for posting bits of cartoon girls with bouncy boobs than Republicans. Youtube bans what the advertisers don't like. Blame the advertisers if you don't like it.
is fucking with them and basically just put a right wing whack job in charge of the country in clear defiance of the will of the people. Seriously, google it. We've been fucking with them like crazy and the American Voter (yes, that includes you) looking the other way.
This is the one thing I'm scared of: will the ruling class let us have Democracy. So far with Gerrymandering and Voter Suppression the answer has been 'no'. But but guys like you haven't been trying very hard. Maybe if you did....
right? I just want to make sure we're on the same page. You're telling me people should be effectively disenfranchised. That you're OK with Voter Suppression.
I'd like to say you don't know what you're saying, but I get the idea that you know exactly what you mean. Like I said elsewhere, I'm not a strong enough person to get guys like you to understand the ramifications of your mistake. All I can hope for is that other people will read your post and be so appalled by it they'll react against it and marginalize you, make you not matter.
Sad thing is you're kind's useful to the billionaires. You vote how they tell you when they tell you and fight to keep anyone else from voting....
when you're out for jury duty. If you live paycheck to paycheck jury duty can cause you to fall behind on bills. You lose $40 bucks in pay, get an over draft or take a payday loan and before you know it you're screwed. If you're poor and get stuck on a jury then you can pretty much kiss anything you have goodby. Folks have lost cars, apartments and houses over it.
Basically we've got millions of people who are one car payment away from homelessness (no car == no job == no place to live). The threat Jury duty's low pay is a big part of what keeps them from voting.
The right wing took over the Democratic party. It happened when Clinton moved the party right to win the presidency (he needed a ton of money and couldn't get the big money donations without selling us out). Take Al Franklin, a real lefty. He was shut down by Kamala Harris and other right wing women to pave the way for her presidential bid.
Speaking as a White guy, White Privilege is real. Us White Guys are painfully aware of it. We've had decades of preferential treatment in loans, school admissions, job interviews and the like. I'm not going to argue this point, it's a historic fact. Go google a bit and educate yourself.
But thing is, so the fuck what? Your angry at people for pointing out that you started on first base, but you should be mad at the billionaires who not only started on third but sent armed goons around to kick you back to home plate (and kick your teeth in while your at it).
I keep saying this, your enemy isn't the fat chick who runs your local women's studies dept. She's powerless unless you sign up for her class, and here's a trick, just take Chinese History. It meets the requirement for "multi-culture" and it's chalk full of manly wars. Your enemy is the guy who sits on a gold throne and tells you he's a man of the people.
You've been had buddy. I know that's gotta make you pissed to think it, but the sooner you face facts the sooner you can do something about it.
seeing as how they get more federal tax dollars than they pay in. California & New York pretty much make the US work.
You're right about the Authoritarian Oligarchic Kleptocracy, but the solution isn't less voters, it's _more_ voters. Progressive, pro-worker policies poll in the 70s. Those include single payer healthcare, legalized drugs, college for all (good even if you're not in college, since it keeps the young'uns out of the job market for a bit so they compete less with us aging/.ers). What we need is to get people to the polls.
To do that we should follow Obama's suggestion: Make voting mandatory. I can't tell you how many folks I know don't vote because their vote's suppressed. The most common one is jury duty. In most jurisdictions they pull first from the voter rolls. Working class Americans can't afford Jury duty. 60-80% (depending on how you run the numbers) live paycheck to paycheck. Add to that voting on a Tuesday, the Electoral college & Senate, and voter registration purges and you've got around 20-30% of the population effectively disenfranchised.
The best way to have Democracy is to have _everyone_ vote. When voting is mandatory then you can't use cheats to stop people from voting.
where he said he'd pay the legal fees of anyone who beat up a Democrat? Or how about all those alt-right rallies where they showed up with weapons. One guy ran over Dem protesters with his car. You guys are violent as hell.
You've let neo-nazis and white supremacists into your party. Heck, you even helped them legitimize by calling them the "Alt-Right". What did you think was gonna happen when you did that?
it's because the left can't really attack him for consensual sex (that's not a bad thing to the left) and the right wing press doesn't care what he does so long as he keeps doing their economic agenda (low taxes for corporations, cut regulations, etc).
