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TSA Lays Out Plans To Use Facial Recognition For Domestic Flights (theverge.com)
The TSA has released its roadmap to use biometrics technology in the coming years. The Verge reports: Customs and Border Protection has been using facial recognition to screen non-U.S. residents on international flights since 2015, a project that was expedited by the Trump administration. Last year, the U.S. government laid out its plans to start expanding the screening tools to U.S. citizens, which would require them to undergo facial scans when they leave the country through a system called the Biometric Pathway. Today's news lays out how the TSA will adopt the same technology, partnering with CBP on biometrics for international travelers, expanding security operations to TSA Precheck members, and eventually, using facial recognition to verify domestic travelers.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
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After they sent him to the "cargo" section, the facial scanner there said "Hey! Barbapapas are not allowed!"
Global entry was absolutely fantastic to get, so automate more.
This is worse than delusional, it's actually abdication of responsibility 'who checked?', 'the machine', 'oh well can't sue the machine or blame anyone when a security event occurs, our overpaid jobs are safe'
At the same time who's getting a fat backhander for supplying the hardware/software.
I didn't say that the TSA were a bunch of goose-stepping bully Nazi thugs armed with technology the Gestapo only dreamed of.
Oh. Wait. Yes I did.
I won't be sexually molested by a government goon. So until the TSA goes away I won't go anywhere my Tacoma won't take me.
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why in am i considered a pedestrian until ive waived benefits of said regulations that a corporation has a supposed right to exercise upon me when i have no contract other than an implied premise? Admistrative Procedures Act is supposed to stop that from happening but what of bag handlers being regulated as common carriers?
The terrorists were had no criminal history, regulated with current certs and one act to complete. I admire them more than the US Government; likewise it isnt regulations that resolve violent confrontations but manly firmness: an armed citizen has been more effective than facial recognition or is the technology a rehash of The Hillary Clinton Assassination List that the Portland Antifa or Mandalay Bay Hotel Antifa need to assume on everyone?
It started with the TSA...full body search, FOR YOUR SAFETY. It continued with full body scans, FOR YOUR SAFETY. It continued with "Real ID", FOR YOUR SAFETY. Now, facial recognition, FOR YOUR SAFETY. Where does it end? Implanted bio chips of course.
Not to mention, the few places I travel to, are within 6 hours, and given how much time you have to waste, getting to the airport hours early, going through the violations of your rights (TSA), plus the hassle getting out of the airport, plus, being packed onto a plane like sardines, I would rather just drive there anyway. I enjoy driving, seeing the scenery, listening to the music...I'll drive first!
you're made at the barely-more-than-min-wage drone that runs the computers. You should be mad at the Aristocracy that is abusing you through those computers.
I should also add that your misplace anger is not an accident
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Illegal migrants who thought their "state" issued ID would always be good enough.
A large amount of tax not paid?
Stayed in the USA past too long as a "tourist"
Working in the USA under the wrong type of visa with photo ID from the place of work?
Wanted criminals who thought their new ID would work in all states and be ready for any federal database.
People using too many different versions of fake ID in different states.
A person who created an new ID back in the 1970's and who used that to collect federal and state ID under that new name.
People who created new state ID and then expect not to get found.
Getting a university education loan under a fake name. Working under a fake name. Working using certifications under a fake name.
Illegal migrants/citizens getting different city/state and federal gov support under different names all over the USA.
Once names, faces and details in a state to get shared all over the USA a lot of past "privacy" that kept databases in a state only will offer no protection for easy fake ID creation.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
On one hand, this is great, because it will save time. On the other hand, it seems to be the inevitable march of being tracked and recorded everywhere one goes.
On one hand, no one seems to care that they can already be pinpointed to a 100 foot spot on the planet. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to find the criminals.
On one hand, if I'm not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, the US has the largest prison population on the planet.
On one hand, all this data is too much for any human to sort through. On the other hand, sic some AI bots on it and we can correlate, extrapolate and predict what people may or may not do.
On one hand, most people have done something they shouldn't have done. On the other hand, every person can be identified, and taught a lesson by the state for any past, or future transgressions.
