those of us LEFT BEHIND
Here's to hoping that a large swath of the population gets sucked up into the sky. Then it wont really be a problem... There will suddenly be much fewer people riding around in Expeditions and H2's.
I just had to point that out;) No argument against you. Every discussion along these lines inevitably leads to assertions which assume free will.
It would be equally ridiculous for a God to judge us based on our actions as it would be to judge us based on our acceptance of his dead kid as our saviour. If God created us, he made us the way we are: beings, of which some make bad decisions, regardless of whether we are deterministic or have Free Will. Given the available choices to reject his son or be evil or whatever else have you, wouldn't he have to assume that some of us would make the "wrong" choice? What is the point then? God knew he would have to condemn people into a lake of fire and thus created us anyway (what a swell guy!). And we're supposed to believe that Jesus loves us? Its all bollocks if you ask me.
I beg to differ. Any god would be a determinist, an "aw, fuck it" kind of guy/gal. Anything you do is inconsequential and beyond the purview of any concept of "free will" ergo why would he/she care about anyone's "actions and the intentions behind them"?
These things are created, mind you, after it has been approved by both houses and the Excutive, a la Medicare. Seems they were allowed to deal with health care in that case. BWT: They really should implement something to allow editing your own comments, so stuff can be added in case you need to clarify a point. How the fuck hard can it be?
Lack of a specific enumeration within the Constitution hasn't stopped them before. What's your point? Take your pick of any 3-letter organization that isn't a cabinet position and you will find a bureaucracy created by the Congress via non-enumerated or implied powers.
Yeah, fuck those god damned developers for writing all of this code and progressing computing. You know, cuz like hardware hasn't gone anywhere since the floppy days... those feature whores!
The 'illegal justice system' in the US is among the best legal systems in the world, its the people running the show AND the front liners that are not educated properly in the laws of the land (or justify their actions with cognitive dissonance and should be taken to task for it).
Any justice system that allows "front liners that are not educated properly in the laws of the land" to administer itself is a broken justice system. The best? Hah! I oughta sue you for speaking bull.
I hardly said anything at all, I simply pointed out the GP's implications; ergo, I am not oversimplifying anything. The only claim I made is that the GP should be careful of making statements regarding what he (and other gun owners) may or may not do in such a situation since it is highly unlikely that he or the vast majority of gun owners, for that matter, have ever faced a situation where they might be forced to act in such a manner. It is simply impossible to know how you or a generalized group of people will react in a given situation that you have yet to experience. I fail to see how your statement is relevant though I probably could have gone without that little barb (my apologies to the GP), but I was a bit frustrated with all of the armchair warriors with their claims that they would have been a hero had they been there.
Yes, and you know this because you've faced this situation before, right?
I don't shoot anyone for holding a gun
Yes, because in large-scale acts of random violence, its very easy for an amateur to differentiate between a plain-clothes civilian with a gun and a plain-clothes civilian gone mad with a gun... Especially when everyone is running around hysterically... Give me a break.
We can think as well as you can, and about the same things.
In a situation where bullets are flying, blood is spilling, people are screaming, and all hell is breaking lose? Yeah, I'm sure all gun owners can... Shit, why the hell does Uncle Sam spend millions of dollars training soldiers when he can pick up any gun-toting nut bag off the street?
The monkeys were also mindlessly pecking away a random. With a staff of scientists and engineers, you might publish random papers, but a language, a structure, and a thought process exists. I would wager that this structure alone would shave off many orders of magnitude in the time and the amount of monkeys needed to create something of value.
I don't really know that anybody's proven that a random collection of people doing their own thing actually creates value.
If a million monkeys randomly typing away on a million typewriters will eventually write Shakespear, I imagine that thousands of PhD's, post-grads, and other well-educated monkeys engaged in semi-random but structured projects, working on high-powered workstations will be able to deliver as well.
There's a flip side: Yes, IE would be secure for a year, but be insecure for over two consecutive years. I doubt the marketing group would approve such a strategy.
What, don't you know? Obscenity and other morally ambiguous hogwash are the very reasons those problems you've listed exist! Get a clue! McCain is a WAR HERO. What have you done?