If Trump every seriously tried to deliver on the progressive promises he made he'd be shut down, just like Clinton was when he signaled he might do single payer.
there is no storm. Clinton had a right wing media machine who wanted to shut down the couple of progressive policies he had (Clinton was pretty right wing, but there was a change Hilary was going to give us single payer healthcare before she went full on Republican lite).
The media doesn't harp on Trump/Stormy because the left don't care (it was consensual). The Right are looking the other way because Trump's doing what they want (tax cuts for corps & well to do, regulation cuts, etc). They're not going to rally their base against him since he's one of theirs. If Trump ever tried to make good on those promises of Universal Healthcare you'd see a very, very different reaction from the right wing press.
It's an old Soviet Era attack. Take your own party's faults (in this case a reliance on violence and oppression) and accuse the other party of them. Karl Rove of the GOP perfected it and used it to win election after election. The most famous example was when he got a draft dodger elected over a vet who was missing his legs.
You can't win against it. It's a play on emotions. Best thing to do is just call it out when you see it so folks will learn to recognize it.
to prevent informed people from voting. This is why older folks are such a valuable demographic.
I've told this story before. Where I am the local power company wanted to end the practice of paying solar power users for their extra power. Only thing is, that was very, very popular. Their law didn't have a chance of passing.
Well pass it did. How you ask? They ran these ads see. There were a bunch of older folks sitting around a table talking about something. Something scary. At no time during the advert did anyone say what it was. At the end was an impassioned plea to vote yes and proposition such-and-such. It passed with room to spare, and the power companies no longer had to pay for the free solar.
Those are your "informed" voter. Meanwhile you need only spend a bit of time on google to see how bad voter suppression is in this country.
It's harder for the left because we _don't_ have propaganda. We've got no Rush Limbaugh. No Fox News. No CNN pretending to be middle of the road and then pushing trickle down economics on the sly. We've got no Sinclair media buying out all the stations.
Again, I don't think I can reach you. You've got the talking points from your right wing think tanks too down pat. You were ready to go with a rebuttal because they've given you all the answers. It's tough for me to compete with a multi-billion dollar right wing propaganda machine. And again, maybe I'll get to a few you're trying to mislead. Maybe even some day you'll follow that google search above and figure out Rush is lying to you. Or maybe the American empire will just carry on it's slow, Romanesque decline...
One things for sure: I definitely pushed your buttons. Somewhere in the back of your mind you know something wrong with that propaganda you've been spoon fed. I guess I'll chalk that up as a win.
ask "Should the Baker be FORCED" then you'll get a lot of 'No's'.
ask "Should the Baker be allowed to refuse service" and you'll get a lot of 'No's'
The end result is the same. LGBTQs are denied access to a public resource (in this case a publicly available bake shop).
Me? I just replace the word "LGBTQ" with "White Male Christian" and if I would say "that shouldn't be allowed" then there's my answer. Once you can use religion to discriminate you can do damn near anything. It'll start with baking cakes and end with riots and apartheid.
the "wrong" sort shouldn't be allowed to vote. They won't say it out loud though. They hide behind euphemisms. Most commonly they say that voting should take some work because if you're not willing to put the effort in you shouldn't be voting. This starts a discussion about how hard it should be to vote and distracts from the basic issue, which is voter suppression. It's a very effective straw man argument.
What it comes down to is conservatives want to keep progressives out of the political system. America's entire system is built to do that. It's why we have a Senate and Electoral college. We don't like to talk about it because we preach Democracy heavily. For some folks they can't even wrap their heads around how little actual Democracy exists in America.
with 30 minutes on google. It's not hard at all if you just focus on issues. As for removing polls from campus, google.
I said this elsewhere in this thread but, well, nothing I say is going to convince you. You've already decided that some people shouldn't be allowed to vote and that it's acceptable to place barriers in their way to prevent them from voting. You're in favor of Voter Suppression. That's such an extreme and negative position that I don't know how to shake you from it.
