What about those of us that are Software Developers by day, and System Administrators by night? I propose Computer Swiss Army Knife and later Senior Computer Swiss Army Knife.:)
Apparently I did a poor job of illustrating my point.. or at least to you anyway.
My point was that you have absolutely no basis for which you can conclude that this legislation will be "wasteful government spending". It's not the government putting the labels on everything, it's the manufacturers. Exactly how does this cost the governement or equate wasteful spending? If anything, they could make it mandatory and if a company violates the legislation, they fine them. Herein lies my traffic cop analogy where the governemnt actually makes money. Yeah, believe it or not a lot of municipalities make more money in their traffic patrol than they spend.
I'm getting tired of educating you idiots for free.
I'm guessing that since you included this in your comment as a reply to my comment, that asserts that I am included in this grouping you have labeled "idiots". I'm also guessing that anyone who has an opinion that contradicts your "genius" must also be in this pool. Logically following, I can't imagine you could find anyone on this green earth who would agree with you on everything. So tell me, what is it like to be the smartest person in the world?
Just like enforcing the speed limit is wasteful local government spending... if they'd stop enforcing the speed limit then they could layoff hundreds of traffic cops saving the taxpayer lots of money... well, except for those who die in speed related accidents. Oh and Judges, they could eliminate local magistrates. And the clerks who receive traffic fines.
Oh and smaller townships could just quit having a budget since most of their income comes from traffic citations. This eliminates the need for accountants.
So Twirlip of the Mists... exactly which senator has employed you as his/her internet psycological camgaign expert? I'm sure the slashdotters from that state would be interested in knowing.
I tend to agree with this, but for different reasons.
If you are downloading a file off of a remote server, then there are one of two possibilites:
1) you know the exact address to the file you are looking for... in this case ftp provides no superior advantage over using lynx or wget since in either case you could have been given the direct URL... either provided as an http url or an ftp url. Basically my point here is that an ftp url is no more or less useful or easy to remember than an http url.
2) you don't know the address of the file you are looking fore... therefore you are pretty much required to browse via http, to find the site (or page) you want to download from... so since you are already forced to browse for the site, then you might as well use the browser to download. For most people that use graphical browsers, this is great... for those of us (myself included) that use shell browsers (ie lynx and links), this poses little problem as well (unless javascript is required to download a file... I friggen hate javascript... people who use javascript in their websites and have a choice should be fired [note, I use javascript in my works' website... but they make me.. I don't have a choice]).
You're right, you can't build a Mac using non-Apple guts, at least when it comes to the motherboard
By non-Apple guts, I hope you are referring to guts that are not manufactured by Apple but still mac compliant (which are nonexistant) versus pc-guts. Because my point has absolutely nothing to do with being able to use PC guts to build a Mac. In no way was I, nor am I suggesting that Apple should be building their machines with PC (intel/x86) hardware. My whole point from the beginning is that Mac hardware is a closed standard. There are not hundreds of companies making Apple compatible or Apple compliant hardware. This is because Apple refuses to open their standards. This results in three key things:
1) Higher prices
2) Lesser quality
3) Proprietary Support (not just anyone can work on or fix deficient hardware... usually takes a service center to fix things).
You see, heterogenius competition can only drive these points so far. Only homogenius competition would truly improve these.
I like external devices for their portability and interchangeability
I was attempting to mitigate this as a factor to my initial claim. And it holds. It is nice and dandy if you prefer external devices, but external devices only go so far. I haven't seen anyone build a computer completely out of external devices (which is kind of what you were saying). However, using your argument FOR external devices... by the time you remove those such devices from both a PC and a Mac and compare what's left, the comparison is even more lopsided. For instance... lets say you buy a Mac for $800 US, and all it has is a hard drive, keyboard, mouse, monitor, video, and standard connector ports. Let's say I build a PC that is exactly equal in features. Mine cost me $50 for a HD, $50 for a mobo, $100 for a processor, $30 for a case, $5 for a keyboard, $2 for a mouse, $50 for memory, $38 for a video card $75 for a monitor... Grand total: $400 US. Now if one of the parts of my machine fails, I can fix it in a matter of minutes, if something fails on your mac, you could be talking, hours, days, or even weeks of downtime. And mine cost me 50% of what yours cost you. And, my $400 estimate is being generous because I personally wouldn't need to purchase a monitor as I can re-use an old monitor (whereas all of the latest mac's I've seen have the monitor built-in in one way or another).