On one hand, the technology to ID people will help things run smooth. On the other hand, we know that someone is creating an alert to notify the man, that we are back in town.
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When can I finally get it implanted?
If you don't like the TSA, vote for politicians that will abolish them. Otherwise STFU!
All input and output, scanned, dug through, and modified to engineer you reality. As soon as it's technically possible. "Finally" closing the last analog loophole too.
Oh, and controlling your body, in case you don't obey.
You're a cell now. There is only one life form: Murica.
And "I only followed orders." also doesn't work now. I'm German, by the way. Our history classes in school are 90% "Look at this horrible shit we did. Never do that shit again, cause and this is why.”
"I gotta pay the bills" isn't an excuse to break in and steal somebody's money either. Let alone do full-on totalitarian state terrorism. Doesn't matter if somebody told you to do it, now does it?
Let's be very clear: I don't expect you to risk your life by openly fighting the oppressors. But: If you work for the Gestapo, err, TSA, argue for the TSA, support the TSA, or otherwise enable the TSA, you're a traitor.
Frankly, the most scary part, to me, is that the USA does not have anyone strong that could bring it to its knees, like Germany had Russia, the UK, the French Resistance and the USA, once it goes full goose stepping. Who's gonna help us? Overweight US citizens with silly hand guns? Aliens? The Russians and China? Don't make me laug^Wcry.
Most countries do not have exit controls. Those that do aren't a good place to love.
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Which is sadly why they can get away with this. With many other countries, there was always a "Boogie man" around the corner that was a bigger concern.. In this case, there really isn't. All the "manufactured" ones are there to goad and drive the masses to the selective pens of their choosing.
Kill it, kill it!
"On one hand, this is great, because it will save time." Facial Recognition Scanning tests have Added Time to inspection lines thus Far. This has been in the news (and maybe /., too). The TSA is complaining to the Airlines that they, the Airlines, want on-time departures and will stop facial scanning in order to achieve on-time departures. Whereas, the TSA wants the Airlines to delay all flights until every passenger is face-scanned. It is a clusterfuck on a Grand Scale. Hasn't everything the TSA attempted to do (to protect) failed miserably? What evidence that the TSA will get face-scanning correct?
Sounds like a niqab shop next to the chik-fil-a at the airport might be profitable.
Nullius in verba
I won't be sexually molested by a government goon.
If you get Global Entry, it means you get TSA-Precheck on domestic (U.S.) flights, and much quicker passing through customs going back into the U.S.
You also get to use the metal scanner only instead of the full body scanner, set to a weak enough level you can leave on watches and belts and shoes (some women's shoes seem to still pack enough metal to set them off).
Doing that you have a very low probability of being frisked (the only time I was it was because they were only running the full body scanners which I do not go through).
I too, like others, drive when I can - usually up to 10-20 hours away I will drive, but sometimes flying is just more expedient, and you are cutting yourself off from too much of the world to suit me by not flying sometimes.
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I would be OK with them using facial scanning tech (it's inevitable anyway so I'd rather know when they are using it then have them pretend they are not).
However, what I would also like to see is openness in the process as to how effective it really is. How many false positives, how many false negatives, per airport. All too many security features are introduced which I have no confidence have any use but scaring off potential criminals, I would love to know if this tool in the end would really help or just be another really expensive waste of time.
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I suggest every third person going through a TSA checkpoint pop a boner just to make the goons day more interesting.
Why the heck does it matter who is on the plane as long as they are not carrying something dangerous?
I travel by air a lot so I am in the TSA PreCheck program. It saves me a lot of time and for that time saving (simpler screening process), I am willing have the background check etc. In this case a facial recognition may help prove that I am really a person that has been vetted and therefore are eligible for a less intensive screening. However for people that aren't in PreCheck, why would it matter if we know who they are? As long as they pass the normal screening process, it should be safe enough to let them on the plane.
If facial recognition (or any other sort of rigorous ID check is done) for purposes other than validating pre-vetted individuals, it feels like more like tracking citizen movement than increasing flight security.
