Kinda mashed a coupla ideas together there(me). The whole make it illeagle issue wasn't about the virus writers, but about the poor smuck who lost his original of something (maybe a home movie) or some other vital thing needed and now can't back up something important (such as perhaps a vacation video taken just before his familly tragically died or even just Little joe's last birthday party).
As far as the cer system goes, if they go with no way to deal with a broken key(set) directly then once broken forever broken and as tech gets better even reasonable encryption by todays standards will eventually be broken, so the scheem at the very least has to have a method to migrate old items to heavier encryption.
I considered most drm to be snake oil (do the hard cracking work just once and distribute the knowhow and bam the whole world can run crackit.exe), but this level of drm makes the job much harder and effectively raises the challange up to and beyond mod chipping your xbox. Once it's down to that level the number of people able and willing to take a soldering iron and some obscure parts to thier pc drops down to prosecutable levels and the *aa can more effectively target those 'evil pirates' when they aren't as likely to be the nice kid next door or your little sister.
And of course as you pointed out the virus writers are ALLREADY willing to be the 'evil hacker' and wanted criminals so this meerly adds more challenge and thus more cr3d and l337 to thier skills.
I was just pointing out he called names and then bitched about the one he called a name calling names.
I've always thought that quote (judge not...) was a warning, not an injunction.
Mankind can't help but judge, it's in our nature. Unless of course it's talking about final kinda judgements where you make up your mind then close it. That's usually just stupid. But ongoing judgement is kinda required to have a society at all.
Some of the most 'christian' people I've met have actually been pagans. Most actual christians I've met who've so identified themselves have fallen into the group I call hippocristians (hippocrite+christian).
AHH now I get it. Sorry I didn't even realize they were only intoducing the drm in the dual cores.
In that case the target audience is indeed likely to small and sophisticated (not including rich kids and others with more money than sense) to buy marketing crap or get swept up in groupthink/lemming mentality.
However if that group doesn't kill it I fear inertia as it trickles down to the 'common' desktop system may kick in. Plus they'd have the advantage of joe saying to himself 'gee all these power users have been o.k. with it, guess they know what they're doing'.
I hope the narrow niche they're trying to foist this off on first does indeed say 'no thanks' with a nice loud wallet pointed at a non-drm solution.
Actually that's only true when the app your installing is for the specific version of the specific distro. Sometimes you get a bit of leeway in version minor number, and with luck a closely related distro might be bent into running your app, especially if it's a simple app. Elsewise dependancies and settings and such will occupy quite a bit of time before you find out it won't work without a recompile and then maybe it will.
Where linux usually shines is in the install of the distro (if you don't have one the diminishingly small number of unsuported hardware items) not add on software.
The one thing about linux distro's I tend to like the most is boot cd, make the choices you want and leave the rest at default, wait a few minutes, use. Also distro's tend to come with lots of software AND usually the tools to make your own if your so inclined.
The thing I like the least is adding any software NOT on the original disks, or configuring things after the install process.
Beyond wallpapers and themes it's pot-luck whether you'll be able to configure anything in particular if you don't know which set of arcane cli commands to use or where a config file is and what it's called and what arcane gobledy gook it requires to do what you want.
As for command lines and config files, the thing I like best about them is that they allow you to automate just about any process. But most desktop distros these days have GUIs too, so stating that command line and scripting are available for admins does not imply that we expect users to use them as well.
Except that's to often the exact situation. If you don't know how to edit the right files by hand (and what files they are and where they are) you are likely not going to be able to do anything other than the distro makers best guess, which is only a guess.
Heck the last distro I tried (Ubuntu 64bit) you couldn't even do what the distro makers implied you could do because it made guesses about file types you could change, random guesses at that with no consistancy (some.iso files where audio/mp3 some where indeed cd images, no pattern to it I could discern) and there was NO way to change that within the gui and after an hour or two of digging around I gave trying to find the right file to edit or how.
IF they were only extra and not a necessary knowledge to simple use I'd agree with this paragraph, but it's simply not the case.
There are a lot of good things about linux, but config file hell is still an issue.
Pardon me but I have NO clue what you're trying to say here. Seriously I can't tell whether you agree disagree or have a related point to make.
