I agree with you in principle, and in personal pratice and the standards I set for my subordinates. However they're mostly 16-20 in these jobs and prone to do stupid things.
And frankly they'll be far more likely to try and help if you're nice about it. Where I work the note is 'manager must serve customer' for such customers (as well a few customers who get manager attention for the OPPOSITE REASON and any other case were it makes sense). Of course rude enough customer get "NOT ACCEPTED NOTIFY MANAGER".
Not tipping the Delivery Driver or Waiter/ress is very rude. The Waitperson is somewhat limmited in how they can retaliate do to having the boss right there, but Drivers far less so and with the costs of gas going up WAY and wages not they have far more motive. Not to mention the fact that without most people tipping delivery drivers there eigther wouldn't be any (you can't put that kinda milage on a car at typical wages for drivers and some places just pay a flat fee per delivery by declaring the driver a sub-contractor) or the costs would go up 10-20%.
You DON'T want to be a known stiff and get a driver on his last day.
And the company fires said minor to cover it's ass and meanwhile everyone there still see's you as eighter the jerk who got poor sam/jane fired and finds more subtle ways (like scratching half the dvd's you return and causing you to be billed for it) or the bedwetting jerk who got poor.......
The way to create that path of least resistance is by being polite but firm, If you're an ass all he has to do is keep repeating "I'm sorry sir blah blah policy blah" untill you give up or cross a line and get escorted out of the place.
If the emplyee's been;there long enough he knows how to eigther work around the rules for mr polite, or do the obverse for mr rude.
If you're an ass threating to take your bussiness elsewhere is an idiot move btw, as the person your being an ass too is thinking "thank god" when you say it.
Actually when you're an utter asshole you to get reported up the chain of command, not your complaint mind you, this is so they can bar you from the premisses as needed and otherwise keep track of a potential liability (people who can't behave are violence risk and/or lawsuit risk)
Being a jerk is NEVER a good idea in a bussiness. 1) If you're dealing with a peon (esp a teenager) they likely don't want to report much more than you were a jerk because they don't want someone thinking they did something wrong and fire-ing them. 2) If you're beligerent enough you're not going to get satisfaction but instead you're going to find yourself explaining yourself to a officer friendly.
These are the GOOD results. In the fast food industry dominated by teens being a jerk is a good way to get 'special seasoning' the FDA does not approve of added to your food or worse (as an aside, always tip servers and delivery people).
Always start out polite and friendly, and if the lower level person says they can't do what you want then likely they can't and risk thier job doing so, politely ask for thier supervisor and re-assure them you're not going to blame them (if it really is a policy issue and not a mistake on thier part, in which start by asking for thier boss). If you've talked to the highest ranked person present demanding to see/talk to thier boss right away won't get you anything good.
I'd risk my job telling someone abusive (especially to my employees) to get out LONG before I'll risk breaking policy for such a jerk, yet I'll risk it even faster for someone polite with a legitimate complaint.
Put yourself in thier position, who are you going to help first (if at all); some loudmouthed jerk calling you names and impugning your character/competence or someone politely asking for help/remedy?
The guy in falling down was psycho-nut-job.
Those places are set up like a factory and breakfast is a different group of setting on equipment and materials used than lunch, once everything is changed over to lunch Makeing ONE person breakfast would mean a) everyone ELSE having to 10-15 minutes for lunch b)cost a lot in terms payroll and lost customers from a.
It'd be like asking a car factory that makes pick-up trucks durring the week and sports-coups on the weekend to make one sports coup monday afternoon, think of all the hassle and co$t that would entail. Yes to an ousider it may not be obvoius, but that doesn't make it idiotic.
This is why it pays to be polite and work the people at these big conglomerates. I work for a fair sized company part time as bottom end management and I've excersized more discretion than I'm technically allowed for the polite customers and told people 2-4 levels abouve me about it without worry becuase they've read the e-mails some of the people have sent.
The assholes I do the bare minumum policy requires unless I think they've got a DAMN good reason to be an asshole to me, then I do alot more. Of course I'll invite and asshole to the world (kick out/hang up on) first real good excuse (foul language after being warned, anything resembling a threat of violence) he gives me also.