OK OK, maybe my attack on Mac's isn't fair. Let me broaden my statement you are a fool for wasting your money on this crap. While I still believe this holds especially true for owners of Mac computers, let me rephrase it this way... you are a fool for wasting your money on ANY NAME BRAND computer. However, I must place an exception on this. Some people are fortunate enough, or aren't patient enough to know how to build their own machines. For these particular people, I exempt them from my claim... however these same people are NOT exempt from this claim as it pertains to Macintosh computers.
IF Apple had the greatest market share of personal computers, they would be the Microsoft of computer hardware. And if this were the case, you could forget about Microsoft windows, you could forget about Linux, and I'd bet you could forget about Darwin (osX), as we'd all be using Mac OS 9 (or some derivitive) right now.
Thanks for the debate... I've enjoyed it:) And if you wish to continue this debate... I welcome your comments and look forward to reading them.
(ethernet, CD-ROMs, firewire and USB, IDE hard drives, etc... can't count video cards, I guess)
This is FAR from being good enough. And this is far from resolving my initial comment. I challenge you to BUILD a mac. I have owned, purchased, or otherwise consumed over 25 computers in the past 10 years. Of those, only 1 of those were a name brand PC (my very first one). Since then, I have built every single one of those from parts. I have found that by building my pc's I am able to build them cheaper (than purchasing a package deal or name brand pc) and more custom to my needs. This is the point I was trying to make about macs.
when just exchanging floppies between Windows and Mac OS was a big pain
I'm not sure where this came from. This is completely irrelevant to my point. My point is based solely on mac hardware. I was not even suggesting that the hardware had to be compatible with PC's let alon software/storage mediums. Again, I won't own a mac until they open their standards and create competition for hardware.
Now sure Macs support usb and/or firewire, but who gives a crap. Quite frankly, I find USB's ONLY use to be for standard peripherals (mice, keyboards, etc) and for portable devices. Any other device (such as hard drives, cdrom drives, etc) I'd rather have internal devices as that crap tends to clutter up my already cluttered desktop(real). And considering how cheap mice and keyboards are... forget about it.
there are non-Apple OSes that run on Apple's hardware (a few varieties of Linux, and at least the three biggest *BSDs). Now I'll admit this is a roundabout argument, but... even if no one else can produce Macs per se, Apple knows that they are not alone in the world, and the ability to switch hardware platforms without switching OS has got to affect their pricing. (Not that Apple laptops are badly priced, all things considered... go price some non-Apple 17", super-thin, aluminum-clad notebooks;)) Even though it's not direct, it's definitely competition. And that's just for people willing / anxious to run Free software; even for Mac OS-only users, Windows laptops (which cannot run OS X) are obviously competition; people need computers, not necessarily Apple computers
I don't think you quite understand. Macs don't have any homogenius competetion. Macs are typically overpriced and underperforming. The latest macs use hardware that is outdated and several months closer to obsolecense than the latest PC's. And yet the top of the line macs can cost as much or more than top of the line PC's. And mac hardware is typically inferior to PC hardware... (unless you purchase shitty motherboards and such). And when your onboard Video card craps out, or your built-in display (crt or flatscreen) shoots poop, your only fix is to take it to an authorized service center and then wait 6 or more weeks while they fix it. Whereas if my monitor shoots its load, or my video card craps out, I'm back up and running in about 5 minutes.
THESE are the issues that will prevent me from buying a mac. If you want to buy a mac, its your money... but unless you need a specialized pc for doing multimedia editing, you are a fool for wasting your money on this crap.
