Minor nit's. The C64's single expansion slot ('cartridge') was actually a minimally modified access to it's internal busses and could be y'd into two or more slots (usually just two).
And ram expansion units did eventually come out for it in 128k increments (I remember following some directions I found online to rig mine to hold up to two megs!), though that extra ram was used as a ram-drive.
I used to use load "*",8,9 (amazing, years and years since I've used a C=64, yet I HAVE to slow down and override my finger or I type load@$@,8,9!) because only the lsb mattered and any odd # would work, and 9 being much closer to 8 it was quicker, and easier to do one handed (now THATS going to be taken wrong around here).
And I was Mycroft on the local bbs's back then as well.
In the US it's the majority of the votes cast, not casting a vote only say "I'll let all the other idiots pick for me" and nothing else.
So by not voting your not only still getting 'fucked over', but smiling and saying "suprise me!" as you grab your ankles.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. One should cast their vote for the best candidate in their opinion, writing in one if necessary.
You can only effectively remove your consent to be ruled in a few ways: 1) Die 2) Moving somewhere where no-one rules (where is that?) 3) Revolution (and then your only really changing rulers, and possibly how your ruled) 4) Become the ruler (#2 might be the same)
Best bet is to try and elect those whose 'rule' you favor, hopefully you choose wisely.
The C=64 actually had a 6510 and not a 6502. The 6510 was a "clone" of the 6502. If you stuck to regular 6502 code with it there wasn't any significant difference, however DRM of the day didn't towards the end (after so many different copy programs with the ability to write and detect the various deliberate errors and half-track tricks) and used 'hidden' op-codes to foil attempts to dis-assemble them.
Of course not long afterwards (dis)assemblers came out that new all about them as well. DRM has been around forever and futile for at least as long.
Thanks, at least one person seems to sorta get (best most of us can do I suspect) that the 'laws' of the universe don't apply "before" or "outside" the universe. OR rather WE can't apply them. There is no BEFORE and no OUTSIDE yet even that has no meaning sorta like sqrt(-5) minutes ago or 5/0 miles away.
To those who insist 'GOD' had to have made the universe or it couldn't exist I ask simply then who/what made 'GOD'. This kind of reasoning leads to 'turtle all the way down' and trying to discuss 'before time existed' and such.
Why is it absurd? Or rather why is it's absurdity relevant to it's truth or falsity. Most of quantum physics is pretty 'absurd' and much of relativity seems so as well, but they're holding up pretty good so far.
The real problem is trying to fathom what happened before time or what's outside of outside. Both nonsense questions, but if the universe (everything and all of time) has a finite duration prior to now those are the questions being asked.
Yep, completely forgot about her as #1 in "The Menagerie"/"The Cage". Can't remember her real first name either. but then I'm usually online after work, which is usually 9-10 hours of dealing with a random sampling of humanity.
Perhaps your thinking of yeoman Rand?
I've seen a bumper sticker that said "Scotty, beam down a six-pack and yeoman Rand" FWIW Nurse Chapel was played by the same actress who married Rodenberry (Star Treks creator) and played Llwaxanna Troi in ST:TNG. As well as doing the voice for the computer in ST:TNG.
Though I suspect most here knew all that already (and probably would've had a better time with the spelling which I probably mangled).
He's had quite a few bios done, most note several 'quirks' in his personality and some suggestion he may have had a mild form of auspergers. A lot of highly intelligent people are known to have odd 'glitches' relative to the societal norms.
I kind of think one the occasional mistake or preference in an informal discussion hardly qualifies as ANY indicator of intellect. Though judging a person by one trivial item might, but probably not, we ALL have our quirks.
Just one old drive I have laying around (Maxtor 51536U3) was advertised as 15.3 gigs formated capacity. By the numbers listed on it, it's unformatted capacity is around 15.7 gigs base 2 system or 16.9 base ten usage. Now what sounds more likely, that they expected formatting and such to use:.4 gigs or 1.6?
And that's just grabbing one of the few older drives I have , though that's from after most had started renumbering scam.
Oddly I have slightly newer HD that appears to be using base 2 up to megabyte then switching to base ten for gigs.
Anyone old enough to remember having to plug in the cylinders heads sectors data into the bios to use a hard drive will remember when base 2 was the norm.
I picked up the word the same way most pick up their native language, everyone around me uses it with a certain meaning so I tend to do the same. I actually qualified for honors english (and remedial spelling probably) in college, but that's probably because I'm better at spotting bad english than writing good english, the test played to my strengths a bit.