This is wrong on so many levels. First everyplace I've ever worked using fould language was "please be carefull with your language sir, this is a familly establishement." the first time followed by "I'm sorry if you can't watch your language I have to ask you to leave."
I've called the police once when someone couldn't understand that and wouldn't leave when asked. I don't know where you got you're screwed idea of customer service, perhaps in some companies that hire people for just that that's what thier told, but I'd rather not work or do bussiness with such a place.
There almost NO excuse (I'm tempted to say none, I can't think of any) for being abusive to someone in these settings. And one GOOD reason not to, that being it pretty much kills any shot of you're getting what want or really anything other than officer friendly escorting you outside and explaining how he has to arrrest you for tresspass if you ever return.
Be nice and polite, but firm, and you'll get a LOT more out of the situation.
I won't bend rules for an asshole (except maybe against him), but I've flat out broken them for the nice and polite people whith an honest issue .
Higher ups tend to support this as anyone willing to be abusive is not likely a repeat customer and is potentialy violent (law suits and workers quiting and bad press gallore) and more likely to be 'gaming' the system for freebes whereas a polite customer is more likely rational with a valid complaint and otherwise the opposite of the abusive customer.
MAD assumes the other side considers dying/destruction worse than destroying/badly hurting the enemy. I'm not so certain this is the case with Iranian leadership.
Actually there are quite a few people who believe juries have every right to judge the law itself. Indeed why have a 'jury of your peers' otherwise. If was just to judge technical aspects of the law and which side they belived most I would think a jury expert in the apropriate area's of the law and the technical issues otherwise would make more sense.
A jury of peers can however judge the justice of applying the law as written better by virtue of a clearer understaneding of the circumstances of a person in the defendand's circumstances.
Actually this is not limited to dsl, standard dialup is affected to at least some degree. Perhaps not following the exact same pattern, but it apears the pattern is inconsistant from try to try even from the same host looking up the same record. I'm on dialup and tested a few bogus domains and my results have varied considerably, with firefox, ping and traceroute (multiple tries each app with each bogus domain). Not that I've not really done anything remotely rigourous in the way of testing, just enough to verify it's happening to me and not consistantly.
Now why would they keep the ads on the page 'whithin reason'? The fact that the victims here are already paying them, would make them somehow limit how much money they could make with these false pages?
Check and see what the promised in the contract as well. If they are not giving you the connectivity you paid for including dns they've broken the contract likely. And DON'T just listen anonymoun non-lawyers like myself, Have a real lawyer go over it with you and be prepared to discuss what the technical parts and problems are and listen to what he says. Lawyers and IT people have very different jargon and making shure both of you undertand the meanings of them could be important (how can the lawyer advise you if he doesn't know the difference between dns and nda? or if you don't?).
Perhaps someone should notify him. Sounds like he might have enough $$ clout to be heard when finds out how his identy has been 'stolen' (used w/o his permision) to perpetrate this sort of internet scam.
Well part of they operate apears to be to lock down outgoing $$ from acounts (but usually allowing incoming$$) for almost any reason and collecting the interest for many months or longer and sometimes the $$ itself.
I'm not claiming this from personal experience mind you, just repeating the gestalt from having read a few of the anti- paypal sites such as paypalsucks.
It's possible all these sites are bogus as are the couple of news articles I've seen.
And definately some of the 'victims' are idiots ("I didn't ship what was paid for for a few months and the idiot buyer complained so paypal gave them back thier $$ the same day I finally did ship it"). However some of the reported reasons for freezing acounts for months on end are such as having once sold something to someone who later didn't ship something he sold to someone else over a year later.
I would think that this also opens up an entirely new can of worms - although I'm sure that paypal has the right to do whatever the hell they want short of taking all your cash, if they keep making moves like this, THEY may end up liable for what their service is used for. They can't really have it both ways - either they're a common, undescriminating service, or they're suddenly accountable for everyone. </Blockquote>
Actually there are a lot of people claiming they do just that (take your cash) and thier TOS seems to imply it as well. Just google for paypal sucks
O.K. misread North York for New York. Still if it's not just a formalism in Canada I'm pretty shure words like that are (or are treated as such by notaries) in some parts of the US. Though it's possible the there's a distiction hidden in the specific wording as it's typically the 'olde english' like language that lawyers abuse.