Not even shure who 'these guys' are, I think it's the cluefull minority who have a good use for dual processing and thus know better than the marketing Joe average swallows with breakfast, but what that has to do with drm I don't know.
This is really a key point. Will it be crap scheme, or will it use a hard, robust encryption.
If the later with a decent size key the hardware needed to break the system is beyond anyone likely to use it for that purpose and the odds of a crack for eigther the virus writers or legitimate users becomes pretty tiny.
Here the only hope would be someone on the inside releasing the master keysets. Then it becomes like the digital certs online, the next round of software and hardware 'revoke' the old keys so that all you can do is go online to update the keysets for everything you own.
Of course if it's css level encryption (only slightly better than rot13 I hear) then we get the constant break revoke replace etc. cycle sooner and on a slightly faster time table.
But considering the *aa's managed to make breaking even css a crime (sorta, see the dmca for details) they'll probably try and criminalize bypassing trusted computing as well and get prosocutions where they can under existing (dmca) laws.
Actually they'll make a big issue of how viruses won't be able to run because they're not 'blessed' and how it can be used to make shure you have the best drivers and how it'll block terrorist (have no clue how they could claim the last, but I'm shure they'll find a way) and so on.
And of course they'll do what they can to make shure the alternatives aren't used (ala microsoft if necessary, except here with MS'S help).
Plus if Windows won't run (and thus the games/office/etc.) because the system lacks this wonder feature then most people will not only buy it, but actually insist on this new magic chip features that stops viruses, beats OBL and cures Yaws.
With the DRM they are proposing the 'software' is built into the cpu and bios and motherboard chipset and is running from the moment the system is powered on.
If linux doesn't 'support it' it won't be allowed to run, at all, not even the installer.
I seem to recall somewhere an emperor did something like that, required everyone to pick a family name by choosing from the words of ONE poem he liked.
IIRC it was China or Japan, but I'm honestly not shure.
All that sounds good, but misses the MOST critical part. THE APPLICATIONS
If it can't run all the apps people depend on then they won't buy it.
Some bussinesses are running apps developed for win3.1 because they're the only apps that do something mission critical or that can work with important data files.
There are a lot of gammers out there that would LOVE to have an os that both plays thier games and lets them tweak an extra 7 fps on top of the 1427 they already get, but since thier games only run on windows that's what they use.
In planning for the future one cannot forget the past.
That's a local cultural thing, names and thier genders that is.
Anyone with the Name mitsurugi would get some odd reactions here (USA-Midwest) as it's not exactly Bob or Sue or Timmothy.
I could see where it might sound more or less feminin or masculin depending one the cultural norms, or even era.
I had Neighbor whoes middle name was Laverne. Currently that would be thought of us someones aunt, yet when he was named (around 1900!) it was o.k. to give a boy the name Laverne, at least for a middle name.
That hoopla and finger waving is 'spot on'?!?! Joe average's eyes is gonna glaze over with intructions like that. If it's not point and click hoe user thinks it's broke or something for a professional to do.
That may or may not fix ONE instance of a systemic problem.
Linux distros/versions vary to much to make installing anything not on the install disks a gamble. Though you can improve your odds by being lucky enough to have broadband and a distro that supports a good install system for 'blessed' packages.
That's a pretty good description of over half of everything I've tried to install on any working Linux distro, and not all have worked. (two major numbers of mandrake gave me devide by 0 errors durring install on three different systems, ubuntu 64bit was useless once installed, and a few others had issues)
Yet I've rarely had issues like that with windows. I've installed and run 3.11 software on a an me setup just fine.
This ticks me off becaus I'm tired of windows crap, but if you don't get it on the cd that came with the distro it's a gamble at best to get it to work.
Quite possibly, back when I worked in that factory Kingsford was one of people sending us bags to fill. All the charcoal was the same, no K's on any of it.
The first review on the page you linked to paned it. He said it was about as good as the current trillogy, which are crap.
Talks about how any conflict with Mace or Anakin is totaly laking in suspence because those two so clearly outpower everything thrown at them.
Says to watch in any order as it makes no difference.
Says it's mostly Anakin being a brat and Mace being unstopable and oh yeah here's this Grievious guy you'll see in the movie.
