If you think that my usage of an internet slang word (which is sometimes used by immature yet highly skilled young people when playing video games and using the internet) to simultaneously call you out on your contradictory pontificating and make a backhanded acknowledgment that although you were wrong in your parent post, the whole exercise of generations arguing is kinda pointless.
Yeah, that's what my post was about. Either you didn't get it or didn't think it was funny or insightful.
Also, the world "post-modernism" is only properly used when speaking of architecture. Anywhere else and it's a meaningless word.
Did your C.O. get approval from the department of the Navy to allow you to make that comment?
also, I can't believe that Marines these days watch the first 20 minutes of Full Metal Jacket and think that what is depicted is something that should be imitated.
the maxim magazine-ification of our armed forces will hopefully come to an end soon
"True AI" has thus far been like the horizon: you can cover a lot of ground, but it doesn't get any closer.
I like that analogy. The definition has changed so much that the idea has lost most of its meaning.
In my mind, a machine will one day be able to do virtually anything a human does, but from what we know about human development, at best it is mimicry, and tied to the perceptions of the human that programs it. I think our ideas of what defines human intelligence are inexorably tied to the experience of being a human. In this sense, a machine would actually have to become human to have human intelligence. This makes "true AI" impossible.
Just because "true AI" is impossible, does not mean that trying to make progressively more capable "intelligent" machines is a waste of time. Far from it.
Example: a person grows up watching Star Trek TNG and dreams of being like Dr. Noonien Soong. (such a person might vehemently disagree with my "true AI is impossible" comment above...heh...). This person probably would never actually make anything like Data but a full-on attempt at such a project would yield so many practical advancements.
Now, my mother (50+ computer luddite) uses GMail as well, and gets the problem "You know, it doesn't come up, and I have to go back and click it again, but usually I have to type in 'gmail' to make it work." So, I have seen the problem.
There at the end..."So, I have seen the problem." You described a virtually computer illiterate person who doesn't know how to enter a web address into an address bar, and in say that I have the same problem she has.
That was you being an asshole.
Just because you followed it up with some half-assed advice that had nothing to do with what I asked in my post doesn't make your post any less troll/flamebait know-it-all douchebaggery.
Please, have a little perspective. Do not blow this situation out of proportion. The two kids who did Columbine were "creeps"...this kid was impetuous, smart, and immature.
As others have said, he should be punished. Community service, a period of time w/o a computer, but whatever they do, don't put him in prison. And make sure he can clear his record in 3 or 5 years. Sounds like the perfect candidate for a 'first time offender program'
i thought i'd reply to you, since you were the biggest asshole with your response.
since you use gmail so much, you should know that it's most recent versions have a 'standard' view that displays your chat and all kinds of widgets, and the "html" view.
when i would log in, i would get the status bar "loading gmail"...it would stop about 75% of the way through, then after awhile an error message would occur saying something to the effect of "there was an error loading gmail...load the 'html' basic view, or go to the 'help' page"
at the help page, it tells you basically it is either alot of web traffic or your cookies and cache that are causing gmail not to load in 'standard' mode. its solution is to use the 'html' version or "go to tools>options>clear private data>" including cache and cookies...i tried just manually deleting my cache and only google's cookies but it didn't work
yes, many, many people have this problem but the only fix offered is 'clear private data' fix offered up by gmail's help page.
So, you still want to be an asshole? is that enough fscking information for you, you fscking know-it-all douchebag? fsck! I didn't even ask for "help" in my original post, i just asked if Opera loaded Gmail better...
For someone who likes to come off like you know so much more than me about the internet, you should at least be aware that gmail had these loading problems on FF 2+...I hate how people like you power trip
I've never had the chance to use opera, but I'd consider switching if I knew it would load Gmail properly. ARgh! Firefox 3 STILL requires you to occasionally delete all cookies, cache, forms, etc. for gmail to load proper.
