My uncles, who fought in veit-nam, think what he did when came back was bad. Kerry himself confessed before congress to acts that are very bad, acts that might be war crimes.
As far as the swift boat vets go, well there are quite a few of them saying one thing, while Kerry and four or five vets are saying several other things, some very inconsistant with what records are public.
While the odds of anyone telling the unvarnished truth in the realm of politics are simular to certain kinds of precipitation in hades, I find it hard to take the word of a proven liar and a few cronies over dozens of vets.
Both Bush and Kerry are Yale Skull and Bones rich guys who I seriously distrust.
I would add that many of those troops seem to think he was nearly gutless.
I would also point out Kerry is a self confessed war criminal. And I know a few vets who consider him a traitor for the way he stabbed them in the back when he got home.
Note this isn't pro-bush, just anti-kerry. I refuse to vote for evil, even the lesser thereof.
Any chance of remembering the plane in question. I'm rather curious as this falls exactly in a relatives field of work. At one point he was involved in controll systems layout on military aircraft. Not shure exactly what because even though it was years after the work in question, (which you could by then buy books that showed the cockpits in question) he still wasn't allowed to say much.
For me (A)D&D was Greyhawk when I started playing, though I've gotten quite used to Forgotten Realms as a story setting.
Somehow the pre-generated worlds all wind up hard to actually play in if they've gotten any significant number of stories set in them because you get into situations where someone who doesn't know the background and history simply blows the feel of the setting and the akwardness of that seems to play havok with suspension of dis-belief.
IIRC it was late 1980 when I got started in (A)D&D. I still play to this day, though with a few years off here and there.
I've played a lot of other games: two or three of Palladiums wierd system, gurps, shadowrun, starwars (pre and post d20), some odball one-offs, etc. But I still prefer good old AD&D most of the time.
Because it's not true. Sure on face value we may say we like someone who can admit an honest mistake, but in the long run no-one rembers anything but the mistake. Say sorry to much and people don't see you as honest, or considerate or polite, they see you as a continual fuck-up, even if it's false.
Think hard on what you've seen in the real world, not in places where they're supposedly teaching you how to behave like a primary school, or your parents when growing up) and start comparing the people who always owned up to thier mistakes vs those who 'spun' things to make it look like the mistake was eigther unavoidable or someone elses fault.
Actually the United States constitution has some strong safeguard in it as well. And they revolve around not restricting freedoms, but restricting the government.
Such things as the first ten amendments to the constitution. The first and second especially. Unfortunately they're slowly being erroded as governments typically tend towards increasing power. Germany does have advantage of recent experience to hieghten thier awareness of the dangers of government gone bad.
Well the other main candidate (Kerry) was just gung ho about attacking Iraq, only now he's trying to pretend otherwise. When faced with a bald faced liar who changes opinion and position with the political wind and someone who at least sticks to his guns most people prefer the latter. Except of course those buy into Kerry's b.s. because they hate Bush so blindly.
Personally I think it's a false view eigther way as the assumption is you can't vote for anyone else. I for one don't want eigther the right wing nut or the left wing liar in office so I'm voting for a 3rd party. Probably won't win, but at least I'm doing somthing to improve things rather than just trying to decide which handbasket goes hell slower.
Perhaps someone who's studied this more directly can fill in the gaps, but a solid steel bar is often weaker than a hollow one. Compare a 1" diameter steel rod to a 1" steel tube with 1/4" walls.
Not shure how applicable this is to the steel beams used in skycraper construction.
Well I don't see militia relatedness and individual right as being necessarily mutually exclusive (in fact to some degree I think the founding fathers saw it the opposite), but the simple fact is the founding fathers made it clear again that the second is indeed an individual right.
If the court was to rule otherwise in face of that evidence I think there would be cause to remove them for failure to do thier job. Though I'm unaware of any mechanism to do so being directly specified in the constitution.
Mycroft
p.s. while I appretiate the efforts of some mods to bump my oher 2nd ammendment post up with underrated, the off-topic mod was indeed correct.