And this is the first review in your rotten tomatoes link. Why on earth should I google for your supposition that everyone likes it when the FIRST review you linked to proves that some people just don't like it.
The twenty years (give or take) is the timeline to go from a concept that 'theorecticly' works to and actual working model.
The prototype is for testing planning and reasearch needed to take the idea to working stage.
Just think of how many prototype optical computing subcomponents have been demonstrated, yet how many optical computers can I buy at circuit city or best buy? How about holographic computer memory?
Considering he's devloping and building a battlestation so big Luke, Han and crew had issues believing it's size with a weapon that can destroy a planet 20 years doesn't seem so long.
For the same reason the Shuttle named Enterprise was never used. It was the prototype and used to test/prove several systems, but some of what they learned building it showed it wouldn't ever work in a full on mission.
I'm sorry, but calling them animation is even a stretch. They are a single frame shown for a few seconds followed by another frame and so on most of the time. This is akin to holding a comic strip up to the camera, only worse.
O.K. ocasionaly durring the ten or so seconds each cell is shown they animate someones hair blowing in the wind on a 5 frame loop, but that's it.
The story plots are almost non-existant and clearly the whole thing is aimed at a single digit age range, low single digit.
The biggest difference between the 'animation' they used and the seventies is the parts that are gonna break five frames later aren't a slightly different color. That and I'm pretty shure the higher budget stuff managed to change the frame at least once a second in the seventies.
Also in the seventies and eighties that was state of the art and very labour intensive. Now it's just lazy and cheap.
Admitedly that horrible distorted versioning of things is a recongized style that some actually like (not me, don't like pain either but masochism is also a recognized 'like' people have).
And the rediculous 'Jedi can jump miles at a time' and other elements that completely blow the feeble attempt at suspension of disbelief.
I've seen decent and good anime, and the crap. The only reason I recognize the anime elements is because I've seen too many of the crap anime.
Sorry but 'glowing reviews'(the link you provided links to a pan one good and two mixed review, the good review praises this guy for power puff girls, nuff said) do not provide a plot where there is none, do not provide acting or writing where there is none, do not provide animation where there is almost none.
As far as the light saber battles, sheesh how is a still of someone holding a sabre in an akward stance facing enemies followed a few seconds later by him holding it in another untennable position while the enemies are are all shown in mid fall better than an expertly coreographed scene using actuall sword style better?!?!?!?!
Lots of people make the mistake of thinking of Starwars as Science Fiction, and truthfully there is lots of valid argument over what that means, but IMHO StarWars is Space Opera and meldrama. Science fantasy is term that comes to mind as well.
OF course the science has holes you could fly the SECOND death star through. It's not hard science fiction, and really not science fiction at all.
Believe me I'm a big fan with fond memories of the original three, tolerate I and II, and think ROTS was pretty good if you overlook a few gaffes and polish some elements up.
But there is still Han Solo boasting "She made the kessle run in under twelve parsecs" to boast of the falcon's speed (a nonsense statement without some serious reaching and exposition in one of the books). There is still sudden shift from just settling in on Dagobah to the way they shifted to evacuation as if they'd been getting ready to leave rather than settle in.
Nothing is perfect, but taken in context SW is pretty impressive on many fronts and most of all a good story well told for the most part (imho).
I believe the original trillogy has earned thier place in history.
Unless you mean a specific standardized universe Lucas didn't do anything new there.
Authors have been doing it for some time as have movies (the OLD buck-rogers serials).
Sorry to say it but Lucas's legacy is the Marketing Tie In. Seriously, before ANH marketting tie ins were mostly a minor adjunct to advertising the movie.
He aslo revolutionized SFX and brought some serious cred to SF on the silver screen and created a wonder mythology that some are convinced he's trying to destroy with prequals though.
In a sense that was the best and worst parts of the movie.
I guess it's like why people like some the really blantant suspenseless horror movies so they can yell don't go down the stairs at the screen.
I kept seeing places where the if just one sentence was said or not said, or one small change in any number of places, Anakin might have ended up on the good guys side at the end.
Slashdot Mirror
Kinda mashed a coupla ideas together there(me).