Though the last few times I've used a notary it just says "sworn before me this date" and a statement that they're a properly liscensed notary.
The notary was in the US so the penalties for being false would be local to NY.
However the wording on what he stamped looks pretty formula to me, it's almost identicle to what I've seen every time I've had to deal with a notary, none of whom I'd seen before or since except perhaps as just another namely bank worker. They just basically compare your id with A)your face and description and B)the name on whatever thier stamping.
I think "known to me personally" translates to "I actually saw the id and person myself" not "we hang out together on weekends and get drunk at the same bars".
Does Cannada have a 10k reporting law also? Even if so the trick would be to move the cash through a couple of 'those' banks (swiss, caymen islands, whoever does the three monkeys bit with money these days).
Of course in the US (which does have the 10k$ reporting law also has other laws that would bring serious scrutiny down on a few hundred thousand dollars jumping around/leaving the country. IIRC you have to get permision/paperwork like with crypto export laws, originally because of money laundering and likely also for funding terrorism nowadays.
Also you don't get to keep stolen property in the US. If you bought it in good faith you don't go to jail (in theory at least), but it goes back to the owner.
Except it's way off. The founders didn't want a standing army and it was an amendment to the constitution that allowed most of the feds taxing of individuals about a century ago IIRC.
While it's true the evolutionary process that generated higher life forms took millions of years, GA systems cover a more specific problem space with a more static environement. They also itterate MUCH faster (100's of generations per second rather than fractional per decade).
However I'd agree if your point is that GA's aren't the holy grail of AI. I don't think there is ONE (emphasis on 1!).
GA's are just a piece ofthe puzzle imho, as are expert systems, neural nets, fuzzy logic, and a host of other systmes.
It seems to me each of these when first introduced was a hammer to the AI community at the time. AS the old saying goes when all you have is a hammer every thing looks like a nail.
Just don't make it a penal colony or no telling what the lunies might do, especially if they get the colony's computer on thier side.
Seriously though with solar power lunar surface to earth orbit would be pretty cheap (damn near free for refined metals) using a mass driver.
How about a mass driver to send back any lunar products. If you're sending back metals it's pretty cheap to do and aside from basic maintenance and initial installation, essentially free.
Solar power to run it and a decent computer to aim it. You could even send the slag up for shielding/soil in some O'Neil colonies.
Lot's of usefull possibilities for a lunar mass-driver. Non-metalic and Earth surface destination cargo's would need a bit more of a an outer shell, but little to no propulsion stage.
There is NO requirement to 'guess' how long any part of the trasit will take and pre-emptive decrementing of ttl to do so would be contrary to 791.
While the part you quote shows the untis TTL is measured in and why, HOW and when those units are measured explained pretty much how I described them. From RFC 791:
This field must be decreased at each point that the internet header is processed to reflect the time spent processing the datagram. Even if no local information is available on the time actually spent, the field must be decremented by 1. The time is measured in units of seconds (i.e. the value 1 means one second). Thus, the maximum time to live is 255 seconds or 4.25 minutes. Since every module that processes a datagram must decrease the TTL by at least one even if it process the datagram in less than a second, the TTL must be thought of only as an upper bound on the time a datagram may exist. The intention is to cause undeliverable datagrams to be discarded, and to bound the maximum datagram lifetime.
emphasis mine
Any sender decrementing ttl based on what happens AFTER the datagram leaves it is acting outside the rfc, if any party were to decrement the ttl based on transit time it would make more sense for the reciever to do so, but again this would outside the stated rules for ttl in rfc 791. Though I haven't read any explicit prohibitions against reducing the ttl more than required, it does seem implied by the wording to me (in terrestrial networks it could cause excessive datagram loss and would be pointless elswise).
The rfc makes it pretty clear it's processing time and NOT transit time that is the main concern. Considering that it was written at a time when processing power was at a premium and the intended target of the protocal was terrestrial communications systems considerations for transit time were minimal, though the protocal does allow for timestamping of the datagrams.