That makes no sense in light of the founding fathers aversion to a standing army. Just look at the two year constitutional limit on ANY funding therefore.
They clearly meant anyone based on how they codified militia in federal law at durring the first congress. Pretty much 'militia' was defined as all able bodied male citizens between onset of peuberty and onset of senility.
Thank you for proving you don't know what your talking about.
Not exactly. You might also look at that rulling which wasn't as broad as your statement would imply IIRC. What really happened there is they punted the case back to a lower court on lack of evidence to make any conclusion concerning a sawed off shotgun and it's relationship if any to the millitia.
There is also the slight problem that case doesn't seem to record any evidence by Miller. It was pretty much the justice dept having it's say and miller not and the court tossing it back down for lack of evidence.
The simple truth is the 2nd does, and was clearly meant to, protect the right of US citizens to bear arms. This is an individual citzens right held by each. Just as the rest of the rights in the bill of rights are.
No, going to a website to opt out of an e-mail is not agree-ing to download a trojan or other mallware or otherwise have your computer hijacked.
It's like saying because you entered a shopping mall you assented to having your car hotwired driven at 180 mph by the guys from the food court because you parked in thier parking lot.
You don't telnet into yours? Seriously I used to have to do just about that to un-fubar My fathers e-mail account. Seems the support people at Earthlink 'don't support the telnet e-mail client' when I try to describe how I KNOW the problem is at thier end and not caused by Outlook Express having a wrong setting.
Now if I can just convince my uncle to stop sending attachments of TEXT of all things to everyone he knows from his win3.11 system(he refuses to upgrade because it works and nothing good has come out since the amiga anyway.)
BTW, how can the credit system be secure? the only shure way I can think of requires a centralized server system. Elswise why couldn't someone set up one or two systems with rigged clients that simply claim, or give each other, a much higher rating?
I have tried it, that's why I don't use it. It always used the most bandwith for connections followed by uploads, occasionaly some downloading leaked through. This is with two differend e-mule clients and shareaza. The one client was somewhat better than the other two, I would eventualy get a small trickle incomming with it, and uploading actually got as much bandwith, or slightly more, than the connection overhead.
The only times I ever try anymore is for things I can't find on other p2p systems, which is getting rarer and rarer as multi p2p sytem apps like shareaza become more common.
Personally I just figured it was because emule was eurocentric and I'm in the US, I figured the system was giving higher priority to the closer links, that and that broadband is more available in europe meant that dialup was also being downchecked.
I would like to point out that that definition is nearly identical to the definition the first congress put into law. Showing clearly the thinking of the time that the militia was the people of the united states, not some branch or other wing or agency of the us government, but rather 'we the people'. The banning of arms is outright unconstitutional.
A commone thing I hear is that owning a fully automatic gun/rifle is illeage. As I understand it it's not strictly speaking illeagle, just hard and VERY expensive to get a permit for.
Except that 'well regulated' meant 'well functioning, as in a properly regulated machine' not well regulated as in laden with laws.
This is the single commonest red hearing the anti-gun crowd throws out, eighter not understanding what the founding fathers meant, or hoping the modern common usage will be read into a document using the then common usage.
They meant people should know how to use thier weapons effectively and to be able to work together for the common defence. NOT be restricted by a zillion laws making some guns illeagle because of plastic stocks while leaving them leagle if they have wooden ones or other such stupidity.
While such a system might make sense for a small group or dedicated club, for a large scale p2p app more than just a tiny amount of that sort of elitism/favoritism is not good for useability and could limit the network. How do you get much new stuff on a network if everyone who tries it gets nothing for the first few days and gives up? Now before anyone starts in on how much is on edonky/mule I would like to point out it still gets stuff from people who got stuff from other p2p networks, ftp, or thier own efforts. Plus I suspect these 'features' matured over time and weren't so new-user unfriendly in the beggining. I just think the way edonky works to limit it's own utility tends to chase off potential contributers.
