To communicate the fact that they *really* aren't going to prosecute Assange?
They can't **promise** because US leaders do not know what new information could be revealed. It would be irresponsible and unprofessional for US Attorneys to say otherwise.
They can ***theoretically*** be, you know, actually telling the truth.
What I want to know is, under what conditions would the US be able to communicate this to your satisfaction?
What can the US Attorneys do that wont elicit a "Oh...yeah...SURE...they won't prosecute just indefinite detention" sarcasm
If the answer is nothing, then you have to wonder how much value your comment adds...if you are going to say the same comment no matter what the policy;)
It's not altruism if a favor is expected in return....doing something for someone else with no exectation of it being returned is altruism
That's why this discussion and the way TFA researchers define 'altruism' is completely usesless.
I hate bashing research outright...i'm not saying this research is bad b/c it's "obvious"...I'm saying it's bad because they use contradictory and overlapping definitions for the factors they test.
do you believe in Karma?
if so, *everything* you do has an expectation of being returned!!!! that means everything you do is selfish and therefore not altruistic.
see how these terms get muddled very quickly?
the problem is scale...on what scale do we measure "expectation of return"?
just b/c your company has some piece of paper saying it's a 'corporation' doesn't mean it's not controlled by **someone**
those people are the majority stock holders...**the Dutch Royalty**
you acknowledge yourself that the Monarchy still has a role:
As a rule, the Monarch will award only one Royal title per branch of business. Medical and financial corporations are excluded, as are organizations with political or religious goals.
OH OK...nothing to see here...move along!
everything I said is true, and reading between the lines of your comment proves it
"...evironmentally defined abstractions of heuristics of common human behavior..."
Circular horseshit.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's 'circular'...you sound like a young-earth creationist criticizing Radiocarbon dating...
If my description of "human personality" is so damn 'horseshit' then why don't you **CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION** and submit an alternate definition?
Consult a dictionary, re-read my post, then submit a counter-definition...that's how you can untrollface yourself
Everything about a human is based on and motivated by biology. Personality and behavior are biological in origin. How one reacts to ones environment is biological in origin.
so what? that doesn't disprove anything I said at all...I *never* said human existence is limited to one "ology"
if you going that route, then its ***PHYSICS*** not biology
every interaction in biology is based on interactions described in physics
You, and whoever modded me as "-1 Flamebait" is putting words in my mouth
I said Silk Road was for drugs and Bitcoin is how you pay for them....**THATS TRUE**
So the fact you can pay for drugs and other illegal things means we should ban it or at the very least treat it as extremely suspect?
Alright.
Let's do the same to the dollar, the Euro and ruple. I am fairly certain that more drugs and illegal things get bought for those in an hour than gets bought with BTC for an entire day.
I never said we could solve this problem by "banning" any currency!
YOU SAID THAT
my comment was about the reality of what Silk Road is and how pretending its anything else hurts our profession!!!!!
Computers are already better at "general knowledge" than humans despite the fact
only in very specific artificial conditions...
humans *define* every parameter in the process of IBM's Watson answering a question...it is a completely contrived environment
I won't even get into defining "general knowledge" except to say that it varies by human geography....Jeopary as a game does not test "general knowledge"...it selects topics with that aim, but what Jeopardy pics as questions does not **define** what "general knowledge" is in some scientific sense.
The Jeopardy human contestants are **told what general categories the quesitons will cover before the game**....Watson was allowed to index the whole internet...
Watson=Google search plus human interaction heuristics so it can communicte what it finds to us...
Watson does not, nor never will have "common sense" about "general knowledge"
Aren't human personalities also a type of programmed responses?
No. Human personalities are complex, socially & evironmentally defined abstractions of heuristics of common human behavior in a social/economic context that is both self-chosen AND confered upon a person by the people around them.
Humans are the most complex things in existence except for the universe itself.
Don't we spend years training children to respond in the way that makes us happy?
No. Some people abuse their children in that way, but proper parenting **enables** the child to become an adult that can rely upon **themselves** to understand the world around them and seek answers to the same questions all humans seek to answer.
Just because some people can be successfully 'brainwashed' doesn't prove your point...attempting to 'brainwash' someone is taking away their personal freedom.
What you describe is the absolute opposite of education. Look at any contemporary education theory...start with Thomas Dewey.
Why is it different when we use the same stimulus-response training with a computer?
Because humans have what we call "human rights" which means that you must repsect their free autonomy to choose to **train themselves** via stimulus-response.