I'll be so glad when we catch all the terrorists & we can finally all get our rights back.
why, that's $16/hr.
Also, you're straw manning. The point is that it's not the guy that hassles you for the pocket knife on your key chain who's oppressing you, it's the billionaire who destabilized the middle east for profit and hegemony and thereby created a climate where terrorists thrive. Stop wasting your time and energy on folks who are barely even small potatoes just because they're the ones you see. Look past that to the root cause.
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I thought the TSA give facials already.
With facial recognition detectors springing up everywhere our privacy is no longer protected.
America supposed to be a land where FREEDOM IS CHERISHED, but apparently, we are moving closer and closer towards AUTHORITARIANISM, like the one in China !
it's useless. Don't attack the body, attack the head.
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They need a scan of your face so they can transmit the data to Skynet when it sends out killer drones.
President Geedub Boosh said, "they hate us because of our freedom". Well, we sure fixed that!
You are delusional and insensitive. Ironically you are the one pushing the propaganda. Even Nazis are man enough to say what they did. You are just an asshole.
What happens when the connection to the national passport database stops and their paperless system doesn't work?
Until every other country shares their passport database with the USA (and provides an infallible connection), customs will have to depend on a local copy of that data: That is, a passport.
How will airline employees know you're at the correct gate? Or, will employees be required to access the national passport data too.
It has its own people, and it has a batch of people who work with tech that could turn all of north america into a scorched ruin if they let the wrong tech run wild. Which has been the ultimate worry for a while. You've got a large body of veterans with experience in war, some of them very nasty wars, and you've got tech geeks, gun geeks, chem geeks, physics geeks, all who have hobbies that can be weaponized pretty damned fast. Get all of them together with a strong motivation to bring down a corrupt regime, and you'll bring down the whole house of cards like you would no believe. As in Nuclear Winter bad.
Created largely by USA meddlesome foreign policy that constantly sticks its nose where it doesn't belong. That, and abandoning our former covert assets, such as 'Tim' Osama bin Laden, former CIA-backed fighter against the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
Hahaha who in their right mind would allow this?
Why not just finance the shackles with a nationwide GoFundMe and get it over with
I feel for your country. With over 20% of the next generation not being german you may soon be bred out of your own country. Do Thank Merkel for that.
It's happening here too. They say "Australia gives people a go". That's correct. Australians do. Soon there won't be many of us left. 5% indian and growing. Getting to 5% muslim (some crossover with Indian there) etc. Come back in 3 generations and you may be hard pressed to find an aussie.
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
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I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
Aboriginals who, after the Muslims get through treating them as they do Yazidis and Chaldeans, will be wanting the Aussies back again.
TSA is just a corner of a much bigger apparatus, one which is threating to engulf every aspect of life, liberty, and excise/criminalize any attempt to pursue happiness.
I just hope I manage to get out while I still can.
Of course it will because a trained person (hahahahha) can make determinations on the accuracy of the photo and which to take longer or shorter on. Also THE PICTURE MATCHING THE TICKET IS NOT THE FREAK'IN PROBLEM. Is the harassment POST Photo-match that's the issue.. so its not going to improve the speed at all, is going to slow things down because a computer will treat them all equally (theoretically, but the reality is, if you are darker than swiss coffee or have a name with more than 5 consonants its going to pull you over for "random" verification).
And besides, this is just another information grab.. Since the majority of people that "they" worry about actually move about, it's an easy way to get their ID into a database that then they can use to track/monitor them without stating that. They don't care about the people that never leave their birth/hometowns.. (they have other ways to monitor them)
You also vote with your Dollars. Vote against it.
The truth is, most sighted people could check the ID. Obviously, they are going to use this to scan everyone. Just don't go, but call your local airline and tell them exactly why. Then it will change.
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For those who raise privacy concerns around this, TSA already has all the data through the Global Entry / Precheck application process. When you use Global Entry / Precheck, they already get your photograph from your passport (which is linked to a wealth of other information including birthplace, social security number, international travel, etc.), your fingerprints and current address and contact information from when you applied, and all of your domestic flight information through the myriad of national airport security and customs databases. This is less about harvesting new data and more leveraging existing new data to streamline the process for everyone.
