Make an economy where running out of money doesn't mean desperation. These aren't smart people using sexiness to get ahead. They're economically vulnerable. When the left talk about social justice that's what we mean.
If you're at a hacker convention that is not the appropriate time to hit on a women (or a man). That's why the good Lord made singles bars. You're professional environment is not a dating site. How hard is that to understand?
As for the rest of Utopia thing the Democratic Socialists figured that part out ages ago. The Danes are doing just fine thank you very much.
but this sure as hell is it. Folks can't afford their own place, even into their late 20s or even 40s? Not getting on with the kind of life normal humans are expected to have? No problem, just change the name for all your social ills. A tiny apartment with 5 people crammed into it becomes co-living. Millennials now want 'experiences' instead of houses and cars. You're not single and lonely due to your crap economic position, your an independent free thinker. Now get back to work. These mansions, yachts and private jets (and accompanying private airports) aren't gonna pay for themselves.
from descending on this little town and crushing this? Just wondering. There's been podunk towns in the middle of nowhere who suggested doing muni-broadband and were shut down by a gaggle of lawyers chanting some nonsense about free enterprise and it not being fair they have to compete with government.
Speaking of which, anyone else find it funny that the same folks who tell you gov't can't do anything right also tell you gov't can't be allowed to compete with private business because it would be unfair? What are they afraid of, the gov't's just gonna fail anyway, right?
in the rust belt choose because they have nothing to lose. And we're going to get worse than Trump if we keep abandoning those people and yelling at them to somehow update their skills while working full time at 40 with kids.
Why come to a country where everyone is angry all the time?
I'll give you this. Our lives suck. 60% of us live paycheck to paycheck, you've got no guarantee of health care or even food and water and you can forget about college if your parents aren't either rich or willing to give up their lives while you go.
Why come to a country where no one can ever be happy?
Also give you this. See above.
Why come to a country where all the stories are about catastrophic environmental destruction?
What the heck? You're barely allowed to talk about global warming and we just finished sweeping the whole "Puerto Rico destroyed by floods and still without power after 2 months" under a rug.
Who wants to come here to be told they're a victim every day based on something that happened before they were born in their own country?
Are you talking about Blacks & Slavery? Yeah, they're victims. It's called institutionalize racism. You saw it recently when a copy shot a well spoken black guy who was carrying with a permit not because he was racist but because a black guy with a gun made him unusually nervous. You saw it again when the NRA didn't lose it's shit over the incident.
Why come to a country where succeeding financially is considered evil?
That's the left, and it's mostly because rich people are doing evil things. Like taking health care away from children and the poor so they can have tax cuts. You do something evil you get called evil. Who knew?
Why would a young person join a group that only talks about historic grievances and never about future opportunities?
Are you talking about those damn confederate statues? I can't think of anything else. If you are those were put up during Jim Crow times to scare black people. If you're not I really don't know what you're on about.
Why come to a country where the leaders and entertainers and celebrities all seem to be among the worst examples of humanity?
I'll give you leaders. Not entertainers. Go watch late night talk. Jimmy Kimmel especially. That guy saves lives.
we've pretty much got everything needed for a modern economy. Even the rare earth minerals. The only reason we're getting them overseas is they're willing to abuse their population more than we are resulting in cheaper prices. China isn't better at manufacturing, they're more ruthless at it. Same with Mexico.
OTOH the rest of the world _does_ need us. China can't feed their population without our grainery.
You're looking from the outside in. He's a member of the working class and yeah, everybody else was more important than him. The US foreign policy was meant to help our aristocracy. It did a great job of that. But for everyone else we're just screwed. We're loaded with debt from our wars and our massive subsidies for the ruling elite. We work long hours in shit jobs and they get worse every day as outsourcing takes what few middle class jobs are left.