Also, 'stimulus-response' training, also known as aversion therapy, has been proven to only work when the person has **internal** motivation.
this is just a program that analyzes text & images then returns sentences which humans can make sense from based on algorythm...*not saying its 'easy'* but its not a "thinking machine" or "learning common sense" in any way.
It is simply indexing the images & processing them according to the algorythm it was given.
TFA doesn't get into it much, but we can glean a bit from this:
Some of NEIL’s computer-generated associations are wrong, such as “rhino can be a kind of antelope,” while some are odd, such as “actor can be found in jail cell” or “news anchor can look similar to Barack Obama.”
that's the return...they define "common sense" as making associations between nouns and the images associated with the text on the origin page
"X can be a kind of Y"
analyze image
analyze text
identify nouns
associate nouns with image
idenfify all images that match noun
return: "X is related to Y"
"AI is a type of programmed computer response"...if you get my meaning;)
those 1,000,000,000 people would be slaughtered...and the Chinese goverment would secretly be **cheering**
their population/environment is headed straight off a cliff....they **need** their male population reduced after the 1 Child Policy screwed up their whole male/female population balance
also, how the fuck do the 1,000,000,000 man "army" get here to North American continent?
no boats or planes with unfriendly intent can get anywhere near the US borders
note: none of this will ever happen b/c chinese leaders arent idiots
Apartment building & iPhones dont make them '1st World'...
They are a **communist totalitarian country** with **state controlled media & markets**
Has everyone forgotten what a state controlled media means? Fox News is horrible, but it is ***NOTHING*** compared to China's news.
Here's why China is not threat: they can barely keep their country together & it's zooming to an environmental/human crisis...
1. Pollution
1.a. Human Pollution: China's disasterous 1 child policy and culture of favoring male children has resulted in a whole generation of Chinese society that is 60-40 Male-Female...it's a social crisis they talk about all the time over there
1.b. Environmental Pollution: Have you seen the fucking pictures of the smog? Dumping of industrial waste turning rivers red? Dumping of Human corpses into main rivers? Its a fucking nightmare...
Chinese people are just as awesome as any other people...it's their government and our government's relationship to it economically that causes any notion of friction
China is **not** a threat to the United States in any serious way!
There is no "shortfall" of coders. There's just a glut of employers who want just-in-time employees cheap. Ones they can lay off at any time. Ones they don't have to send to training classes.
Yes. Agree 100%.
ALL OF US need to *call our congressman* and explain the above statement and demand they ignore FWD.US's policy suggestions.
Just look at the people...Gates and Ballmer? These guys are awful...they are horrible examples for businesspeople & have destructive notions of how society works. Zuckerberg demonstrates some competence but still his business philosophy is just as horrible and abusive as M$'s...then of course there's Eric fucking Schmidt...he who said on Colbert that only people who do bad things worry about privacy.
These people are the bad guys. Their ideas as always crafted strategically to maximize their personal profits...
FWD.US is for corporate profit by hiring cheap overseas labor...its not about hiring US workers
Else why would all the wealthy people who are in congress ever pass taxes like that? Most liberal/progressives want very high taxes on the other guy.
seriously?
progressive 'rich people' including many members on Congress vote for laws that raise taxes whenever possible and suggest raising them whenever it makes sense
many, many 'rich' people support policies that would raise their own taxes....Stephen Colbert jokes about it all the time while satirizing WASP culture
they vote for the policies...not just rhetoric!...when GOP obstructionists & their high finance overlords let it happen
TFA is practically Chinese Government propaganda...
Someone is bucking for a promotion, or angling for some kickbacks on new radar systems...
China is a 3rd world country wholly dependent economically on the US...China's economy is only as good as the 'Full faith and credit' of the US Bond's it is based on
China's military is not a threat. Japan, the US, Korea, and Russia will all oppose anything they would do, ***and they know this***
China is a **communist country*** with **state controlled media**
China is North Korea lite...the diet coke of North Korea
both you and GP seem foreign to this whole enterprise...mouths are integral for sex...but taste is...a parenthetical sensation at best...one enjoyed b/c of the source it...came from...not because of any inherent characteristic
WTF does that have to do with the English Monarchy (via their corporate holdings) dominating its peasants
I don't even want to hear the English complain when they're living 1984 in 20 years.
First, it's not like they didn't have a novel warning them.