Yeah but this is high fantasy where death is a minor inconvenience or excuse to fight evil gods on thier home plane of existance.
Any male Drow elf that can walk out of the underdark and do things DD did isn't gonna back off just 'cause he's dead and isn't likely to be slowed down to much by it anyway.
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I agree with you in principle, and in personal pratice and the standards I set for my subordinates. However they're mostly 16-20 in these jobs and prone to do stupid things.
And frankly they'll be far more likely to try and help if you're nice about it.
Where I work the note is 'manager must serve customer' for such customers (as well a few customers who get manager attention for the OPPOSITE REASON and any other case were it makes sense). Of course rude enough customer get "NOT ACCEPTED NOTIFY MANAGER".
Mycroft
Not tipping the Delivery Driver or Waiter/ress is very rude. The Waitperson is somewhat limmited in how they can retaliate do to having the boss right there, but Drivers far less so and with the costs of gas going up WAY and wages not they have far more motive. Not to mention the fact that without most people tipping delivery drivers there eigther wouldn't be any (you can't put that kinda milage on a car at typical wages for drivers and some places just pay a flat fee per delivery by declaring the driver a sub-contractor) or the costs would go up 10-20%.
You DON'T want to be a known stiff and get a driver on his last day.
Mycroft
Some of them are. But then franchise resturaunts tend to worse than corporate owned ones.
Mycroft
And the company fires said minor to cover it's ass and meanwhile everyone there still see's you as eighter the jerk who got poor sam/jane fired and finds more subtle ways (like scratching half the dvd's you return and causing you to be billed for it) or the bedwetting jerk who got poor .......
Mycroft
The way to create that path of least resistance is by being polite but firm, If you're an ass all he has to do is keep repeating "I'm sorry sir blah blah policy blah" untill you give up or cross a line and get escorted out of the place. ;there long enough he knows how to eigther work around the rules for mr polite, or do the obverse for mr rude.
If the emplyee's been
If you're an ass threating to take your bussiness elsewhere is an idiot move btw, as the person your being an ass too is thinking "thank god" when you say it.
Mycroft
Actually when you're an utter asshole you to get reported up the chain of command, not your complaint mind you, this is so they can bar you from the premisses as needed and otherwise keep track of a potential liability (people who can't behave are violence risk and/or lawsuit risk)
Being a jerk is NEVER a good idea in a bussiness.
1) If you're dealing with a peon (esp a teenager) they likely don't want to report much more than you were a jerk because they don't want someone thinking they did something wrong and fire-ing them.
2) If you're beligerent enough you're not going to get satisfaction but instead you're going to find yourself explaining yourself to a officer friendly.
These are the GOOD results. In the fast food industry dominated by teens being a jerk is a good way to get 'special seasoning' the FDA does not approve of added to your food or worse (as an aside, always tip servers and delivery people).
Always start out polite and friendly, and if the lower level person says they can't do what you want then likely they can't and risk thier job doing so, politely ask for thier supervisor and re-assure them you're not going to blame them (if it really is a policy issue and not a mistake on thier part, in which start by asking for thier boss). If you've talked to the highest ranked person present demanding to see/talk to thier boss right away won't get you anything good.
I'd risk my job telling someone abusive (especially to my employees) to get out LONG before I'll risk breaking policy for such a jerk, yet I'll risk it even faster for someone polite with a legitimate complaint.
Put yourself in thier position, who are you going to help first (if at all); some loudmouthed jerk calling you names and impugning your character/competence or someone politely asking for help/remedy?
The guy in falling down was psycho-nut-job.
Those places are set up like a factory and breakfast is a different group of setting on equipment and materials used than lunch, once everything is changed over to lunch Makeing ONE person breakfast would mean a) everyone ELSE having to 10-15 minutes for lunch b)cost a lot in terms payroll and lost customers from a.
It'd be like asking a car factory that makes pick-up trucks durring the week and sports-coups on the weekend to make one sports coup monday afternoon, think of all the hassle and co$t that would entail. Yes to an ousider it may not be obvoius, but that doesn't make it idiotic.