You won't see me own a mac until the day comes that they open the hardware standards and there is good competition for hardware. In other words, until I can build a mac from spare parts, you won't see me owning one.
Back when I first set up my webserver, I was getting hundreds of hits from nimda a day... I've built up quite a blacklist over the past several months.
When I first set up my server, I was interested in this virus as it was cluttering up my logs. Of course I was running apache, so I was immune, but nonetheless it was annoying.
So I used a few of the URL requests and reverted them back to the calling host just to see what would happen. I was amazed at how easy it was to get into their box. So after about two trials, I stopped, didn't want to get into trouble, but I was discussing this with collegues and fellow sys-admins. Based on my reasearch (two attempts reflected back on the attacking host) I determined it would be VERY VERY easy to write a little program that monitored my apache log, as soon as it saw a nimda hit, it would automatically attack the calling machine, only with the intent of irradicating the nimda virus on that machine.
(ok, so now that I've built up this story)...
So anyway, I chickened out... even though they were attacking me, I was afraid of the rammifications that might come back onto me if I were to "cleanse" these attacking machines.
My point is that this concept has some merit. I think we should consider whether or not this should be an allowable practice. And what would the penalty be for wrongly "cleansing" a computer?
I donno, this is becoming too complicated and it is too early in the morning. Forget I suggested it.
sunset's attitude pisses me off. If someone provides something "for free" and it turns out that it's gonna cost you money to use it, then I see two choices, and pissing and moaning aren't either. 1. Pay, and use it. 2. Don't use it.
As an author of open source software, I reserve the right to change the conditions to which I provide my software at anytime.
Open Source is not your right! How dare you! You are the epitomy of what is WRONG with open source!
If I provide software as open source, and you don't like the conditions in which I provide the software, then don't use it!
A while back, I wrote and published a straightforward how-to for integrating Jakarta into Apache (getting Jakarta to share port 80 with Apache as opposed to using 8080).
Not only that, there may be some merit for the "graphical aspect" of his argument, BUT the "high-performance numerical" part of his argument doesn't hold water.
Java gets a bad rap for being "inefficient". The problem with java, isn't that it is slow, it is that it is so easy to learn that you have people programming in the language that have no business writing computer programs. I have proven time and time again to my peers that I can write code that is AS efficient or in some cases more efficient than comparative C++ programs. The thing is, I'm a java expert, and I know how to tweak things for performance. Any language can be inefficient if the person writing the code doesn't know what they are doing. And quite frankly, very few programmers I've met are at that level.
You: Christian Libertarian. Not exactly sure what that means, but the Christian part implies the belief of Jesus Christ as "our" savior.
Me: Agnost. Question the existence of god.
You: Judgemental.
Me: Being persecuted for my beliefs. Ok, admittedly persecuted is a pretty strong word here, but as history has taught us, being judged can lead to only one thing... yup, you guessed it, persecution.
You: Believe in the words of the bible? Ever read the passage "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself"?
Me: Even in absence of faith and religion, I still try to keep my emotions separate from my opinions. I try to be fair and treat people with respect. Though I am human, so mistakes are made (nobody's perfect). Although, I do believe in "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", you be disrespectful of my opinion, and I yours.
"I don't believe in brand loyalty, and here's why..."
In no way have any of your comments nullified my point of view. Reguardless of my feelings toward brand loyalty and HP, you are still missing the bigger point: You can have an opinion without belittling other people.
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics...even if you win, you are still retarded.
Not only is this a rude and unbelievably insensitive thing to say, but it is somewhat ironic. I have a cousin who DOES compete in the special olympics. You've just proven that even he is smarter than you. In the 23 years that he's been alive, I have NEVER heard him once belittle anyone else based on his opinion, nor for any other reason.
"Come to think of it, you fit right with all the other brain dead consumers of the USA."
Ahh yes, now I remember where this thread started.
"I'm going to reason you indeed are flaming and stop responding to you."
If nothing else, maybe our little conversation will make you think a little bit next time YOU (that's right YOU) decide to post a negative criticism (flaming). I suppose it would have been far nobler to sit idly by while you attacked my character, but what fun would that have been?