The problem is we're local, not global. So globalism hasn't brought us anything good except cheap electronics we use to distract ourselves from our misery and vent a little on/..
businesses pay for them to come here and go to school. It's a back door to bring a worker in when they run out of H1-B visas. The bring somebody here who's already trained and for whom school is just a formality. They work as an 'intern' doing real production work. The business gets a cheap, well trained worker, the college gets a student paying fees but not really using educational services and everybody wins except the American worker who could have had that job but can't compete because they would have had to have a bunch of expensive training...
and House before they were stacked with right wing wack jobs in the wake of the Mid-Terms. He was also busy trying to keep the economy afloat after the damage the Clinton/Bush deregulation did. What the hell was he supposed to do?
and they're plenty bright, but they're not geniuses. They're above average. And I know tons of kids who are just as smart and working at Walmart because they couldn't manage two work 40 hours a week while going to school while keeping the GPA you need to get into your 300 level courses these days and after Clinton & Bush Jr and a legion of Republican lead State Legislatures were done with budget cuts couldn't afford to stay in school.
What worries me about immigrant students is that we rely on the rich allowing us to tax them to pay for schools. Otherwise most folks just don't get to go. That's just a fact and you can hide from it if you want but it's there waiting for you. Now, if the rich can get kids ready to go from overseas why the hell would they pay the taxes needed to maintain an educational system? It just doesn't make sense. And you're seeing the effects of that now. What reading this didn't go to school with mostly Chinese kids in the CS dept? How many classes did you have taught by a Chinese person (often that barely spoke English, boy that was fun). You can look down on me all you want, but it doesn't change cold, hard facts. These were all cost cutting measures. Period. The rich aren't going to keep paying for your schools if they don't have to. Because why the hell _would_ they?
or China if the US is the leader in science or technology? Well guess what, it doesn't matter to somebody in Detroit. Nobody cares how big the pie is if they don't get a piece.
Us techies abandoned the blue collar workers when we let NAFTA through with chants of "Update your Skills", nevermind we cut funding to any real programs to help them do that. PEOPLE IN THEIR 30s AND 40s CANNOT WORK FULL TIME AND GO TO SCHOOL. Christ, most people in their 20s can't do that shit, that's why college drop out rates are so high.
I'm gonna Godwin the thread here: The reason the Nazis rose to power was because the rest of the world shit all over Germany after WWI. Now we've got entire swaths of the US that are in just as bad a state. Trump's a buffoon, but his successors won't be. And mark my words, they're going to do the same horrible things for the same reasons if we don't nip them in the bud now by giving people enough food, housing and education to do alright. Christ, it's like we didn't learn a God Damn thing...
Giving them jobs does. Calling them racists just pisses them off more and makes them double down. Stop screwing over the working class and their stop screwing over you (and themselves). Until the working class stops fighting among itself guys like Trump are going to keep winning and you and me are gonna keep losing.
as soon as Trump got elected. For everyone that voted against him, I'm sorry. For everyone that voted for him, enjoy your media consolidation turning into propaganda. Sure, you'll ignore it, but people around you will get pulled in. And they'll vote for things way, way worse than this.
treat them with respect _before_ they want to die. It's like the right wing being anti-abortion and then cutting child insurance programs. Nobody really gives a fuck. They just want to seem like they do.
Until you've got a gun in your hand. Try getting help if you're or your loved one isn't actively trying to commit suicide. Bottom line mental health care is expensive and nobody wants to pay for it. Especially when it's so easy to tell somebody to get over it, it's all in your head.
it's the app I use to watch my Crunchyroll (Japanese anime streaming service) account. I'd actually been tempted to pirate stuff just so I could watch it off line. With that one little addition I can't be arsed to pirate things. I stopped pirating games years and years ago because it's just not worth the effort. I can't wait for Video to be the same.
they're not taking a risk because their country's more or less a hell hole. Have you seen the stories about New Delhi's air quality? Anyone who can get away from that does.
The problem is the ones that can get away usually the upper casts. In the States we called this "White Flight". The only people who are in a position to make a positive change leave as soon as they can and leave a blight in their wake.
I'm a worker, not am owner. E.g. I work for a living rather than own things for a living. What concerns me isn't the overall state of the economy. What concerns me is my place in it. I don't care how big the pie is if I never get a slice.
they see immigration as just another cheap good to be imported for profit. It's twisted to think that way but there it is. It's basically the same thing that happened to our transistor radio industry back when the Japanese started flooding the market, but with people instead.
