Unfortunately lots of free/shareware 'anti-spyware' tools generate false postives and do other 'wrong' things to get you to buy the full version. Some only find the malware, but make you pay to clean them out, and some don't work so well and worst are the ones that install thier own spyware and only clean out 'competitors'.
There is a site that tracks and lists quite a few 'rouge' anti-spyware programs: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.h tm
One of the things they advise against is following any google add, seems buying adds on google is very popular with the bad anti-spyware makers.
Personally I just stick with spybot S&D and adaware for most malware and avg for anti-virus.
And the LAST thing I'd ever do is trust some website to scan my computer, no telling what info they are collecting along with the scan to provide 'marketing data' for thier 'bussiness partners'.
Far more important than how much it is in $us is how much it is relative to an average Turkish citizens pay for one day. If they get paid 1 billion lira an hour, it's chump change. If they get paid 1000 lira a day almost 11.5 years pay.
I do not know what typical pay is over there, or even how it compares (standard of living wise) to typical wages here in the midwest of the USA.
I once heard that automated, pre-recorded, telemarketing was made illeagle. I do know it used to happen then stoped suddenly, now it's back.
Anyone know what happened? Did a law get passed, but fall to a sunset clause? Or did some b.s. I heard somewhere just happen to line up with my limited experiences?
I sincerely hope they didn't count any of those calls against his minute totals in any way shape or form, else he'd have a good case for saying they did it just to cost him money. I'm shure but that may be illeagle two ways, or at least it should be.
I understand your reasoning there, and it makes a certain sense, the part your missing is that any organization that spends $20,000 on a toilet doesn't HAVE much in the way of sense. So expecting them to do something that makes sense is, well, non-sensical.
However I can just see it if they used it for a fighter crafts o.s.
After a fighter goese down durring testing.
Kernel: "What the heck happened up there"
Test Pilot: "well my plane crashed then it hit the ground"
Kernal: "don't you mean it crashed WHEN it hit the ground, and what kinda report is that test pilot."
Test Pilot: "No sir, it crashed first, all my controlls turned blue, the HUD flashed the name of some general named Fault and gave his service number, though not like any service number I've ever seen. Good thing the ejection seat has a manual backup, the automatic one just caused an hourglass symboll on the digital airspeed indicator and it said somthing about a cd. That's when I pulled the manual releas lever and got out."
That's what I don't get, most news stories I ever see on spam eigther talk about the spammer, how spam affects people, legislation about spam, or how to protect yourself against spam. Allways about the problem an how horrible it is.
What I want to see is news stories about who pays for/benifits from spam.
The one time I saw a news story (a local broadcast, it was a 'filler story') that adressed the roots of the problem it turned out many of the 'm0rt4ge at low r.-a.-t.-e.-s' started as real banks hiring some company to ge them leads, said company then does standard research (scan credit reports, look for loans with high rates, send out mailings, ect.) as well as hire a spammer or subcontractor who hires a spammer. Many of these companies didn't even know HOW they were getting the leads to follow up on, they just simply paid for each one, sometimes with a bonus if the lead works out. Many of these companies who were interviewed were 'shocked' that they had unwittingly funded spam. Though one company did have a clause in thier contracts saying they don't pay for spam generated leads.
And out of the brodcast news bits on spam that I've seen it was the only story to look into that aspect of it.
I've not seen that much better online.
That's why the fabricator is cheap(1199.99), but only comes with starter cartridges that aren't even half full. Replacement cartridges are 599.99 each and you need 6 in most fabricators for maxim capability.
Except you only have to win ONCE if you fight it. (hopefully, some small town judges only care if they can put your cash in the town treasury, from whence come thier paycheck)
So which cost more, Get one ticket thrown out through a couple or three court apearances, or pay parking tickets repeatedly.
Of course the cheapest rout is to park in the expected way. But if the law allows for parking in that direction I'd fight it.
More like ONLY with an airfoil designed for the pressure. Someone else in this thread linked to the Xplane site where they tried setting for mars pressure and gravity. One design that actually worked was like a modified u2, HUGE wings, and it still had to go over 500mph or stall. And it needed aircraft carrier type aresters to stop.
Not shure how accurate his simulation is, but Xplane has a fairly high rep for a pc simulator (unluss I'm confusing it with another simulator) so it's not likely off by much.
So yeah, vertical thrust would be needed for a leisurly cruise. Still with an automated system (nice long speed of light delay make realtime remote controll impossible) you just need faster sensors.