And don't tell me "all you have to do is select 'clear private data' and it loads fine." Sure that works for 2 or 3 days max, then you gmail starts screwing up again. "Just clear your private data" is a temporary fix AT BEST. It's really annoying to have to wait while all my sites re-download cookies, and having re-enter my passwords for the myriad log-in sites I uses.
Neuroscientist Mihai Moldovan of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark said the reason was most likely that the color red may act as a psychological distractor for men, possibly because men flush and turn red when they're angry.
Anyone who has ever had a girlfriend KNOWS that women flush and turn red! And NOT just when they are angry!...neuro"scientist"...
well, thanks for the link...obviously you know more about this tech than I do...you're right, the article was pretty lame on tech details
after looking over that.pdf, I can see why this IS considered a significant advancement
I guess you could say that my criticism about the marketability of this doesn't really apply b/c it's more like research (european at that) than a VC funded startup.
the diagram that shows the different projectors and mirrors got me to thinking about how this could very well result in something like a real 3D holograhic projection, on the order of, say R2D2's little 3-d projector only much bigger and with more mirrors
I've looked at your comment history, and I know you're a neo-con troll (or maybe a RNC staffer trying to sway opinion), but there's a chance you are actually looking for some honest discussion, so...
you said:
this guys rant is incoherent....he bases his argument on... wat?
Now, my post is a basic logic progression. Basic logic, with a few axioms. If you want me to have dialog with you about the contentions in my post, then do the following:
1. Re-read my post and understand my contentions (hint: first 3 lines)
If you do the following, and use blockquotes to show my statements (this assures the reader that you are not 'putting words in my mouth' as they say), then we can have an actual dialog.
Here, in the spirit of fair play, I'll give you an example of what you could do:
Bush must be accountable for his decisions, whether or not they were his ideas or not...he's the 'decider' as he was fond of saying
you are incorrect. Bush, as president, is not responsible for the policies he makes because [cite evidence or logical reasoning here].
Bush doesn't have to be an evil genius to be guilty of mass murder. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The buck stops with him, and it's HIS fault if he was to ignorant to think analytically about the bullsh*t that Cheney, Rove, and Rummy were spooning him.
Bush must be accountable for his decisions, whether or not they were his ideas or not...he's the 'decider' as he was fond of saying.
That said, I think he should be impeached, booted out of office in disgrace (along with Cheney), tried for many crimes, but I would stop short of saying he should be put in court for mass murder.
I've never seen any 3D stuff like this before and I think it's the true achievement here.
In light of this statement:
Gesture recognition is hardly amazing
And this one:
Recognising movement and collision detection is regarded as quite trivial these days.
You seem confused. Do you like this product? Is it revolutionary? If not, then you have been flaming me for nothing. Pick a side...
I'm not an expert on "3D" viewscreens, but some/. posters are, and most of what I've seen on here say that this is not a noteworthy advance in "3D" display.
I still say this product means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of display advancement. It doesn't really get us any closer to a true 3D display (there is plenty of people trying to do research on that), it's just a really, really expensive plasma screen that has a small bit of 'wow' factor for a small number of people. The gains for video screen display are approaching a zero sum game...thousands of dollars more in price for very little added value in the product.
this isn't about screen display vs. headset vr...at all (keep your red herrings to yourself)...this IS about using hand motions to manipulate the image
from TFA:
The 3-D image is maintained as they move about - both in contrast with early attempts at holographic displays. But the real star of the Coherent project is not simply the display...Better yet, gesture recognition means that observers can manipulate the models by waving their hands in front of the screen. The function offers enormous scope for collaboration across the globe.
obviously, TFA disagrees with you. as others have posted, the multiple view '3D' on a screen is not new...and (according to TFA...see above), the main thing they are boasting about is the ability to "manipulate models by waving their hands"...which was only demo'd for a short time and was hilarious b/c the demonstrator was clearly not manipulating the Rubix cube, but following it's movements.
yeah this company is way behind the curve...the fact that you can get the same (better?) functionality from a modded child's toy says alot.
