What? He's already used up all the words in the English language, he's had to resort to Finnish to fill the gaps already: http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132
What does "received $1.5 billion in benefits" *mean*?
It doesn't sound like profit to me, as there's a better word for that, namely "profit". And that's the thing I think RoI should be calculated from (as do economists, it's rare that I agree with them on anything).
> Less than a day's worth of military funding, I'm sure.
Very good point. One should always seek to optimise the largest wastes, and the military is an enormous sink-hole. Except if you're one of the lucky industrial parts of the military industrial complex, that is, in which case, it's Christmas every day!
However, that doesn't mean one should throw money willy0nilly at any fancy-pants futuristic scheme that follows the current fashion, as...
> And this is not an expenditure, it's an investment.
Only if it pays off. What are your estimates as to the probability this will be both workable, and cost-effective?
> Now add cooling, power, generators, physical security, a SAN, a virtualization platform, and multiple failover sites.
6 of those things we've been doing all along anyway (OK, we non zed-heads have only been virtualising for half a decade). The remaining one AWS doesn't do for you unless you pay significantly more than the simple hosting service.
Quoth Forbes: Cost savings… [...] These are the advertised benefits of cloud computing
Quoth Salesforce: 4. Cap-Ex Free [...] no need for capital expenditure [...] minimal project start-up costs
Quoth Verio: Achieve economies of scale [...] Reduce spending on technology infrastructure. [...] Globalize your workforce on the cheap [...] Reduce capital costs.
And those were the first 3 hits for ``benefits of cloud computing'' (although the first one is meta, it refers to others refering to cost savings).
I hate to shake you from your firmly entrenched world-view, but you have to know that people are touting cloud solutions as ones which have cost benefits. Whether they're valid claims or not is irrelevant, they are undeniably being made.
> Uptime guarantees without penalties when failed to meet them are worthless.
I thought AWS did have penalties, of the partial-refund variety. Which ain't exactly great. However, I think the uptime they guarantee is barely 2-nines. They can be down a whole working day per month, IIRC. Which is pathetic, and certainly not worth paying for.
The moon's too lossy, and keeps having its time of the month where it's completely useless. For getting solar power beamed down from space, I'd propose using... the sun!
I'm curious - how much taxpayer funding has this received? Is this just another one of the "ride the replace-fossil-fuel-usage bandwagon" schemes?
They only speak one language that's a hybrid of the two. It sounds like French, but it comes over as douchebag. Strangely, the French have this same hybrid as well.
Just tested: pm-suspend took a verbal count of "and one, and " before the final LED was off. Pressing the power button to wake it up took a verbal count of "and one and t.." before I had the root prompt back, but it had remembered the carriage return that I had pressed a fraction of a second earlier. So let's call that about 1.5s in both directions.
At its highest frequency, it's this (but is currently ticking over at 800MHz, no idea how stressed it was during those few seconds): model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
I suggest you profile your system whilst suspend and resume are taking place. Your times are unnaturally high. dmesg will contain a fair bit of info, such as: [18792.336078] PM: suspend of devices complete after 627.338 msecs [18792.336340] PM: late suspend of devices complete after 0.254 msecs and [19427.808460] PM: resume of devices complete after 1499.933 msecs [19427.942491] Restarting tasks... done. etc.
You have to remember that MS Windows violates the USB standard even though it was one of the authors of the standard, and because of this influence they have been able to pollute the conformance tests in order to work around their errors. Therefore the whole issue of compatibility is a very muddy one. Are you conformant to the standard, or to the test?
The standard mandate (a "must") that the host wait a minimum of 10ms. The linux kernel waits a minimum of 10ms. It is doing everything that is required of it by the standard. Therefore it is standards conforming. If shitty hardware isn't going to be ready for 17ms, then it is solely at fault. There is no ambiguity in the standard on this point.
Do we think that Sarah will receive some trademarked swearing because of this? http://news.techeye.net/chips/linus-torvalds-and-intel-woman-in-sweary-spat http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/2316219/kernel-dev-tells-linus-torvalds-to-stop-using-abusive-language
I'm beginning to wonder if Sharp is a MS or Apple plant, sent into linux kernel work to sow seeds of antagonism and self-destruction.