What's more, Neither me or my kid can compete with a country of over a billion. Especially when that country eats people up and spits them out. Nobody can. They'll struggle twice as hard because if they don't they die in a gutter. And eventually we'll reach parity with them. Where the only thing that waits for anyone that trips up for even a second is the gutter. It's a race to the bottom. Karl Marx predicted all this but all anybody can remember about him is that Stalin & Mao borrowed his books for Rhetoric. Damn I hate people.
they care about now. Right now. The jobs are going overseas right now. The Automation is still 10-20 years out.
The reason solutions aren't going to happen. Period. Democratic Socialism and income equality are the real solutions. We're an oligarchy, not a democracy. MIT showed that in a study where they looked at how our government rules on issues vs what people thought on those issues. That's not going to change. People don't _want_ it to change. They're conservative. Because again, they're living paycheck to paycheck and they're terrified of any change that will push them over the edge to homelessness. That's not a bug, it's a feature.
The one viable solution that's being put forward is protectionism. Maybe we won't get it. But it's still the _only_ solution that has any political viability. Give people a choice between lesser evils and they _will_ pick the lesser. Yeah, it would be nice if we could stop picking among evils, but that's not on the table. Until we stop abandoning large swaths of the working class it won't be.
I keep hearing this and it makes me wonder if all our home grown talent is that worthless. Remember, we're still getting the best and brightest because we still have the most money for them and the safest place to live thanks to our enormous military and police state. What we're giving up here are the above average. And what I'm hearing is there are no Americans who are above average.
Plus if the ruling elite can bring in students from overseas already have 18 years of education what incentive do they have to fund education for local kids? Most people can't afford to send their kids to private schools. Before public schools only the very wealthy were even taught to read. The rich started funding schools because they needed educated workers. If they can get those workers without paying for the schools (because somebody overseas is) they'll do it in a heartbeat.
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Make an economy where running out of money doesn't mean desperation. These aren't smart people using sexiness to get ahead. They're economically vulnerable. When the left talk about social justice that's what we mean.
If you're at a hacker convention that is not the appropriate time to hit on a women (or a man). That's why the good Lord made singles bars. You're professional environment is not a dating site. How hard is that to understand?
As for the rest of Utopia thing the Democratic Socialists figured that part out ages ago. The Danes are doing just fine thank you very much.
they raise their rates uniformly and so rarely that it makes news when they do. my Crunchyroll account has been $7/mo for 6 years.
Now, my ISP does this, but that's because they have a monopoly and little or no regulatory oversight. Hmm....
but this sure as hell is it. Folks can't afford their own place, even into their late 20s or even 40s? Not getting on with the kind of life normal humans are expected to have? No problem, just change the name for all your social ills. A tiny apartment with 5 people crammed into it becomes co-living. Millennials now want 'experiences' instead of houses and cars. You're not single and lonely due to your crap economic position, your an independent free thinker. Now get back to work. These mansions, yachts and private jets (and accompanying private airports) aren't gonna pay for themselves.
from descending on this little town and crushing this? Just wondering. There's been podunk towns in the middle of nowhere who suggested doing muni-broadband and were shut down by a gaggle of lawyers chanting some nonsense about free enterprise and it not being fair they have to compete with government.
Speaking of which, anyone else find it funny that the same folks who tell you gov't can't do anything right also tell you gov't can't be allowed to compete with private business because it would be unfair? What are they afraid of, the gov't's just gonna fail anyway, right?
in the rust belt choose because they have nothing to lose. And we're going to get worse than Trump if we keep abandoning those people and yelling at them to somehow update their skills while working full time at 40 with kids.
we took them from them when we invaded. When it comes to weapons all that crap went right out the window. It'll be the same here.
Why come to a country where everyone is angry all the time?
I'll give you this. Our lives suck. 60% of us live paycheck to paycheck, you've got no guarantee of health care or even food and water and you can forget about college if your parents aren't either rich or willing to give up their lives while you go.
Why come to a country where no one can ever be happy?
Also give you this. See above.
Why come to a country where all the stories are about catastrophic environmental destruction?