Sometimes I wonder what in the hell the venture capitalists who fund these things are thinking. Really. How many millions went into what we read about in TFA? Considering how many things like this I've seen, to me, it explains a small aspect about why the US economy is having trouble.
well said, probably in fewer words than I would have said it
the idea that internet communication is somehow inherently *different* from other types of communication has caused a lot of grief, mistakes, overprosecution, and ignorant legislation.
yeah, i hear ya...i mean, no one has replied with any help for me...heh
another thing i noticed, if i restart my computer when gmail starts acting up, the problem goes away for an indeterminable ammount of time
deleting ALL cookies works, but i tried just deleting google and gmail cookies and it changed nothing..so yeah...there's that
as far as/. goes, you can usually get good discussion going here, and help, but you have to fight through alot of bullshit. in your posts, don't say anything bad about a non-Microsoft product in strong terms...you have to beat around the bush, because at least 10 people reading it love it...unless it's microsoft. and try to make it clear that you have tried all the 'obvious' fixes and shortly describe why they didn't work (this was my problem in my post, should have mentioned right away that I deleted google and gmail cookies).
if you're going to say something controversial, people will listen (some at least) but you have to be skillfull about it. if you have good logical reasons for hating Gentoo or whatever and you want to talk about it, say so, but make sure you don't do anything that could be perceived as flame or trolling. Note: no matter how careful you are, trolls and flamers will say shit. Actually, no matter what you say, if it gets modded up, someone will flame or troll you. it's a near certainty, and usually they won't get modded down unless it is a very lively thread.
I've only had 3 or 4 mods that i disagreed with, otherwise, the moderators have been pretty fair to me. I love/. why don't you go ahead and make a profile and try it out?
I use ff2 and i have the same issues with gmail loading in its 'standard' view...the ff help page says "delete your cookies" which works but it slows my browsing down alot after I do it b/c each page has to upload their cookies to me...(esp. b/c i have to go to the NYTimes registration generator all over again every time i delete my cookies)...
is there anything that can be done? i'm not switching browsers...
ff3 looks good, but I hope that some of those 'awesome bar' widgets can be turned off individually...don't want all that taking up my cycles...
this statement is one of the dorkiest things I've read on/. recently:
can you write a battle tanks game in assembly and then hand-assemble it (without an assembler) and have it run, bug-free? I did.
Awesome! All those 20 year old kids probably have to keep coming to you with questions b/c you force them to use outdated software/processes.
Sure there are many 50+ people who are pillars of computer knowledge, but they are in the strict minority in their age group. It's true. Why does that fact bother you?
I'm 29, and of course people assume I'm kinda lazy b/c that's the stereotype of people my age. I'm not lazy, but I can understand the stereotype. Sometimes I have to go out of my way to counter that stereotype, but after a short time, older people who assume I'm a lazy pothead see that I'm not and everything is fine.
Ok, so you linked to McCain's tax returns, that proves nothing of substance...the general point from the parent was that McCain is at the beck and call of the big service providers.
Whether it's hard money or soft money contributions, McCain record of service and public statements indicate he will do whatever the companies want.
In the general election, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for John McCain. There's no other legitimate way to see it.
Ron Paul is a libertarian in the parlance of our times. McCain and the Republican party are basically the exact opposite of libertarian values. Their policies are borderline fascist.
If you are a libertarian, you are in a bad way in this election, so you have to be very realistic. Obama is way more libertarian on many issues than McCain. Sure, Obama is a standard liberal on many other issues, but at least with Obama you get something. McCain's POLICIES (not his rhetoric) are diametrically opposed to a true libertarian agenda.
Vote for Obama now. Let the Republican party die and be purged of Neo-cons...in 4 or 8 years, republicans can re-invent themselves as hardcore libertarians across the board to set up a new counter balance to liberals like Obama. Then, and only then, would it make sense for a libertarian to vote for a Republican.
yeah, i'm not a perfectionist...I still listen to some of the 'same' mp3 files (copied several times between laptops...but in essence the same) that I downloaded using gnutella clients 7 years ago...my whole radiohead, modest mouse, and pearl jam collections were from.torrents and those play very well...hell, i've got 311 and sublime mp3's from college that are 10 years old that i got from the original napster...ah the good ole days...
even now i prefer to have an actual cd from the artist as backup. i've seen some stories on/. about music cd decay, but even so, i like to support the artists I like.
