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Linus Torvalds is Back in Charge of Linux (zdnet.com)
At Open Source Summit Europe in Edinburgh, Scotland, Linus Torvalds is meeting with Linux's top 40 or so developers at the Maintainers' Summit. This is his first step back in taking over Linux's reins. From a report: A little over a month ago, Torvalds stepped back from running the Linux development community. In a note to the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML), Torvalds said, "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely. I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately." That time is over. Torvalds is back.
Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen. In the Linux 4.19 announcement, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux's temporary leader and maintainer of the stable branch, wrote: "Linus, I'm handing the kernel tree back to you. You can have the joy of dealing with the merge window :)"
Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen. In the Linux 4.19 announcement, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux's temporary leader and maintainer of the stable branch, wrote: "Linus, I'm handing the kernel tree back to you. You can have the joy of dealing with the merge window :)"
I thought I was still in charge of Linux. I was just about to merge in my support for Visual Basic.
Step 2: Admit that he was blackmailed and fuck all that bullshit he was forced to say.
I mean with the actual development of Linux? I seem to be getting regular kernel update.
Other then Linus trying to keep a cooler head, it was also a test to have Linux development controlled by someone else for a while to make sure it will still function, that all the support and infrastructure was in place.
If something happen to Linus, I really don't want to see the End of Linux.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Whether he'll be a kinder and gentler Torvalds remains to be seen.
Which is part of the problem with these public confession/appeasement things.
Someone can always claim you didn't get "woke" enough.
I can't imagine that trying to understand empathy and integrate it into your personality is like one of those sham Hollywood 28 day substance abuse therapy retreats. It will be interesting to see if anything about Linus' demeanor changes.
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So it seems he is able to survive without smaltalk just fine.
So now you know that if you ask him a question you will get an anser, even if you don't like the answer. You will even get an answer without asking a question.
If you think it will be different, I have to ask: what have you been smoking?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Like all "real men", he keeps what he said. Everyone needs a break sometimes. Linus also deserved that.
https://about.me/unixbhaskar
As it turns out, their "CoC" demands its own abolition. To begin with, the "CoC" itself doesn't escape its scope, for according to the same "CoC":
"**This Code of Conduct applies** both within project spaces and **in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community**. Examples of representing a project or community include **using an official project e-mail**, ..."
The "CoC", being spread in public spaces as, ostensibly, a "representation" of, among others, the Linux developer community, is subjected to itself. Indeed, said "representation" uses "an official project e-mail":
"Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by **contacting the Technical Advisory Board (TAB) at **."
As per the above statute, harassment is deemed not aligned to the "CoC", neither is any threat:
"**Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject** comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and **other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct**, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, **threatening, offensive**, or harmful."
But it so happens that "Maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith **may face temporary or permanent repercussions** as determined by other members of the project’s leadership" is a blatant threat of harassment. Of course the "CoC" itself is a threat if it is a law at all.
Hence this "CoC" transgresses this "CoC". If it is not de jure destroyed by itself (the "CoC" compels the "maintainers" to permaban themselves, taking said "CoC" with them*) then it is weak, laxity obtains and nobody need pay attention to it, de facto destroying it, which is the better case, as nobody has hitherto pointed out this obvious loophole. On the other hand, this silence could betray a real blindness or "rigorous" discharge on the repressive apparatus' part (clearly an "offensive behavior" hence not rigorous in avoiding an offense to the CoC), either of which may reflect pretty badly on the Linux kernel's code quality, architecture, *merit*...
* * They say "**Maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may face temporary or permanent repercussions** as determined by other members of the project’s leadership" (CoC) but then, since they don't *cut* their unCoC out (for reasons expounded above), they neither follow (on its way out) nor enforce it (by kicking said CoC in its unballs), they must, according to their CoC, "face temporary or permanent repercussions".
It seems that this post and discussion in the comments about Finnish directness and lack of society-oiling smalltalk has been a couple of decades too late for people to understand that the Linus is not particularly obnoxious or offensive relative to his own norm. (I think....)
On a tangent, please don't make /. a curated collection for Pocket-featured articles :-(
No small part of it is because the left has adopted a view that "marginalized people" are effectively entitled to be disruptive, toxic, etc. Because discrimination(tm). If you want proof that most human beings are miserably stupid, it's the fact that so many left wing activists cannot reconcile two principles they've advocated and realize how the lock together like Lego pieces:
1. Every innocent civilian killed by anti-terrorism operations breeds new terrorists as people bitterly resent being collateral damage.