"My last comment"...
But, it looks like I gave you too little credit. You ARE, alas, smart enough to realize when you've been out debated (and out mudslinged).
First off, I never claimed to be all knowing-- not sure where you got that idea. I'm just stating my opinions in opposition to yours.
Opinions generally take the form of "I think" or "It is of my opinion". It becomes more than just an opinion when you start making blanket claims, criticize, and use your opinions to "inform" others of their wrongness. I suppose the NAZI's didn't do anything wrong, since afterall, it was of their opinion that Jewish people were bad. Dumbass.
HP hasn't given me any reason not to trust them, and until they do, I'm saying that I don't have a problem paying a little extra for what seems to be more reliable hardware. Can you honestly tell me that HP printers are not the most reliable on the market?
Besides, based on your cynical point of view, by even purchasing hardware (as opposed to making it yourself), you are playing the hypocrit. Where do you think the parts that make up cd drives and other computer hardware come from? Even generic drives have Via, Motorola, IBM, or other big name chips and components in them. Using your verbage, "Who is Motorola".
You sound very much like the quintessential Linux user. You probably think that you are better than everyone else because you use linux. And yes, I AM making assumptions about you now, but your pisspoor arrogant attitude doesn't leave much for the imagination. Just speculating, but based on your frugality when purchasing hardware, my guess is that you are one of those OSS "users" that are just that: "users". You probably don't do anything in the way of contributing back to the community, do you? In fact, you are probably one of those guys that Pour talks about, "Damn it, why is this [ so or not like so ]?"... Demanding that things be fixed in Linux as opposed to doing it yourself.
Thank you, you just proved my point to the other gentleman/gentlewoman that "So before you start calling people 'foolish' you need to evaluate the situation a little more".
Again, you too have fallen to the mistake of making assumptions about me. It wasn't stated in my previous comment (and I'm sure you don't care beings that you too are ALL-KNOWING) that I have purchased and used HP hardware for over 10 years and have never had any problem with their hardware. Thus my trusting HP to provide me with the best products is something HP has earned from me, not some blind faith I'm placing in merely a company logo (the hp name).
So I repeat... before you jump to your Infinite-Wisdom-based-conclusions, maybe you ought stop and consider all of the angles.
And by the way, whether your ego will allow you to admit it or not, you too base decisions on trust. There are far too many things to worry about in this world to be able to not do so.
Notice that in my post I said "stopped distributing CD burners". In no way did I imply that HP actually manufactured my CD burners. And in fact, I knew that HP didn't manufacture my cd burners. BUT I didn't know who did, and rather than speculating about who manufactures my CD burner, and since I trust HP for my peripheral hardware needs (almost everything except the pc itself), I merely pointed out that they were not "Distributing" cdroms anymore. And you are absolutely right that I am paying a "premium for an OEM drive" BUT by paying that premium, I'm not foolish, rather I'm deferring my trust to HP to decide on a good OEM manufacturer for me. I don't know enough about CD-Burners (or at least I didn't when I bought mine) to know who a good manufacturer is.
So before you start calling people "foolish" you need to evaluate the situation a little more. Not everyone knows as much as you THINK you know.
I have 3 HP CD burners (4x usb, 12x int, 16x int) and I think they are great. What gets me is that HP stopped distributing CD burners in favor of their new DVD burners. I wish they had a 40x cd burner available.
Guess I'll just have to save up for an HP DVD burner.
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What exactly is the Poincare Conjecture anyway?
What about those of us that are Software Developers by day, and System Administrators by night? I propose Computer Swiss Army Knife and later Senior Computer Swiss Army Knife. :)
Apparently I did a poor job of illustrating my point.. or at least to you anyway.
My point was that you have absolutely no basis for which you can conclude that this legislation will be "wasteful government spending". It's not the government putting the labels on everything, it's the manufacturers. Exactly how does this cost the governement or equate wasteful spending? If anything, they could make it mandatory and if a company violates the legislation, they fine them. Herein lies my traffic cop analogy where the governemnt actually makes money. Yeah, believe it or not a lot of municipalities make more money in their traffic patrol than they spend.