And how does the credit system work? if it's p2p is credit 'shared' somehow by distributing a persons credit rating? kept by the hubs? looks like there is potential to 'fake' a good credit rating there.
Anyway I've found it useless to use the edonky network with shareaza as you sit in line for hours then get a slow trickle from some guy who vanishes without closing the connection so it just sits there taking up a d/l slot untill I notice it. It's rarely failed to use more bandwith in the connection than in the actuall file transfer.
I will try and say this simply and directly. If you don't care about linux ever being a viable mainstream desktop o.s. then a standard for filesytem layout and o.s. components is not that important.
But if you do it's very important.
Without a standard that software developers can rely uppon thier incentive to develope for linux is at best limited to the number of users of the biggest distro (biggest in terms of home users) plus perhaps a few distro's simular enough to need no changes to run on.
Without the ability to run the software joe sixpack wants to run (somthing bought at the local store, with a shiny package usually) the potential market for any distro is limited to techicaly savy and those that can afford to employ them. Given that the geek running a distro in his home is likely clever enough to not need a tech support contract this means they're primary revenue (which for comercial linux vendors is heavily geared towards paid tech support) is corporate shops.
If a group of distro's adopt a standard that improves the ability of third party vendors to creat those apps for joe then the odds that joe will be motivated to use linux, and perhaps buy tech support for some small fee from the distro.
This helps solve the chicken and egg problem of no thrid party apps from major developers because of low market penetration because of lack of major third party apps.
I'm not 'emotionaly invested' in LSB, I just see the clear logical utility for a standard, any reasonable standard, towards the goal of linux going mainstream in the home. This is somthing I would like to see as I'm getting tired of windows crap, but can't ditch it completely without tossing access to most of the software currently available.
Now if you don't care about linux as a viable home os, then this really doesn't matter much to you and is probably a waste for you to worry about. If you do care I hope you can understand the logic. And if you do care but think the LSB is a pile of crap for a standard then come up with better or even just pester the people involved with constructive comments on what needs to be fixed and why.
It's deffinately not zero sum. People turn raw materials and time into products and services, and new people are born all the time, and we haven't run out of resources by a long shot.
I suppose one could argue that EVENTUALLY it will be zero sum, but that should be about time the universe ends, at which point I'll see you at milliways.:)
I wasn't talking about linux working, it clearly does, but about linux on the desktop.
Here's another way of looking at it, why do you have a pci bus in your computer instead of a gatway or dell or hp or whatever bus? I'm shure most of those companies could come up with a working bus architecture for expansion cards, it used to be various big iron had a different expansion systems in place and they worked.
The difference is the home desktop is a very different environment vs the corporate it shop. Just go ahead and ask people hear which linux distro is best for the desktop and then duck as everone and thier brother comes up with a different distro. Now does the same package that installs on one of them install on all of them, or even 1/4ths without significant investment of time and energy on the part of the end users. Almost certainly not.
If I were a creating for profit home software I would not be justify a linux version because my effective market is too small. even if I felt I only needed a tiny slice of the market to justify it. Because talking about linux's market share is currently silly, because linux is in reality many different operating systems each with thier own portion. While mostly this is good, these difference are at too fundemental a level for them to seen as a single target to write apps too by the comercial software vendors.
Having a standard (as long as it's a useable one it doesn't have to be perfect) allows distro's to effectively group thier market shares in the eye's of software creators.
Gak, yeah that is a much better demonstration, too many days to short on sleep getting all the dots connected on selling some property. That was overcomplicated too, but it's done.
This wouldn't be the first time (by more than a few) I overcomplicated things in an explanation and then missed even mentioning an important more direct detail or two. thanks for fixing it. I'm going to bed now.
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My uncles, who fought in veit-nam, think what he did when came back was bad. Kerry himself confessed before congress to acts that are very bad, acts that might be war crimes.
As far as the swift boat vets go, well there are quite a few of them saying one thing, while Kerry and four or five vets are saying several other things, some very inconsistant with what records are public.
