but unless you're in the top 10-20% your life is pretty much shit if you live in modern China, or Japan, or Singapore, or Russia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Mexico. You're ignoring vast swaths of poverty to focus on a fairly small class of well to do merchants.
Taken as a whole the majority of the planet _is_ a "gigantic cesspools of filth, poverty, illiteracy, crime, violence and general misery". That's not me being an imperialist America. That's just the way things are. Go google some statistics on global income inequality if you doubt me. It's pretty terrifying just how bad most of the world has it.
because after a few years of living the good life they just plain forget what they bad life is like. They start to blame people for their poor condition to justify their opulent life styles. I've seen it time and again on smaller scales with the middle class.
Some of it's malice, but a lot of it is just plain being in a bubble. I've been crushed by a bunch of family illnesses and I can't tell you the number of times my better-off friends and extended family have wondered why I didn't just pay somebody to fix something that was broke or buy a new car. They literally have no clue.
There's a world of difference between Einstein / Fermi / Oppenheimer and a random Joe from China who happens to be good at math. We can still let the top guys in and indeed we're doing that. What the anti-immigration folks are looking to do is stop the flow of rank and file when there's plenty of Americans who can and would take that training.
Also, it's not just about Americans taking that training. As we bring these folks in from overseas it reduces the need to have good schools to train up Americans. It's about shifting the cost of the initial 18 years of child rearing overseas. It lets wealthy elites cut funding to our schools and pocket that money in the form or tax cuts while still having a viable work force.
The elites didn't fund schools for the poor and working class out of charity. They did it because they needed a 21st century workforce. Parents work _hard_ to raise their kids. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to expect good schools. But cheap 'imports' like these eliminate the need for those schools. This isn't about competing. This is about the ruling class not meeting their end of the bargain.
good paying ones at that. And ones they can already do. Nobody's gonna feed, house and cloth them while they retrain and they're too tired from a 40-60 hour work week to add retraining for a new career on top of that. And that's before they start taking care of the kids they had before everything went overseas.
If you want bad stuff like this to stop happening you have to vote for a country where _everyone_ is taken care of no matter what. We've got the money to do it, but most folks don't want to. For one thing it means you're gonna have some folks who just fuck off all day and still get paid enough to do alright. And that really pisses people who go to shit jobs just to do alright off. There's an old line I think was from Clerks: I may not live well but at least I don't have to work hard to do it...
for abandoning the blue collar guys to their fate while chanting 'update your skills'. They voted an administration into office who couldn't care less about them or us, but they really didn't have anything to lose. They're picking us workers apart. Putting us against each other and laughing all the way to the bank.
your post itself is a classic KGB technique used to shut down discussion of an issue by introducing doubt. I'm not even sure you're aware you're doing it. John Oliver just did a nice piece on it.
That get created as a result of automation and technological improvement. Yes, that happens, but the last time it did was after the industrial revolution. 80 years after it. It took that long for tech to catch up and employ the people put out of work. We had 80 years of social strife and rampant poverty in the meantime. They called it the guilded age. It lead to to world wars.
I've been able to get a PS4 or XBone for $199 for some time now if I just watch something like Kotaku's adverts for deals. Most of the TV deals are average too. There's a few odds/ends (Home Depot has some holiday decorations on sale for cheap) but that's not going to get anyone out of bed at 4am.
but if I was going to file a discrimination suit I'd try to keep it out of the feds. We had 8 years of right wing presidents (debatable 16 since Clinton was pretty right wing) followed by 8 years of blocked judicial appointments. I'm not so sure you're going to get anywhere with a federal suit. The courts are pretty well stacked in the other camp. People forget just how much power a president with a compliant congress has over our legal system...
back in my day we just called it propaganda. Folks do know the US Government does this every time we go to war, right? We did it before Iraq and we're starting to do it for North Korea.
and they're retaliate as best they can. It'd be nice to live in a world where I'm not constantly either being a mark or feeling like I should be turning others into marks.
They reject training because a) there are no jobs and b) retaining while working full time is fucking _hard_. They've been abandoned, they know it, and they don't know what to do. So they voted Trump because, hey, what have they got to lose, right? Sure, he's already pushing the bad stuff of the TPP into other bills, but again, they've got nothing to lose. What is it people say about people with nothing to lose? Oh, right, they think clearly and rationally and make sound decisions. I think that was it.
And yes, I know I'm feeding trolls, but fact is lots of folks think like you. They need to stop that. You need to stop that. It's what got us in this mess in the first place.
yelling at them to update their skills while giving them little to no support to do so, especially when they're already in dire economic straights is _not_ helping. Worse, I'm not even sure people want to help. If you just look down on them you don't have to worry about your taxes going up to support them while they retrain. Or for make work public works projects while we wait for the economy to catch up. You can safely abandon them and feel none the worse for it. Because it's their fault for not updating their skills, and not because the entire manufacturing base of our country collapsed in the wake of NAFTA and free trade with China...