Not shure how big an airfoil would have to be to keep a plane aloft at less than 100mph. I imagine somthing with a body size akin to a small go cart might need something the size 747 wings, but made of very light plastics (inflated? lots of room for solar cells though).
Unfortunately slow doesn't work so well on Mars where the atmospheric pressure is 1% that of the Earth's.
The lower the atmospheric pressure the higher your stall speed.
One thing occures to me, this assumes you do all your data collection while on the ground. I would think there would be some utility to the data collected while flying. You are much closer than an orbital satalite, yet up high enough to observe an area many meters wide and as long as your flight path.
"Which religion forbids "white after Labor Day"? "
It's an odd one, kinda mainstream though with cultish features. It usually recruits middle class on up, or those wishing to apear more affluent. It's called 'fashion' IIRC.
Not all spammers get $$ by people buying somthing from them. Sometimes the site linked to in the email has a referer in it and leads to some site other than the e-mailer's and they get paid based onthat reffer id being assosiated with a particular non-acredited mortage loan for penis enlargement pills.
There are other ways they make money, and some is just random guessing to find valid emails (via various mechanism) for re-sale to other spammers.
I'd swear some of this spam is pure bs to entertain the spammer who could care less about making $$ than simply seeing how many people he piss off with idiot e-mails and chain letters(AOL in conjuction with microsoft and the fda are tracking this e-mail, send it to 183 close friends in the next 27.34 minutes or we kill a kitten and you'll come down with warts!).
I don't know how long they will be able to keep it up. They say that it's not a ddos attack because they throttle back if a targetted server starts to falter, but I'm not so shure that disqualifies it from being a ddos attack. Especially considering that effectively denying the tagets 'service' is what they're trying to do (never mind that spammers shouldn' even have service to begin with in a civil society). I'm not rooting for the spammers by any means, but I do worry about Joe jobs and the like as well as what the courts could do that has uninted side effects, even if it's not the courts where I live.
I'm not shure how 'the key is time shifting'. You are aware that e.g. taping and wathing over and over a brodcast program at home is legal (though of doubtfull sanity for most tv shows) aren't you?
Though sometimes time shifting is why I tape a program, I'm almost as likely to tape it while watching it because I want to be able to watch it again later. Both are pretty rare as I find most tv to be crap, and only watch two tv shows a week, and on very rare occasion something historical or documentary-ish on pbs.
You might this relevant. It is from the Sony vs Universal case before SCOTUS which also where 'time-shifting' became so bandied about wrt copies of broadcast television and the like.
If it's badly formatted I appologize for the cut and paste artifacts, I've tried to fix them, but may have made mistakes.
The District Court concluded that noncommercial home use recording of material broadcast over the public airwaves was a fair use of copyrighted works and did not constitute copyright infringement. It emphasized the fact that the material was broadcast free to the public at large, the noncommercial character of the use, and the private character of the activity conducted entirely within the home. Moreover, the court found that the purpose of this use served the public interest in increasing access to television programming, an interest that "is consistent with the First Amendment policy of providing the fullest possible access to information through the public airwaves. Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc. v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94, 102." Id., at 454. n8 Even when an entire copyrighted work was recorded, [p.426] the District Court regarded the copying as fair use "because there is no accompanying reduction in the market for 'plaintiff's original work.'" Ibid.
Hope this helps. Please take note of the 'original work' part, a poster bellow seems to misread me as to include the dvd/vhs versions released later which often are not verbatim copies of the 'original work'. These often have extras such as longer versions of scenes or 'making of' info and are NOT what I'm primarily talking about.
Personaly I find it objectionable to give something away for free then throw a fit when people get more enjoyment out of it than you intended without paying for the extra enjoyment.
Notice I how I phrased things? Asking questions, not making statements. I was throwing it out to discuss what if any lines could be drawn.
I SAID NOTHING about the difference between broadcast and dvd/vhs releases of the program. That seems to be your whole point, thus not related to my question without an assumption on your part. Addmittedly I could have clearer in making shure the comparsion was between dowloading a copy of the over the air version and using ones own recording.
I'm pretty much of the opinion that if you are downloading what it would be leagle for you to tape, i.e. the over the air broacast version, then it shouldn't be considered a violation as then you are punishing the mechanism, not the deed so to speak, when the mechanism itself makes no significant change to end result nor creats harm in of itself. But perhaps others can see some harm I cannot (legitimate harm, not harm caused reaction to false perceptions). But this is a soft opinion in that I am still open to discussion, sort of my first take on the issue.