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If you think that my usage of an internet slang word (which is sometimes used by immature yet highly skilled young people when playing video games and using the internet) to simultaneously call you out on your contradictory pontificating and make a backhanded acknowledgment that although you were wrong in your parent post, the whole exercise of generations arguing is kinda pointless.
Yeah, that's what my post was about. Either you didn't get it or didn't think it was funny or insightful.
Also, the world "post-modernism" is only properly used when speaking of architecture. Anywhere else and it's a meaningless word.
way to backpedal on your whole parent post in one "post-modern" solipsistic sentence...
face it, you got pwned
My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment
Sir!
Did your C.O. get approval from the department of the Navy to allow you to make that comment?
also, I can't believe that Marines these days watch the first 20 minutes of Full Metal Jacket and think that what is depicted is something that should be imitated.
the maxim magazine-ification of our armed forces will hopefully come to an end soon
I like that analogy. The definition has changed so much that the idea has lost most of its meaning.
In my mind, a machine will one day be able to do virtually anything a human does, but from what we know about human development, at best it is mimicry, and tied to the perceptions of the human that programs it. I think our ideas of what defines human intelligence are inexorably tied to the experience of being a human. In this sense, a machine would actually have to become human to have human intelligence. This makes "true AI" impossible.
Just because "true AI" is impossible, does not mean that trying to make progressively more capable "intelligent" machines is a waste of time. Far from it.
Example: a person grows up watching Star Trek TNG and dreams of being like Dr. Noonien Soong. (such a person might vehemently disagree with my "true AI is impossible" comment above...heh...). This person probably would never actually make anything like Data but a full-on attempt at such a project would yield so many practical advancements.
in your response, you said
There at the end..."So, I have seen the problem." You described a virtually computer illiterate person who doesn't know how to enter a web address into an address bar, and in say that I have the same problem she has.
That was you being an asshole.
Just because you followed it up with some half-assed advice that had nothing to do with what I asked in my post doesn't make your post any less troll/flamebait know-it-all douchebaggery.
Here is what legit, non-douchebag responses to my post looks like
Please, have a little perspective. Do not blow this situation out of proportion. The two kids who did Columbine were "creeps"...this kid was impetuous, smart, and immature.
As others have said, he should be punished. Community service, a period of time w/o a computer, but whatever they do, don't put him in prison. And make sure he can clear his record in 3 or 5 years. Sounds like the perfect candidate for a 'first time offender program'
i thought i'd reply to you, since you were the biggest asshole with your response.
since you use gmail so much, you should know that it's most recent versions have a 'standard' view that displays your chat and all kinds of widgets, and the "html" view.
when i would log in, i would get the status bar "loading gmail"...it would stop about 75% of the way through, then after awhile an error message would occur saying something to the effect of "there was an error loading gmail...load the 'html' basic view, or go to the 'help' page"
at the help page, it tells you basically it is either alot of web traffic or your cookies and cache that are causing gmail not to load in 'standard' mode. its solution is to use the 'html' version or "go to tools>options>clear private data>" including cache and cookies...i tried just manually deleting my cache and only google's cookies but it didn't work
yes, many, many people have this problem but the only fix offered is 'clear private data' fix offered up by gmail's help page.
So, you still want to be an asshole? is that enough fscking information for you, you fscking know-it-all douchebag? fsck! I didn't even ask for "help" in my original post, i just asked if Opera loaded Gmail better...
For someone who likes to come off like you know so much more than me about the internet, you should at least be aware that gmail had these loading problems on FF 2+...I hate how people like you power trip
Thanks, that actually sounds like something real information
I've never had the chance to use opera, but I'd consider switching if I knew it would load Gmail properly. ARgh! Firefox 3 STILL requires you to occasionally delete all cookies, cache, forms, etc. for gmail to load proper.