1. Make baseless assertion relating morally ambiguous concept to current social and political woes. 2. Appeal to an authority who's expertise is not in the area of discussion. 3. Attack your opponent's character and credibility. 4. Receive Republican nomination for your cunning. 5. ??? 6. PROFIT!!! (Or win/steal election, same thing)
Err, whoops... Let me elaborate. Qt is not exactly analoguous of the nature of license agreement I had in mind, but the premise is close enough. Simply charge support for customers that want support and charge only for utilizing the application towards the development of a product. This will allow your source to be distributed freely to anyone that wants it. To use it to aid in the creation of product, good, or service that can be sold for compensation, namely for the purpose of receiving some monies, goods, or services in return, would require compensation to the developer. All other GPL stipulations still apply (if thats the license you'd like to use). The intended free distribution of the software as a GPL-protected source by commercial and non-commercial entities would be allowed. But, would the GPL actually be incompatible with this?
Saddam being tried and hung by the survivors of the atrocities he ordered.
And since when have we ever allowed that to be the case, except here?
Kosovo? The Hague The Nazis? Nuremburg
Two groups, arguable a million and a half times worse than Saddam and his guys could ever dream to be and yet we don't just throw them to the inmates in the asylums that they ran. They were given fair trials despite being animals.
especially since defense is a federal responsibility under the Constitution, as opposed to education and social security.
Then why in fucks sake do we have a cabinet office of the Department of Education and why does the government take money out of my paycheck to pay for social security? Sounds like it is their responsibility. Can you explain the need to spend more on our military than pretty much every nation in the world, combined? Domination? Continued hegemony? Who the fuck are we? Oh, thats right... right about everything, thanks to guns, tanks, bombs and aircraft carriers. Shit, we should be spending even more money to ensure our correctness!
How about all of the people dead under his watch? Isn't that of more importance? This guy and his cohorts are directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people across the globe and you're concerned with costs and military equipment? Besides, the costs you've stated don't even begin to scratch the surface of the true fiscal damage these wars have caused. Do we not recall that those same cohorts supported Saddam in the 80s? If he deserves to die then do they not deserve to shoulder some of the guilt as well? Shit, how many people did Bush execute as governor of Texas? More than Saddam has been convicted of in this trial!
You have to really think like Rove to see that this was orchestrated. Rove likes to subtly couple concepts together (Iraq & 9/11 to name one) in order to rally their "base". Many in this base were dismayed by the fact that Bush Sr. did not get Saddam in '91 despite the superior execution of Gulf War 1 compared to the current debacle. To see now that chimpy finally got 'em would bring back some of the "base" that were dismayed by Saddam's previous escape from "justice".
But then again, to be Roveian implies a certain amount of saturation which a 3 day period before the elections will not provide. To be Roveian you would have had to have this verdict at least a month or two in advance and would have to drive this in to the national mindset via a barrage of political appearances linking this to a final vindication over past failures and link in peoples minds that a "terrorist dictator" has been brought to justice and is another "success" in the War on Terra. This tells me it either wasn't staged or that the staging was botched. And, the fact that Saddam was not brought to an international court for these crimes suggests that this was a circus court... everyone knows you can't get a fair trial in your homeland when the people and families you are accused of committing acts against are the ones charged with carrying out your trial! He should have been brought to the ICC. This verdict carries no weight with me whatsoever. His execution will be a travesty... think of the treasure trove of information we could get from him about our own crooks and their past crimes!
Whoooaaa... as soon as a picture of two people implies anything about nuclear technology or the acquisition of such technologies, then someone might take that seriously. As a picture of Albright and Kim Jong Il toasting each other, it proves only one thing: that at one point, the two of them clanged some glasses together at some political function. That sir, was a leap over the Pacific.
I'm under the impression that the Xorg folks did a lot of work to produce a noticeable speed-up. At my university, I have assembled a team with the hope that we can engineer a complete ssh/remote application package for our users who utilize Matlab, Femlab, Fidap and other X11 graphical programs on our higher-end Sun and Linux hardware. After looking at many of the windows-side X server solutions, the best, most efficient and fastest implementation came from none other than the Xorg package that comes with Cygwin. With this, I am able to run Firefox, through a secure ssh tunnel to my box at work (over my 10Mb cable modem) and it typically works at slightly less than native speeds (practically speaking). OpenOffice also works quite well as do our core apps mentioned above (As long as you are on a decent DSL line at the bare minimum). As you've said that much of your testing took place a couple of years ago, from my testing, it appears that much has changed. Compared to XWin32, Exceed or any other commercial solution, the Xorg/Cygwin route is many orders of magnitude more efficient in its implementation. Just thought you'd want to know.