So in other words your advertising is based on 'I double dare you' whereas ours is based on 'it's great I cross my heart hope to die'.
I strongly suspect they're BOTH aimed at the same level of intellegince, but adjusted for cultural differences. Just compare the different advertising stratagies used regionally in the US and you start to see it. I've seen ads by company x in other parts of the US and thought 'I thought x treated us as idiots at home, but here they don't even give them that much credit'. Only to visitors here say 'geeze I thought our adds were stupid, but you get total crap out here'.
But what if I had recorded every epsode that was BRODCAST for FREE over the air?
The difference is only in mechanism, not result. I have a friend who managed to tape every episode of st:tng, now if he were to transfer those to computer and clean all the comercials out watch them off the hard-drive, how is his result any different than someone who downloaded those episodes?
How is one copyright infringement (for him), where the other is leagaly allowed time-shifting which the supreme court upheld as fair use. Or rather how does it make sense to have the distinction.
The tv show's producers made thier money by selling advertising when it was originally broadcast. Unlike movies (well recently they've added blantant comercials, and they've had 'product placement' for some time) which derive thier revenue from theatrical release and sales of individual copies.
Actually he just uses regular alkalines in his, and the light never shuts off, just dims a bit. and the thing rarely gets past 4 weeks, usually it starts dying midway through the third and goes out completely within a day or two at most.
I was under the impression the led was an eyecandy item and an IR led or laser was used for tracking, at least I've seen optical mice without a visible led.
His looks a lot like the intelli-mouse series, but it's part of wireless keyboard and mouse combe that only has one reciever, that odly enough connect to both a usb and a ps2 conector (ps2 for the kb and usb for the mouse iirc).
No mod points today so I'll just have to add a me-to post. (If I had them it'd be insightful, that's one of those 'so obvious everyone missed it and now feels stupid' observations)
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Unfortunately lots of free/shareware 'anti-spyware' tools generate false postives and do other 'wrong' things to get you to buy the full version. Some only find the malware, but make you pay to clean them out, and some don't work so well and worst are the ones that install thier own spyware and only clean out 'competitors'.
There is a site that tracks and lists quite a few 'rouge' anti-spyware programs:
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.
One of the things they advise against is following any google add, seems buying adds on google is very popular with the bad anti-spyware makers.
Personally I just stick with spybot S&D and adaware for most malware and avg for anti-virus.
And the LAST thing I'd ever do is trust some website to scan my computer, no telling what info they are collecting along with the scan to provide 'marketing data' for thier 'bussiness partners'.
Mycroft
Far more important than how much it is in $us is how much it is relative to an average Turkish citizens pay for one day. If they get paid 1 billion lira an hour, it's chump change. If they get paid 1000 lira a day almost 11.5 years pay.
I do not know what typical pay is over there, or even how it compares (standard of living wise) to typical wages here in the midwest of the USA.
Mycroft
Arrested? I thought Clinton LIKED it when ladies, oh wait I've got it backwards, nevermind.
Seriously though, I hope her lawyer took nice chunk outa the apropriate authorities over this.
Mycroft
I once heard that automated, pre-recorded, telemarketing was made illeagle. I do know it used to happen then stoped suddenly, now it's back.
Anyone know what happened? Did a law get passed, but fall to a sunset clause? Or did some b.s. I heard somewhere just happen to line up with my limited experiences?
Mycroft
I sincerely hope they didn't count any of those calls against his minute totals in any way shape or form, else he'd have a good case for saying they did it just to cost him money. I'm shure but that may be illeagle two ways, or at least it should be.
Mycroft
I understand your reasoning there, and it makes a certain sense, the part your missing is that any organization that spends $20,000 on a toilet doesn't HAVE much in the way of sense. So expecting them to do something that makes sense is, well, non-sensical.
Mycroft
However I can just see it if they used it for a fighter crafts o.s.
After a fighter goese down durring testing.
Kernel: "What the heck happened up there"
Test Pilot: "well my plane crashed then it hit the ground"
Kernal: "don't you mean it crashed WHEN it hit the ground, and what kinda report is that test pilot."