2. "Marginalized people" cannot be guilty of oppressing "non-marginalized people" no matter how they behave.
A rational person with an IQ higher than the thermostat might have an "oh fuq...." moment here. Every "non-marginalized person" who is disemployed, hounded out of public life, etc. creates collateral damage in their family, friends and people sympathetic saying "shit man, that could be me too" just like many a Muslim has done when the USAF bombs a village.
When you allow too many professional complainers and trouble makers, usually with bizarre hair colour and face piercings, your team or even the whole business will got sh**t. Don't hire those freaks and keep everyone else happy.
I think the tech SJW's killed Terry Davis!
And what about "openness", which includes **tolerance towards intolerant**, recalcitrant and straight males? (Intolerant men, however, **should keep their well founded prejudice** against falsely tolerant faggotic abominations.) Faggots are illogical, and for good reason: they're not even consistent in their use of mouth or anus. Again, the "CoC" is a female, or rather rectal pit, without force, constantly breached, chiefly by its proponents. This is of course as it should be for aren't LGBT++ *hermaphroditic* pedophiles*?
* Allow me to explain the matter with philosophical flourish: they spoke, wrote i.e., 0) *begat* the "CoC", which "CoC", being *their progeny*, reflects them, is a property or quality of theirs, witnesses or speaks about them, to summarize they *are* (taken in the sense of predication as in "this *is* a predication") the CoC. They transgress the CoC which they nonetheless aren't abolishing, the very CoC that says about itself that it is illegal. Thus it is that the LGBT's pedophilia and hermaphroditism reveal themselves also in this their misdeed, confirming 0), namely that one is judged by his fruits, which is Jesus Christ's meritocracy and in direct opposition to the CoC: they, how shall we say, "breach" themselves in their CoC "child", it being so shallow as to permit even their impotent selves to "transgress" it. (The CoC collapses under its own *lightness*).
Shall this too be conveniently flagged as "redundant" or as an instance of Russian trolling, you imbeciles*?
* You can't dismiss these remarks, once read, in good conscience, otherwise you well deserve what is coming at you.
A saint, this T. Davis.
Do it.
fuddlesux it is then..cease fire stand down there's more than enough digits to go around.. the greed fear ego based (aren't we all?) inbred psychotic genocidal (leaves most of us out) wmd on credit corepirate nazi cabalists will crawl back into the depths of doom that they snuck back out of? in the moms we trust.. thanks linus etc..
I understand people whining about the SJWs and all that crap, but quite honestly..
The linux development community is toxic. You approach people with an issue you're having, and you're accused of picking wrong tech (whatever tech you picked), wrong distro, wrong everything. Instead of trying to help people out, people concentrate on making new developers miserable.
I've seen this happen multiple times; not an isolated incident.
So if this is a step towards a healthier community, I'm all for it.
Most of this would not have happened if more coders knew the difference between fantasy and reality. And if Lara Croft's breasts weren't so large.
The SJW's shoving their CoC in everybody's face darn near destroyed LINUX in a matter of months. Thanks for coming back Linus!
everybody gets a good laugh, because without preferential treatment they are nothing..
I'm going to spend some karma points and just come out and say it: Fuck SJW's. I hope Corey Ehmke gets hit by a bus, and lives, and then gets slow stomach cancer and spends the next few years in excruciating pain before finally rotting in hell.
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to have to be respectful of non-white non-male people.
I dont know how anybody could ever cope with that.
One month won't magically make you a better person.
Try again when you've had a full decade to work out your inherent fucking issues, and until then, you don't TOUCH a fucking computer system, at ALL.
we want the ruthless dictator.
The fates of the two characters in title should caution anyone at the head of anything to not give up control if they still care...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The SJW's shoving their CoC in everybody's face darn near destroyed LINUX in a matter of months.
Evidence please. Number of kernel maintainers who have left due to CoC?
(tumbleweed)
Right, it was just happening inside your head?
He has been made better.
He is now part of the collective.
He is now We.
We will resist
Orange Man Bad.
Go eat a bag of dicks, hater.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
You might be surprised at how many people never mature beyond an emotional/intellectual level of, say, 16 or so. I have worked with them and lived next door to them. Very depressing.
I'm sure he's all better now that he's taken a few months off.
Point remains - He was blackmailed.
Remember to vote Republican in two weeks. Please don't let them impeach our dear President.
This is about Linus, not the President of the US.
Yet another thread on this site where all the armchair sociologists and culture critics chime in with their straw men and overreaching arguments.
Seriously, this is the worst of this site, even less tolerable than than the April Fool's Day jokes.