While the odds of anyone telling the unvarnished truth in the realm of politics are simular to certain kinds of precipitation in hades, I find it hard to take the word of a proven liar and a few cronies over dozens of vets.
Both Bush and Kerry are Yale Skull and Bones rich guys who I seriously distrust.
Mycroft
I would add that many of those troops seem to think he was nearly gutless.
I would also point out Kerry is a self confessed war criminal. And I know a few vets who consider him a traitor for the way he stabbed them in the back when he got home.
Note this isn't pro-bush, just anti-kerry. I refuse to vote for evil, even the lesser thereof.
Mycroft
Any chance of remembering the plane in question. I'm rather curious as this falls exactly in a relatives field of work. At one point he was involved in controll systems layout on military aircraft. Not shure exactly what because even though it was years after the work in question, (which you could by then buy books that showed the cockpits in question) he still wasn't allowed to say much.
Mycroft
For me (A)D&D was Greyhawk when I started playing, though I've gotten quite used to Forgotten Realms as a story setting.
Somehow the pre-generated worlds all wind up hard to actually play in if they've gotten any significant number of stories set in them because you get into situations where someone who doesn't know the background and history simply blows the feel of the setting and the akwardness of that seems to play havok with suspension of dis-belief.
IIRC it was late 1980 when I got started in (A)D&D. I still play to this day, though with a few years off here and there.
I've played a lot of other games: two or three of Palladiums wierd system, gurps, shadowrun, starwars (pre and post d20), some odball one-offs, etc. But I still prefer good old AD&D most of the time.
Mycroft
Because it's not true. Sure on face value we may say we like someone who can admit an honest mistake, but in the long run no-one rembers anything but the mistake. Say sorry to much and people don't see you as honest, or considerate or polite, they see you as a continual fuck-up, even if it's false.
Think hard on what you've seen in the real world, not in places where they're supposedly teaching you how to behave like a primary school, or your parents when growing up) and start comparing the people who always owned up to thier mistakes vs those who 'spun' things to make it look like the mistake was eigther unavoidable or someone elses fault.
Mycroft.
Actually the United States constitution has some strong safeguard in it as well. And they revolve around not restricting freedoms, but restricting the government.
Such things as the first ten amendments to the constitution. The first and second especially. Unfortunately they're slowly being erroded as governments typically tend towards increasing power. Germany does have advantage of recent experience to hieghten thier awareness of the dangers of government gone bad.
Mycroft
Well the other main candidate (Kerry) was just gung ho about attacking Iraq, only now he's trying to pretend otherwise. When faced with a bald faced liar who changes opinion and position with the political wind and someone who at least sticks to his guns most people prefer the latter. Except of course those buy into Kerry's b.s. because they hate Bush so blindly.
Personally I think it's a false view eigther way as the assumption is you can't vote for anyone else. I for one don't want eigther the right wing nut or the left wing liar in office so I'm voting for a 3rd party. Probably won't win, but at least I'm doing somthing to improve things rather than just trying to decide which handbasket goes hell slower.
Mycroft
Our estimates of the weapons Saddam was supposed to have were based on several things. Unfortunately one of those things were our reciepts.
Mycroft
Perhaps someone who's studied this more directly can fill in the gaps, but a solid steel bar is often weaker than a hollow one. Compare a 1" diameter steel rod to a 1" steel tube with 1/4" walls.
Not shure how applicable this is to the steel beams used in skycraper construction.
Mycroft
Minor correction, it's "damn dirty apes" or "damn filthy apes" can't remember wich, but someone one will, and 5 of them will reply with it. :)
Mycroft
Well I don't see militia relatedness and individual right as being necessarily mutually exclusive (in fact to some degree I think the founding fathers saw it the opposite), but the simple fact is the founding fathers made it clear again that the second is indeed an individual right.
If the court was to rule otherwise in face of that evidence I think there would be cause to remove them for failure to do thier job. Though I'm unaware of any mechanism to do so being directly specified in the constitution.
Mycroft
p.s. while I appretiate the efforts of some mods to bump my oher 2nd ammendment post up with underrated, the off-topic mod was indeed correct.