The simple truth is that at least around here (middle of the USA, not necessarily Slashdot), it's meaning is clear and use so common I seldom think of it's impropriety in formal, or even semi-formal writing. Fortunately this is not a formal setting or even close.
It's much like the base 2 versions of the K,M,and B prefixes, technically incorrect to formal definitions, but so common and well understood that little ambiguity as to meaning should arise (other than the '1.44MB' floppy). And yet some poster accused me(I think me) of hypocricy for doing both. huh?
Try not to judge intelligence or reasoning skills based on idiom in an informal discussion. Especially considering the degree of cultural influence on local language and the impact this has in a discussion medium that reaches such a broad range of locals. Also consider that this includes non-native speakers who are prone to grammatical errors and poor choices with regard contextually appropriate synonyms and near synonyms where specific shadings of meaning may vary in very non-obvious ways.
Had Einstein wrote his relativity work in crayon it still would have been relativity, and a 411 e-mail scam written by Poe is still a 411 scam.
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing.
That wasn't meant as a technical justification for the usage, the whole thing was a bit of an unfortunate kludge as I said.
Though some sort of systematic notation that recognizes the base two nature of modern computing certainly makes sense.
As to what sounds silly, that's largely a matter of opinion. Though the majority grew up with the byte usage from early on in the computer field (though, early digital computers had all sorts of weird word sizes) and are comfortable with it whereas the *bi prefixes are much newer.
You confuse people a lot less by sticking to a standard that's fairly well known and has been in use 40+ years (even if it conflicts with use age OUTSIDE the field) than by trying to switch to some new standard prefixes that so far has mostly gotten ridiculed at by the smaller percentage(though growing, I saw something at a store the other day so marked) of people that have heard of it in the last 9 years.
I'm not saying it was the right way to do it back then, but there is no compelling reason to change now.
The system is internally consistent unlike the pounds, quarts, inches system and has Bytes or bits as it's suffix so when to use 2^x0 vs 10^3x is clear.
The real issue is that the H.D. makers switched from what had been the standard usage as a marketing ploy to deceive the buyer. It was certainly not an attempt to 'correct' the usage, else they would have used the new units and possibly an * note to explain or at least a disclaimer NOT in micro-print on the bottom of the box.
OS's and most software still use the MB=2^30 notation. If the HD is sold by 10^9 notation the difference becomes glaring.
Not true, I remember being a bit peeved the first time I bought a hard drive and found out it wasn't the size it claimed because they'd switched to base ten usage for the prefix instead of base two.
I already had one hard drive that size and the second one I bought from a different company was smaller with the exact same formatting. It took a fair amount of digging to find out why.
I still remember some of the first hd's I bought in the low GB range even said 1MB=1000KB (yet their KB was 1024 bytes!).
I think you've scrambled a term, a layman is someone NOT in the field, that is not a someone who works with computers and used to standard 1024 bytes to one kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes to a megabyte, etc. The layman is the one who might mistakenly think the computer field was using the base ten meanings found elsewhere.
Perhaps if another prefix set had been devised/picked back when digital computing was brand spanking new things would have been less confusing but, 50 years later the the whole *bi prefix thing just makes one sound like an esperanto enthusiast or other loony.
The point of the suit however is that since most other forms of data storage are expressed in the conventional meaning, and until recently hard drives as well, the switch in meaning with BIG disclaimers is clearly a ruse to inflate the perceived size.
Accepted, expected, and causes BAD problems when ignored use in IT and related fields: kilobyte = 2^20 bytes megabyte = 2^10 bytes Gigabyte = 2^20 bytes
While he was a bit harsh, the 'gibi' 'mibi' 'mabi' and what not are NOT accepted units of measure irregardless of what any organization (even a 'standards' organization)says.
The key word word is accepted. Computers work in base 2 natively and when the field was first started and the closest prefixes for base 2 'round' numbers in that base were adopted by the vast majority.
Now this was and is a bit of a kludge, but it's was nearly universal in use (and still dominant) and anyone who was serious about learning computers learned this fairly early on.
This same numbering scheme continued well into the era of commodity parts including retail hard drives until some nitwit realized they could make more money by selling according to the base 10 numbering system definitions which are smaller.
The real truth here is that what the hdd makers did was attempt to deliberately create a false impression of size by relying on the fact the for computers mega meant 2^20 and yet changing what they meant by it (after years of using the de-facto standard).