Second, they know their democracy is contingent on Royal perogative. They can find out who owns what assets. They can read where the Monarch's money went & how companies like **Royal** Dutch Shell and BP continue colonialism via different means to this day. They have basic freedoms. They should know better.
Third, Ireland & europe, and the USA would help them peacefully transition.
That's why this censorship happens...because English people aren't free.
They've been colluding against electric cars for a century.
Any...and I mean any...discussion about "What are electric cars not X?" must acknowledge that the technology has been surpressed by the oil industry w/ the Big 3's help. How could we not still be feeling the effects? With all the legacy tech and wasted R&D (cupholders people? seriously?) it'll be another 50 years maybe before electric technology has recovered.
Gas prices.
No single factor is in any way more important to car owners in general. If you understand that truth then the suppression of electric car technology becomes painfully evident.
In open competition, electric cars would have beaten out gasoline decades ago...
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To communicate the fact that they *really* aren't going to prosecute Assange?
They can't **promise** because US leaders do not know what new information could be revealed. It would be irresponsible and unprofessional for US Attorneys to say otherwise.
They can ***theoretically*** be, you know, actually telling the truth.
What I want to know is, under what conditions would the US be able to communicate this to your satisfaction?
What can the US Attorneys do that wont elicit a "Oh...yeah...SURE...they won't prosecute just indefinite detention" sarcasm
If the answer is nothing, then you have to wonder how much value your comment adds...if you are going to say the same comment no matter what the policy ;)
alot of people are pretending Silk Road & Bitcoin are not used in conjunction for the drug trade...
look man, my original post, which I linked to has my full comment...
you can't pick one fragment of a sentence, retort with the categorical opposite statement of that fragment, and call it an 'argument'
my point is easy to understand: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4480863&cid=45511411
also: all tech professions, esp internet of any kind
listen...man...this is decaying fast...
i said, in text written at the bottom of the the comment you responded to what my point was
I said it in plain language:
it's right there...highlighted for you...with bold, italic, and **'s
respond coherently now
That's why this discussion and the way TFA researchers define 'altruism' is completely usesless.
I hate bashing research outright...i'm not saying this research is bad b/c it's "obvious"...I'm saying it's bad because they use contradictory and overlapping definitions for the factors they test.
do you believe in Karma?
if so, *everything* you do has an expectation of being returned!!!! that means everything you do is selfish and therefore not altruistic.
see how these terms get muddled very quickly?
the problem is scale...on what scale do we measure "expectation of return"?
just b/c your company has some piece of paper saying it's a 'corporation' doesn't mean it's not controlled by **someone**
those people are the majority stock holders...**the Dutch Royalty**
you acknowledge yourself that the Monarchy still has a role:
OH OK...nothing to see here...move along!
everything I said is true, and reading between the lines of your comment proves it
PR commentors are the scum of the earth...
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's 'circular'...you sound like a young-earth creationist criticizing Radiocarbon dating...
If my description of "human personality" is so damn 'horseshit' then why don't you **CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION** and submit an alternate definition?
Consult a dictionary, re-read my post, then submit a counter-definition...that's how you can untrollface yourself
Fine...YOU DEFINE IT
Define complexity in the context we are using it, then show how your definition makes "weather patters" more complex than the human mind
Go ahead! I want to see what you come up with!
so what? that doesn't disprove anything I said at all...I *never* said human existence is limited to one "ology"
if you going that route, then its ***PHYSICS*** not biology
every interaction in biology is based on interactions described in physics
You, and whoever modded me as "-1 Flamebait" is putting words in my mouth
I said Silk Road was for drugs and Bitcoin is how you pay for them....**THATS TRUE**
I never said we could solve this problem by "banning" any currency!
YOU SAID THAT
my comment was about the reality of what Silk Road is and how pretending its anything else hurts our profession!!!!!
only in very specific artificial conditions...
humans *define* every parameter in the process of IBM's Watson answering a question...it is a completely contrived environment
I won't even get into defining "general knowledge" except to say that it varies by human geography....Jeopary as a game does not test "general knowledge"...it selects topics with that aim, but what Jeopardy pics as questions does not **define** what "general knowledge" is in some scientific sense.
The Jeopardy human contestants are **told what general categories the quesitons will cover before the game**....Watson was allowed to index the whole internet...
Watson=Google search plus human interaction heuristics so it can communicte what it finds to us...
Watson does not, nor never will have "common sense" about "general knowledge"
No. Human personalities are complex, socially & evironmentally defined abstractions of heuristics of common human behavior in a social/economic context that is both self-chosen AND confered upon a person by the people around them.