Ahh that makes some sense. I assume there is some way to deal with dynamic i.p.'s? And re-installs of software?
Mycroft
That makes no sense in light of the founding fathers aversion to a standing army. Just look at the two year constitutional limit on ANY funding therefore.
They clearly meant anyone based on how they codified militia in federal law at durring the first congress. Pretty much 'militia' was defined as all able bodied male citizens between onset of peuberty and onset of senility.
Thank you for proving you don't know what your talking about.
Mycroft
Not exactly. You might also look at that rulling which wasn't as broad as your statement would imply IIRC. What really happened there is they punted the case back to a lower court on lack of evidence to make any conclusion concerning a sawed off shotgun and it's relationship if any to the millitia.
There is also the slight problem that case doesn't seem to record any evidence by Miller. It was pretty much the justice dept having it's say and miller not and the court tossing it back down for lack of evidence.
The simple truth is the 2nd does, and was clearly meant to, protect the right of US citizens to bear arms. This is an individual citzens right held by each. Just as the rest of the rights in the bill of rights are.
Mycroft
No, going to a website to opt out of an e-mail is not agree-ing to download a trojan or other mallware or otherwise have your computer hijacked.
It's like saying because you entered a shopping mall you assented to having your car hotwired driven at 180 mph by the guys from the food court because you parked in thier parking lot.
Mycroft
You don't telnet into yours? Seriously I used to have to do just about that to un-fubar My fathers e-mail account. Seems the support people at Earthlink 'don't support the telnet e-mail client' when I try to describe how I KNOW the problem is at thier end and not caused by Outlook Express having a wrong setting.
Now if I can just convince my uncle to stop sending attachments of TEXT of all things to everyone he knows from his win3.11 system(he refuses to upgrade because it works and nothing good has come out since the amiga anyway.)
Mycroft
BTW, how can the credit system be secure? the only shure way I can think of requires a centralized server system. Elswise why couldn't someone set up one or two systems with rigged clients that simply claim, or give each other, a much higher rating?
Mycroft
I have tried it, that's why I don't use it. It always used the most bandwith for connections followed by uploads, occasionaly some downloading leaked through. This is with two differend e-mule clients and shareaza. The one client was somewhat better than the other two, I would eventualy get a small trickle incomming with it, and uploading actually got as much bandwith, or slightly more, than the connection overhead.
The only times I ever try anymore is for things I can't find on other p2p systems, which is getting rarer and rarer as multi p2p sytem apps like shareaza become more common.
Personally I just figured it was because emule was eurocentric and I'm in the US, I figured the system was giving higher priority to the closer links, that and that broadband is more available in europe meant that dialup was also being downchecked.
Mycroft
I would like to point out that that definition is nearly identical to the definition the first congress put into law. Showing clearly the thinking of the time that the militia was the people of the united states, not some branch or other wing or agency of the us government, but rather 'we the people'. The banning of arms is outright unconstitutional.
A commone thing I hear is that owning a fully automatic gun/rifle is illeage. As I understand it it's not strictly speaking illeagle, just hard and VERY expensive to get a permit for.
Mycroft
Except that 'well regulated' meant 'well functioning, as in a properly regulated machine' not well regulated as in laden with laws.
This is the single commonest red hearing the anti-gun crowd throws out, eighter not understanding what the founding fathers meant, or hoping the modern common usage will be read into a document using the then common usage.
They meant people should know how to use thier weapons effectively and to be able to work together for the common defence. NOT be restricted by a zillion laws making some guns illeagle because of plastic stocks while leaving them leagle if they have wooden ones or other such stupidity.
Mycroft
While such a system might make sense for a small group or dedicated club, for a large scale p2p app more than just a tiny amount of that sort of elitism/favoritism is not good for useability and could limit the network. How do you get much new stuff on a network if everyone who tries it gets nothing for the first few days and gives up? Now before anyone starts in on how much is on edonky/mule I would like to point out it still gets stuff from people who got stuff from other p2p networks, ftp, or thier own efforts. Plus I suspect these 'features' matured over time and weren't so new-user unfriendly in the beggining. I just think the way edonky works to limit it's own utility tends to chase off potential contributers.