And don't tell me "all you have to do is select 'clear private data' and it loads fine." Sure that works for 2 or 3 days max, then you gmail starts screwing up again. "Just clear your private data" is a temporary fix AT BEST. It's really annoying to have to wait while all my sites re-download cookies, and having re-enter my passwords for the myriad log-in sites I uses.
There...
But yeah, does gmail load properly on Opera?
Anyone who has ever had a girlfriend KNOWS that women flush and turn red! And NOT just when they are angry!
well, thanks for the link...obviously you know more about this tech than I do...you're right, the article was pretty lame on tech details
.pdf, I can see why this IS considered a significant advancement
after looking over that
I guess you could say that my criticism about the marketability of this doesn't really apply b/c it's more like research (european at that) than a VC funded startup.
the diagram that shows the different projectors and mirrors got me to thinking about how this could very well result in something like a real 3D holograhic projection, on the order of, say R2D2's little 3-d projector only much bigger and with more mirrors
take it easy man
you said:
Now, my post is a basic logic progression. Basic logic, with a few axioms. If you want me to have dialog with you about the contentions in my post, then do the following:
1. Re-read my post and understand my contentions (hint: first 3 lines)
2. Show how my contentions are incorrect using logic...please refer to the wikipedia article for assistance.
If you do the following, and use blockquotes to show my statements (this assures the reader that you are not 'putting words in my mouth' as they say), then we can have an actual dialog.
Here, in the spirit of fair play, I'll give you an example of what you could do:
you are incorrect. Bush, as president, is not responsible for the policies he makes because [cite evidence or logical reasoning here].
Hope this tutorial helps
Bush doesn't have to be an evil genius to be guilty of mass murder. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The buck stops with him, and it's HIS fault if he was to ignorant to think analytically about the bullsh*t that Cheney, Rove, and Rummy were spooning him.
Bush must be accountable for his decisions, whether or not they were his ideas or not...he's the 'decider' as he was fond of saying.
That said, I think he should be impeached, booted out of office in disgrace (along with Cheney), tried for many crimes, but I would stop short of saying he should be put in court for mass murder.
And this one:
You seem confused. Do you like this product? Is it revolutionary? If not, then you have been flaming me for nothing. Pick a side...
I'm not an expert on "3D" viewscreens, but some
I still say this product means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of display advancement. It doesn't really get us any closer to a true 3D display (there is plenty of people trying to do research on that), it's just a really, really expensive plasma screen that has a small bit of 'wow' factor for a small number of people. The gains for video screen display are approaching a zero sum game...thousands of dollars more in price for very little added value in the product.
this isn't about screen display vs. headset vr...at all (keep your red herrings to yourself)...this IS about using hand motions to manipulate the image
from TFA:
The 3-D image is maintained as they move about - both in contrast with early attempts at holographic displays. But the real star of the Coherent project is not simply the display...Better yet, gesture recognition means that observers can manipulate the models by waving their hands in front of the screen. The function offers enormous scope for collaboration across the globe.
obviously, TFA disagrees with you. as others have posted, the multiple view '3D' on a screen is not new...and (according to TFA...see above), the main thing they are boasting about is the ability to "manipulate models by waving their hands"...which was only demo'd for a short time and was hilarious b/c the demonstrator was clearly not manipulating the Rubix cube, but following it's movements.
VAPORWARE
yeah this company is way behind the curve...the fact that you can get the same (better?) functionality from a modded child's toy says alot.
Sometimes I wonder what in the hell the venture capitalists who fund these things are thinking. Really. How many millions went into what we read about in TFA? Considering how many things like this I've seen, to me, it explains a small aspect about why the US economy is having trouble.
well said, probably in fewer words than I would have said it
the idea that internet communication is somehow inherently *different* from other types of communication has caused a lot of grief, mistakes, overprosecution, and ignorant legislation.
hope this law goes nowhere
yeah, i hear ya...i mean, no one has replied with any help for me...heh
/. goes, you can usually get good discussion going here, and help, but you have to fight through alot of bullshit. in your posts, don't say anything bad about a non-Microsoft product in strong terms...you have to beat around the bush, because at least 10 people reading it love it...unless it's microsoft. and try to make it clear that you have tried all the 'obvious' fixes and shortly describe why they didn't work (this was my problem in my post, should have mentioned right away that I deleted google and gmail cookies).