The best we can hope for is that you're in the minority and that as more folks become aware of Voter Suppression it will be ended. And maybe someday you'll come around on your own.
left and right while moving polling away from campuses. This isn't propaganda, it's fact.
You know what HuffPo is and you know their anacronym so you're pretty politically aware. That means you don't get to plead ignorance. Listing facts isn't going to change your mind. You're complicit with voter suppression, having decided that some people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they disagree with you.
What I hate about folks like you is you won't just come out and say "I don't like Democracy". You hide behind talking points to fool people. You need to be called out more often. Democracy is good, but only when _everyone_ votes. Otherwise it turns into oligarchy. Maybe that's good for you, but not most of us.
in the United States voter suppression makes this moot. For one thing young people don't like to register because it increases the odds you get jury duty. Polling places are kept away from college campus, student Ids are not valid voter Id (while gun permits are). The list goes on and on.
Young folks aren't just lazy and stupid. There's a concerted effort by the powers that be to keep them from voting.
Also, you're straw manning. The point is that it's not the guy that hassles you for the pocket knife on your key chain who's oppressing you, it's the billionaire who destabilized the middle east for profit and hegemony and thereby created a climate where terrorists thrive. Stop wasting your time and energy on folks who are barely even small potatoes just because they're the ones you see. Look past that to the root cause.
you're made at the barely-more-than-min-wage drone that runs the computers. You should be mad at the Aristocracy that is abusing you through those computers.
I should also add that your misplace anger is not an accident
one day. But it's not usually like that. You'll feel the negative health affects (and the included pain) long before you're dead. Nobody likes hearing granpa complain about his aches and pains though so you don't hear much about it.
to make a large enough organization to tell the US to go fuck themselves? Funny how there's this campaign backed by billionaires who make liberal use of tax shelters to kill the EU...
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for posting bits of cartoon girls with bouncy boobs than Republicans. Youtube bans what the advertisers don't like. Blame the advertisers if you don't like it.
is fucking with them and basically just put a right wing whack job in charge of the country in clear defiance of the will of the people. Seriously, google it. We've been fucking with them like crazy and the American Voter (yes, that includes you) looking the other way.
This is the one thing I'm scared of: will the ruling class let us have Democracy. So far with Gerrymandering and Voter Suppression the answer has been 'no'. But but guys like you haven't been trying very hard. Maybe if you did....
right? I just want to make sure we're on the same page. You're telling me people should be effectively disenfranchised. That you're OK with Voter Suppression.
I'd like to say you don't know what you're saying, but I get the idea that you know exactly what you mean. Like I said elsewhere, I'm not a strong enough person to get guys like you to understand the ramifications of your mistake. All I can hope for is that other people will read your post and be so appalled by it they'll react against it and marginalize you, make you not matter.
Sad thing is you're kind's useful to the billionaires. You vote how they tell you when they tell you and fight to keep anyone else from voting....
when you're out for jury duty. If you live paycheck to paycheck jury duty can cause you to fall behind on bills. You lose $40 bucks in pay, get an over draft or take a payday loan and before you know it you're screwed. If you're poor and get stuck on a jury then you can pretty much kiss anything you have goodby. Folks have lost cars, apartments and houses over it.
Basically we've got millions of people who are one car payment away from homelessness (no car == no job == no place to live). The threat Jury duty's low pay is a big part of what keeps them from voting.
The right wing took over the Democratic party. It happened when Clinton moved the party right to win the presidency (he needed a ton of money and couldn't get the big money donations without selling us out). Take Al Franklin, a real lefty. He was shut down by Kamala Harris and other right wing women to pave the way for her presidential bid.
Speaking as a White guy, White Privilege is real. Us White Guys are painfully aware of it. We've had decades of preferential treatment in loans, school admissions, job interviews and the like. I'm not going to argue this point, it's a historic fact. Go google a bit and educate yourself.
But thing is, so the fuck what? Your angry at people for pointing out that you started on first base, but you should be mad at the billionaires who not only started on third but sent armed goons around to kick you back to home plate (and kick your teeth in while your at it).