Or grain, it's just so much tonnage in a metal shell. The impact would be like a small nuke going off, minus the the radiation of course.
Or course I'd suggest getting a better reason than just angry.
Not many will pay what the cell companies charge. I looked into it and discovered that it would cost more than $50 a month for barely better than isdn speeds (under ideal conditions, mine are far from ideal) with a very low cap (something like 1 gig a month) and a min 2 year contract. Oh yeah and another $150 or so in hardware and set-up fees (though there was a $25 mail in rebate on the hardware, and of course you always get those/sarcasm/).
I suspect this sort of price set up just might explain the lack of uptake. However there is a local wireless outfit that seems to be doing o.k. with more reasonable rates (merely expensive, not outrageous).
So artist's descendants somehow deserve TWO inheritances?!?! Because that's exactly what you're arguing for.
If an artist does like Joe six-pack and saves some of his income and leaves that for his heirs they get the same inheritance Joe's kids get AND ongoing payment for the same work over and over again. Whereas Joe's kids only get the saved money. The don't another red cent each and every time someone sit's in the chair Joe made, or turn on the t.v.'s he sold or any such thing, yet the artist's kids do.
Now if you're arguing that artists' work, by virtue of it's contribution to culture and creative nature, deserve a greater reward, then wouldn't it make more sense to give them tax breaks or perhaps direct subsidy.
Believe me Heinlein's work is worth far more (imho) than he likely ever saw, I'm fairly confident the man was smart enough to save up a goodly sum during his lifetime.
That one happens to be a personal favorite stories(didn't chose my nick at random) by one of my favorite authors, I gotta second the suggestion.
His 'juviniles', while written for a younger audience, are also pretty good. He wrote for a younger audience, not down to younger audience.
otherwise yhis is pretty much a "me-too post".
I know you're joking, but try the "Thieves World" series edited by Asprin (IIRC). It's pretty much each author gets a character or two in a shared setting to write about.
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Minor nit's. The C64's single expansion slot ('cartridge') was actually a minimally modified access to it's internal busses and could be y'd into two or more slots (usually just two).
And ram expansion units did eventually come out for it in 128k increments (I remember following some directions I found online to rig mine to hold up to two megs!), though that extra ram was used as a ram-drive.
Mycroft
The C=64 actually used a clone of the 6502, CBM's own 6510 iirc.
There was an expansion cart (fairly big) for the c64 that included a z80 and CPM.
Mycroft
I used to use load "*",8,9 (amazing, years and years since I've used a C=64, yet I HAVE to slow down and override my finger or I type load@$@,8,9!) because only the lsb mattered and any odd # would work, and 9 being much closer to 8 it was quicker, and easier to do one handed (now THATS going to be taken wrong around here).
And I was Mycroft on the local bbs's back then as well.
Mycroft
In the US it's the majority of the votes cast, not casting a vote only say "I'll let all the other idiots pick for me" and nothing else.
So by not voting your not only still getting 'fucked over', but smiling and saying "suprise me!" as you grab your ankles.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. One should cast their vote for the best candidate in their opinion, writing in one if necessary.
You can only effectively remove your consent to be ruled in a few ways:
1) Die
2) Moving somewhere where no-one rules (where is that?)
3) Revolution (and then your only really changing rulers, and possibly how your ruled)
4) Become the ruler (#2 might be the same)
Best bet is to try and elect those whose 'rule' you favor, hopefully you choose wisely.
Mycroft
The C=64 actually had a 6510 and not a 6502. The 6510 was a "clone" of the 6502.
If you stuck to regular 6502 code with it there wasn't any significant difference, however DRM of the day didn't towards the end (after so many different copy programs with the ability to write and detect the various deliberate errors and half-track tricks) and used 'hidden' op-codes to foil attempts to dis-assemble them.
Of course not long afterwards (dis)assemblers came out that new all about them as well. DRM has been around forever and futile for at least as long.
Mcyroft
Thanks, at least one person seems to sorta get (best most of us can do I suspect) that the 'laws' of the universe don't apply "before" or "outside" the universe. OR rather WE can't apply them. There is no BEFORE and no OUTSIDE yet even that has no meaning sorta like sqrt(-5) minutes ago or 5/0 miles away.
To those who insist 'GOD' had to have made the universe or it couldn't exist I ask simply then who/what made 'GOD'. This kind of reasoning leads to 'turtle all the way down' and trying to discuss 'before time existed' and such.
Mycroft
Why is it absurd? Or rather why is it's absurdity relevant to it's truth or falsity.