I'm very well aware of the conditions in other countries and of government oppression. This statement does nothing to "invalidate" my views. You also refer to past problems. I find this suspect and am of the opinion that your "patriotism" has probably blinded you to the current problems and horrible mistakes made by this country in recent years. A benign dictatorial power like North Korea vs. a malignant, semi-dictatorial pariah like the US... Which is worse? Sure, the US has accomplished quite a lot in the last 200 years, but so did the Romans a couple millenia before, and the Greeks, and the Egyptians. I was almost certain that the typical "if you don't like it, leave!" was going to come out but I thank you for avoiding such silliness.
and another thing how many nations can you live in that allows as many opportunities for self advancement for those who are motivated enough at least.
This depends on your definition of self-advancement. It seems that in America, people have most commonly used (squandered) this opportunity to add a couple hundred pounds to their physique and surround themselves with meaningless material bullshit in order to exude "success" (among other things) to their peers. Those entertainment pieces where people are portrayed scaling cliff faces, mountain-biking through tough natural trails or bettering themselves through reading or further study are simply not indicative of the majority of Americans; even ones that "can" do such things. Sure, the opportunity exists, but the fact that it is not often realized makes the notion of "opportunity" rather illusory. Your putting a cute and pseudo-noble word in place for what is best described as yet another possibility. Many of these same self-advancement activities can be done in less than desireable countries as well. Or did you mean "to get rich"?
if you don't feel something for america thats your concern but I myself don't understand it
It's a piece of land coupled with an ideal that while significantly advanced for its time, is obviously riddled with flaws and in need of serious re-evaluation. It's a philosophy and I have learned that no one, no matter how certain they think they are of the truth, should be a die-hard adherent to any dogma especially to the point of "feeling" something for it: eventually you'll probably be proven wrong and your "feelings" will not allow you to cope with it. Feel something for your family, for your self, for your friends. Don't get wrapped up in ideologies (unless its your own... someone has to advance it, right?).
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those of us LEFT BEHIND Here's to hoping that a large swath of the population gets sucked up into the sky. Then it wont really be a problem... There will suddenly be much fewer people riding around in Expeditions and H2's.
Yes, this is who we have to live with over here. Woe is us! And this is why we're fucked. I can't wait to move...
I just had to point that out ;) No argument against you. Every discussion along these lines inevitably leads to assertions which assume free will.
It would be equally ridiculous for a God to judge us based on our actions as it would be to judge us based on our acceptance of his dead kid as our saviour. If God created us, he made us the way we are: beings, of which some make bad decisions, regardless of whether we are deterministic or have Free Will. Given the available choices to reject his son or be evil or whatever else have you, wouldn't he have to assume that some of us would make the "wrong" choice? What is the point then? God knew he would have to condemn people into a lake of fire and thus created us anyway (what a swell guy!). And we're supposed to believe that Jesus loves us? Its all bollocks if you ask me.
anything sweetened with high fructose corn syrup - poison
Is there any evidence to back this claim? There is a lot of fear mongering and very little science to back this. Care to elaborate?
I beg to differ. Any god would be a determinist, an "aw, fuck it" kind of guy/gal. Anything you do is inconsequential and beyond the purview of any concept of "free will" ergo why would he/she care about anyone's "actions and the intentions behind them"?
My logic in no way implies what you claim. Learn to read. Wikipedia: Implied Powers
These things are created, mind you, after it has been approved by both houses and the Excutive, a la Medicare. Seems they were allowed to deal with health care in that case. BWT: They really should implement something to allow editing your own comments, so stuff can be added in case you need to clarify a point. How the fuck hard can it be?
Lack of a specific enumeration within the Constitution hasn't stopped them before. What's your point? Take your pick of any 3-letter organization that isn't a cabinet position and you will find a bureaucracy created by the Congress via non-enumerated or implied powers.
Its legal, so get over it.
Yeah, fuck those god damned developers for writing all of this code and progressing computing. You know, cuz like hardware hasn't gone anywhere since the floppy days... those feature whores!
The 'illegal justice system' in the US is among the best legal systems in the world, its the people running the show AND the front liners that are not educated properly in the laws of the land (or justify their actions with cognitive dissonance and should be taken to task for it).
Any justice system that allows "front liners that are not educated properly in the laws of the land" to administer itself is a broken justice system. The best? Hah! I oughta sue you for speaking bull.