I keep saying this, your enemy isn't the fat chick who runs your local women's studies dept. She's powerless unless you sign up for her class, and here's a trick, just take Chinese History. It meets the requirement for "multi-culture" and it's chalk full of manly wars. Your enemy is the guy who sits on a gold throne and tells you he's a man of the people.
You've been had buddy. I know that's gotta make you pissed to think it, but the sooner you face facts the sooner you can do something about it.
seeing as how they get more federal tax dollars than they pay in. California & New York pretty much make the US work.
/.ers). What we need is to get people to the polls.
You're right about the Authoritarian Oligarchic Kleptocracy, but the solution isn't less voters, it's _more_ voters. Progressive, pro-worker policies poll in the 70s. Those include single payer healthcare, legalized drugs, college for all (good even if you're not in college, since it keeps the young'uns out of the job market for a bit so they compete less with us aging
To do that we should follow Obama's suggestion: Make voting mandatory. I can't tell you how many folks I know don't vote because their vote's suppressed. The most common one is jury duty. In most jurisdictions they pull first from the voter rolls. Working class Americans can't afford Jury duty. 60-80% (depending on how you run the numbers) live paycheck to paycheck. Add to that voting on a Tuesday, the Electoral college & Senate, and voter registration purges and you've got around 20-30% of the population effectively disenfranchised.
The best way to have Democracy is to have _everyone_ vote. When voting is mandatory then you can't use cheats to stop people from voting.
where he said he'd pay the legal fees of anyone who beat up a Democrat? Or how about all those alt-right rallies where they showed up with weapons. One guy ran over Dem protesters with his car. You guys are violent as hell.
You've let neo-nazis and white supremacists into your party. Heck, you even helped them legitimize by calling them the "Alt-Right". What did you think was gonna happen when you did that?
it's because the left can't really attack him for consensual sex (that's not a bad thing to the left) and the right wing press doesn't care what he does so long as he keeps doing their economic agenda (low taxes for corporations, cut regulations, etc).
If Trump every seriously tried to deliver on the progressive promises he made he'd be shut down, just like Clinton was when he signaled he might do single payer.
there is no storm. Clinton had a right wing media machine who wanted to shut down the couple of progressive policies he had (Clinton was pretty right wing, but there was a change Hilary was going to give us single payer healthcare before she went full on Republican lite).
The media doesn't harp on Trump/Stormy because the left don't care (it was consensual). The Right are looking the other way because Trump's doing what they want (tax cuts for corps & well to do, regulation cuts, etc). They're not going to rally their base against him since he's one of theirs. If Trump ever tried to make good on those promises of Universal Healthcare you'd see a very, very different reaction from the right wing press.
The EU was after that.
It's an old Soviet Era attack. Take your own party's faults (in this case a reliance on violence and oppression) and accuse the other party of them. Karl Rove of the GOP perfected it and used it to win election after election. The most famous example was when he got a draft dodger elected over a vet who was missing his legs.
You can't win against it. It's a play on emotions. Best thing to do is just call it out when you see it so folks will learn to recognize it.
to prevent informed people from voting. This is why older folks are such a valuable demographic.
I've told this story before. Where I am the local power company wanted to end the practice of paying solar power users for their extra power. Only thing is, that was very, very popular. Their law didn't have a chance of passing.
Well pass it did. How you ask? They ran these ads see. There were a bunch of older folks sitting around a table talking about something. Something scary. At no time during the advert did anyone say what it was. At the end was an impassioned plea to vote yes and proposition such-and-such. It passed with room to spare, and the power companies no longer had to pay for the free solar.
Those are your "informed" voter. Meanwhile you need only spend a bit of time on google to see how bad voter suppression is in this country.
It's harder for the left because we _don't_ have propaganda. We've got no Rush Limbaugh. No Fox News. No CNN pretending to be middle of the road and then pushing trickle down economics on the sly. We've got no Sinclair media buying out all the stations.
