> wake up and smell the shit some people just > arent able to "produce", you advocate just > leaving them to die?
Ahh, but libertarians are not advocating "just leaving them to die."
They're advocating that the common man should not have to buy their freedom every year by paying for this stuff.
As someone once said, "The question is not 'should or shouldn't I give this beggar a dime?', but rather 'should I have to buy my freedom, dime by dime?'"
> If you pay up, the service gets better, but > basic medical threatment is available to > anyone. I for one think that this is A Good > Thing(tm).
Not in Canada, or in the system proposed for the US by Bill and Hillary.
In those systems, you pay more, you go to jail.
I remember somebody wanting to open a premium sports clinic in Canada just for professional athletes, and charge an arm and a leg for premium care. The government said no.
What in god's name is a government doing approving stuff like that anyway? Where's freedom? Is freedom just a function of speech, where we are free to talk about anything, but anything anybody actually does is controlled by the (scientifically illiterate) power hungry?
> If you work in the restaurant business you > therefore had no choice but to inhale second > hand smoke....or quit, which is what a free country of free people exercising legal activities is all about.
After all, homosexual anal sex has had a big impact (read: financial drag) just like smoking, passing costly disease, killing people by the millions. Wanna see if you can get away with making that illegal? It's the same damned argument. Hell, there are even a handful of people, like the handful from second hand smoke, who die because of it through no fault of their own.
Didn't think you did. Now take the plank out of thine own eye first.
> For the same reason, someone in a wheelchair > couldn't sue for not being hired to do > something that required mobility - say mountain > rescue or something
It ain't for lack of trying by the asses who run the country.
People can and do sue for:
1. Being a 300 lb. stewardess who is given a desk job, or fired, because they're costing a lot of money in fuel.
2. People who are physically repulsive to the majority of customers in public-facing jobs, like sales and stewardesses. I'm not talking about deformities, but things like pins through their lips and so on.
By the way, the right to work is the right to seek work. The government can't stop you.
Your version of "right to work" is socialist nonsense:
1. You can't have such a "right" if it requires someone else to give you a job.
2. When one looks at licensing, one sees it is typically used more to restrict entry into a field of work rather than "protect consumers". So much for your UN-based theory of a right to work.
Well, just to play devil's advocate, at what point do you draw the line?
Put all people with HIV into quarantine because some of them might get in an accident and splatter someone with blood?
Is everything up for grabs so long as a power hungry politician can convince 50.1 percent of the people to say yes to something, locking it down as basically illegal for the next thousand years?
A legitimate, legal activity like smoking is nothing at all like a dangerous sweatshop with locked doors. It is perfectly legitimate to invite customers in to participate in legal activities.
It sickens me to see so damned many Little Lord Fauntleroys running around with woodies at the feelings of power they get forcing these asinine laws down the throats of people who want nothing to do with them.
When do you draw the line? I'll tell you, in your world view: when something YOU like is about to be outlawed. No critical thinking ability in most of you.
> He's not allowed to make up his own damned mind > about putting a poison like arsenic in the > customers' drinking water. Why should he be be > allowed to let his establishment become filled > with poisonous contaminated air?
Let's take a little breather, so to speak, shall we?
1. Smoke is not arsenic. 2. If people had been drinking arsenic historically and enjoying it, even if some die eventually, then he would have the right to sell it, just as they do alcohol and tobacco.
It's an issue of voluntary association and the right to your own property and your own body.
If you don't like it, or don't want to assume the risk, stay the hell out. Don't whip out a gun and threaten death to the bar owner. You aren't so god damned great. What unbelievable arrogance!
> Up here in Helena we passed a law banning > smoking in any public building, including bars
Bars aren't public buildings. Bars are private buildings. They are open to the public, which is not the same thing at all.
This law tells society that you are prepared to kill the bar owner if he allows smoking on his own private property.
