. Integrating them, keeping them up-to-date and documenting everything is painful and expensive.
I use some of the apps from the list, that's how I know it's not at all "rpm -i"
They ain't embracing shit - they just want to screw up Microsoft.
How can anyone expect from an enterprise to embrace Linux or any idea/project/product for purposes other than profit? I'm not talking about campaign-style announcements here, but about real direction shifts for a company. And even if this wasn't true - just look at Larry - that guy is a sore loser and can't ever forgive himself being No. 2.
BTW, consider purchasing cost of the following two combos: o Win2K + SQL Server 2000 o Linux + Oracle 9i
One pays a bit less for Linux OS (actually maybe not now that you have to buy an Enterprise version), but more for Oracle, whereas SQL Server is cheaper.
Also consider that Oracle won't support you if you don't have a valid maintenance agreement for the underlying Linux so after all, even after Oracle's switch to Linux it won't help them very much - SQL on Windows will continue to be a more attractive solution for the average mid-size company.
>They postulate that to replace our fossil fuel usage it would take only a total of a little over ten thousand square miles, which could fit in an area like the Sonora Desert."
I propose that households with with swimming pools be legally obliged to turn them into diesel production farms with adjecent micro power-plants and resell surplus power to neighborhood households.
Do you need an expansion slot for an on-board graphics chip?
Most Intel-based servers have ServerWorks chipset and ATI RageWhatever on-board (and 1 or 2 GbE on board) so you need one expansion slot (Myrinet or Infiniband card) and at most one more for something else).
In a way that was insightful, but then again the whole thing of Linux-related sales is kind of shaky - it could as well be categorized as "no OS sales". If you think of it, when IBM sells an x345, it's just a piece of hardware (maybe the reseller installed FTP version of Gentoo, maybe the customer bought RH, but in either case, it's nothing to do with IBM). The whole value-added thing is kind of fuzzy - what value added one needs from IBM? Because they're big, they're meticulous and conservative and slow (in approving new drivers, etc.) so for things like that one doesn't really need that kind of consulting - in my experience as far as commercial software goes, I consult the app's readme/release notes and head to google.com for the rest. Problems I and others can't solve by myself need developer-level attention for which IBM charges $200/hour (or more) - again, not exactly the best way for most companies.
When HP and IBM compete for Linux business, they cut price of their h/w and services, but Linux, being near-free (or sold by a distribution, not IBM and HP themselves) cannot be considered a factor in sale. Compared with Windows-related sale, Linux-related business is like selling without sales tax/VAT.
1) I pay rent and the loss in usable space would cost me abut 7 dollars a month. 2) I can't stand the noise of my new PC, not to mention of an old 486 box. It probably also releases sizable amount of heat (no ACPI) and requires some extra air-conditioning. 3) As someone already mentioned on this page, the extra box is about 1-2 dollars a month.
All in all, it's about 10 bucks a month in extra expenses. Screw that.
You can script config changes using WMI or other scripting tools, you can use MS or 3rd party deployment/provisioning tools, you can use shareware that does "VNC to multiple nodes" (or record GUI macros), and I'm sure this isn't even half the ways things can be automated.
(Oh, I forgot the edit command - it works for some config files - the hosts file, for example).
I think I've read somewhere about MS planning a CLI-only Windows server (perhaps the embedded or some weird OEM version). Actually that'd be cool but I must admit typing in Windows console is nowere as easy as in Bash.
>The descision to standardise on a homegrown Linux platform was as much to do with flakey and inconsistent chinese langauge support on other platforms as it was about saving money.
That's incorrect. Before Red Flag release their first release, Turbolinux had pretty complete Chinese support on their distribution v.6 (Y2000, probably even before that).
And if I remember correct, Red Flag's localization (input system, etc.) isn't homegrown but was taken from GPL code submitted by Turbolinux and other companies.
Turbolinux was the first to support "the Chinese version of Unicode 2" (talk about China and international standards!) and I18N standards for Linux localization v. 6.5
I would even say that Red Flag owe their success mostly because of their political connections.
>Good question. I would think that 100,000 emails is really not a lot, even for 20 low-end PCs.
I'm sure that's not the point - it's easy to deliver 100K mails, but the problem is that you've got to manually check for false positives and un-mark them as good email.
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Of course, in case you didn't know they're actually a SCO daughter company and their strategy blueprients are created by runing a sophisticated search-and-replace macro on SCO's Word documents!
What the hell are you talking about?
WTF are they supposed to do?
Give Half Life away and sell support?
Of course they should be able to sue ass off people who violate their licensing terms.
If anyone doesn't like to pay for the license, they can download a free Tetris, buy some other game or whatever. Who cares?