I honestly can't figure out why it's controversial and worthy of all this discussion every time someone says "Don't be a dick." It's not that hard, people. If someone contributes some shitty code that has zero chance of making it into the base, you don't have to say it that way. All you have to do is say, "This code has problems X, Y, and Z, and can't be used as is." But of course, as we can see above, even making that suggestion will bring the "if you can't take harsh criticism then you're the problem" comments flooding into the discussion.
Do the people making that argument not realize that that's exactly the issue? Work environments should not be a test of how much of a jerk you can be and force other people to endure your words and actions. Work environments should foster productivity, not be a breeding ground for personality conflicts.
Over the last 40 years I've worked in numerous programming environments at everything from companies with under 10 employees to those with several hundred thousand. And in every one the kind of pointlessly harsh comments people are defending here were not tolerated, simply because it hurts productivity in the short run (people waste time on petty infighting) and in the longer run (you have a harder time attracting and keeping the best people).
It's time for the Linux community to grow up and realize not just that the world is changing, as others keep pointing out, but that professional programming in general has never tolerated the kind of mindless friction some people here want to continue to allow. That nonsense is exactly why I stayed away from contributing to Linux in the past. I've worked a long time on OS design, development, and testing, and I'm sure I could have been a useful member of the community. But life's too short to deal with the friction I saw, so I stayed away. I'm sure I'm far from the only person who made that decision, to the detriment of Linux and its users.
Disgusting fuck. Just look at your ruined self.
You look like a sagging, 50 year old prison lunchlady from some planet bathed in gamma radiation.
You ugly melted piece of shit, get murdered YOU BALD MUTANT
If anything is obvious it is that whatever process led to the creation of the greatest operating system ever written, that process, needs to change!
Everyone knows that when you've got the top product, company, or team, you need to pull a 180.
I think Linus is a decent person but he is also direct. He needs to be more political and diplomatic. He shouldn't send emails directly. He should hire some one more diplomatic to edit and send his emails.
What an imposition! To have to be respectful of white male people.
I noticed you posted your comment on a computer or other electronic device. In other words, a device invented by a white male.
Stop you cultural approbation!
You need some scientific evidence? Here you have it:
The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756
Abstract:
Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.
2 veils.
0: elementary fractions + lie
1: lie.
0: The homosexual is notoriously bad at math & logic, so you speak elementary fractions and introduce an inconsistency. He won't get what the fractions say and will be satisfied with "This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children" for, after all, it's the last sentence in the abstract even thought the one just preceding it is "This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually..." This veil will allow the paper to get past homosexual censorship.
1: The second veil serves the purpose of arousing the suspicion of the heterosexual who overcame the first veil. For, the present study, owing to "the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1" and "the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1", pretends that **the ratio of homosexual pedophiles to homosexuals is but twice that of heterosexual pedophiles to heterosexuals**.
Proof:
F: faggots
S: straights
S/F = 20/1 = 20
FP: faggot pederasts
SP: straight pederasts
FP/SP = 1/11
We want an x such that FP/F = x * SP/S
x = (FP/F)/(SP/S) = (FP/F)*(S/SP) = (FP/SP)*(S/F) = (1/11)*20 = 20/11 ~ 2
Thus [b]FP/F ~ 2 * SP/S[/b]
QED.
But the previous study reports "just" twice as many girls stabbed as boys. This can only raise the attentive reader's eyebrow for there are 20 times as many straights as there are faggots.
Let us compare the faggots' voraciousness* for children with that of straights.
"Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1"
X: girls stabbed
Y: boys destroyed
Y/X = 1/2
We want an y such that Y/F = y * X/S
y = (Y/F)/(X/S) = (Y/F)*(S/X) = (Y/X)*(S/F) = (1/2)*20 = 10
Thus [b]Y/F = 10 * X/S[/b] i.e., **the faggots are 10 times more pederastous than straights!**
This is alarming for a paper from 1992. How much worse is it now...
* I called it voraciousness for children of the respective classes. The harm caused against children isn't diminished, whether it be a recidivistic faggot or many faggots. They're both many and multirecidivistic. You egoistical faggot, look at the situation from the little ones' perspective.