Why do people get erections at the thought of telling people what to do with their own stuff? No doubt feeling they're so damned enlightned all the while.
> If you want to abuse your lungs that way I have > no problem with it, but enacting laws to limit > where the activity can take place (to protect > those of us who are affected)
It is legitimate for a democracy to decide how much pollution of public areas (air, e.g.) is ok to pollute, e.g. cars.
However, for cigarette smoke, that should be up to the private property owner. If a restaraunt wants to have smoking sections, or smoking everywhere, that's up to them.
I find it reprehensible that various cities are flat-out banning smoking in private establishments. If you, dear person who doesn't like smoke, and has tantrums over it, take your business elsewhere.
Don't pull out a gun and demand someone stop smoking on their own property (or with the permission of the owner.)
And no, I don't smoke.
BTW, until humanity gives up on this sickening desire to whip out the dictatorial gun and stop pointing it at other people doing things they don't like, we'll never move past the animal stage.
Ironically, when cows, sheep, and chickens are removed, average longevity decreases.
Hmmm. There must be something wrong with your theory. We can only pray that a strong constitution prevents you from forcing your experiment, unethically, on all the rest of us.
1. I can be something other than human, like a troll, half-giant, or giant
AND
2. I can configure the character with extreme strength where I am actually signifcantly tough. I hate the EQ-style design where a warrior is the toughest fighter damage-wise -- except for every single other class.
> Doctors have found that wearing a tie too tight > causes pressure on the jugular vein, which > leads to a build-up of pressure in the > eyeballs. Such pressure rises have been linked > to glaucoma, which causes blindness.
Hmmmm. I wonder if extreme pressure on other parts of the body are known to lead to blindness. Also, would repeated cycles of pressurization and relaxation every half second or so for anywhere from five minutes to an hour and a half increase the damage done?
There are, after all, old wives' tales of going blind...
> BTW, I learned java *AND* MSCE (whatever) in > toootally insane 14 days dude. Top that!
Intellectual child.
After being up for 24 hours working on my final project for 3D interactive graphics (way back in 1988, before there were "libraries" and cards to do all the work for you) my Pascal interpreter was crashing because the program was just too big. I got permission for a 1-day extension from the instructor, and spent the next 36 hours converting it to C, learning C in the process. Got it in just before 5 pm, and got 108 out of 100 points, second highest grade in the class, and only one other (a team of TWO) got 109 points. This was at U-M, Ann Arbor, not Queedunk U, by the way.
So, as good as you are, look up. You see that giant up there, peeing on your head?
For some reason, Ogres in EverQuest tended to be mostly roleplayed...
Tho' it be 'cause it easy ta talk dum.
Oh oh me hab no bandiges. Kin sum smart guy wave hands 'n gib me sum?
Trolls, rarely, because they were more of a powergamer's thing with the regen. But ogres certainly.
In all my travels of my necro through level 51 and counting, I only once encountered a paladin who was roleplaying and refused to help me. Awesome! My necro gnome-ette was a rather Dr. Doomish character in search of raw power. She fit in well with the power of a necromancer. "I've had more power nerfed than most other classes even have!"
> Since this set is infinte, you could never > generate the entire set given finite amounts of > time. > > Your solution is not possible.
Countably infinite, yes.
However, if you pick an upper limit to the number of words in the description, say, 10 million, it merely becomes practically impossible, not theoretically.
And if they allow formulae as a description, even the infinite is possible. My Kleene Star is a bit rusty, but something like:
One little flick to Wolfie's adamantium skull, and all the flesh inside and off would be instantly pulverized off it, leaving a fresh, clean, shiny, and empty skull.
You'd be surprised. Network issues, EMF emissions (keyboard, CRT, cables, it all can be read). Also, since the issue is "disposal", how many people do a proper multiple-overwrite of their empty hard disk areas to ensure no magnetic traces are present before sending the computer to the dump?