The whole make it illeagle issue wasn't about the virus writers, but about the poor smuck who lost his original of something (maybe a home movie) or some other vital thing needed and now can't back up something important (such as perhaps a vacation video taken just before his familly tragically died or even just Little joe's last birthday party).
As far as the cer system goes, if they go with no way to deal with a broken key(set) directly then once broken forever broken and as tech gets better even reasonable encryption by todays standards will eventually be broken, so the scheem at the very least has to have a method to migrate old items to heavier encryption.
I considered most drm to be snake oil (do the hard cracking work just once and distribute the knowhow and bam the whole world can run crackit.exe), but this level of drm makes the job much harder and effectively raises the challange up to and beyond mod chipping your xbox. Once it's down to that level the number of people able and willing to take a soldering iron and some obscure parts to thier pc drops down to prosecutable levels and the *aa can more effectively target those 'evil pirates' when they aren't as likely to be the nice kid next door or your little sister.
And of course as you pointed out the virus writers are ALLREADY willing to be the 'evil hacker' and wanted criminals so this meerly adds more challenge and thus more cr3d and l337 to thier skills.
Mycroft
I was just pointing out he called names and then bitched about the one he called a name calling names.
I've always thought that quote (judge not...) was a warning, not an injunction.
Mankind can't help but judge, it's in our nature. Unless of course it's talking about final kinda judgements where you make up your mind then close it. That's usually just stupid. But ongoing judgement is kinda required to have a society at all.
Some of the most 'christian' people I've met have actually been pagans. Most actual christians I've met who've so identified themselves have fallen into the group I call hippocristians (hippocrite+christian).
Mycroft
AHH now I get it. Sorry I didn't even realize they were only intoducing the drm in the dual cores.
In that case the target audience is indeed likely to small and sophisticated (not including rich kids and others with more money than sense) to buy marketing crap or get swept up in groupthink/lemming mentality.
However if that group doesn't kill it I fear inertia as it trickles down to the 'common' desktop system may kick in. Plus they'd have the advantage of joe saying to himself 'gee all these power users have been o.k. with it, guess they know what they're doing'.
I hope the narrow niche they're trying to foist this off on first does indeed say 'no thanks' with a nice loud wallet pointed at a non-drm solution.
Mycroft
"You have such a small mind...So instead of reflecting upon your own shortcomings, you belittle those that have another view."
I think something about pots and kettles or maybe stones goes here.
Mycroft
Actually that's only true when the app your installing is for the specific version of the specific distro. Sometimes you get a bit of leeway in version minor number, and with luck a closely related distro might be bent into running your app, especially if it's a simple app. Elsewise dependancies and settings and such will occupy quite a bit of time before you find out it won't work without a recompile and then maybe it will.
Where linux usually shines is in the install of the distro (if you don't have one the diminishingly small number of unsuported hardware items) not add on software.
The one thing about linux distro's I tend to like the most is boot cd, make the choices you want and leave the rest at default, wait a few minutes, use. Also distro's tend to come with lots of software AND usually the tools to make your own if your so inclined.
The thing I like the least is adding any software NOT on the original disks, or configuring things after the install process.
Beyond wallpapers and themes it's pot-luck whether you'll be able to configure anything in particular if you don't know which set of arcane cli commands to use or where a config file is and what it's called and what arcane gobledy gook it requires to do what you want.
Mycroft
oops forgott about slashdot's confusion over extrans/plain-text. Sorry about that.
Mycroft
Except that's to often the exact situation. If you don't know how to edit the right files by hand (and what files they are and where they are) you are likely not going to be able to do anything other than the distro makers best guess, which is only a guess.
Heck the last distro I tried (Ubuntu 64bit) you couldn't even do what the distro makers implied you could do because it made guesses about file types you could change, random guesses at that with no consistancy (some
IF they were only extra and not a necessary knowledge to simple use I'd agree with this paragraph, but it's simply not the case.
There are a lot of good things about linux, but config file hell is still an issue.
Mycroft
Pardon me but I have NO clue what you're trying to say here. Seriously I can't tell whether you agree disagree or have a related point to make.
Not even shure who 'these guys' are, I think it's the cluefull minority who have a good use for dual processing and thus know better than the marketing Joe average swallows with breakfast, but what that has to do with drm I don't know.