I'm getting tired of educating you idiots for free.
I'm guessing that since you included this in your comment as a reply to my comment, that asserts that I am included in this grouping you have labeled "idiots". I'm also guessing that anyone who has an opinion that contradicts your "genius" must also be in this pool. Logically following, I can't imagine you could find anyone on this green earth who would agree with you on everything. So tell me, what is it like to be the smartest person in the world?
Just like enforcing the speed limit is wasteful local government spending... if they'd stop enforcing the speed limit then they could layoff hundreds of traffic cops saving the taxpayer lots of money... well, except for those who die in speed related accidents. Oh and Judges, they could eliminate local magistrates. And the clerks who receive traffic fines.
Oh and smaller townships could just quit having a budget since most of their income comes from traffic citations. This eliminates the need for accountants.
So Twirlip of the Mists... exactly which senator has employed you as his/her internet psycological camgaign expert? I'm sure the slashdotters from that state would be interested in knowing.
Gawd, I'd hope this isn't an april fools joke. I'd like to think that our techie friends could be a little more clever than that.
/me rolls his eyes
Know not, and you will die.
"ooh april fools, we are really going to release 8.1 not 9!"
Know, and you will survive.
Understand, and you will have truly lived. -- Me
What's googlewhack?
You bring up a good point... HOWEVER, that wasn't the question:
An anonymous reader asks "Looking to serve files for downloading (typically 1MB-6MB"...
That's probably why "It seems everyone talks about DOWNLOADING."... Because some of us read the initial post before replying.
I tend to agree with this, but for different reasons.
If you are downloading a file off of a remote server, then there are one of two possibilites:
1) you know the exact address to the file you are looking for... in this case ftp provides no superior advantage over using lynx or wget since in either case you could have been given the direct URL... either provided as an http url or an ftp url. Basically my point here is that an ftp url is no more or less useful or easy to remember than an http url.
2) you don't know the address of the file you are looking fore... therefore you are pretty much required to browse via http, to find the site (or page) you want to download from... so since you are already forced to browse for the site, then you might as well use the browser to download. For most people that use graphical browsers, this is great... for those of us (myself included) that use shell browsers (ie lynx and links), this poses little problem as well (unless javascript is required to download a file... I friggen hate javascript... people who use javascript in their websites and have a choice should be fired [note, I use javascript in my works' website... but they make me.. I don't have a choice]).
You're right, you can't build a Mac using non-Apple guts, at least when it comes to the motherboard
:) And if you wish to continue this debate... I welcome your comments and look forward to reading them.
By non-Apple guts, I hope you are referring to guts that are not manufactured by Apple but still mac compliant (which are nonexistant) versus pc-guts. Because my point has absolutely nothing to do with being able to use PC guts to build a Mac. In no way was I, nor am I suggesting that Apple should be building their machines with PC (intel/x86) hardware. My whole point from the beginning is that Mac hardware is a closed standard. There are not hundreds of companies making Apple compatible or Apple compliant hardware. This is because Apple refuses to open their standards. This results in three key things:
1) Higher prices
2) Lesser quality
3) Proprietary Support (not just anyone can work on or fix deficient hardware... usually takes a service center to fix things).
You see, heterogenius competition can only drive these points so far. Only homogenius competition would truly improve these.