> Steering and brakes do have mechanical > reversion modes for the moment, but looking at > the BMW iDrive one has to wonder how much > longer this will be the case.
Never. The laws would have to change. Cars would cost half a million dollars with full fly-by-wire AND the safety of jets. Jets have it because mechanical linkage is not useful -- Mr. Hyde would have a tough time flipping the rudders on a jet, much less a normal man.
Any way, it's not reversion, it's always there. There are just motors and hydraulics to assist. Some cars, like GM, have power assisted steering. Some, like Chrysler, have full powered steering (turn it with your pinky while at a standstill.) Those differences are in how much assistance you get and are corporate signatures, but there are always physical mechanisms providing the basis; the power assists, there is no switching back to the physical system (as the switching system itself could fail!)
I have a phone with "airline mode", and it's a Sony phone. I don't know what it does (I thought it shut it off, but that would be odd.) Maybe it just disables the transceiver, but you can still play Ms. Pac-Man.
Anyone who's lit a fireplace can tell you you can still read the ink on burned paper that hasn't reached the ash stage yet.
Indeed, "shredding then burning" might be even worse than just burning (and crushing) since each little bit will remain intact. "A lot of patience", as the Penguin said, and you combine the two techniques for recovery.
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> wake up and smell the shit some people just
> arent able to "produce", you advocate just
> leaving them to die?
Ahh, but libertarians are not advocating "just leaving them to die."
They're advocating that the common man should not have to buy their freedom every year by paying for this stuff.
As someone once said, "The question is not 'should or shouldn't I give this beggar a dime?', but rather 'should I have to buy my freedom, dime by dime?'"
> If you pay up, the service gets better, but
> basic medical threatment is available to
> anyone. I for one think that this is A Good
> Thing(tm).
Not in Canada, or in the system proposed for the US by Bill and Hillary.
In those systems, you pay more, you go to jail.
I remember somebody wanting to open a premium sports clinic in Canada just for professional athletes, and charge an arm and a leg for premium care. The government said no.
What in god's name is a government doing approving stuff like that anyway? Where's freedom? Is freedom just a function of speech, where we are free to talk about anything, but anything anybody actually does is controlled by the (scientifically illiterate) power hungry?
Reminds me of an old Willy 'n Ethyl cartoon:
Willy is cleaning his double-barreled shotgun.
Ethyl: What would you do if all the people and all the nations of the world gave up all their guns and weapons?
Willy: Rule wisely.
> If you work in the restaurant business you ...or quit, which is what a free country of free people exercising legal activities is all about.
> therefore had no choice but to inhale second
> hand smoke.
After all, homosexual anal sex has had a big impact (read: financial drag) just like smoking, passing costly disease, killing people by the millions. Wanna see if you can get away with making that illegal? It's the same damned argument. Hell, there are even a handful of people, like the handful from second hand smoke, who die because of it through no fault of their own.
Didn't think you did. Now take the plank out of thine own eye first.
Unwanted socialist medicine is harmful no matter where it takes place, in part because the very name implies a target who does not want it.
Oh, and lagging technological development thanks to that will kill a lot more than it saves, ever widening as the years pass.
But a death in the hand is worth a million due to slower technology twenty years from now, eh?
Pre-industrial revolution: people bred like rabbits in the hopes that a few children made it to adulthood
Industrial revolution, complete with child labor: Children lived longer on average!
"Well," sayeth the critically thinkingly challenged, "we can do better than that."
Yes, we can. Thanks to the Industrial Revolution.
No thanks to you.
> For the same reason, someone in a wheelchair
> couldn't sue for not being hired to do
> something that required mobility - say mountain
> rescue or something
It ain't for lack of trying by the asses who run the country.
People can and do sue for:
1. Being a 300 lb. stewardess who is given a desk job, or fired, because they're costing a lot of money in fuel.
2. People who are physically repulsive to the majority of customers in public-facing jobs, like sales and stewardesses. I'm not talking about deformities, but things like pins through their lips and so on.
