Because someone who commits those crimes lives in a country ruled by a government they elected and follows laws that are dictated by their own country's cultural values.
Why should someone go to a country ruled by a government that someone else elected and be held accountable to laws that are based on some other culture?
You have your laws and I have mine. I don't expect you to live by my laws, I'm not trying to take your guns from you, I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldn't be able to buy hardcore pornography from a store, I'm not trying to tell you that you should have to pay up to almost 50% tax on your income and 10% on your spending. So why can't you try to let us live how we want down here eh?
The Australian government would only ask for extradition if someone in the US committed a crime while in Australia, this is what our treaty dictates.
If someone in the US, while in the US committed bank fraud against an Australian, the Australian government would only ask for what normally happens: for the accused to be tried in a US court under US law on behalf of the Australian victim. This is what has happened in the past in such issues and this is what should happen this time.
I understand the continuation of the "motherboard" concept here, but daughter board makes absolutely no sense in my mind. Sure, the child analogy fits, but the "daughter" board has a PCI connector that is INSERTED into the motherboard. In every other application I have EVER seen this is referred to as a "male" connector (a female being a receiver connector into which the male is inserted).
It should be called an oedipus board. Because it is a child that inserts its male connector into its motherboard.
That was possibly the worst thing I have ever posted.
Did we just equate a school board's request to not cover a book with the massacre of millions of Jews?
Censorship is bad. But if someone gives into the school board's request, rather than putting up a fight and getting herself fired, I fail to see the parallels to the Holocaust.
Okay, so the Nazis banned some stuff. I think the similarities end there.
How do you think the Nazis rose to power? How do you think the Nazis managed to get popular support to massacre the Jews? How do you think Hitler and co. managed to take control of the Reichstag and undermine the (flawed) democracy of the weimar republic?
The Nazis came to power because the Germans were forced into blind obedience by the own fear and insecurity. Many people like to think that it was some violent coup d'etat or something that made Hitler chancellor then fuhrer. No, Hitler was democratically elected by good decent Germans (I say that with no intended irony) because they just didn't care what he was doing because at the time they thought they had bigger problems. They let themselves be bullied by the browncoats in the street, they let themselves be frightened by the Communists. They had the power to stop Hitler's tyranny but they didn't stand up for their rights because they were obedient.
Look, I am not usually a fan of disregarding Goodwin's law, at least so early in a discussion but this is an important thing to consider in this topic. Fascism is the product of total obedience as concretely as anarchy is the product of total disobedience. Do what you are told when it is wrong and you are no better than the guards at Auschwitz operating the death chamber. Sure, what an average person is asked to do in a compromising situation is not nearly as heinous as genocide, but I am sure the average SS officer didn't go straight to genocide from helping old ladies across the road either.
It is ignorance of an unforgivable magnitude to compare 1944 Germany to your own country and then immediately assume that your country is immune to fascism simply because there are no deathcamps around. Nazism started as a simple mix of national pride and workers rights, both intrinsically good things, but pretty much the complete basis of the worst tyranny in recorded history. Nazism was truely a good thing for Germany for a while and the Germans loved it, just as we love benign things in our own societies today. The Germans could not see what Nazism really was, because by the time it unveiled itself it was too late and Germany was already dependant on it. Can you confidently say that there is nothing evil like that lurking in our society with any more cirtainty than the Germans had? But we are far more fortunate than the Germans of the nineteen thirties because we now KNOW what can happen and we CAN do something about it. However Nazism happened to good, well meaning people before and it can happen to us too, you just have to let it. Will you?
Well, I already posted this on the FA but being the petty man I am, I realise I can't get modded up on that site so I figure I should repeat it here like a good little karma whore:)
Hi Josh.
As a fairly active open source developer myself I feel that trust is the most important elements of cooperation. An open source project is a huge investment of time and both intellectual and emotional energy, if one is to invest in this one needs to feel very secure that the people that one is working with are trustworthy.