/. why don't you go ahead and make a profile and try it out?
another thing i noticed, if i restart my computer when gmail starts acting up, the problem goes away for an indeterminable ammount of time
deleting ALL cookies works, but i tried just deleting google and gmail cookies and it changed nothing..so yeah...there's that
as far as
if you're going to say something controversial, people will listen (some at least) but you have to be skillfull about it. if you have good logical reasons for hating Gentoo or whatever and you want to talk about it, say so, but make sure you don't do anything that could be perceived as flame or trolling. Note: no matter how careful you are, trolls and flamers will say shit. Actually, no matter what you say, if it gets modded up, someone will flame or troll you. it's a near certainty, and usually they won't get modded down unless it is a very lively thread.
I've only had 3 or 4 mods that i disagreed with, otherwise, the moderators have been pretty fair to me. I love
I tried that...i deleted all the google and gmail cookies individually and it changed nothing...
I use ff2 and i have the same issues with gmail loading in its 'standard' view...the ff help page says "delete your cookies" which works but it slows my browsing down alot after I do it b/c each page has to upload their cookies to me...(esp. b/c i have to go to the NYTimes registration generator all over again every time i delete my cookies)...
is there anything that can be done? i'm not switching browsers...
ff3 looks good, but I hope that some of those 'awesome bar' widgets can be turned off individually...don't want all that taking up my cycles...
Awesome! All those 20 year old kids probably have to keep coming to you with questions b/c you force them to use outdated software/processes.
Sure there are many 50+ people who are pillars of computer knowledge, but they are in the strict minority in their age group. It's true. Why does that fact bother you?
I'm 29, and of course people assume I'm kinda lazy b/c that's the stereotype of people my age. I'm not lazy, but I can understand the stereotype. Sometimes I have to go out of my way to counter that stereotype, but after a short time, older people who assume I'm a lazy pothead see that I'm not and everything is fine.
Quit whining and grow up old man!
Ok, so you linked to McCain's tax returns, that proves nothing of substance...the general point from the parent was that McCain is at the beck and call of the big service providers.
Whether it's hard money or soft money contributions, McCain record of service and public statements indicate he will do whatever the companies want.
Hey election supervisor, the only way to make sure electronic voting machines are being tampered with is to not use them.
USE PAPER BALLOTS
In the general election, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for John McCain. There's no other legitimate way to see it.
Ron Paul is a libertarian in the parlance of our times. McCain and the Republican party are basically the exact opposite of libertarian values. Their policies are borderline fascist.
If you are a libertarian, you are in a bad way in this election, so you have to be very realistic. Obama is way more libertarian on many issues than McCain. Sure, Obama is a standard liberal on many other issues, but at least with Obama you get something. McCain's POLICIES (not his rhetoric) are diametrically opposed to a true libertarian agenda.
Vote for Obama now. Let the Republican party die and be purged of Neo-cons...in 4 or 8 years, republicans can re-invent themselves as hardcore libertarians across the board to set up a new counter balance to liberals like Obama. Then, and only then, would it make sense for a libertarian to vote for a Republican.
yeah, i'm not a perfectionist...I still listen to some of the 'same' mp3 files (copied several times between laptops...but in essence the same) that I downloaded using gnutella clients 7 years ago...my whole radiohead, modest mouse, and pearl jam collections were from .torrents and those play very well...hell, i've got 311 and sublime mp3's from college that are 10 years old that i got from the original napster...ah the good ole days...
even now i prefer to have an actual cd from the artist as backup. i've seen some stories on /. about music cd decay, but even so, i like to support the artists I like.