By the way, the right to work is the right to seek work. The government can't stop you.
Your version of "right to work" is socialist nonsense:
1. You can't have such a "right" if it requires someone else to give you a job.
2. When one looks at licensing, one sees it is typically used more to restrict entry into a field of work rather than "protect consumers". So much for your UN-based theory of a right to work.
Well, just to play devil's advocate, at what point do you draw the line?
Put all people with HIV into quarantine because some of them might get in an accident and splatter someone with blood?
Is everything up for grabs so long as a power hungry politician can convince 50.1 percent of the people to say yes to something, locking it down as basically illegal for the next thousand years?
A legitimate, legal activity like smoking is nothing at all like a dangerous sweatshop with locked doors. It is perfectly legitimate to invite customers in to participate in legal activities.
It sickens me to see so damned many Little Lord Fauntleroys running around with woodies at the feelings of power they get forcing these asinine laws down the throats of people who want nothing to do with them.
When do you draw the line? I'll tell you, in your world view: when something YOU like is about to be outlawed. No critical thinking ability in most of you.
And if someone put up a sign saying, "shared peeing pool inside!", why don't you just stay the hell out if you don't like it?
What arrogance!
> He's not allowed to make up his own damned mind
> about putting a poison like arsenic in the
> customers' drinking water. Why should he be be
> allowed to let his establishment become filled
> with poisonous contaminated air?
Let's take a little breather, so to speak, shall we?
1. Smoke is not arsenic.
2. If people had been drinking arsenic historically and enjoying it, even if some die eventually, then he would have the right to sell it, just as they do alcohol and tobacco.
It's an issue of voluntary association and the right to your own property and your own body.
If you don't like it, or don't want to assume the risk, stay the hell out. Don't whip out a gun and threaten death to the bar owner. You aren't so god damned great. What unbelievable arrogance!
> Up here in Helena we passed a law banning
> smoking in any public building, including bars
Bars aren't public buildings. Bars are private buildings. They are open to the public, which is not the same thing at all.
This law tells society that you are prepared to kill the bar owner if he allows smoking on his own private property.
Why do people get erections at the thought of telling people what to do with their own stuff? No doubt feeling they're so damned enlightned all the while.
> If you want to abuse your lungs that way I have
> no problem with it, but enacting laws to limit
> where the activity can take place (to protect
> those of us who are affected)
It is legitimate for a democracy to decide how much pollution of public areas (air, e.g.) is ok to pollute, e.g. cars.
However, for cigarette smoke, that should be up to the private property owner. If a restaraunt wants to have smoking sections, or smoking everywhere, that's up to them.
I find it reprehensible that various cities are flat-out banning smoking in private establishments. If you, dear person who doesn't like smoke, and has tantrums over it, take your business elsewhere.
Don't pull out a gun and demand someone stop smoking on their own property (or with the permission of the owner.)
And no, I don't smoke.
BTW, until humanity gives up on this sickening desire to whip out the dictatorial gun and stop pointing it at other people doing things they don't like, we'll never move past the animal stage.
Ironically, when cows, sheep, and chickens are removed, average longevity decreases.
Hmmm. There must be something wrong with your theory. We can only pray that a strong constitution prevents you from forcing your experiment, unethically, on all the rest of us.
From the FAQ:
Q. Can this be loaded with five pounds of weight in the nose?
Yes, it can be, but why would one want to do that and launch it across the ocean?
Good, I have a question.
I'm having a hard time finding a MUD where:
1. I can be something other than human, like a troll, half-giant, or giant
AND
2. I can configure the character with extreme strength where I am actually signifcantly tough. I hate the EQ-style design where a warrior is the toughest fighter damage-wise -- except for every single other class.
Careful with your language now:
"My friend had a LAN party and I went over there and smoked him!"