Please remember that I am not trying to insult you with the following statements, just sharing my perspective. Microsoft does not have a great track record of trust. Microsoft's business practices have been found illegal by a united states court and although it doesn't seem like the punishment was severe it was enough to lower MS' credibility to many. Microsoft's practices of using market dominance of one product to displace a competitor's product in another market is seen by many as underhanded. Microsoft's past history of modifying standards without consultation or proper documentation so they become incompatible with competitors products like with "HTML 5.0" shows to most potential partners in open source development that Microsoft is not trustworthy and consistent. The ideological pursuit of excellence in software creation doesn't seem to be shared by Microsoft who have released versions of software with disabled functionality such as Windows XP Home Edition, and even more so the soon to be released Windows XP starter edition. This behavior of purposefully limiting a product is seen as repulsive to almost all open source developers. Look Josh, I like your visual studio, it is an excellent environment and it clearly distinguishes itself from most of its competitors by it's coherent, integrated structure, however you must admit that your company has forced some real crap onto the world.
Also, open source software is a community, if you attack one project you offend the it in its entirety. I am well aware that Linux is a serious competitor in Microsoft's main market and your livelihoods at least partially depends on defending against it, however every time it is targeted specifically, even hackers that detest Linux realize that it could be their project that is attacked next. If you pour your free time into developing something how could you trust an organization that is pouring millions into destroying something similar because it is in their way?
Finally, there is the practical aspect. If someone is experienced, committed and indoctrinated enough in free software to be an asset to your team in more concrete way than simply "open source hippie diversity window dressing" they are probably more comfortable and experienced with unix than they are with windows simply because of the natural trend of surrounding oneself with software of an open nature if that is what one is keen on. As such there is fairly little benefit for Microsoft in cooperating to create a product that in all reality will be made by the open contributers to work far better on the competitors products (OSX, Solaris, Linux, BSD etc.) than it would under Windows, clearly counter-productive for anything but public image.
So in conclusion, yes, I would work with Microsoft engineers if they happened to want to work on something that I was interested. I don't have a grudge against MS, just a deep rooted mistrust. No, I would not work with Microsoft the entity because I am convinced that their strategic overseers are working to undo things that people like myself have done even if their engineers may not be. If you want trust, create a version of MS office for Linux and BSD. It doesn't have to be open source itself or anything, just a symbolic action to say "if you want to use open source products, we're cool with that." I suggest that you make it using the GTK+ toolkit as it is quite consistent and powerful, it can link to closed software without royalties and it would prove that you are willing to contend with our obfuscated, counter-intuitive, poorly-documented interfaces for a change rather than the other way around.
Right now Cisco's market cap is just over $135 billion. Apple comes in at almost $12 billion. I guess there's niche, and then there's niche.
Hmm, I get the feeling that you are confusing market capitalizations with a figure that actually means something. Thousands of dot-com failures had immense market capitalizations because of absurd speculation yet dealt in markets that didn't exist then and never will. In fact in my opinion, part of the reason that these companies had such huge share value is that nobody actually knew what they did. Cisco itself if infamous for having a totally ludicrous market cap. In 1999 it became the "biggest" company on earth when its market cap exceeded US$555 Billion. That didn't actually mean it was worth anything in the real world.
Market capitalization has nothing to do with the market that something deals with, it is simply the number of shares times the current theoretical value. It has nothing to do with the amount of assets of the company and it has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of stuff they actually sell, or can sell. It isn't even a realistic assessment of how much the company could actually be sold for, because share values change when they are sold in any reasonable number. If you want to actually measure the size of the market to assess whether it is a niche or not, you should look at gross earnings, or even better, the total gross earnings of the company and it's competitors.
I agree that networking is not a niche, but I would really like to see some better statistics, not just throwing the market cap everywhere like a now-bankrupt 80's entrepreneur.
Most solar panels allways face north or south, (towards the equator) anyway. Of cause mounting it so the sun is normal to the solar panel at noon local time during the spring or autumn equinox is better, but at most lattitudes (including all the most developed countries) it would be just as good putting them vertically as horizontally.
1. Write a book called Amazon.com about ancient warrior women that are stalked online.
2. Take control of said domain name then sell it back.
3. Profit
Unlike the plans of the underpants gnomes and SCO, this one may actually be crazy enough to work.