I like external devices for their portability and interchangeability
I was attempting to mitigate this as a factor to my initial claim. And it holds. It is nice and dandy if you prefer external devices, but external devices only go so far. I haven't seen anyone build a computer completely out of external devices (which is kind of what you were saying). However, using your argument FOR external devices... by the time you remove those such devices from both a PC and a Mac and compare what's left, the comparison is even more lopsided. For instance... lets say you buy a Mac for $800 US, and all it has is a hard drive, keyboard, mouse, monitor, video, and standard connector ports. Let's say I build a PC that is exactly equal in features. Mine cost me $50 for a HD, $50 for a mobo, $100 for a processor, $30 for a case, $5 for a keyboard, $2 for a mouse, $50 for memory, $38 for a video card $75 for a monitor... Grand total: $400 US. Now if one of the parts of my machine fails, I can fix it in a matter of minutes, if something fails on your mac, you could be talking, hours, days, or even weeks of downtime. And mine cost me 50% of what yours cost you. And, my $400 estimate is being generous because I personally wouldn't need to purchase a monitor as I can re-use an old monitor (whereas all of the latest mac's I've seen have the monitor built-in in one way or another).
OK OK, maybe my attack on Mac's isn't fair. Let me broaden my statement you are a fool for wasting your money on this crap. While I still believe this holds especially true for owners of Mac computers, let me rephrase it this way... you are a fool for wasting your money on ANY NAME BRAND computer. However, I must place an exception on this. Some people are fortunate enough, or aren't patient enough to know how to build their own machines. For these particular people, I exempt them from my claim... however these same people are NOT exempt from this claim as it pertains to Macintosh computers.
IF Apple had the greatest market share of personal computers, they would be the Microsoft of computer hardware. And if this were the case, you could forget about Microsoft windows, you could forget about Linux, and I'd bet you could forget about Darwin (osX), as we'd all be using Mac OS 9 (or some derivitive) right now.
Thanks for the debate... I've enjoyed it
(ethernet, CD-ROMs, firewire and USB, IDE hard drives, etc ... can't count video cards, I guess)
... even if no one else can produce Macs per se, Apple knows that they are not alone in the world, and the ability to switch hardware platforms without switching OS has got to affect their pricing. (Not that Apple laptops are badly priced, all things considered ... go price some non-Apple 17", super-thin, aluminum-clad notebooks;)) Even though it's not direct, it's definitely competition. And that's just for people willing / anxious to run Free software; even for Mac OS-only users, Windows laptops (which cannot run OS X) are obviously competition; people need computers, not necessarily Apple computers
This is FAR from being good enough. And this is far from resolving my initial comment. I challenge you to BUILD a mac. I have owned, purchased, or otherwise consumed over 25 computers in the past 10 years. Of those, only 1 of those were a name brand PC (my very first one). Since then, I have built every single one of those from parts. I have found that by building my pc's I am able to build them cheaper (than purchasing a package deal or name brand pc) and more custom to my needs. This is the point I was trying to make about macs.
when just exchanging floppies between Windows and Mac OS was a big pain
I'm not sure where this came from. This is completely irrelevant to my point. My point is based solely on mac hardware. I was not even suggesting that the hardware had to be compatible with PC's let alon software/storage mediums. Again, I won't own a mac until they open their standards and create competition for hardware.
Now sure Macs support usb and/or firewire, but who gives a crap. Quite frankly, I find USB's ONLY use to be for standard peripherals (mice, keyboards, etc) and for portable devices. Any other device (such as hard drives, cdrom drives, etc) I'd rather have internal devices as that crap tends to clutter up my already cluttered desktop(real). And considering how cheap mice and keyboards are... forget about it.
there are non-Apple OSes that run on Apple's hardware (a few varieties of Linux, and at least the three biggest *BSDs). Now I'll admit this is a roundabout argument, but
I don't think you quite understand. Macs don't have any homogenius competetion. Macs are typically overpriced and underperforming. The latest macs use hardware that is outdated and several months closer to obsolecense than the latest PC's. And yet the top of the line macs can cost as much or more than top of the line PC's. And mac hardware is typically inferior to PC hardware... (unless you purchase shitty motherboards and such). And when your onboard Video card craps out, or your built-in display (crt or flatscreen) shoots poop, your only fix is to take it to an authorized service center and then wait 6 or more weeks while they fix it. Whereas if my monitor shoots its load, or my video card craps out, I'm back up and running in about 5 minutes.
THESE are the issues that will prevent me from buying a mac. If you want to buy a mac, its your money... but unless you need a specialized pc for doing multimedia editing, you are a fool for wasting your money on this crap.