You do know that their blue collar guys, right? Most of them would fit in just fine building infrastructure or in manufacturing if we did such things.
or in India's case just plain collecting taxes in the first place. Crop burning's already illegal in India. They do it anyway. You'd need money for enforcement and to pay the enforcers well enough they don't just become corrupt. The only place you're gonna get that kind of money is the ruling elites and good luck getting money out of them.
who keep yelling at them to update their skills. Because if it's one thing I know about folks in their 40s who have to work for a living it's that they love going back to school while working full time. Just sayin'.
of course they are. It would be silly if they weren't. Hell, I'm sure our allies are targeting us and we're targeting them. That's just the nature of these things. The fact that we can read stories about it means NK isn't very good at it.
Now, watch the news. If you start seeing more and more of these kind of stories about scary things NK is doing that's when you start worrying, because it means our media is gearing us up for war with them. Go look back at media coverage before Iraq/Afghanistan if you doubt me.
There's a really easy way to deal with it: Gentrification. Which is a really fancy way of saying screw to poor and lower working class. Water resources will be diverted to the well to do and a select few who serve them and the rest of us will be left to fight for the scraps. In all the discussions about how to solve the water problem I've not heard this one mentioned once, and it's by far the most likely...
it's mostly the rich here that get those watered lawns. Even in the middle class neighborhoods you're only going to see small patches (and even then during winter). And, well, the rich aren't going to give up their lawns because they don't have to. The cost of water will just go up for the working class and poor.
And yeah, nobody thinks much of Phoenix when it comes to wealth, but it's full of multi millionaires and even billionaires. When you get old the dry air is good for you so lots of folks come here if they can afford it.
what exactly are they hoping to learn? This sort of thing has been going on for ages and we've done fuck all about it. No sign of gun control since it's a complete losing issue politically. No expansion of mental health services. Hell, this guy was kicked out of the church by the pastor.
There's nothing to investigate here. A depressed loon ball with access to high power killing equipment who'd been shit on a bit too much said 'fuck it'. Case closed. What, you think you're gonna find the illuminati are behind it all? This is just another excuse to get decryption keys and back doors from manufactures. Fortunately it'll go nowhere since the more we discuss it the more we have to bring up universal medical care (which nobody wants to pay for) or gun control (which is DOA).
The only reason to buy a watch in 2017 is as a fashion accessory or if you're hiking/camping. And if you're doing that then why aren't you buying a wind up or if you're really well to do one of those expensive ones that 'wind' while you move?
or favoritism unless they're actually reducing the number of H1-B visas granted. There's so much demand for these visas among employers that they could challenge 90% of them and still hit their caps.
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but unless you're in the top 10-20% your life is pretty much shit if you live in modern China, or Japan, or Singapore, or Russia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Mexico. You're ignoring vast swaths of poverty to focus on a fairly small class of well to do merchants.
Taken as a whole the majority of the planet _is_ a "gigantic cesspools of filth, poverty, illiteracy, crime, violence and general misery". That's not me being an imperialist America. That's just the way things are. Go google some statistics on global income inequality if you doubt me. It's pretty terrifying just how bad most of the world has it.
because after a few years of living the good life they just plain forget what they bad life is like. They start to blame people for their poor condition to justify their opulent life styles. I've seen it time and again on smaller scales with the middle class.
Some of it's malice, but a lot of it is just plain being in a bubble. I've been crushed by a bunch of family illnesses and I can't tell you the number of times my better-off friends and extended family have wondered why I didn't just pay somebody to fix something that was broke or buy a new car. They literally have no clue.
There's a world of difference between Einstein / Fermi / Oppenheimer and a random Joe from China who happens to be good at math. We can still let the top guys in and indeed we're doing that. What the anti-immigration folks are looking to do is stop the flow of rank and file when there's plenty of Americans who can and would take that training.
Also, it's not just about Americans taking that training. As we bring these folks in from overseas it reduces the need to have good schools to train up Americans. It's about shifting the cost of the initial 18 years of child rearing overseas. It lets wealthy elites cut funding to our schools and pocket that money in the form or tax cuts while still having a viable work force.
The elites didn't fund schools for the poor and working class out of charity. They did it because they needed a 21st century workforce. Parents work _hard_ to raise their kids. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to expect good schools. But cheap 'imports' like these eliminate the need for those schools. This isn't about competing. This is about the ruling class not meeting their end of the bargain.
good paying ones at that. And ones they can already do. Nobody's gonna feed, house and cloth them while they retrain and they're too tired from a 40-60 hour work week to add retraining for a new career on top of that. And that's before they start taking care of the kids they had before everything went overseas.
If you want bad stuff like this to stop happening you have to vote for a country where _everyone_ is taken care of no matter what. We've got the money to do it, but most folks don't want to. For one thing it means you're gonna have some folks who just fuck off all day and still get paid enough to do alright. And that really pisses people who go to shit jobs just to do alright off. There's an old line I think was from Clerks: I may not live well but at least I don't have to work hard to do it...
for abandoning the blue collar guys to their fate while chanting 'update your skills'. They voted an administration into office who couldn't care less about them or us, but they really didn't have anything to lose. They're picking us workers apart. Putting us against each other and laughing all the way to the bank.
your post itself is a classic KGB technique used to shut down discussion of an issue by introducing doubt. I'm not even sure you're aware you're doing it. John Oliver just did a nice piece on it.