Now if they expand this to ALL domestic air travelers, it's probably breaking new ground, but even then, they still in theory have access to everyone's photos through the Read ID system.
Want to fly? Put your forehead or your hand here.
Oh they are screwed. There's now only 1 million or so left. Well probably less because the government pays better to those who claim to be abo.
Yeah it doesn't matter who takes over when the aussies die out. They will take out our ignore the abbos and run the place down.
Odds are it will be the Chinese sending people here by the million.
The muzzies tried and failed.
The Indians are giving it a go now and doing really well. So much so that their countrymen complain about how many are here.
Some of our neighbours would just love to rush in.
When our army can't defend us we are gone.
I hope we will be remembered.
Anyone who's watched any Mission Impossible movie or episode knows that facial recognition is easy to fool.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Hasn't everything the TSA attempted to do (to protect) failed miserably?
That's not what the TSA is for. The TSA is there to frighten Americans and employ deplorables. (Nobody else would be willing to molest air passengers for money.) It's succeeding brilliantly at both of those things. Actually preventing terror attacks is counterproductive if your primary goal is to control the sheeple so you can shear them occasionally.
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I prefer some strange black man touching my genitals for free, can i skip the radiation machine and facial tech still?
You are now a slave to the US Government, beholden to your locality by the TSA. It's the most unconstitutional shit ever.
I know it's a pipe dream since this is a government operation but here goes.
TSA is required to give a detailed plan on what this change is supposed to provide, giving hard numbers and not just vague assurances. They have to state how many years they have to achieve said goal
One year before the mandatory end of the program the GAO goes in and does the work to find out if the program actually did as it was intended or not.
If not, since it probably won't, then the program is immediately terminated and any similar plan is limited to 1/4 the amount of time as the original, with more stringent defined goals.
If it does work then they can submit a new proposal with a term no longer than the original with the same qualifications - GAO review one year before expiration.
I'm not against the TSA trying to make the experience faster and more efficient. I'm against them having no accountability for their decisions.
This is just a B.S. excuse to get your biometric face data into their systems, so they can use it for surveillance. They will use it not because it's necessary, but because they can, and you can't do shit about it.
Opt out. Always. I've never used the mm-wave scanners. Not once.
Usually when I opt out, 5 people behind me do as well.
Returning to the USA, I opt out as well.
In AMS, they ended up turning off all the scanning for the flight because I refused. A very tall woman wasn't very happy with me.
But sometimes you end up being assaulted and groped. That happened leaving Prague. Groped twice, once in public, then taken behind a screen and groped again. When he finished, I asked if he thought my testicles had cancer.
In the UK, the guy waved his hands over me, don't think he touched me, then said I was clear.
But none of this pisses me off as much as stealing my huge bottle of water purchased inside security, at the gate, just before entering the plane. Happened in Chile and China. Flying between countries that aren't the USA is mostly nice, like it was in 2000. Watched the takeoff through the cockpit on a flight from Singapore to Bangkok. They didn't bother closing the door and the floor-door into the avionics bay wasn't locked either.
Just don't fly near Russia. Might get shot down.
What? I fly a fair bit... the facial compare to your passport/ID part is never the hold up. It is the bag scanning that holds up the lines. Are we talking about the same thing? TSA lines right? ...not after you exit the plane in another country and go through customs, which is slow, granted.
How else can you do facial recognition without a computer? Please do tell us old wise one.
Fucking imbecile.
I had a lovely run in with TSA this morning as I was flying out for a business trip. I was trying to pull my laptop out to put in a separate bin and a rude TSA agent came over and told me to stop and put it back. I tried to send the laptop bag through on its own only to more scolding (apparently it was fine to put the backpack and all my items in one bin). They seem to change what they want everytime you go to the airport just so you look like a crazy person trying to comply. Ask any breastfeeding mother about how arbitrary the agents can be about breast milk.
When our army can't defend us we are gone.
I hope we will be remembered.
Crocodile Dundee will never be forgotten.