Again, I don't think I can reach you. You've got the talking points from your right wing think tanks too down pat. You were ready to go with a rebuttal because they've given you all the answers. It's tough for me to compete with a multi-billion dollar right wing propaganda machine. And again, maybe I'll get to a few you're trying to mislead. Maybe even some day you'll follow that google search above and figure out Rush is lying to you. Or maybe the American empire will just carry on it's slow, Romanesque decline...
One things for sure: I definitely pushed your buttons. Somewhere in the back of your mind you know something wrong with that propaganda you've been spoon fed. I guess I'll chalk that up as a win.
ask "Should the Baker be FORCED" then you'll get a lot of 'No's'.
ask "Should the Baker be allowed to refuse service" and you'll get a lot of 'No's'
The end result is the same. LGBTQs are denied access to a public resource (in this case a publicly available bake shop).
Me? I just replace the word "LGBTQ" with "White Male Christian" and if I would say "that shouldn't be allowed" then there's my answer. Once you can use religion to discriminate you can do damn near anything. It'll start with baking cakes and end with riots and apartheid.
the "wrong" sort shouldn't be allowed to vote. They won't say it out loud though. They hide behind euphemisms. Most commonly they say that voting should take some work because if you're not willing to put the effort in you shouldn't be voting. This starts a discussion about how hard it should be to vote and distracts from the basic issue, which is voter suppression. It's a very effective straw man argument.
What it comes down to is conservatives want to keep progressives out of the political system. America's entire system is built to do that. It's why we have a Senate and Electoral college. We don't like to talk about it because we preach Democracy heavily. For some folks they can't even wrap their heads around how little actual Democracy exists in America.
google a bit. You'll find 33 states have voter Id laws and all states use voter rolls to pick people for Jury duty.
with 30 minutes on google. It's not hard at all if you just focus on issues. As for removing polls from campus, google.
I said this elsewhere in this thread but, well, nothing I say is going to convince you. You've already decided that some people shouldn't be allowed to vote and that it's acceptable to place barriers in their way to prevent them from voting. You're in favor of Voter Suppression. That's such an extreme and negative position that I don't know how to shake you from it.
The best we can hope for is that you're in the minority and that as more folks become aware of Voter Suppression it will be ended. And maybe someday you'll come around on your own.
left and right while moving polling away from campuses. This isn't propaganda, it's fact. You know what HuffPo is and you know their anacronym so you're pretty politically aware. That means you don't get to plead ignorance. Listing facts isn't going to change your mind. You're complicit with voter suppression, having decided that some people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they disagree with you.
What I hate about folks like you is you won't just come out and say "I don't like Democracy". You hide behind talking points to fool people. You need to be called out more often. Democracy is good, but only when _everyone_ votes. Otherwise it turns into oligarchy. Maybe that's good for you, but not most of us.
in the United States voter suppression makes this moot. For one thing young people don't like to register because it increases the odds you get jury duty. Polling places are kept away from college campus, student Ids are not valid voter Id (while gun permits are). The list goes on and on.
Young folks aren't just lazy and stupid. There's a concerted effort by the powers that be to keep them from voting.
it's useless. Don't attack the body, attack the head.
why, that's $16/hr.
Also, you're straw manning. The point is that it's not the guy that hassles you for the pocket knife on your key chain who's oppressing you, it's the billionaire who destabilized the middle east for profit and hegemony and thereby created a climate where terrorists thrive. Stop wasting your time and energy on folks who are barely even small potatoes just because they're the ones you see. Look past that to the root cause.
you're made at the barely-more-than-min-wage drone that runs the computers. You should be mad at the Aristocracy that is abusing you through those computers.
I should also add that your misplace anger is not an accident
one day. But it's not usually like that. You'll feel the negative health affects (and the included pain) long before you're dead. Nobody likes hearing granpa complain about his aches and pains though so you don't hear much about it.
to make a large enough organization to tell the US to go fuck themselves? Funny how there's this campaign backed by billionaires who make liberal use of tax shelters to kill the EU...
that just targets US companies. Make it a global minimum for _all_ corporations and end this race to the bottom.
is that they will never lose their crown and the central hub for all vehicle manufacturing. Nope. Never. Not gonna happen.