That get created as a result of automation and technological improvement. Yes, that happens, but the last time it did was after the industrial revolution. 80 years after it. It took that long for tech to catch up and employ the people put out of work. We had 80 years of social strife and rampant poverty in the meantime. They called it the guilded age. It lead to to world wars.
I've been able to get a PS4 or XBone for $199 for some time now if I just watch something like Kotaku's adverts for deals. Most of the TV deals are average too. There's a few odds/ends (Home Depot has some holiday decorations on sale for cheap) but that's not going to get anyone out of bed at 4am.
but if I was going to file a discrimination suit I'd try to keep it out of the feds. We had 8 years of right wing presidents (debatable 16 since Clinton was pretty right wing) followed by 8 years of blocked judicial appointments. I'm not so sure you're going to get anywhere with a federal suit. The courts are pretty well stacked in the other camp. People forget just how much power a president with a compliant congress has over our legal system...
back in my day we just called it propaganda. Folks do know the US Government does this every time we go to war, right? We did it before Iraq and we're starting to do it for North Korea.
Your comment is the penultimate of /. comments.
closer to $100ish in today's dollars. Inflation's a bitch.
and they're retaliate as best they can. It'd be nice to live in a world where I'm not constantly either being a mark or feeling like I should be turning others into marks.
They reject training because a) there are no jobs and b) retaining while working full time is fucking _hard_. They've been abandoned, they know it, and they don't know what to do. So they voted Trump because, hey, what have they got to lose, right? Sure, he's already pushing the bad stuff of the TPP into other bills, but again, they've got nothing to lose. What is it people say about people with nothing to lose? Oh, right, they think clearly and rationally and make sound decisions. I think that was it.
And yes, I know I'm feeding trolls, but fact is lots of folks think like you. They need to stop that. You need to stop that. It's what got us in this mess in the first place.
yelling at them to update their skills while giving them little to no support to do so, especially when they're already in dire economic straights is _not_ helping. Worse, I'm not even sure people want to help. If you just look down on them you don't have to worry about your taxes going up to support them while they retrain. Or for make work public works projects while we wait for the economy to catch up. You can safely abandon them and feel none the worse for it. Because it's their fault for not updating their skills, and not because the entire manufacturing base of our country collapsed in the wake of NAFTA and free trade with China...
You do know that their blue collar guys, right? Most of them would fit in just fine building infrastructure or in manufacturing if we did such things.
or in India's case just plain collecting taxes in the first place. Crop burning's already illegal in India. They do it anyway. You'd need money for enforcement and to pay the enforcers well enough they don't just become corrupt. The only place you're gonna get that kind of money is the ruling elites and good luck getting money out of them.
who keep yelling at them to update their skills. Because if it's one thing I know about folks in their 40s who have to work for a living it's that they love going back to school while working full time. Just sayin'.
it's a defacto standard. I can send somebody an invite an know it'll show up on their Calendar.
he's laughing with them and at us.
of course they are. It would be silly if they weren't. Hell, I'm sure our allies are targeting us and we're targeting them. That's just the nature of these things. The fact that we can read stories about it means NK isn't very good at it.
Now, watch the news. If you start seeing more and more of these kind of stories about scary things NK is doing that's when you start worrying, because it means our media is gearing us up for war with them. Go look back at media coverage before Iraq/Afghanistan if you doubt me.
There's a really easy way to deal with it: Gentrification. Which is a really fancy way of saying screw to poor and lower working class. Water resources will be diverted to the well to do and a select few who serve them and the rest of us will be left to fight for the scraps. In all the discussions about how to solve the water problem I've not heard this one mentioned once, and it's by far the most likely...
it's mostly the rich here that get those watered lawns. Even in the middle class neighborhoods you're only going to see small patches (and even then during winter). And, well, the rich aren't going to give up their lawns because they don't have to. The cost of water will just go up for the working class and poor.
And yeah, nobody thinks much of Phoenix when it comes to wealth, but it's full of multi millionaires and even billionaires. When you get old the dry air is good for you so lots of folks come here if they can afford it.
what exactly are they hoping to learn? This sort of thing has been going on for ages and we've done fuck all about it. No sign of gun control since it's a complete losing issue politically. No expansion of mental health services. Hell, this guy was kicked out of the church by the pastor.
There's nothing to investigate here. A depressed loon ball with access to high power killing equipment who'd been shit on a bit too much said 'fuck it'. Case closed. What, you think you're gonna find the illuminati are behind it all? This is just another excuse to get decryption keys and back doors from manufactures. Fortunately it'll go nowhere since the more we discuss it the more we have to bring up universal medical care (which nobody wants to pay for) or gun control (which is DOA).
The only reason to buy a watch in 2017 is as a fashion accessory or if you're hiking/camping. And if you're doing that then why aren't you buying a wind up or if you're really well to do one of those expensive ones that 'wind' while you move?
or favoritism unless they're actually reducing the number of H1-B visas granted. There's so much demand for these visas among employers that they could challenge 90% of them and still hit their caps.