Mycroft
This is why it pays to be polite and work the people at these big conglomerates. I work for a fair sized company part time as bottom end management and I've excersized more discretion than I'm technically allowed for the polite customers and told people 2-4 levels abouve me about it without worry becuase they've read the e-mails some of the people have sent.
The assholes I do the bare minumum policy requires unless I think they've got a DAMN good reason to be an asshole to me, then I do alot more. Of course I'll invite and asshole to the world (kick out/hang up on) first real good excuse (foul language after being warned, anything resembling a threat of violence) he gives me also.
Mycroft
This is wrong on so many levels.
First everyplace I've ever worked using fould language was
"please be carefull with your language sir, this is a familly establishement." the first time
followed by "I'm sorry if you can't watch your language I have to ask you to leave."
I've called the police once when someone couldn't understand that and wouldn't leave when asked.
I don't know where you got you're screwed idea of customer service, perhaps in some companies that hire people for just that that's what thier told, but I'd rather not work or do bussiness with such a place.
There almost NO excuse (I'm tempted to say none, I can't think of any) for being abusive to someone in these settings. And one GOOD reason not to, that being it pretty much kills any shot of you're getting what want or really anything other than officer friendly escorting you outside and explaining how he has to arrrest you for tresspass if you ever return.
Be nice and polite, but firm, and you'll get a LOT more out of the situation.
I won't bend rules for an asshole (except maybe against him), but I've flat out broken them for the nice and polite people whith an honest issue .
Higher ups tend to support this as anyone willing to be abusive is not likely a repeat customer and is potentialy violent (law suits and workers quiting and bad press gallore) and more likely to be 'gaming' the system for freebes whereas a polite customer is more likely rational with a valid complaint and otherwise the opposite of the abusive customer.
Mycroft
MAD assumes the other side considers dying/destruction worse than destroying/badly hurting the enemy.
I'm not so certain this is the case with Iranian leadership.
Mycroft
Actually there are quite a few people who believe juries have every right to judge the law itself. Indeed why have a 'jury of your peers' otherwise. If was just to judge technical aspects of the law and which side they belived most I would think a jury expert in the apropriate area's of the law and the technical issues otherwise would make more sense.
A jury of peers can however judge the justice of applying the law as written better by virtue of a clearer understaneding of the circumstances of a person in the defendand's circumstances.
Mycroft
Actually this is not limited to dsl, standard dialup is affected to at least some degree.
Perhaps not following the exact same pattern, but it apears the pattern is inconsistant from try to try even from the same host looking up the same record.
I'm on dialup and tested a few bogus domains and my results have varied considerably, with firefox, ping and traceroute (multiple tries each app with each bogus domain). Not that I've not really done anything remotely rigourous in the way of testing, just enough to verify it's happening to me and not consistantly.
Mycroft
Now why would they keep the ads on the page 'whithin reason'?
The fact that the victims here are already paying them, would make them somehow limit how much money they could make with these false pages?
Mycroft
Check and see what the promised in the contract as well.
If they are not giving you the connectivity you paid for including dns they've broken the contract likely.
And DON'T just listen anonymoun non-lawyers like myself, Have a real lawyer go over it with you and be prepared to discuss what the technical parts and problems are and listen to what he says. Lawyers and IT people have very different jargon and making shure both of you undertand the meanings of them could be important (how can the lawyer advise you if he doesn't know the difference between dns and nda? or if you don't?).
Mycroft
Perhaps someone should notify him. Sounds like he might have enough $$ clout to be heard when finds out how his identy has been 'stolen' (used w/o his permision) to perpetrate this sort of internet scam.
Mycroft
Well part of they operate apears to be to lock down outgoing $$ from acounts (but usually allowing incoming$$) for almost any reason and collecting the interest for many months or longer and sometimes the $$ itself.
I'm not claiming this from personal experience mind you, just repeating the gestalt from having read a few of the anti- paypal sites such as paypalsucks.
It's possible all these sites are bogus as are the couple of news articles I've seen.
And definately some of the 'victims' are idiots ("I didn't ship what was paid for for a few months and the idiot buyer complained so paypal gave them back thier $$ the same day I finally did ship it"). However some of the reported reasons for freezing acounts for months on end are such as having once sold something to someone who later didn't ship something he sold to someone else over a year later.