Test Pilot: "No sir, it crashed first, all my controlls turned blue, the HUD flashed the name of some general named Fault and gave his service number, though not like any service number I've ever seen. Good thing the ejection seat has a manual backup, the automatic one just caused an hourglass symboll on the digital airspeed indicator and it said somthing about a cd. That's when I pulled the manual releas lever and got out."
Mycroft
That's what I don't get, most news stories I ever see on spam eigther talk about the spammer, how spam affects people, legislation about spam, or how to protect yourself against spam. Allways about the problem an how horrible it is.
What I want to see is news stories about who pays for/benifits from spam.
The one time I saw a news story (a local broadcast, it was a 'filler story') that adressed the roots of the problem it turned out many of the 'm0rt4ge at low r.-a.-t.-e.-s' started as real banks hiring some company to ge them leads, said company then does standard research (scan credit reports, look for loans with high rates, send out mailings, ect.) as well as hire a spammer or subcontractor who hires a spammer. Many of these companies didn't even know HOW they were getting the leads to follow up on, they just simply paid for each one, sometimes with a bonus if the lead works out. Many of these companies who were interviewed were 'shocked' that they had unwittingly funded spam. Though one company did have a clause in thier contracts saying they don't pay for spam generated leads.
And out of the brodcast news bits on spam that I've seen it was the only story to look into that aspect of it.
I've not seen that much better online.
Mycroft
That's why the fabricator is cheap(1199.99), but only comes with starter cartridges that aren't even half full. Replacement cartridges are 599.99 each and you need 6 in most fabricators for maxim capability.
Mycroft
Except you only have to win ONCE if you fight it. (hopefully, some small town judges only care if they can put your cash in the town treasury, from whence come thier paycheck)
So which cost more, Get one ticket thrown out through a couple or three court apearances, or pay parking tickets repeatedly.
Of course the cheapest rout is to park in the expected way. But if the law allows for parking in that direction I'd fight it.
Mycroft
More like ONLY with an airfoil designed for the pressure. Someone else in this thread linked to the Xplane site where they tried setting for mars pressure and gravity. One design that actually worked was like a modified u2, HUGE wings, and it still had to go over 500mph or stall. And it needed aircraft carrier type aresters to stop.
Not shure how accurate his simulation is, but Xplane has a fairly high rep for a pc simulator (unluss I'm confusing it with another simulator) so it's not likely off by much.
So yeah, vertical thrust would be needed for a leisurly cruise. Still with an automated system (nice long speed of light delay make realtime remote controll impossible) you just need faster sensors.
Not shure how big an airfoil would have to be to keep a plane aloft at less than 100mph. I imagine somthing with a body size akin to a small go cart might need something the size 747 wings, but made of very light plastics (inflated? lots of room for solar cells though).
Mycroft
Looking down that list I couldn't help but notice one entry*:
Microcide, Inc.
2209 Niagara Drive
Troy , MI 48083-5933
John Lopes ( 248 ) 526 - 9663
04-1-B3.04-8964 JSC
Broad Spectrum Sanitizing Wipes with Food Additives
That's one I'm not shure I want to understand
*emphasis mine
Mycroft
Unfortunately slow doesn't work so well on Mars where the atmospheric pressure is 1% that of the Earth's.
The lower the atmospheric pressure the higher your stall speed.
Mycroft
One thing occures to me, this assumes you do all your data collection while on the ground. I would think there would be some utility to the data collected while flying. You are much closer than an orbital satalite, yet up high enough to observe an area many meters wide and as long as your flight path.
Mycroft
"Which religion forbids "white after Labor Day"? "
It's an odd one, kinda mainstream though with cultish features. It usually recruits middle class on up, or those wishing to apear more affluent. It's called 'fashion' IIRC.
Mycroft
Not all spammers get $$ by people buying somthing from them. Sometimes the site linked to in the email has a referer in it and leads to some site other than the e-mailer's and they get paid based onthat reffer id being assosiated with a particular non-acredited mortage loan for penis enlargement pills.
There are other ways they make money, and some is just random guessing to find valid emails (via various mechanism) for re-sale to other spammers.
I'd swear some of this spam is pure bs to entertain the spammer who could care less about making $$ than simply seeing how many people he piss off with idiot e-mails and chain letters(AOL in conjuction with microsoft and the fda are tracking this e-mail, send it to 183 close friends in the next 27.34 minutes or we kill a kitten and you'll come down with warts!).
