They'll have a family, so they'll want to get paid more and work less hours. Also by 40 they'll start having health problems that'll cut into their hours even more.
And we've already established they're not more experienced. In your scenario they just got trained up (probably on the cheap, my kid's in college and it's gonna take about $160k to get her through if I count food/transportation/etc. That's a nursing degree. Double that if she decides to switch to pre-med).
There's zero reason to be surprised. If you want mass transit you put up with this stuff. I'd like to see some real mass transit in this country. It's absolutely ridiculous how many people drive into California or drive around it when they could just rent a car for the last few miles. You clog roads, drive up the cost of everything and create smog. It's insane.
and is horrifically arrogant. She didn't campaign in the rust belt because she took it for granted that no sane person would vote Trump. Her voters (Young people, Blacks and Latinos) stayed home. The 538 blog has a nice analysis of all this.
When the economy crashed in 2008 everybody took a massive pay cut. They were told this was necessary to keep them employed (nevermind that all the loses were paper. It's not like we had a war or something). The economy recovered in about 4 years, but the rich got all gains from that recovery.
During the boomer's time the government stepped in and spread wealth around. Taxes were high. 90% top marginal high. And there weren't a lot of tax havens. That meant you had to use it or lose it. The rich are siting on 2 _trillion_ dollars in just cash. Nevermind what they've socked away by just buying crap (I"m in the market for a home and I'm having to compete with Chinese investors looking to hide money from their government...).
We just handed the entire economy over to the 1%. The boomers didn't have that. They fought in WWII so they had a sense of entitlement. And that's exactly why the rich have been pushing a bullshit narrative that millennials are entitled pricks. It's to chip away at their sense of entitlement and stop them from questioning their crummy lot.
and how he got our Hawks under control he damn well did deserve that prize. A lot of Americans wanted blood and he calmed that crap the hell down and averted Iraq II (electric boogalo).
Obama has also done a metric ton of diplomacy that doesn't make the news because it's not obvious and it's not sexy. See, that's the trouble with Obama. He's a great compromiser. He's fantastic at making the best of a horrible situation. But that kinda patchwork never makes people feel good. They'd rather the whole thing go to hell and then get cleaned up. That's much more cathartic. It's also a big part of what got us Trump...
not entirely. You're never going to get completely rid of the ruling class. You're just not. That's because people are allowed to give their offspring their possessions when they die and those advantages accumulate over generations. I suppose we could go full Sparta and separate children from their parents and make everyone truly the equal from birth. But somehow I don't think that'd fly. It's also not the best solution.
The solution was and still is a heavily regulated economy that limits wealth inequality by taxing and redistributing wealth. We've been calling that socialism for at least a 150 years. Raise the marginal tax rate back to 90%. There's been exactly 1 time in history when the working class did well (not counting a slim merchant class). That was when a large organization (gov't) stepped in, took money from the ruling class and gave it to the the working class. It happened after WWII.
Raise minimum Wage to 15/hr. Accelerate automation and then implement basic income. And for God's sake get over our fear and hate that somebody might have a good life without punching a clock 40-60 hours a week and toiling away in misery. Do that or you're going to have the ruling class crushing you to maintain their power like they've done for 5 thousand years of recorded history.
But I don't expect them to back it up with actions. Mainly I don't expect then to end visa abuse. They can't bring back manufacturing. There's too much automation. Bringing it back just means a few dozen engineers...
I'll say it's mostly an R thing. There are some folks on the D side like Warren, Alan Greyson and (sorta kinda) Bernie (yeah, I know he's running as an I, but come on, he's so tight with the Ds the whole I thing is just to keep them on their toes). I haven't once seen anyone from the R side raise the issue of income inequality except to say it's either a) not real or b) the fault of anyone making less for not working hard enough. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I literally don't know of any. Maybe John Boehner, but he retired.
than other minorities in America. A study had controlled for family, education & environmental factors and found that, by and large, it was because for some reason they weren't constant victims of institutionalized racism. It had nothing to do with tough parenting and some nebulous "values". We just didn't shit on them like we do the blacks and Latinos. If I had to guess I'd say that's why those demographics are doing better. If nothing else we've made a lot of progress in that area.
and he can't even land an interview. He's had to go through dodgy contracting outfits that take 50% of his pay. Crap work too. He doesn't make it through the HR filters.
Make no mistake. It's not like it was 20 years ago. Sure, if you've got a few decades of experience and a network of friends you might get by without a degree. But that doesn't apply to an 18 year old fresh out of high school. It's 2017 and they'll never get the chance to get experienced. Why the hell would I hire somebody without a college degree when all I have to do is go crying to congress and their give me as many H1-Bs as I want (since I couldn't find anybody with the proper experience: in this case a college degree).
and was surprised they covered it until they blunted the impact of the story by going on about how millennials eat out a lot and have lots of gadgets (read:cell phones). Just another Straw Man argument. I'm embarrassed to say I fell for it. I started to argue with their Straw Man trying to justify millennial's purchasing decisions until I realized that how they spend money has nothing to do with their declining wages.