> Doctors have found that wearing a tie too tight
> causes pressure on the jugular vein, which
> leads to a build-up of pressure in the
> eyeballs. Such pressure rises have been linked
> to glaucoma, which causes blindness.
Hmmmm. I wonder if extreme pressure on other parts of the body are known to lead to blindness. Also, would repeated cycles of pressurization and relaxation every half second or so for anywhere from five minutes to an hour and a half increase the damage done?
There are, after all, old wives' tales of going blind...
> BTW, I learned java *AND* MSCE (whatever) in
> toootally insane 14 days dude. Top that!
Intellectual child.
After being up for 24 hours working on my final project for 3D interactive graphics (way back in 1988, before there were "libraries" and cards to do all the work for you) my Pascal interpreter was crashing because the program was just too big. I got permission for a 1-day extension from the instructor, and spent the next 36 hours converting it to C, learning C in the process. Got it in just before 5 pm, and got 108 out of 100 points, second highest grade in the class, and only one other (a team of TWO) got 109 points. This was at U-M, Ann Arbor, not Queedunk U, by the way.
So, as good as you are, look up. You see that giant up there, peeing on your head?
For some reason, Ogres in EverQuest tended to be mostly roleplayed...
Tho' it be 'cause it easy ta talk dum.
Oh oh me hab no bandiges. Kin sum smart guy wave hands 'n gib me sum?
Trolls, rarely, because they were more of a powergamer's thing with the regen. But ogres certainly.
In all my travels of my necro through level 51 and counting, I only once encountered a paladin who was roleplaying and refused to help me. Awesome! My necro gnome-ette was a rather Dr. Doomish character in search of raw power. She fit in well with the power of a necromancer. "I've had more power nerfed than most other classes even have!"
> Since this set is infinte, you could never
> generate the entire set given finite amounts of
> time.
>
> Your solution is not possible.
Countably infinite, yes.
However, if you pick an upper limit to the number of words in the description, say, 10 million, it merely becomes practically impossible, not theoretically.
And if they allow formulae as a description, even the infinite is possible. My Kleene Star is a bit rusty, but something like:
{all english letters and common punctuation}*
should do the trick.
Poor writing, my friend. Poor writing.
One little flick to Wolfie's adamantium skull, and all the flesh inside and off would be instantly pulverized off it, leaving a fresh, clean, shiny, and empty skull.
> Even on a PC you can do much better
You'd be surprised. Network issues, EMF emissions (keyboard, CRT, cables, it all can be read). Also, since the issue is "disposal", how many people do a proper multiple-overwrite of their empty hard disk areas to ensure no magnetic traces are present before sending the computer to the dump?
> Steering and brakes do have mechanical
> reversion modes for the moment, but looking at
> the BMW iDrive one has to wonder how much
> longer this will be the case.
Never. The laws would have to change. Cars would cost half a million dollars with full fly-by-wire AND the safety of jets. Jets have it because mechanical linkage is not useful -- Mr. Hyde would have a tough time flipping the rudders on a jet, much less a normal man.
Any way, it's not reversion, it's always there. There are just motors and hydraulics to assist. Some cars, like GM, have power assisted steering. Some, like Chrysler, have full powered steering (turn it with your pinky while at a standstill.) Those differences are in how much assistance you get and are corporate signatures, but there are always physical mechanisms providing the basis; the power assists, there is no switching back to the physical system (as the switching system itself could fail!)
I have a phone with "airline mode", and it's a Sony phone. I don't know what it does (I thought it shut it off, but that would be odd.) Maybe it just disables the transceiver, but you can still play Ms. Pac-Man.
Anyone who's lit a fireplace can tell you you can still read the ink on burned paper that hasn't reached the ash stage yet.
Indeed, "shredding then burning" might be even worse than just burning (and crushing) since each little bit will remain intact. "A lot of patience", as the Penguin said, and you combine the two techniques for recovery.