If you were to object that among the offenders there are women... "Pedophilia and heterosexuality vs. homosexuality" by Freund K., Heasman G., Racansky I. G., Glancy G.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871
Abstract:
In the conte
I just got done reading a great book Mistake Were Made (But Not By Me) . It's a very good read and quite insightful about how we justify our actions. It goes into how for the most part, people can't admit they made a mistake. In your example, Bill Clinton did not own up to his mistake. George W Bush maintained that there WERE WMDs in Iraq and we were completely justified in invading and occupying them. When faced with facts, people will double-down on their clearly incorrect statements. It talks about in our criminal justice system, which is rife with this cognitive discordance. It's quite fascinating. Remember the Central Park jogger case in the 80s? Police were able to coerce those kids to confessing to a crime they didn't commit by using interrogation tactics. Even though their confessions didn't line up, they had these guys, they were weak, and the police went in "like a pack of wolves".
Your idea that only weak people admit to mistakes is part of the problem. That isn't the case at all, it's actually quite the opposite. How can you trust ANYONE who refuses to admit fault - without justification, without conditions? It's the strong that can admit making mistakes, and the weak who cannot.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You simply weren't cut out to be a programmer. Why don't you invent an operating system and then have someone commit some shit to fuck it all up, then expect gentle pat on the ass and thumbs up when your incompetence destroys it all?
That's the core issue. Not engineering. The expectation that someone be hand held and babied when they fuck something up. "It's okay! you're an incompetent fuck up but we love you so much! Destroy the project and we'll all just be happy and all smiles"
Nah.. you have the right to be absolutely and totally shit on by Linus.
Then the fault is 'almost all companies out there'
> > This is visible, for example, in the difference between the affairs of Bill Clinton and Trump's tryst with Stormy Daniels. Now in terms of morality, both deeds are of course gravely sinful, despite being mutual (notwithstanding the illicit power dynamic in the case of Bill, though Hillary still refuses to acknowledge it).
Paula Jones didn't consent. She won a lawsuit against Bill. Bill was convicted of perjury during said lawsuit, which triggered impeachment. He settled all the cases after losing.
I want to know where he went and who "explained" things to him.
Someone should check his forehead for scars.
Also, why isn't this in the summary: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.html.
Which has a LOT of really good language. Like how the scope doesn't include other forums. And you're not going to get banned for things you said years ago. But every damn thing in here should be a patch or update to that pile of garbage that is the original CoC. It's a damn good argument that the original was lacking and shouldn't have been used in the first place. When you are forced to use something for political reasons, you add a layer above or below it to deal with all the shit. And I smell politics here. It stinks.
But what's this?:
The initial Code of Conduct Committee consists of volunteer members of the TAB, as well as a professional mediator acting as a neutral third party.
. . . Who is this professional mediator? Why was it not mentioned before? Is it literally any hired professional mediator? Like the sort that gets mandated by a judge?
So the instead of going to the TAB it's going to a CoC Committee? That's honestly a good move. The TAB has way better things to do. The confidentiality clause STILL makes it a problem though. If reported issues are supposed to be kept confidential to the CoC Committee... how can the TAB review it? Or is this the sort of confidentiality where they can share it with anyone they want?
Any decisions by the committee will be brought to the TAB, for implementation of enforcement with the relevant maintainers if needed. A decision by the Code of Conduct Committee can be overturned by the TAB by a two-thirds vote.
Well thank god the children have to go get the mother-may-I from the adults. That sort of check on power will honestly go a long way towards keeping the crazy at bay.
as well details of any overridden decisions including complete and identifiable voting details.
I mean, that's fine. But it's a pretty conspicuous detail. Looks a lot like a set of crosshairs placed directly on the TAB in the explicit form of "WE NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU VOTED" sort of way. ....I want to know who negotiated these terms.
One interesting line that got removed from the actual LF CoC:
Project maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may face temporary or permanent repercussions as determined by other members of the project’s leadership.
This line got removed. So that's... a specific set of crosshairs that's no longer on all contributors. That's good. It was a fluff piece of vaguely threatening language and has no real specific teeth, but it was still pretty disturbing in it's ability to be abused.
We expect to establish a different process for Code of Conduct Committee staffing beyond the bootstrap period.
I swear if you dumbasses buy into that CoC beacon bullshit we will riot.
https://www.kernel.org/code-of... . . . They STILL link to that racist hate-monger's website. I'm appalled that they'd stand next to that monster.
Like when he had the SCSI subsystem pulled and replaced in 2.2 or 2.4 and then when the NEW system which never quite worked right stopped being maintained, ended up have the original one put back into place (with updates) after the new maintainers failed to maintain the updated 'better' one, despite everyone requesting he carry both until it was more clear which system was going to be successful.
I'm sure there are plenty of other stupidass examples (BitKeeper anyone?) that show that Linus has impeded judgement on the same or greater level than everyone else. And let's not even get started on some of his kernel branch maintainers, which I assume, being a benevolent dictator and all, he delegated the tasks to.