It's amazing the lengths the media goes to these days to avoid acknowledging growing wealth inequality. Not really surprising when you consider who owns them. As always, follow the money...
talking about this now. The next gen of automation will be flexible and it will adapt. It'll use complex AIs, improved materials and robotics to allow processes to change rapidly as needed. It took about 50-70 years longer to get to this point than we thought. But we're just about there. There's some algorithms to work out and we need slightly better batteries and materials. All of which are available and just waiting new processes to mass produce. This is all in the pipeline; and not that joke pipeline about how when a scientist says it's 5 years off he means he's done the fun part. It's coming soon. 20 years tops.
This happened before in the 1800s and we didn't do anything. I wish we'd actually do something this time...
to make them compete with machines? Studio apartments? 2, 4 people to a studio? No running water? No electricity? How about food insecurity? How far down will you push them just so you can maintain the puritan work ethic and so you can claim the spoils of civilization yourself? History says you'll let them starve. Or if you won't you'll lose out in the marketplace to someone who will.
You're glossing over decades of unemployment, intense poverty and violence used to contain the poor. All of which is completely unnecessary. And You and I won't be richer in 50 years. We'll be dead or dying. That's not hyperbole, that's life expectancy.
There was decades of mass unemployment following the industrial revolution until wars did enough damage and killed enough people. Sorry man, but you're being hopelessly naive.
Maybe I'm just being bitter, but after 30 years of them putting people in charge who oppose extending healthcare to all well, they made their bed (and mine). Go sleep in it.
did they start out in need of shooting? Were they born that way? If not, what made them that way? If they were just born that way is it OK to abort them once science is sufficiently advanced to identify them (anime nerds, see Psycho Pass).
without coming right out and saying: We're laying you off (or worse, paying unemployment claims). What's embarrassing is that a company as large as Yahoo stooped to that level...
and my family dies of heart attacks in their MID 60s. Those are odds I'll play. Especially at my income level and with a kid in college. As for the kid, well she's on her own after she graduates. It's all I can do to pay for the damn thing.
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They'll have a family, so they'll want to get paid more and work less hours. Also by 40 they'll start having health problems that'll cut into their hours even more.
And we've already established they're not more experienced. In your scenario they just got trained up (probably on the cheap, my kid's in college and it's gonna take about $160k to get her through if I count food/transportation/etc. That's a nursing degree. Double that if she decides to switch to pre-med).
There's zero reason to be surprised. If you want mass transit you put up with this stuff. I'd like to see some real mass transit in this country. It's absolutely ridiculous how many people drive into California or drive around it when they could just rent a car for the last few miles. You clog roads, drive up the cost of everything and create smog. It's insane.
and is horrifically arrogant. She didn't campaign in the rust belt because she took it for granted that no sane person would vote Trump. Her voters (Young people, Blacks and Latinos) stayed home. The 538 blog has a nice analysis of all this.
but I'm starting to think violence is.
When the economy crashed in 2008 everybody took a massive pay cut. They were told this was necessary to keep them employed (nevermind that all the loses were paper. It's not like we had a war or something). The economy recovered in about 4 years, but the rich got all gains from that recovery.
During the boomer's time the government stepped in and spread wealth around. Taxes were high. 90% top marginal high. And there weren't a lot of tax havens. That meant you had to use it or lose it. The rich are siting on 2 _trillion_ dollars in just cash. Nevermind what they've socked away by just buying crap (I"m in the market for a home and I'm having to compete with Chinese investors looking to hide money from their government...).
We just handed the entire economy over to the 1%. The boomers didn't have that. They fought in WWII so they had a sense of entitlement. And that's exactly why the rich have been pushing a bullshit narrative that millennials are entitled pricks. It's to chip away at their sense of entitlement and stop them from questioning their crummy lot.
and how he got our Hawks under control he damn well did deserve that prize. A lot of Americans wanted blood and he calmed that crap the hell down and averted Iraq II (electric boogalo).
Obama has also done a metric ton of diplomacy that doesn't make the news because it's not obvious and it's not sexy. See, that's the trouble with Obama. He's a great compromiser. He's fantastic at making the best of a horrible situation. But that kinda patchwork never makes people feel good. They'd rather the whole thing go to hell and then get cleaned up. That's much more cathartic. It's also a big part of what got us Trump...
not entirely. You're never going to get completely rid of the ruling class. You're just not. That's because people are allowed to give their offspring their possessions when they die and those advantages accumulate over generations. I suppose we could go full Sparta and separate children from their parents and make everyone truly the equal from birth. But somehow I don't think that'd fly. It's also not the best solution.