Hmm, that happened to me once, I think it's a bug, I find it hard to believe that they meant it to happen. It hasn't happened to me in 2.6 though which is very good.
The living Beatles, the heirs to Elvis Presley Enterprises, and anyone else who has been suckling at the copyright teat for 40 years should be grateful for what they have. Quit whining about "loss of income" from something you didn't lift a finger to produce.
Hang on a second, I'm all in favour to having Lisa Marie's cash cow dry up (it's mostly blown on CoS training bullshit anyway, which I may add, Elvis himself detested) and I believe Yoko Ono should probably not reap the profits from the band she distroyed, however McCartney and Starr did a hell of a lot more than lift a finger to make what they are still getting the procedes for. It's hardly fair to rob someone of their copyright before they die or throw real musicians in with the leeches in your generalisations.
Dunno if that's true. I live in Australia, we are a LOOOONG way from any other sovereign nation and pretty much no one here knows another language because the language education system is frankly quite embarrassing. I am sure you are taught better Spanish in American schools than we are taught any of the 20 or so languages they try to teach us here without being able to choose one to teach for more than a year.
Despite that, Australian tourists seem to be quite liked overseas. I am told there is a town in Germany that doesn't like Australians any more because a bunch of rowdy Aussies ruined their beer festival, and a bunch of Australians were targeted and blown by some extremist nutcases in Bali because of that Afghanistan business (not really the fault of Australian tourists, we have Mr Howard to thank for that). But apart from that, most people I know have been liked for their nationality. My Grandparents regularly go to France, and they say the French are nice to them, and if the French don't get snooty at someone it must mean that the nationality is liked. The same applies to the Kiwis, Canadians and pretty much every other insular, isolated, english speaking country I can think of.
I don't want to speculate too much about why Americans have a bad reputation abroad. Maybe Americans turn into arseholes when they leave their own shores (I dunno if that is true but Americans seem a lot nicer on the internet than they do when they are over here).
I used windows for 10 years before I switched to linux, and when I switched linux was a hell of a lot less like windows than it is now.
Anecdotal evidence like mine (and many, many other people like me) proves very little in the scheme of things, but it really makes comments like your one seem utterly stupid. There are a huge amount of linux users in the world. By your logic there should be none. What do you think they used beforehand?
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Why should someone go to a country ruled by a government that someone else elected and be held accountable to laws that are based on some other culture?
You have your laws and I have mine. I don't expect you to live by my laws, I'm not trying to take your guns from you, I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldn't be able to buy hardcore pornography from a store, I'm not trying to tell you that you should have to pay up to almost 50% tax on your income and 10% on your spending. So why can't you try to let us live how we want down here eh?
The Australian government would only ask for extradition if someone in the US committed a crime while in Australia, this is what our treaty dictates.
If someone in the US, while in the US committed bank fraud against an Australian, the Australian government would only ask for what normally happens: for the accused to be tried in a US court under US law on behalf of the Australian victim. This is what has happened in the past in such issues and this is what should happen this time.
That was possibly the worst thing I have ever posted.
Wow, one post and this still hasn't degenerated into a gnome-kde flamewar, I am impressed.
The Nazis came to power because the Germans were forced into blind obedience by the own fear and insecurity. Many people like to think that it was some violent coup d'etat or something that made Hitler chancellor then fuhrer. No, Hitler was democratically elected by good decent Germans (I say that with no intended irony) because they just didn't care what he was doing because at the time they thought they had bigger problems. They let themselves be bullied by the browncoats in the street, they let themselves be frightened by the Communists. They had the power to stop Hitler's tyranny but they didn't stand up for their rights because they were obedient.
Look, I am not usually a fan of disregarding Goodwin's law, at least so early in a discussion but this is an important thing to consider in this topic. Fascism is the product of total obedience as concretely as anarchy is the product of total disobedience. Do what you are told when it is wrong and you are no better than the guards at Auschwitz operating the death chamber. Sure, what an average person is asked to do in a compromising situation is not nearly as heinous as genocide, but I am sure the average SS officer didn't go straight to genocide from helping old ladies across the road either.