I consider this the most amazing fact:
:-)
"For example, there are no developers from India, mainland China or Islamic countries."
I thought China was among leaders (at least they talk a lot). And also the software power - India - is that possible?
I guess it tells a lot about Linux - it's not _easy_ to live off it - only folks from well off countries can afford to donate code
>I've met plenty of women who blow me away
... oh well...
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I still do but lately
>nerdy males with fewer social skills
Social skills? What's that? It doesn't mean they exist only in person-to-person communication.
Take a look at:
http://www.psc.uc.edu/sh/SH_Social_Skills.ht
You'll see that by their definition people who live their lives online do have social skills.
Also the page says that "a failure to learn adequate social skills can lead to feelings of isolation, loneliness, rejection, and poor self-esteem."
I think most people involved in open source projects actually feel the opposite because of the sense of joint achievement. And while online I don't see as much greed, discrimination, envy and other bad things that I see daily in my offline life.
From my perspective, online life and most communities are actually healthier than real life that you consider the standard by which you judge others.
I know what you mean and to a large extent I agree with you.
I was not proposing that Windows is "better" or secure, my point was focused on the fact that any standardization is understandable from the management perspective. Today maybe it's Windows, tomorrow perhaps Linux - no matter what OS, I believe companies will always tend to standardize.
0-day exploit - imagine a zero day exploit on all architectures and operaring systems (say, a serious Java exploit)... It would definitively take more time to download fix more platforms and OS'es than one.
Reputation is important but it can built.
For example x years ago people would download many Linux distributions but now enterprises use very few - those few that have built good reputation.
So if we started with x open source journals, within 2-3 years several good ones would take lead. It's just that money would be out of the game.
Actually somewhere I read about this search engine that specializes in searching thru electronic scientific papers and journals - many customers pay lot of money 'cause thats the real value - find everything you need in 10th of time you'd need to the same on Google.
>The attitude of "One Military One Operating System" still rings through those halls
Of course - because it's easier to maintain and secure (even if the software itself isn't more secure than average software out there).
1) If a vulnerability is discovered (like with IE today), they can, for example, use Microsoft or 3rd party admin tools to disable ActiveX scripting on all browsers organization-wide.
Compare this to having 20 different browsers - not to mention the effort neccessary to manage them, there could still be the 21st kind with security holes that noone knows about.
2) If a multitude of OS/browsers/apps is used, it's practically impossible to keep everything up to date and have enough skilled people to keep it all in order.
>I couldnt find SCO in there
They're represented in credits by Linux Torvalds
Oh yeeeeaaah, I've seen those in action - quite slow - 40MB/sec per channel - the way of SATA...
I think they'd be painfully slow for email, especially Qmail/Postfix type that uses the Maildir format.
Yes, they're easy to administer and have nice blue LEDs.
I've been selling software for over a year without using a notebook and any brochures - I'd just talk to the customer, later I'd email them a URL to see screenshots or try the product if they wanted to.
Now that I've started using a notebook, I can do some things right on the spot while still with the customer, but I prefer to minimize time I spend on showing off fancy presentations because listening and talking without a pre-set pattern of slides seems to be more effective.
For some services/products I believe good presentations are all it takes, though. It depends on what you're trying to sell...
>A better idea would be to write a script to go through each user's mailboxes every month, export any old emails to text, store the files on a server that uses a journaling filesystem, index the emails, and compress them.
No file system will save you from multiple HDD failures; they should save old (>12 months) data to DVD burners and/or tapes or cheap SATA storage. One can buy 1TB of external SATA space for couple thousand dollars.
>One or two XServe G5s could do the trick quite well.
What do XServe boxes have to do with generic application like email? Besides, they're more expensive than comparable Intel+Linux servers (especially considering the fact that CPU perormance is unimportant for most mail servers).
>typo in the command line :-)
Sounds like UNIX to me
Several months ago I lost about 200MB of my old email when moving it from one IMAP folder to another (why the command line instead of IMAP client? it's faster and superior to client-side operation, I thought).
It was also a single ASCII typo.
>We were developing terrain visualisation systems that required a certain, known amount of RAM, about 400MB, so we bought 512MB systems, which is more than enough to hold both our application and the OS without ever so much as touching the swap file.
Congratulation - you can safely disable your swap file!
> there's also the (abandoned) FreeS/WAN project
Yeah he may be a troll. But just look at the list you've created - no wonder many enterprises can't be bothered, so in a sense yes, Microsoft's ahead because their stuff is integrated more than Linux.
Having some hands-on experience with Linux, if I were a decision maker, I'd prefer to shell out some money for commercial security software rather than have someone mess with 10 different open source projects. Integrating them, keeping them up-to-date and documenting everything is painful and expensive.