Mycroft
O.K. misread North York for New York.
Still if it's not just a formalism in Canada I'm pretty shure words like that are (or are treated as such by notaries) in some parts of the US. Though it's possible the there's a distiction hidden in the specific wording as it's typically the 'olde english' like language that lawyers abuse.
Though the last few times I've used a notary it just says "sworn before me this date" and a statement that they're a properly liscensed notary.
Mycroft
The notary was in the US so the penalties for being false would be local to NY.
However the wording on what he stamped looks pretty formula to me, it's almost identicle to what I've seen every time I've had to deal with a notary, none of whom I'd seen before or since except perhaps as just another namely bank worker. They just basically compare your id with A)your face and description
and B)the name on whatever thier stamping.
I think "known to me personally" translates to "I actually saw the id and person myself" not "we hang out together on weekends and get drunk at the same bars".
Mycroft
Does Cannada have a 10k reporting law also?
Even if so the trick would be to move the cash through a couple of 'those'
banks (swiss, caymen islands, whoever does the three monkeys bit with money
these days).
Of course in the US (which does have the 10k$ reporting law also has other
laws that would bring serious scrutiny down on a few hundred thousand dollars
jumping around/leaving the country. IIRC you have to get permision/paperwork like
with crypto export laws, originally because of money laundering and likely also
for funding terrorism nowadays.
Also you don't get to keep stolen property in the US. If you bought it in good
faith you don't go to jail (in theory at least), but it goes back to the owner.
Mycroft
Except it's way off. The founders didn't want a standing army and it was an amendment to the constitution that allowed most of the feds taxing of individuals about a century ago IIRC.
Mycroft
While it's true the evolutionary process that generated higher life forms took millions of years, GA systems cover a more specific problem space with a more static environement. They also itterate MUCH faster (100's of generations per second rather than fractional per decade).
However I'd agree if your point is that GA's aren't the holy grail of AI. I don't think there is ONE (emphasis on 1!).
GA's are just a piece ofthe puzzle imho, as are expert systems, neural nets, fuzzy logic, and a host of other systmes.
It seems to me each of these when first introduced was a hammer to the AI community at the time. AS the old saying goes when all you have is a hammer every thing looks like a nail.
Mycroft.
Just don't make it a penal colony or no telling what the lunies might do,
especially if they get the colony's computer on thier side.
Seriously though with solar power lunar surface to earth orbit would be
pretty cheap (damn near free for refined metals) using a mass driver.
Mycroft
How about a mass driver to send back any lunar products.
If you're sending back metals it's pretty cheap to do and
aside from basic maintenance and initial installation,
essentially free.
Solar power to run it and a decent computer to aim it.
You could even send the slag up for shielding/soil in some
O'Neil colonies.
Lot's of usefull possibilities for a lunar mass-driver.
Non-metalic and Earth surface destination cargo's would need
a bit more of a an outer shell, but little to no propulsion stage.
Mycroft
While the part you quote shows the untis TTL is measured in and why, HOW and when those units are measured explained pretty much how I described them.
From RFC 791:
emphasis mine
Any sender decrementing ttl based on what happens AFTER the datagram leaves
it is acting outside the rfc, if any party were to decrement the ttl based on
transit time it would make more sense for the reciever to do so, but again this
would outside the stated rules for ttl in rfc 791. Though I haven't read any
explicit prohibitions against reducing the ttl more than required, it does seem
implied by the wording to me (in terrestrial networks it could cause excessive
datagram loss and would be pointless elswise).
The rfc makes it pretty clear it's processing time and NOT transit time
that is the main concern. Considering that it was written at a time when
processing power was at a premium and the intended target of the protocal
was terrestrial communications systems considerations for transit time were
minimal, though the protocal does allow for timestamping of the datagrams.
Mycroft
Yeah but this is high fantasy where death is a minor inconvenience or excuse to fight evil gods on thier home plane of existance.
Any male Drow elf that can walk out of the underdark and do things DD did isn't gonna back off just 'cause he's dead and isn't likely to be slowed down to much by it anyway.
Mycroft