The solution was and still is a heavily regulated economy that limits wealth inequality by taxing and redistributing wealth. We've been calling that socialism for at least a 150 years. Raise the marginal tax rate back to 90%. There's been exactly 1 time in history when the working class did well (not counting a slim merchant class). That was when a large organization (gov't) stepped in, took money from the ruling class and gave it to the the working class. It happened after WWII.
Raise minimum Wage to 15/hr. Accelerate automation and then implement basic income. And for God's sake get over our fear and hate that somebody might have a good life without punching a clock 40-60 hours a week and toiling away in misery. Do that or you're going to have the ruling class crushing you to maintain their power like they've done for 5 thousand years of recorded history.
But I don't expect them to back it up with actions. Mainly I don't expect then to end visa abuse. They can't bring back manufacturing. There's too much automation. Bringing it back just means a few dozen engineers...
I'll say it's mostly an R thing. There are some folks on the D side like Warren, Alan Greyson and (sorta kinda) Bernie (yeah, I know he's running as an I, but come on, he's so tight with the Ds the whole I thing is just to keep them on their toes). I haven't once seen anyone from the R side raise the issue of income inequality except to say it's either a) not real or b) the fault of anyone making less for not working hard enough. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I literally don't know of any. Maybe John Boehner, but he retired.
than other minorities in America. A study had controlled for family, education & environmental factors and found that, by and large, it was because for some reason they weren't constant victims of institutionalized racism. It had nothing to do with tough parenting and some nebulous "values". We just didn't shit on them like we do the blacks and Latinos. If I had to guess I'd say that's why those demographics are doing better. If nothing else we've made a lot of progress in that area.
and he can't even land an interview. He's had to go through dodgy contracting outfits that take 50% of his pay. Crap work too. He doesn't make it through the HR filters.
Make no mistake. It's not like it was 20 years ago. Sure, if you've got a few decades of experience and a network of friends you might get by without a degree. But that doesn't apply to an 18 year old fresh out of high school. It's 2017 and they'll never get the chance to get experienced. Why the hell would I hire somebody without a college degree when all I have to do is go crying to congress and their give me as many H1-Bs as I want (since I couldn't find anybody with the proper experience: in this case a college degree).
and was surprised they covered it until they blunted the impact of the story by going on about how millennials eat out a lot and have lots of gadgets (read:cell phones). Just another Straw Man argument. I'm embarrassed to say I fell for it. I started to argue with their Straw Man trying to justify millennial's purchasing decisions until I realized that how they spend money has nothing to do with their declining wages.
It's amazing the lengths the media goes to these days to avoid acknowledging growing wealth inequality. Not really surprising when you consider who owns them. As always, follow the money...
talking about this now. The next gen of automation will be flexible and it will adapt. It'll use complex AIs, improved materials and robotics to allow processes to change rapidly as needed. It took about 50-70 years longer to get to this point than we thought. But we're just about there. There's some algorithms to work out and we need slightly better batteries and materials. All of which are available and just waiting new processes to mass produce. This is all in the pipeline; and not that joke pipeline about how when a scientist says it's 5 years off he means he's done the fun part. It's coming soon. 20 years tops.
This happened before in the 1800s and we didn't do anything. I wish we'd actually do something this time...
to make them compete with machines? Studio apartments? 2, 4 people to a studio? No running water? No electricity? How about food insecurity? How far down will you push them just so you can maintain the puritan work ethic and so you can claim the spoils of civilization yourself? History says you'll let them starve. Or if you won't you'll lose out in the marketplace to someone who will.
but we're not talking about Obama, we're talking about Giuliani and Trump. You know, the shmucks your kind just elected.
The moral of the story is you can pay people slave wages if there's enough of them out of work.
You're glossing over decades of unemployment, intense poverty and violence used to contain the poor. All of which is completely unnecessary. And You and I won't be richer in 50 years. We'll be dead or dying. That's not hyperbole, that's life expectancy.
There was decades of mass unemployment following the industrial revolution until wars did enough damage and killed enough people. Sorry man, but you're being hopelessly naive.
they made millions while waiting for CVS to put this out. So what lesson? Maybe charge more?
As the saying goes: We've already established what you are. Now we're just negotiating.
Maybe I'm just being bitter, but after 30 years of them putting people in charge who oppose extending healthcare to all well, they made their bed (and mine). Go sleep in it.
stupid science; ruined the joke.
did they start out in need of shooting? Were they born that way? If not, what made them that way? If they were just born that way is it OK to abort them once science is sufficiently advanced to identify them (anime nerds, see Psycho Pass).
without coming right out and saying: We're laying you off (or worse, paying unemployment claims). What's embarrassing is that a company as large as Yahoo stooped to that level...
and my family dies of heart attacks in their MID 60s. Those are odds I'll play. Especially at my income level and with a kid in college. As for the kid, well she's on her own after she graduates. It's all I can do to pay for the damn thing.