You won't see me own a mac until the day comes that they open the hardware standards and there is good competition for hardware. In other words, until I can build a mac from spare parts, you won't see me owning one.
The Tooth Fairy is known for leaving money in exchange for children's teeth... doesn't make her real.
When I was a kid we'd have potato wars with these.
Also, Moms would get upset when she'd go to make dinner and find out she didn't have any potatos left.
Back when I first set up my webserver, I was getting hundreds of hits from nimda a day... I've built up quite a blacklist over the past several months.
When I first set up my server, I was interested in this virus as it was cluttering up my logs. Of course I was running apache, so I was immune, but nonetheless it was annoying.
So I used a few of the URL requests and reverted them back to the calling host just to see what would happen. I was amazed at how easy it was to get into their box. So after about two trials, I stopped, didn't want to get into trouble, but I was discussing this with collegues and fellow sys-admins. Based on my reasearch (two attempts reflected back on the attacking host) I determined it would be VERY VERY easy to write a little program that monitored my apache log, as soon as it saw a nimda hit, it would automatically attack the calling machine, only with the intent of irradicating the nimda virus on that machine.
(ok, so now that I've built up this story)...
So anyway, I chickened out... even though they were attacking me, I was afraid of the rammifications that might come back onto me if I were to "cleanse" these attacking machines.
My point is that this concept has some merit. I think we should consider whether or not this should be an allowable practice. And what would the penalty be for wrongly "cleansing" a computer?
I donno, this is becoming too complicated and it is too early in the morning. Forget I suggested it.
sunset's attitude pisses me off. If someone provides something "for free" and it turns out that it's gonna cost you money to use it, then I see two choices, and pissing and moaning aren't either. 1. Pay, and use it. 2. Don't use it.
As an author of open source software, I reserve the right to change the conditions to which I provide my software at anytime.
Open Source is not your right! How dare you! You are the epitomy of what is WRONG with open source!
If I provide software as open source, and you don't like the conditions in which I provide the software, then don't use it!
A while back, I wrote and published a straightforward how-to for integrating Jakarta into Apache (getting Jakarta to share port 80 with Apache as opposed to using 8080).
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So... if anyone is interested:
http://wass.homelinux.net/howtos/Jakarta_How-To.s
Absolutely!
Not only that, there may be some merit for the "graphical aspect" of his argument, BUT the "high-performance numerical" part of his argument doesn't hold water.
Java gets a bad rap for being "inefficient". The problem with java, isn't that it is slow, it is that it is so easy to learn that you have people programming in the language that have no business writing computer programs. I have proven time and time again to my peers that I can write code that is AS efficient or in some cases more efficient than comparative C++ programs. The thing is, I'm a java expert, and I know how to tweak things for performance. Any language can be inefficient if the person writing the code doesn't know what they are doing. And quite frankly, very few programmers I've met are at that level.
Let us have a little lesson in irony, shall we?
You: Christian Libertarian. Not exactly sure what that means, but the Christian part implies the belief of Jesus Christ as "our" savior.
Me: Agnost. Question the existence of god.
You: Judgemental.
Me: Being persecuted for my beliefs. Ok, admittedly persecuted is a pretty strong word here, but as history has taught us, being judged can lead to only one thing... yup, you guessed it, persecution.
You: Believe in the words of the bible? Ever read the passage "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself"?
Me: Even in absence of faith and religion, I still try to keep my emotions separate from my opinions. I try to be fair and treat people with respect. Though I am human, so mistakes are made (nobody's perfect). Although, I do believe in "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", you be disrespectful of my opinion, and I yours.
Why can't you just say:
"I don't believe in brand loyalty, and here's why..."
In no way have any of your comments nullified my point of view. Reguardless of my feelings toward brand loyalty and HP, you are still missing the bigger point: You can have an opinion without belittling other people.
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics...even if you win, you are still retarded.