It is ignorance of an unforgivable magnitude to compare 1944 Germany to your own country and then immediately assume that your country is immune to fascism simply because there are no deathcamps around. Nazism started as a simple mix of national pride and workers rights, both intrinsically good things, but pretty much the complete basis of the worst tyranny in recorded history. Nazism was truely a good thing for Germany for a while and the Germans loved it, just as we love benign things in our own societies today. The Germans could not see what Nazism really was, because by the time it unveiled itself it was too late and Germany was already dependant on it. Can you confidently say that there is nothing evil like that lurking in our society with any more cirtainty than the Germans had? But we are far more fortunate than the Germans of the nineteen thirties because we now KNOW what can happen and we CAN do something about it. However Nazism happened to good, well meaning people before and it can happen to us too, you just have to let it. Will you?
So why do you mention the EU?
Sorry, that was the wrong test I just linked to.
This is the one that actually worked
Yep, your right, it was quite a while ago actually.
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Market capitalization has nothing to do with the market that something deals with, it is simply the number of shares times the current theoretical value. It has nothing to do with the amount of assets of the company and it has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of stuff they actually sell, or can sell. It isn't even a realistic assessment of how much the company could actually be sold for, because share values change when they are sold in any reasonable number. If you want to actually measure the size of the market to assess whether it is a niche or not, you should look at gross earnings, or even better, the total gross earnings of the company and it's competitors.
I agree that networking is not a niche, but I would really like to see some better statistics, not just throwing the market cap everywhere like a now-bankrupt 80's entrepreneur.
Oh, and by the way, I noticed you have adopted the American spelling of ARSE.
Most solar panels allways face north or south, (towards the equator) anyway. Of cause mounting it so the sun is normal to the solar panel at noon local time during the spring or autumn equinox is better, but at most lattitudes (including all the most developed countries) it would be just as good putting them vertically as horizontally.
That's what Bush did wasn't it?
1. Write a book called Amazon.com about ancient warrior women that are stalked online.
2. Take control of said domain name then sell it back.
3. Profit
Unlike the plans of the underpants gnomes and SCO, this one may actually be crazy enough to work.
Here it is
Actually, nautilus does have webbrowsing capabilities, it's just that noone uses them.
Hmm, that happened to me once, I think it's a bug, I find it hard to believe that they meant it to happen. It hasn't happened to me in 2.6 though which is very good.
You have illustrated one of the many reasons why flash is bad.
Hang on a second, I'm all in favour to having Lisa Marie's cash cow dry up (it's mostly blown on CoS training bullshit anyway, which I may add, Elvis himself detested) and I believe Yoko Ono should probably not reap the profits from the band she distroyed, however McCartney and Starr did a hell of a lot more than lift a finger to make what they are still getting the procedes for. It's hardly fair to rob someone of their copyright before they die or throw real musicians in with the leeches in your generalisations.
Despite that, Australian tourists seem to be quite liked overseas. I am told there is a town in Germany that doesn't like Australians any more because a bunch of rowdy Aussies ruined their beer festival, and a bunch of Australians were targeted and blown by some extremist nutcases in Bali because of that Afghanistan business (not really the fault of Australian tourists, we have Mr Howard to thank for that). But apart from that, most people I know have been liked for their nationality. My Grandparents regularly go to France, and they say the French are nice to them, and if the French don't get snooty at someone it must mean that the nationality is liked. The same applies to the Kiwis, Canadians and pretty much every other insular, isolated, english speaking country I can think of.
I don't want to speculate too much about why Americans have a bad reputation abroad. Maybe Americans turn into arseholes when they leave their own shores (I dunno if that is true but Americans seem a lot nicer on the internet than they do when they are over here).
I believe the Melissa virus was named after a stripper. Does that count?
But I am sure a patent for saying whatever you just said there is in my portfolio somewhere.
Anecdotal evidence like mine (and many, many other people like me) proves very little in the scheme of things, but it really makes comments like your one seem utterly stupid. There are a huge amount of linux users in the world. By your logic there should be none. What do you think they used beforehand?
The dude who submitted this story is called Christian when he is not online. So it works on even more levels.