You're not one of those heretics that thinks that ethernet was a bus technology that was both serial and universal, at the time that the so-called "USB" was invented, are you?
And Alan Cox resigned as maintainer of the TTY subsystem because of this attitude. (Userspace was clearly broken, and a kernel change made this clear, however, in Linus' eyes, that was "breaking userspace") Just because Linus holds that opinion doesn't mean that it's universally shared to the same extent (everyone agrees to some extent, but not to absolutes).
Strange. I'll admit that Linux has some drivers that are full of bugs, but the ones that are most full of bugs seem to be ones thrown over the wall by large hardware vendors. You know the ones - the drivers with 20000-line C files, that create 2000 checkpatch warnings. Those drivers were written by salaried employees, not sitting in their basement.
> To be honest, as far as PR for the War on Fascism, this is great news. The more social norms that must be smashed to hammer home the deep, deep opposition we have to the cover-up of war crimes done in our names, the better.
I wish you were right, but I fear the exact opposite. I suspect it'll be turned into "these queers can't be trusted". The coda to "God hates fags" will be "because fags hate the USA".
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What? He's already used up all the words in the English language, he's had to resort to Finnish to fill the gaps already: http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132
Erm...
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/1530233/linux-311-officially-named-linux-for-workgroups
See with your own eyes:
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Makefile
What does "received $1.5 billion in benefits" *mean*?
It doesn't sound like profit to me, as there's a better word for that, namely "profit". And that's the thing I think RoI should be calculated from (as do economists, it's rare that I agree with them on anything).
> Less than a day's worth of military funding, I'm sure.
...
Very good point. One should always seek to optimise the largest wastes, and the military is an enormous sink-hole. Except if you're one of the lucky industrial parts of the military industrial complex, that is, in which case, it's Christmas every day!
However, that doesn't mean one should throw money willy0nilly at any fancy-pants futuristic scheme that follows the current fashion, as
> And this is not an expenditure, it's an investment.
Only if it pays off. What are your estimates as to the probability this will be both workable, and cost-effective?
> Now add cooling, power, generators, physical security, a SAN, a virtualization platform, and multiple failover sites.
6 of those things we've been doing all along anyway (OK, we non zed-heads have only been virtualising for half a decade). The remaining one AWS doesn't do for you unless you pay significantly more than the simple hosting service.
> Amazon provides availability zones
Not always. Sometimes they provide *unavailability* zones. That's the problem. And that's what makes people think they're deceptively named.
> It is *not* generally considered a cheap
Quoth Forbes:
Cost savings… [...] These are the advertised benefits of cloud computing
Quoth Salesforce:
4. Cap-Ex Free [...] no need for capital expenditure [...] minimal project start-up costs
Quoth Verio:
Achieve economies of scale [...] Reduce spending on technology infrastructure. [...] Globalize your workforce on the cheap [...] Reduce capital costs.
And those were the first 3 hits for ``benefits of cloud computing'' (although the first one is meta, it refers to others refering to cost savings).
I hate to shake you from your firmly entrenched world-view, but you have to know that people are touting cloud solutions as ones which have cost benefits. Whether they're valid claims or not is irrelevant, they are undeniably being made.
But that's the problem - it doesn't serve them, right?
> Uptime guarantees without penalties when failed to meet them are worthless.
I thought AWS did have penalties, of the partial-refund variety. Which ain't exactly great. However, I think the uptime they guarantee is barely 2-nines. They can be down a whole working day per month, IIRC. Which is pathetic, and certainly not worth paying for.
> Re-open it (Ctrl+Shift+Tab).... Aha!
If my firefox (running on linux), this just takes me to the previous tab. Ctrl+tab takes me to the next tab, adding shift just reverses the direction.
> KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS ARE NOT NEWS.
They might be to non-nerds.
That of course leads to a single conclusion - perhaps I don't belong here any more.
How did this nonsense get through the hosepipe, or whatever they call it?