Mycroft
This is really a key point. Will it be crap scheme, or will it use a hard, robust encryption.
If the later with a decent size key the hardware needed to break the system is beyond anyone likely to use it for that purpose and the odds of a crack for eigther the virus writers or legitimate users becomes pretty tiny.
Here the only hope would be someone on the inside releasing the master keysets. Then it becomes like the digital certs online, the next round of software and hardware 'revoke' the old keys so that all you can do is go online to update the keysets for everything you own.
Of course if it's css level encryption (only slightly better than rot13 I hear) then we get the constant break revoke replace etc. cycle sooner and on a slightly faster time table.
But considering the *aa's managed to make breaking even css a crime (sorta, see the dmca for details) they'll probably try and criminalize bypassing trusted computing as well and get prosocutions where they can under existing (dmca) laws.
Mycroft
Because that's exactly how they'll market it.
Actually they'll make a big issue of how viruses won't be able to run because they're not 'blessed' and how it can be used to make shure you have the best drivers and how it'll block terrorist (have no clue how they could claim the last, but I'm shure they'll find a way) and so on.
And of course they'll do what they can to make shure the alternatives aren't used (ala microsoft if necessary, except here with MS'S help).
Plus if Windows won't run (and thus the games/office/etc.) because the system lacks this wonder feature then most people will not only buy it, but actually insist on this new magic chip features that stops viruses, beats OBL and cures Yaws.
Mycroft
With the DRM they are proposing the 'software' is built into the cpu and bios and motherboard chipset and is running from the moment the system is powered on.
If linux doesn't 'support it' it won't be allowed to run, at all, not even the installer.
Mycroft
I seem to recall somewhere an emperor did something like that, required everyone to pick a family name by choosing from the words of ONE poem he liked.
IIRC it was China or Japan, but I'm honestly not shure.
Mycroft
All that sounds good, but misses the MOST critical part. THE APPLICATIONS
If it can't run all the apps people depend on then they won't buy it.
Some bussinesses are running apps developed for win3.1 because they're the only apps that do something mission critical or that can work with important data files.
There are a lot of gammers out there that would LOVE to have an os that both plays thier games and lets them tweak an extra 7 fps on top of the 1427 they already get, but since thier games only run on windows that's what they use.
In planning for the future one cannot forget the past.
Mycroft
That's a local cultural thing, names and thier genders that is.
Anyone with the Name mitsurugi would get some odd reactions here (USA-Midwest) as it's not exactly Bob or Sue or Timmothy.
I could see where it might sound more or less feminin or masculin depending one the cultural norms, or even era.
I had Neighbor whoes middle name was Laverne. Currently that would be thought of us someones aunt, yet when he was named (around 1900!) it was o.k. to give a boy the name Laverne, at least for a middle name.
Mycroft
That hoopla and finger waving is 'spot on'?!?!
Joe average's eyes is gonna glaze over with intructions like that. If it's not point and click hoe user thinks it's broke or something for a professional to do.
Mycroft
That may or may not fix ONE instance of a systemic problem.
Linux distros/versions vary to much to make installing anything not on the install disks a gamble. Though you can improve your odds by being lucky enough to have broadband and a distro that supports a good install system for 'blessed' packages.
Mycroft
That's a pretty good description of over half of everything I've tried to install on any working Linux distro, and not all have worked. (two major numbers of mandrake gave me devide by 0 errors durring install on three different systems, ubuntu 64bit was useless once installed, and a few others had issues)
Yet I've rarely had issues like that with windows. I've installed and run 3.11 software on a an me setup just fine.
This ticks me off becaus I'm tired of windows crap, but if you don't get it on the cd that came with the distro it's a gamble at best to get it to work.
Mycroft
Quite possibly, back when I worked in that factory Kingsford was one of people sending us bags to fill. All the charcoal was the same, no K's on any of it.
Mycroft
The first review on the page you linked to paned it. He said it was about as good as the current trillogy, which are crap.
Talks about how any conflict with Mace or Anakin is totaly laking in suspence because those two so clearly outpower everything thrown at them.
Says to watch in any order as it makes no difference.
Says it's mostly Anakin being a brat and Mace being unstopable and oh yeah here's this Grievious guy you'll see in the movie.