I hardly said anything at all, I simply pointed out the GP's implications; ergo, I am not oversimplifying anything. The only claim I made is that the GP should be careful of making statements regarding what he (and other gun owners) may or may not do in such a situation since it is highly unlikely that he or the vast majority of gun owners, for that matter, have ever faced a situation where they might be forced to act in such a manner. It is simply impossible to know how you or a generalized group of people will react in a given situation that you have yet to experience. I fail to see how your statement is relevant though I probably could have gone without that little barb (my apologies to the GP), but I was a bit frustrated with all of the armchair warriors with their claims that they would have been a hero had they been there.
Yes, and you know this because you've faced this situation before, right?
I don't shoot anyone for holding a gun
Yes, because in large-scale acts of random violence, its very easy for an amateur to differentiate between a plain-clothes civilian with a gun and a plain-clothes civilian gone mad with a gun... Especially when everyone is running around hysterically... Give me a break.
We can think as well as you can, and about the same things.
In a situation where bullets are flying, blood is spilling, people are screaming, and all hell is breaking lose? Yeah, I'm sure all gun owners can... Shit, why the hell does Uncle Sam spend millions of dollars training soldiers when he can pick up any gun-toting nut bag off the street?
Your over-simplifications betray your ignorance.
The monkeys were also mindlessly pecking away a random. With a staff of scientists and engineers, you might publish random papers, but a language, a structure, and a thought process exists. I would wager that this structure alone would shave off many orders of magnitude in the time and the amount of monkeys needed to create something of value.
I don't really know that anybody's proven that a random collection of people doing their own thing actually creates value.
If a million monkeys randomly typing away on a million typewriters will eventually write Shakespear, I imagine that thousands of PhD's, post-grads, and other well-educated monkeys engaged in semi-random but structured projects, working on high-powered workstations will be able to deliver as well.
There's even a proof!
The Infinite Monkey Theorem
Tachyon [http://jedi.ks.uiuc.edu/~johns/raytracer/]
Site may be down so look for mirrors.
There's a flip side: Yes, IE would be secure for a year, but be insecure for over two consecutive years. I doubt the marketing group would approve such a strategy.
What, don't you know? Obscenity and other morally ambiguous hogwash are the very reasons those problems you've listed exist! Get a clue! McCain is a WAR HERO. What have you done?
1. Make baseless assertion relating morally ambiguous concept to current social and political woes.
2. Appeal to an authority who's expertise is not in the area of discussion.
3. Attack your opponent's character and credibility.
4. Receive Republican nomination for your cunning.
5. ???
6. PROFIT!!! (Or win/steal election, same thing)
Good to know. Probably should have considered that before shooting off that idea ;)
Err, whoops... Let me elaborate. Qt is not exactly analoguous of the nature of license agreement I had in mind, but the premise is close enough. Simply charge support for customers that want support and charge only for utilizing the application towards the development of a product. This will allow your source to be distributed freely to anyone that wants it. To use it to aid in the creation of product, good, or service that can be sold for compensation, namely for the purpose of receiving some monies, goods, or services in return, would require compensation to the developer. All other GPL stipulations still apply (if thats the license you'd like to use). The intended free distribution of the software as a GPL-protected source by commercial and non-commercial entities would be allowed. But, would the GPL actually be incompatible with this?
Talk to these these guys.
Saddam being tried and hung by the survivors of the atrocities he ordered.
And since when have we ever allowed that to be the case, except here?
Kosovo? The Hague
The Nazis? Nuremburg
Two groups, arguable a million and a half times worse than Saddam and his guys could ever dream to be and yet we don't just throw them to the inmates in the asylums that they ran. They were given fair trials despite being animals.
especially since defense is a federal responsibility under the Constitution, as opposed to education and social security.
Then why in fucks sake do we have a cabinet office of the Department of Education and why does the government take money out of my paycheck to pay for social security? Sounds like it is their responsibility. Can you explain the need to spend more on our military than pretty much every nation in the world, combined? Domination? Continued hegemony? Who the fuck are we? Oh, thats right... right about everything, thanks to guns, tanks, bombs and aircraft carriers. Shit, we should be spending even more money to ensure our correctness!
How about all of the people dead under his watch? Isn't that of more importance? This guy and his cohorts are directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people across the globe and you're concerned with costs and military equipment? Besides, the costs you've stated don't even begin to scratch the surface of the true fiscal damage these wars have caused. Do we not recall that those same cohorts supported Saddam in the 80s? If he deserves to die then do they not deserve to shoulder some of the guilt as well? Shit, how many people did Bush execute as governor of Texas? More than Saddam has been convicted of in this trial!