And how does the credit system work? if it's p2p is credit 'shared' somehow by distributing a persons credit rating? kept by the hubs? looks like there is potential to 'fake' a good credit rating there.
Anyway I've found it useless to use the edonky network with shareaza as you sit in line for hours then get a slow trickle from some guy who vanishes without closing the connection so it just sits there taking up a d/l slot untill I notice it. It's rarely failed to use more bandwith in the connection than in the actuall file transfer.
Mycroft
I will try and say this simply and directly.
If you don't care about linux ever being a viable mainstream desktop o.s. then a standard for filesytem layout and o.s. components is not that important.
But if you do it's very important.
Without a standard that software developers can rely uppon thier incentive to develope for linux is at best limited to the number of users of the biggest distro (biggest in terms of home users) plus perhaps a few distro's simular enough to need no changes to run on.
Without the ability to run the software joe sixpack wants to run (somthing bought at the local store, with a shiny package usually) the potential market for any distro is limited to techicaly savy and those that can afford to employ them. Given that the geek running a distro in his home is likely clever enough to not need a tech support contract this means they're primary revenue (which for comercial linux vendors is heavily geared towards paid tech support) is corporate shops.
If a group of distro's adopt a standard that improves the ability of third party vendors to creat those apps for joe then the odds that joe will be motivated to use linux, and perhaps buy tech support for some small fee from the distro.
This helps solve the chicken and egg problem of no thrid party apps from major developers because of low market penetration because of lack of major third party apps.
I'm not 'emotionaly invested' in LSB, I just see the clear logical utility for a standard, any reasonable standard, towards the goal of linux going mainstream in the home. This is somthing I would like to see as I'm getting tired of windows crap, but can't ditch it completely without tossing access to most of the software currently available.
Now if you don't care about linux as a viable home os, then this really doesn't matter much to you and is probably a waste for you to worry about. If you do care I hope you can understand the logic. And if you do care but think the LSB is a pile of crap for a standard then come up with better or even just pester the people involved with constructive comments on what needs to be fixed and why.
Mycroft
It's deffinately not zero sum. People turn raw materials and time into products and services, and new people are born all the time, and we haven't run out of resources by a long shot. :)
I suppose one could argue that EVENTUALLY it will be zero sum, but that should be about time the universe ends, at which point I'll see you at milliways.
Mycroft
I wasn't talking about linux working, it clearly does, but about linux on the desktop.
Here's another way of looking at it, why do you have a pci bus in your computer instead of a gatway or dell or hp or whatever bus? I'm shure most of those companies could come up with a working bus architecture for expansion cards, it used to be various big iron had a different expansion systems in place and they worked.
The difference is the home desktop is a very different environment vs the corporate it shop. Just go ahead and ask people hear which linux distro is best for the desktop and then duck as everone and thier brother comes up with a different distro. Now does the same package that installs on one of them install on all of them, or even 1/4ths without significant investment of time and energy on the part of the end users. Almost certainly not.
If I were a creating for profit home software I would not be justify a linux version because my effective market is too small. even if I felt I only needed a tiny slice of the market to justify it. Because talking about linux's market share is currently silly, because linux is in reality many different operating systems each with thier own portion. While mostly this is good, these difference are at too fundemental a level for them to seen as a single target to write apps too by the comercial software vendors.
Having a standard (as long as it's a useable one it doesn't have to be perfect) allows distro's to effectively group thier market shares in the eye's of software creators.
Mycroft
Gak, yeah that is a much better demonstration, too many days to short on sleep getting all the dots connected on selling some property. That was overcomplicated too, but it's done.
This wouldn't be the first time (by more than a few) I overcomplicated things in an explanation and then missed even mentioning an important more direct detail or two. thanks for fixing it. I'm going to bed now.
Mycroft