Not only is this a rude and unbelievably insensitive thing to say, but it is somewhat ironic. I have a cousin who DOES compete in the special olympics. You've just proven that even he is smarter than you. In the 23 years that he's been alive, I have NEVER heard him once belittle anyone else based on his opinion, nor for any other reason.
"Come to think of it, you fit right with all the other brain dead consumers of the USA."
Ahh yes, now I remember where this thread started.
"I'm going to reason you indeed are flaming and stop responding to you."
If nothing else, maybe our little conversation will make you think a little bit next time YOU (that's right YOU) decide to post a negative criticism (flaming). I suppose it would have been far nobler to sit idly by while you attacked my character, but what fun would that have been?
"My last comment"
But, it looks like I gave you too little credit. You ARE, alas, smart enough to realize when you've been out debated (and out mudslinged).
First off:
... Demanding that things be fixed in Linux as opposed to doing it yourself.
First off, I never claimed to be all knowing-- not sure where you got that idea. I'm just stating my opinions in opposition to yours.
Opinions generally take the form of "I think" or "It is of my opinion". It becomes more than just an opinion when you start making blanket claims, criticize, and use your opinions to "inform" others of their wrongness. I suppose the NAZI's didn't do anything wrong, since afterall, it was of their opinion that Jewish people were bad. Dumbass.
HP hasn't given me any reason not to trust them, and until they do, I'm saying that I don't have a problem paying a little extra for what seems to be more reliable hardware. Can you honestly tell me that HP printers are not the most reliable on the market?
Besides, based on your cynical point of view, by even purchasing hardware (as opposed to making it yourself), you are playing the hypocrit. Where do you think the parts that make up cd drives and other computer hardware come from? Even generic drives have Via, Motorola, IBM, or other big name chips and components in them. Using your verbage, "Who is Motorola".
You sound very much like the quintessential Linux user. You probably think that you are better than everyone else because you use linux. And yes, I AM making assumptions about you now, but your pisspoor arrogant attitude doesn't leave much for the imagination. Just speculating, but based on your frugality when purchasing hardware, my guess is that you are one of those OSS "users" that are just that: "users". You probably don't do anything in the way of contributing back to the community, do you? In fact, you are probably one of those guys that Pour talks about, "Damn it, why is this [ so or not like so ]?"
Thank you, you just proved my point to the other gentleman/gentlewoman that "So before you start calling people 'foolish' you need to evaluate the situation a little more". Again, you too have fallen to the mistake of making assumptions about me. It wasn't stated in my previous comment (and I'm sure you don't care beings that you too are ALL-KNOWING) that I have purchased and used HP hardware for over 10 years and have never had any problem with their hardware. Thus my trusting HP to provide me with the best products is something HP has earned from me, not some blind faith I'm placing in merely a company logo (the hp name). So I repeat... before you jump to your Infinite-Wisdom-based-conclusions, maybe you ought stop and consider all of the angles. And by the way, whether your ego will allow you to admit it or not, you too base decisions on trust. There are far too many things to worry about in this world to be able to not do so.
Notice that in my post I said "stopped distributing CD burners". In no way did I imply that HP actually manufactured my CD burners. And in fact, I knew that HP didn't manufacture my cd burners. BUT I didn't know who did, and rather than speculating about who manufactures my CD burner, and since I trust HP for my peripheral hardware needs (almost everything except the pc itself), I merely pointed out that they were not "Distributing" cdroms anymore. And you are absolutely right that I am paying a "premium for an OEM drive" BUT by paying that premium, I'm not foolish, rather I'm deferring my trust to HP to decide on a good OEM manufacturer for me. I don't know enough about CD-Burners (or at least I didn't when I bought mine) to know who a good manufacturer is. So before you start calling people "foolish" you need to evaluate the situation a little more. Not everyone knows as much as you THINK you know.
I have 3 HP CD burners (4x usb, 12x int, 16x int) and I think they are great. What gets me is that HP stopped distributing CD burners in favor of their new DVD burners. I wish they had a 40x cd burner available. Guess I'll just have to save up for an HP DVD burner.
Can you say "Encryption Treaties"?