Mycroft
I don't know how long they will be able to keep it up. They say that it's not a ddos attack because they throttle back if a targetted server starts to falter, but I'm not so shure that disqualifies it from being a ddos attack. Especially considering that effectively denying the tagets 'service' is what they're trying to do (never mind that spammers shouldn' even have service to begin with in a civil society). I'm not rooting for the spammers by any means, but I do worry about Joe jobs and the like as well as what the courts could do that has uninted side effects, even if it's not the courts where I live.
Mycroft
Though sometimes time shifting is why I tape a program, I'm almost as likely to tape it while watching it because I want to be able to watch it again later. Both are pretty rare as I find most tv to be crap, and only watch two tv shows a week, and on very rare occasion something historical or documentary-ish on pbs.
You might this relevant. It is from the Sony vs Universal case before SCOTUS which also where 'time-shifting' became so bandied about wrt copies of broadcast television and the like.
If it's badly formatted I appologize for the cut and paste artifacts, I've tried to fix them, but may have made mistakes.
Hope this helps. Please take note of the 'original work' part, a poster bellow seems to misread me as to include the dvd/vhs versions released later which often are not verbatim copies of the 'original work'. These often have extras such as longer versions of scenes or 'making of' info and are NOT what I'm primarily talking about.
Personaly I find it objectionable to give something away for free then throw a fit when people get more enjoyment out of it than you intended without paying for the extra enjoyment.
Mycroft
Additionally I only have a dialup connection that get's 28.8 on the good days, so I couldn't d/l tv-shows in sub-geological time if I wanted to.
Mycroft
Notice I how I phrased things? Asking questions, not making statements. I was throwing it out to discuss what if any lines could be drawn.
I SAID NOTHING about the difference between broadcast and dvd/vhs releases of the program. That seems to be your whole point, thus not related to my question without an assumption on your part. Addmittedly I could have clearer in making shure the comparsion was between dowloading a copy of the over the air version and using ones own recording.
I'm pretty much of the opinion that if you are downloading what it would be leagle for you to tape, i.e. the over the air broacast version, then it shouldn't be considered a violation as then you are punishing the mechanism, not the deed so to speak, when the mechanism itself makes no significant change to end result nor creats harm in of itself. But perhaps others can see some harm I cannot (legitimate harm, not harm caused reaction to false perceptions). But this is a soft opinion in that I am still open to discussion, sort of my first take on the issue.
Mycroft
So in other words your advertising is based on 'I double dare you' whereas ours is based on 'it's great I cross my heart hope to die'.
I strongly suspect they're BOTH aimed at the same level of intellegince, but adjusted for cultural differences. Just compare the different advertising stratagies used regionally in the US and you start to see it. I've seen ads by company x in other parts of the US and thought 'I thought x treated us as idiots at home, but here they don't even give them that much credit'. Only to visitors here say 'geeze I thought our adds were stupid, but you get total crap out here'.
Mycroft
But what if I had recorded every epsode that was BRODCAST for FREE over the air?
The difference is only in mechanism, not result. I have a friend who managed to tape every episode of st:tng, now if he were to transfer those to computer and clean all the comercials out watch them off the hard-drive, how is his result any different than someone who downloaded those episodes?
How is one copyright infringement (for him), where the other is leagaly allowed time-shifting which the supreme court upheld as fair use. Or rather how does it make sense to have the distinction.
The tv show's producers made thier money by selling advertising when it was originally broadcast. Unlike movies (well recently they've added blantant comercials, and they've had 'product placement' for some time) which derive thier revenue from theatrical release and sales of individual copies.
Mycroft
Actually he just uses regular alkalines in his, and the light never shuts off, just dims a bit. and the thing rarely gets past 4 weeks, usually it starts dying midway through the third and goes out completely within a day or two at most.
I was under the impression the led was an eyecandy item and an IR led or laser was used for tracking, at least I've seen optical mice without a visible led.
His looks a lot like the intelli-mouse series, but it's part of wireless keyboard and mouse combe that only has one reciever, that odly enough connect to both a usb and a ps2 conector (ps2 for the kb and usb for the mouse iirc).
Mycroft
No mod points today so I'll just have to add a me-to post. (If I had them it'd be insightful, that's one of those 'so obvious everyone missed it and now feels stupid' observations)
Mycroft
Whoops, got it wrong. 512 pressure levels and 4x5. or $5(us) per squre inch on the one I got (the dark blue graphire3.
Mycroft