I use some of the apps from the list, that's how I know it's not at all "rpm -i"
They ain't embracing shit - they just want to screw up Microsoft.
How can anyone expect from an enterprise to embrace Linux or any idea/project/product for purposes other than profit?
I'm not talking about campaign-style announcements here, but about real direction shifts for a company.
And even if this wasn't true - just look at Larry - that guy is a sore loser and can't ever forgive himself being No. 2.
BTW, consider purchasing cost of the following two combos:
o Win2K + SQL Server 2000
o Linux + Oracle 9i
One pays a bit less for Linux OS (actually maybe not now that you have to buy an Enterprise version), but more for Oracle, whereas SQL Server is cheaper.
Also consider that Oracle won't support you if you don't have a valid maintenance agreement for the underlying Linux so after all, even after Oracle's switch to Linux it won't help them very much - SQL on Windows will continue to be a more attractive solution for the average mid-size company.
Oracle's switch doesn't really matter that much.
>Of course, he's just some greedy bastard
:-)
That's probably true - after all, he worked for Red Hat
Then again, greed is legal.
>They postulate that to replace our fossil fuel usage it would take only a total of a little over ten thousand square miles, which could fit in an area like the Sonora Desert."
I propose that households with with swimming pools be legally obliged to turn them into diesel production farms with adjecent micro power-plants and resell surplus power to neighborhood households.
Do you need an expansion slot for an on-board graphics chip?
Most Intel-based servers have ServerWorks chipset and ATI RageWhatever on-board (and 1 or 2 GbE on board) so you need one expansion slot (Myrinet or Infiniband card) and at most one more for something else).
In a way that was insightful, but then again the whole thing of Linux-related sales is kind of shaky - it could as well be categorized as "no OS sales".
If you think of it, when IBM sells an x345, it's just a piece of hardware (maybe the reseller installed FTP version of Gentoo, maybe the customer bought RH, but in either case, it's nothing to do with IBM).
The whole value-added thing is kind of fuzzy - what value added one needs from IBM? Because they're big, they're meticulous and conservative and slow (in approving new drivers, etc.) so for things like that one doesn't really need that kind of consulting - in my experience as far as commercial software goes, I consult the app's readme/release notes and head to google.com for the rest. Problems I and others can't solve by myself need developer-level attention for which IBM charges $200/hour (or more) - again, not exactly the best way for most companies.
When HP and IBM compete for Linux business, they cut price of their h/w and services, but Linux, being near-free (or sold by a distribution, not IBM and HP themselves) cannot be considered a factor in sale. Compared with Windows-related sale, Linux-related business is like selling without sales tax/VAT.
Bullshit.
1) I pay rent and the loss in usable space would cost me abut 7 dollars a month.
2) I can't stand the noise of my new PC, not to mention of an old 486 box. It probably also releases sizable amount of heat (no ACPI) and requires some extra air-conditioning.
3) As someone already mentioned on this page, the extra box is about 1-2 dollars a month.
All in all, it's about 10 bucks a month in extra expenses. Screw that.
> a tremendous waste of money.
What? Most server focused h/w have shitty on-board graphics chips that cost under 10 bucks per server. 16 nodes, 160 dollars - next to nothing.
> OS will allow you to do a network install on a headless machine. No idea about windows though.
Available from Microsoft and others.
That is not true.
You can script config changes using WMI or other scripting tools, you can use MS or 3rd party deployment/provisioning tools, you can use shareware that does "VNC to multiple nodes" (or record GUI macros), and I'm sure this isn't even half the ways things can be automated.
(Oh, I forgot the edit command - it works for some config files - the hosts file, for example).
Thanks for the update, that's been extremely insightful.
Mod him offtopic.
I think I've read somewhere about MS planning a CLI-only Windows server (perhaps the embedded or some weird OEM version).
Actually that'd be cool but I must admit typing in Windows console is nowere as easy as in Bash.
>The descision to standardise on a homegrown Linux platform was as much to do with flakey and inconsistent chinese langauge support on other platforms as it was about saving money.
That's incorrect.
Before Red Flag release their first release, Turbolinux had pretty complete Chinese support on their distribution v.6 (Y2000, probably even before that).
And if I remember correct, Red Flag's localization (input system, etc.) isn't homegrown but was taken from GPL code submitted by Turbolinux and other companies.
Turbolinux was the first to support "the Chinese version of Unicode 2" (talk about China and international standards!) and I18N standards for Linux localization v. 6.5
I would even say that Red Flag owe their success mostly because of their political connections.
>Good question. I would think that 100,000 emails is really not a lot, even for 20 low-end PCs.
I'm sure that's not the point - it's easy to deliver 100K mails, but the problem is that you've got to manually check for false positives and un-mark them as good email.