And this is the first review in your rotten tomatoes link. Why on earth should I google for your supposition that everyone likes it when the FIRST review you linked to proves that some people just don't like it.
Mycroft
The twenty years (give or take) is the timeline to go from a concept that 'theorecticly' works to and actual working model.
The prototype is for testing planning and reasearch needed to take the idea to working stage.
Just think of how many prototype optical computing subcomponents have been demonstrated, yet how many optical computers can I buy at circuit city or best buy? How about holographic computer memory?
Considering he's devloping and building a battlestation so big Luke, Han and crew had issues believing it's size with a weapon that can destroy a planet 20 years doesn't seem so long.
Mycroft
For the same reason the Shuttle named Enterprise was never used. It was the prototype and used to test/prove several systems, but some of what they learned building it showed it wouldn't ever work in a full on mission.
Mycroft
I'm sorry, but calling them animation is even a stretch. They are a single frame shown for a few seconds followed by another frame and so on most of the time. This is akin to holding a comic strip up to the camera, only worse.
O.K. ocasionaly durring the ten or so seconds each cell is shown they animate someones hair blowing in the wind on a 5 frame loop, but that's it.
The story plots are almost non-existant and clearly the whole thing is aimed at a single digit age range, low single digit.
The biggest difference between the 'animation' they used and the seventies is the parts that are gonna break five frames later aren't a slightly different color. That and I'm pretty shure the higher budget stuff managed to change the frame at least once a second in the seventies.
Also in the seventies and eighties that was state of the art and very labour intensive. Now it's just lazy and cheap.
Admitedly that horrible distorted versioning of things is a recongized style that some actually like (not me, don't like pain either but masochism is also a recognized 'like' people have).
And the rediculous 'Jedi can jump miles at a time' and other elements that completely blow the feeble attempt at suspension of disbelief.
I've seen decent and good anime, and the crap. The only reason I recognize the anime elements is because I've seen too many of the crap anime.
Sorry but 'glowing reviews'(the link you provided links to a pan one good and two mixed review, the good review praises this guy for power puff girls, nuff said) do not provide a plot where there is none, do not provide acting or writing where there is none, do not provide animation where there is almost none.
As far as the light saber battles, sheesh how is a still of someone holding a sabre in an akward stance facing enemies followed a few seconds later by him holding it in another untennable position while the enemies are are all shown in mid fall better than an expertly coreographed scene using actuall sword style better?!?!?!?!
Mycroft
Lots of people make the mistake of thinking of Starwars as Science Fiction, and truthfully there is lots of valid argument over what that means, but IMHO StarWars is Space Opera and meldrama. Science fantasy is term that comes to mind as well.
OF course the science has holes you could fly the SECOND death star through. It's not hard science fiction, and really not science fiction at all.
Believe me I'm a big fan with fond memories of the original three, tolerate I and II, and think ROTS was pretty good if you overlook a few gaffes and polish some elements up.
But there is still Han Solo boasting "She made the kessle run in under twelve parsecs" to boast of the falcon's speed (a nonsense statement without some serious reaching and exposition in one of the books). There is still sudden shift from just settling in on Dagobah to the way they shifted to evacuation as if they'd been getting ready to leave rather than settle in.
Nothing is perfect, but taken in context SW is pretty impressive on many fronts and most of all a good story well told for the most part (imho).
I believe the original trillogy has earned thier place in history.
Mycroft
Unless you mean a specific standardized universe Lucas didn't do anything new there.
Authors have been doing it for some time as have movies (the OLD buck-rogers serials).
Sorry to say it but Lucas's legacy is the Marketing Tie In. Seriously, before ANH marketting tie ins were mostly a minor adjunct to advertising the movie.
He aslo revolutionized SFX and brought some serious cred to SF on the silver screen and created a wonder mythology that some are convinced he's trying to destroy with prequals though.
Mycroft
In a sense that was the best and worst parts of the movie.
I guess it's like why people like some the really blantant suspenseless horror movies so they can yell don't go down the stairs at the screen.
I kept seeing places where the if just one sentence was said or not said, or one small change in any number of places, Anakin might have ended up on the good guys side at the end.
Mycroft