> states could decide that people with dark skin couldn't sit at the same table as people with light skin
...
Are these dark-skinned fellows enfranchised now? Were they enfranchised at the time to which you are referring?
> Let's let women in shithole red states be subject to
Are these women enfranchised now? Were they enfranchised at the time to which you are referring?
The moon's too lossy, and keeps having its time of the month where it's completely useless. For getting solar power beamed down from space, I'd propose using ... the sun!
I'm curious - how much taxpayer funding has this received? Is this just another one of the "ride the replace-fossil-fuel-usage bandwagon" schemes?
They only speak one language that's a hybrid of the two. It sounds like French, but it comes over as douchebag. Strangely, the French have this same hybrid as well.
So the ratpoison fanbois are out in force today, eh? [ http://ratpoison.nongnu.org/ ]
Just tested: pm-suspend took a verbal count of "and one, and " before the final LED was off.
... done.
Pressing the power button to wake it up took a verbal count of "and one and t.." before I had the root prompt back, but it had remembered the carriage return that I had pressed a fraction of a second earlier. So let's call that about 1.5s in both directions.
At its highest frequency, it's this (but is currently ticking over at 800MHz, no idea how stressed it was during those few seconds):
model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
I suggest you profile your system whilst suspend and resume are taking place. Your times are unnaturally high. dmesg will contain a fair bit of info, such as:
[18792.336078] PM: suspend of devices complete after 627.338 msecs
[18792.336340] PM: late suspend of devices complete after 0.254 msecs
and
[19427.808460] PM: resume of devices complete after 1499.933 msecs
[19427.942491] Restarting tasks
etc.
You have to remember that MS Windows violates the USB standard even though it was one of the authors of the standard, and because of this influence they have been able to pollute the conformance tests in order to work around their errors. Therefore the whole issue of compatibility is a very muddy one. Are you conformant to the standard, or to the test?
You are just plain wrong.
The standard mandate (a "must") that the host wait a minimum of 10ms. The linux kernel waits a minimum of 10ms. It is doing everything that is required of it by the standard. Therefore it is standards conforming. If shitty hardware isn't going to be ready for 17ms, then it is solely at fault. There is no ambiguity in the standard on this point.
Agreed.
Do we think that Sarah will receive some trademarked swearing because of this?
http://news.techeye.net/chips/linus-torvalds-and-intel-woman-in-sweary-spat
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/2316219/kernel-dev-tells-linus-torvalds-to-stop-using-abusive-language
I'm beginning to wonder if Sharp is a MS or Apple plant, sent into linux kernel work to sow seeds of antagonism and self-destruction.
You're not one of those heretics that thinks that ethernet was a bus technology that was both serial and universal, at the time that the so-called "USB" was invented, are you?
^^^ Someone who understands the issue.
More than Sarah Sharp does, by the sound of it.
And Alan Cox resigned as maintainer of the TTY subsystem because of this attitude. (Userspace was clearly broken, and a kernel change made this clear, however, in Linus' eyes, that was "breaking userspace") Just because Linus holds that opinion doesn't mean that it's universally shared to the same extent (everyone agrees to some extent, but not to absolutes).
Strange. I'll admit that Linux has some drivers that are full of bugs, but the ones that are most full of bugs seem to be ones thrown over the wall by large hardware vendors. You know the ones - the drivers with 20000-line C files, that create 2000 checkpatch warnings. Those drivers were written by salaried employees, not sitting in their basement.
> To be honest, as far as PR for the War on Fascism, this is great news. The more social norms that must be smashed to hammer home the deep, deep opposition we have to the cover-up of war crimes done in our names, the better.
I wish you were right, but I fear the exact opposite. I suspect it'll be turned into "these queers can't be trusted". The coda to "God hates fags" will be "because fags hate the USA".
> So, you're saying that having transgender feelings is generally due to torture and insanity?
No, he said:
Probably(A => B)
You're claiming he's said:
B => (Probably A)
Compare:
Probably, if it's peanut butter, it came in a jar
with:
If it came in a jar, it's probably peanut butter
I've got some honey, jam, and case screws that would take issue with your logic.