Most of quantum physics is pretty 'absurd' and much of relativity seems so as well, but they're holding up pretty good so far.
The real problem is trying to fathom what happened before time or what's outside of outside. Both nonsense questions, but if the universe (everything and all of time) has a finite duration prior to now those are the questions being asked.
Mycroft
Yep, completely forgot about her as #1 in "The Menagerie"/"The Cage".
Can't remember her real first name either. but then I'm usually online after work, which is usually 9-10 hours of dealing with a random sampling of humanity.
Thanks
Mycroft
Perhaps your thinking of yeoman Rand?
I've seen a bumper sticker that said "Scotty, beam down a six-pack and yeoman Rand"
FWIW Nurse Chapel was played by the same actress who married Rodenberry (Star Treks creator) and played Llwaxanna Troi in ST:TNG. As well as doing the voice for the computer in ST:TNG.
Though I suspect most here knew all that already (and probably would've had a better time with the spelling which I probably mangled).
Mycroft
He's had quite a few bios done, most note several 'quirks' in his personality and some suggestion he may have had a mild form of auspergers. A lot of highly intelligent people are known to have odd 'glitches' relative to the societal norms.
I kind of think one the occasional mistake or preference in an informal discussion hardly qualifies as ANY indicator of intellect. Though judging a person by one trivial item might, but probably not, we ALL have our quirks.
Mycroft
Just one old drive I have laying around (Maxtor 51536U3) was advertised as 15.3 gigs formated capacity. By the numbers listed on it, it's unformatted capacity is around 15.7 gigs base 2 system or 16.9 base ten usage. Now what sounds more likely, that they expected formatting and such to use: .4 gigs or 1.6?
And that's just grabbing one of the few older drives I have , though that's from after most had started renumbering scam.
Oddly I have slightly newer HD that appears to be using base 2 up to megabyte then switching to base ten for gigs.
Anyone old enough to remember having to plug in the cylinders heads sectors data into the bios to use a hard drive will remember when base 2 was the norm.
Mycroft
I picked up the word the same way most pick up their native language, everyone around me uses it with a certain meaning so I tend to do the same. I actually qualified for honors english (and remedial spelling probably) in college, but that's probably because I'm better at spotting bad english than writing good english, the test played to my strengths a bit.
The simple truth is that at least around here (middle of the USA, not necessarily Slashdot), it's meaning is clear and use so common I seldom think of it's impropriety in formal, or even semi-formal writing. Fortunately this is not a formal setting or even close.
It's much like the base 2 versions of the K,M,and B prefixes, technically incorrect to formal definitions, but so common and well understood that little ambiguity as to meaning should arise (other than the '1.44MB' floppy). And yet some poster accused me(I think me) of hypocricy for doing both. huh?
Try not to judge intelligence or reasoning skills based on idiom in an informal discussion. Especially considering the degree of cultural influence on local language and the impact this has in a discussion medium that reaches such a broad range of locals. Also consider that this includes non-native speakers who are prone to grammatical errors and poor choices with regard contextually appropriate synonyms and near synonyms where specific shadings of meaning may vary in very non-obvious ways.
Had Einstein wrote his relativity work in crayon it still would have been relativity, and a 411 e-mail scam written by Poe is still a 411 scam.
Mycroft
Emphasis mine.
Mycroft
That wasn't meant as a technical justification for the usage, the whole thing was a bit of an unfortunate kludge as I said.
Though some sort of systematic notation that recognizes the base two nature of modern computing certainly makes sense.
As to what sounds silly, that's largely a matter of opinion. Though the majority grew up with the byte usage from early on in the computer field (though, early digital computers had all sorts of weird word sizes) and are comfortable with it whereas the *bi prefixes are much newer.
You confuse people a lot less by sticking to a standard that's fairly well known and has been in use 40+ years (even if it conflicts with use age OUTSIDE the field) than by trying to switch to some new standard prefixes that so far has mostly gotten ridiculed at by the smaller percentage(though growing, I saw something at a store the other day so marked) of people that have heard of it in the last 9 years.
I'm not saying it was the right way to do it back then, but there is no compelling reason to change now.
The system is internally consistent unlike the pounds, quarts, inches system and has Bytes or bits as it's suffix so when to use 2^x0 vs 10^3x is clear.
The real issue is that the H.D. makers switched from what had been the standard usage as a marketing ploy to deceive the buyer. It was certainly not an attempt to 'correct' the usage, else they would have used the new units and possibly an * note to explain or at least a disclaimer NOT in micro-print on the bottom of the box.