What the heck? You're barely allowed to talk about global warming and we just finished sweeping the whole "Puerto Rico destroyed by floods and still without power after 2 months" under a rug.
Who wants to come here to be told they're a victim every day based on something that happened before they were born in their own country?
Are you talking about Blacks & Slavery? Yeah, they're victims. It's called institutionalize racism. You saw it recently when a copy shot a well spoken black guy who was carrying with a permit not because he was racist but because a black guy with a gun made him unusually nervous. You saw it again when the NRA didn't lose it's shit over the incident.
Why come to a country where succeeding financially is considered evil?
That's the left, and it's mostly because rich people are doing evil things. Like taking health care away from children and the poor so they can have tax cuts. You do something evil you get called evil. Who knew?
Why would a young person join a group that only talks about historic grievances and never about future opportunities?
Are you talking about those damn confederate statues? I can't think of anything else. If you are those were put up during Jim Crow times to scare black people. If you're not I really don't know what you're on about.
Why come to a country where the leaders and entertainers and celebrities all seem to be among the worst examples of humanity?
I'll give you leaders. Not entertainers. Go watch late night talk. Jimmy Kimmel especially. That guy saves lives.
we've pretty much got everything needed for a modern economy. Even the rare earth minerals. The only reason we're getting them overseas is they're willing to abuse their population more than we are resulting in cheaper prices. China isn't better at manufacturing, they're more ruthless at it. Same with Mexico.
OTOH the rest of the world _does_ need us. China can't feed their population without our grainery.
You're looking from the outside in. He's a member of the working class and yeah, everybody else was more important than him. The US foreign policy was meant to help our aristocracy. It did a great job of that. But for everyone else we're just screwed. We're loaded with debt from our wars and our massive subsidies for the ruling elite. We work long hours in shit jobs and they get worse every day as outsourcing takes what few middle class jobs are left.
/..
The problem is we're local, not global. So globalism hasn't brought us anything good except cheap electronics we use to distract ourselves from our misery and vent a little on
businesses pay for them to come here and go to school. It's a back door to bring a worker in when they run out of H1-B visas. The bring somebody here who's already trained and for whom school is just a formality. They work as an 'intern' doing real production work. The business gets a cheap, well trained worker, the college gets a student paying fees but not really using educational services and everybody wins except the American worker who could have had that job but can't compete because they would have had to have a bunch of expensive training...
and House before they were stacked with right wing wack jobs in the wake of the Mid-Terms. He was also busy trying to keep the economy afloat after the damage the Clinton/Bush deregulation did. What the hell was he supposed to do?
and they're plenty bright, but they're not geniuses. They're above average. And I know tons of kids who are just as smart and working at Walmart because they couldn't manage two work 40 hours a week while going to school while keeping the GPA you need to get into your 300 level courses these days and after Clinton & Bush Jr and a legion of Republican lead State Legislatures were done with budget cuts couldn't afford to stay in school.
What worries me about immigrant students is that we rely on the rich allowing us to tax them to pay for schools. Otherwise most folks just don't get to go. That's just a fact and you can hide from it if you want but it's there waiting for you. Now, if the rich can get kids ready to go from overseas why the hell would they pay the taxes needed to maintain an educational system? It just doesn't make sense. And you're seeing the effects of that now. What reading this didn't go to school with mostly Chinese kids in the CS dept? How many classes did you have taught by a Chinese person (often that barely spoke English, boy that was fun). You can look down on me all you want, but it doesn't change cold, hard facts. These were all cost cutting measures. Period. The rich aren't going to keep paying for your schools if they don't have to. Because why the hell _would_ they?
or China if the US is the leader in science or technology? Well guess what, it doesn't matter to somebody in Detroit. Nobody cares how big the pie is if they don't get a piece.
Us techies abandoned the blue collar workers when we let NAFTA through with chants of "Update your Skills", nevermind we cut funding to any real programs to help them do that. PEOPLE IN THEIR 30s AND 40s CANNOT WORK FULL TIME AND GO TO SCHOOL. Christ, most people in their 20s can't do that shit, that's why college drop out rates are so high.