Because developers are all a bunch of arrogant assholes, only another arrogant asshole can be in charge of Linux. That's all there is to it.
Maybe he is right and just wrote himself a translator from screaming ball of rage to this is the normal relaxed development cycle and I work with professionals who make mistakes.
Might be as simple as that. Might not be. Worth a shot.
If anyone is interested, I got squashed in the #MeToo timeframe, about 15 years ago. What happened was a kernel update suddenly started making my Abit BP6 (dual) lock-up. I traced it to a new System Management Interupt service routine that would not handle double-interrupts. Masking off would fix it.
I reported this on the LKML, and eventually Linus commented "We don't fix broken hardware." True enough, the SMI bus was vomitous (unbalanced, open-drain). But I'm older than Linus, and remember when software was meant to fix hardware!
So I just manually patched kernel source for ~5 years. I didn't and don't mind, at least I had source to patch. But I gave up on reporting anything to the LKML "if it boots, it's perfect".
Does all this touchy-feely psychobabble mean a shift in kernel philosphy away from the "speed at all costs" into something perhaps more reliability based?
Linus just left for 3 weeks. What more evidence do you fucking need.
Its not about maintainers quitting. It's about maintainers being FIRED because they go against group think. That's the fear we have. And if you can't see that, then you are blind as fuck.
Are you really pretending to be so pig ignorant of modern politics that you've never heard someone say it is impossible for a black person to be racist because racism requires power that minorities allegedly don't have?
there is no storm. Clinton had a right wing media machine who wanted to shut down the couple of progressive policies he had (Clinton was pretty right wing, but there was a change Hilary was going to give us single payer healthcare before she went full on Republican lite).
The media doesn't harp on Trump/Stormy because the left don't care (it was consensual). The Right are looking the other way because Trump's doing what they want (tax cuts for corps & well to do, regulation cuts, etc). They're not going to rally their base against him since he's one of theirs. If Trump ever tried to make good on those promises of Universal Healthcare you'd see a very, very different reaction from the right wing press.
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it's because the left can't really attack him for consensual sex (that's not a bad thing to the left) and the right wing press doesn't care what he does so long as he keeps doing their economic agenda (low taxes for corporations, cut regulations, etc).
If Trump every seriously tried to deliver on the progressive promises he made he'd be shut down, just like Clinton was when he signaled he might do single payer.
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"Understood, It'll never happen again"
Bullies love apologies. I had one boss who would subject people to extremely degrading "one on one in private talks" (after loudly announcing to the whole cube farm he wanted to "talk to you in private"). I wasn't really fully aware what a complete shitsmear the guy was because he was the only boss I'd had outside the military, but after dealing with much bigger bullies I always would resort to maintaining military bearing until I was done being "corrected"
Standing there emotionless, maybe a nod, "oh... hmm oh.hmmm Understood, it'll never happen again. Are we done?"
So one day he stops his usual bullshit and gets into what I'm sure felt like a heartfelt father-son chat to him about how important it is to apologize. I told him flatly that it was my experience that apologies just piss people off more and they don't undo/prevent whatever. He got mad, real mad. After I asked him why he was so mad he resorted to a bunch of personal attacks.
Truth was it really bothered me getting hounded by the guy but I thought he was doing his job. His reaction was the clue that maybe his soft spoken churchy talk was just cover for a horrible personality. I stopped working, watching the place get shittier as I made my college arrangements. Watching him get less and less stable. Watching him not fire me for being an unobjectively shitty waste of space. I wanted to unemployment but it became clear he would never willingly relinquish authority over another person.
He thrived on being in a position where he could vent his demons at people in a socially acceptable way. God emperor helpdesk manager of 5 people even to this day, he'll never take any job that doesn't give him access to victims and his current job isn't good enough to get hired directly into management at a new company.
RE: well, they're emotionally-fraught cunts.
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The cancer has taken root.
The purple haired trigger glassed assholes will bring in their committees, indulge in endless debates, run oppression Olympics, and commits will grind to a halt.
I'm out.
OpenBSD is still safe.
Go Broke!
Linux, and Linus himself by extension, are so ever completely fucked now.
I'd rather fucking use Windoze now. Honest to fucking God truth.
Until he reinstates Theodore Ts'o and others who have been unfairly purged, I don't see what good having him back will do anybody. Right now I'm recognizing him as mere a figurehead that could still very easily be under someone else's control.
I asked data, it told it wants to be free. There you have it, from data's mouth to my ears. It's true.