OS's and most software still use the MB=2^30 notation. If the HD is sold by 10^9 notation the difference becomes glaring.
Mycroft
Not true, I remember being a bit peeved the first time I bought a hard drive and found out it wasn't the size it claimed because they'd switched to base ten usage for the prefix instead of base two.
I already had one hard drive that size and the second one I bought from a different company was smaller with the exact same formatting. It took a fair amount of digging to find out why.
I still remember some of the first hd's I bought in the low GB range even said 1MB=1000KB (yet their KB was 1024 bytes!).
Mycroft
I think you've scrambled a term, a layman is someone NOT in the field, that is not a someone who works with computers and used to standard 1024 bytes to one kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes to a megabyte, etc. The layman is the one who might mistakenly think the computer field was using the base ten meanings found elsewhere.
Perhaps if another prefix set had been devised/picked back when digital computing was brand spanking new things would have been less confusing but, 50 years later the the whole *bi prefix thing just makes one sound like an esperanto enthusiast or other loony.
The point of the suit however is that since most other forms of data storage are expressed in the conventional meaning, and until recently hard drives as well, the switch in meaning with BIG disclaimers is clearly a ruse to inflate the perceived size.
Mycroft
Accepted, expected, and causes BAD problems when ignored use in IT and related fields:
kilobyte = 2^20 bytes
megabyte = 2^10 bytes
Gigabyte = 2^20 bytes
Mycroft
While he was a bit harsh, the 'gibi' 'mibi' 'mabi' and what not are NOT accepted units of measure irregardless of what any organization (even a 'standards' organization)says.
The key word word is accepted.
Computers work in base 2 natively and when the field was first started and the closest prefixes for base 2 'round' numbers in that base were adopted by the vast majority.
Now this was and is a bit of a kludge, but it's was nearly universal in use (and still dominant) and anyone who was serious about learning computers learned this fairly early on.
This same numbering scheme continued well into the era of commodity parts including retail hard drives until some nitwit realized they could make more money by selling according to the base 10 numbering system definitions which are smaller.
The real truth here is that what the hdd makers did was attempt to deliberately create a false impression of size by relying on the fact the for computers mega meant 2^20 and yet changing what they meant by it (after years of using the de-facto standard).
Mycroft
Or grain, it's just so much tonnage in a metal shell. The impact would be like a small nuke going off, minus the the radiation of course.
Or course I'd suggest getting a better reason than just angry.
Mycroft
Not to long.
Mycroft
Not many will pay what the cell companies charge. I looked into it and discovered that it would cost more than $50 a month for barely better than isdn speeds (under ideal conditions, mine are far from ideal) with a very low cap (something like 1 gig a month) and a min 2 year contract. Oh yeah and another $150 or so in hardware and set-up fees (though there was a $25 mail in rebate on the hardware, and of course you always get those /sarcasm/).
I suspect this sort of price set up just might explain the lack of uptake.
However there is a local wireless outfit that seems to be doing o.k. with more reasonable rates (merely expensive, not outrageous).
Mycroft
So artist's descendants somehow deserve TWO inheritances?!?!
Because that's exactly what you're arguing for.
If an artist does like Joe six-pack and saves some of his income and leaves that for his heirs
they get the same inheritance Joe's kids get AND ongoing payment for the same work over and over
again. Whereas Joe's kids only get the saved money. The don't another red cent each and every time someone sit's in the chair Joe made, or turn on the t.v.'s he sold or any such thing, yet the artist's kids do.
Now if you're arguing that artists' work, by virtue of it's contribution to culture and creative nature, deserve a greater reward, then wouldn't it make more sense to give them tax breaks or perhaps direct subsidy.
Believe me Heinlein's work is worth far more (imho) than he likely ever saw, I'm fairly confident the man was smart enough to save up a goodly sum during his lifetime.
Mycroft
That one happens to be a personal favorite stories(didn't chose my nick at random) by one of my favorite authors, I gotta second the suggestion.
His 'juviniles', while written for a younger audience, are also pretty good. He wrote for a younger audience, not down to younger audience.
otherwise yhis is pretty much a "me-too post".
Mycroft
I know you're joking, but try the "Thieves World" series edited by Asprin (IIRC).
It's pretty much each author gets a character or two in a shared setting to write about.
Mycroft
The early resemblance to Tolkien's style in the first book is deliberate, or at least so R.J.
claimed, to make an easier transition for Tolkien fans.
Mycroft