I'm gonna Godwin the thread here: The reason the Nazis rose to power was because the rest of the world shit all over Germany after WWI. Now we've got entire swaths of the US that are in just as bad a state. Trump's a buffoon, but his successors won't be. And mark my words, they're going to do the same horrible things for the same reasons if we don't nip them in the bud now by giving people enough food, housing and education to do alright. Christ, it's like we didn't learn a God Damn thing...
Giving them jobs does. Calling them racists just pisses them off more and makes them double down. Stop screwing over the working class and their stop screwing over you (and themselves). Until the working class stops fighting among itself guys like Trump are going to keep winning and you and me are gonna keep losing.
as soon as Trump got elected. For everyone that voted against him, I'm sorry. For everyone that voted for him, enjoy your media consolidation turning into propaganda. Sure, you'll ignore it, but people around you will get pulled in. And they'll vote for things way, way worse than this.
on the concept of 'suicide'. It doesn't mean killing other people.
treat them with respect _before_ they want to die. It's like the right wing being anti-abortion and then cutting child insurance programs. Nobody really gives a fuck. They just want to seem like they do.
Until you've got a gun in your hand. Try getting help if you're or your loved one isn't actively trying to commit suicide. Bottom line mental health care is expensive and nobody wants to pay for it. Especially when it's so easy to tell somebody to get over it, it's all in your head.
it's the app I use to watch my Crunchyroll (Japanese anime streaming service) account. I'd actually been tempted to pirate stuff just so I could watch it off line. With that one little addition I can't be arsed to pirate things. I stopped pirating games years and years ago because it's just not worth the effort. I can't wait for Video to be the same.
they're not taking a risk because their country's more or less a hell hole. Have you seen the stories about New Delhi's air quality? Anyone who can get away from that does.
The problem is the ones that can get away usually the upper casts. In the States we called this "White Flight". The only people who are in a position to make a positive change leave as soon as they can and leave a blight in their wake.
I'm a worker, not am owner. E.g. I work for a living rather than own things for a living. What concerns me isn't the overall state of the economy. What concerns me is my place in it. I don't care how big the pie is if I never get a slice.
they see immigration as just another cheap good to be imported for profit. It's twisted to think that way but there it is. It's basically the same thing that happened to our transistor radio industry back when the Japanese started flooding the market, but with people instead.
What's more, Neither me or my kid can compete with a country of over a billion. Especially when that country eats people up and spits them out. Nobody can. They'll struggle twice as hard because if they don't they die in a gutter. And eventually we'll reach parity with them. Where the only thing that waits for anyone that trips up for even a second is the gutter. It's a race to the bottom. Karl Marx predicted all this but all anybody can remember about him is that Stalin & Mao borrowed his books for Rhetoric. Damn I hate people.
they care about now. Right now. The jobs are going overseas right now. The Automation is still 10-20 years out.
The reason solutions aren't going to happen. Period. Democratic Socialism and income equality are the real solutions. We're an oligarchy, not a democracy. MIT showed that in a study where they looked at how our government rules on issues vs what people thought on those issues. That's not going to change. People don't _want_ it to change. They're conservative. Because again, they're living paycheck to paycheck and they're terrified of any change that will push them over the edge to homelessness. That's not a bug, it's a feature.
The one viable solution that's being put forward is protectionism. Maybe we won't get it. But it's still the _only_ solution that has any political viability. Give people a choice between lesser evils and they _will_ pick the lesser. Yeah, it would be nice if we could stop picking among evils, but that's not on the table. Until we stop abandoning large swaths of the working class it won't be.
I keep hearing this and it makes me wonder if all our home grown talent is that worthless. Remember, we're still getting the best and brightest because we still have the most money for them and the safest place to live thanks to our enormous military and police state. What we're giving up here are the above average. And what I'm hearing is there are no Americans who are above average.
Plus if the ruling elite can bring in students from overseas already have 18 years of education what incentive do they have to fund education for local kids? Most people can't afford to send their kids to private schools. Before public schools only the very wealthy were even taught to read. The rich started funding schools because they needed educated workers. If they can get those workers without paying for the schools (because somebody overseas is) they'll do it in a heartbeat.