You have to really think like Rove to see that this was orchestrated. Rove likes to subtly couple concepts together (Iraq & 9/11 to name one) in order to rally their "base". Many in this base were dismayed by the fact that Bush Sr. did not get Saddam in '91 despite the superior execution of Gulf War 1 compared to the current debacle. To see now that chimpy finally got 'em would bring back some of the "base" that were dismayed by Saddam's previous escape from "justice".
But then again, to be Roveian implies a certain amount of saturation which a 3 day period before the elections will not provide. To be Roveian you would have had to have this verdict at least a month or two in advance and would have to drive this in to the national mindset via a barrage of political appearances linking this to a final vindication over past failures and link in peoples minds that a "terrorist dictator" has been brought to justice and is another "success" in the War on Terra. This tells me it either wasn't staged or that the staging was botched. And, the fact that Saddam was not brought to an international court for these crimes suggests that this was a circus court... everyone knows you can't get a fair trial in your homeland when the people and families you are accused of committing acts against are the ones charged with carrying out your trial! He should have been brought to the ICC. This verdict carries no weight with me whatsoever. His execution will be a travesty... think of the treasure trove of information we could get from him about our own crooks and their past crimes!
Whoooaaa... as soon as a picture of two people implies anything about nuclear technology or the acquisition of such technologies, then someone might take that seriously. As a picture of Albright and Kim Jong Il toasting each other, it proves only one thing: that at one point, the two of them clanged some glasses together at some political function. That sir, was a leap over the Pacific.
I'm under the impression that the Xorg folks did a lot of work to produce a noticeable speed-up. At my university, I have assembled a team with the hope that we can engineer a complete ssh/remote application package for our users who utilize Matlab, Femlab, Fidap and other X11 graphical programs on our higher-end Sun and Linux hardware. After looking at many of the windows-side X server solutions, the best, most efficient and fastest implementation came from none other than the Xorg package that comes with Cygwin. With this, I am able to run Firefox, through a secure ssh tunnel to my box at work (over my 10Mb cable modem) and it typically works at slightly less than native speeds (practically speaking). OpenOffice also works quite well as do our core apps mentioned above (As long as you are on a decent DSL line at the bare minimum). As you've said that much of your testing took place a couple of years ago, from my testing, it appears that much has changed. Compared to XWin32, Exceed or any other commercial solution, the Xorg/Cygwin route is many orders of magnitude more efficient in its implementation. Just thought you'd want to know.
I'm very well aware of the conditions in other countries and of government oppression. This statement does nothing to "invalidate" my views. You also refer to past problems. I find this suspect and am of the opinion that your "patriotism" has probably blinded you to the current problems and horrible mistakes made by this country in recent years. A benign dictatorial power like North Korea vs. a malignant, semi-dictatorial pariah like the US... Which is worse? Sure, the US has accomplished quite a lot in the last 200 years, but so did the Romans a couple millenia before, and the Greeks, and the Egyptians. I was almost certain that the typical "if you don't like it, leave!" was going to come out but I thank you for avoiding such silliness.
and another thing how many nations can you live in that allows as many opportunities for self advancement for those who are motivated enough at least.
This depends on your definition of self-advancement. It seems that in America, people have most commonly used (squandered) this opportunity to add a couple hundred pounds to their physique and surround themselves with meaningless material bullshit in order to exude "success" (among other things) to their peers. Those entertainment pieces where people are portrayed scaling cliff faces, mountain-biking through tough natural trails or bettering themselves through reading or further study are simply not indicative of the majority of Americans; even ones that "can" do such things. Sure, the opportunity exists, but the fact that it is not often realized makes the notion of "opportunity" rather illusory. Your putting a cute and pseudo-noble word in place for what is best described as yet another possibility. Many of these same self-advancement activities can be done in less than desireable countries as well. Or did you mean "to get rich"?
if you don't feel something for america thats your concern but I myself don't understand it
It's a piece of land coupled with an ideal that while significantly advanced for its time, is obviously riddled with flaws and in need of serious re-evaluation. It's a philosophy and I have learned that no one, no matter how certain they think they are of the truth, should be a die-hard adherent to any dogma especially to the point of "feeling" something for it: eventually you'll probably be proven wrong and your "feelings" will not allow you to cope with it. Feel something for your family, for your self, for your friends. Don't get wrapped up in ideologies (unless its your own... someone has to advance it, right?).