Humans are the most complex things in existence except for the universe itself.
No. Some people abuse their children in that way, but proper parenting **enables** the child to become an adult that can rely upon **themselves** to understand the world around them and seek answers to the same questions all humans seek to answer.
Just because some people can be successfully 'brainwashed' doesn't prove your point...attempting to 'brainwash' someone is taking away their personal freedom.
What you describe is the absolute opposite of education. Look at any contemporary education theory...start with Thomas Dewey.
Because humans have what we call "human rights" which means that you must repsect their free autonomy to choose to **train themselves** via stimulus-response.
Also, 'stimulus-response' training, also known as aversion therapy, has been proven to only work when the person has **internal** motivation.
this is just a program that analyzes text & images then returns sentences which humans can make sense from based on algorythm...*not saying its 'easy'* but its not a "thinking machine" or "learning common sense" in any way.
It is simply indexing the images & processing them according to the algorythm it was given.
TFA doesn't get into it much, but we can glean a bit from this:
that's the return...they define "common sense" as making associations between nouns and the images associated with the text on the origin page
"X can be a kind of Y"
analyze image
analyze text
identify nouns
associate nouns with image
idenfify all images that match noun
return: "X is related to Y"
"AI is a type of programmed computer response"...if you get my meaning ;)
those 1,000,000,000 people would be slaughtered...and the Chinese goverment would secretly be **cheering**
their population/environment is headed straight off a cliff....they **need** their male population reduced after the 1 Child Policy screwed up their whole male/female population balance
also, how the fuck do the 1,000,000,000 man "army" get here to North American continent?
no boats or planes with unfriendly intent can get anywhere near the US borders
note: none of this will ever happen b/c chinese leaders arent idiots
Apartment building & iPhones dont make them '1st World'...
They are a **communist totalitarian country** with **state controlled media & markets**
Has everyone forgotten what a state controlled media means? Fox News is horrible, but it is ***NOTHING*** compared to China's news.
Here's why China is not threat: they can barely keep their country together & it's zooming to an environmental/human crisis...
1. Pollution
1.a. Human Pollution: China's disasterous 1 child policy and culture of favoring male children has resulted in a whole generation of Chinese society that is 60-40 Male-Female...it's a social crisis they talk about all the time over there
1.b. Environmental Pollution: Have you seen the fucking pictures of the smog? Dumping of industrial waste turning rivers red? Dumping of Human corpses into main rivers? Its a fucking nightmare...
Chinese people are just as awesome as any other people...it's their government and our government's relationship to it economically that causes any notion of friction
China is **not** a threat to the United States in any serious way!
Yes. Agree 100%.
ALL OF US need to *call our congressman* and explain the above statement and demand they ignore FWD.US's policy suggestions.
Just look at the people...Gates and Ballmer? These guys are awful...they are horrible examples for businesspeople & have destructive notions of how society works. Zuckerberg demonstrates some competence but still his business philosophy is just as horrible and abusive as M$'s...then of course there's Eric fucking Schmidt...he who said on Colbert that only people who do bad things worry about privacy.
These people are the bad guys. Their ideas as always crafted strategically to maximize their personal profits...
FWD.US is for corporate profit by hiring cheap overseas labor...its not about hiring US workers
seriously?
progressive 'rich people' including many members on Congress vote for laws that raise taxes whenever possible and suggest raising them whenever it makes sense
many, many 'rich' people support policies that would raise their own taxes....Stephen Colbert jokes about it all the time while satirizing WASP culture
they vote for the policies...not just rhetoric!...when GOP obstructionists & their high finance overlords let it happen
What is your "correct" tax rate?
in my original comment, I explained it...
progressive income tax is **as american as Apple pie**
the income tax brackets and rates were sharply progressive
TFA is practically Chinese Government propaganda...
Someone is bucking for a promotion, or angling for some kickbacks on new radar systems...
China is a 3rd world country wholly dependent economically on the US...China's economy is only as good as the 'Full faith and credit' of the US Bond's it is based on
China's military is not a threat. Japan, the US, Korea, and Russia will all oppose anything they would do, ***and they know this***
China is a **communist country*** with **state controlled media**
China is North Korea lite...the diet coke of North Korea
ahem...
the mouth is commonly used in sex acts ...
which would involve taste
both you and GP seem foreign to this whole enterprise...mouths are integral for sex...but taste is...a parenthetical sensation at best...one enjoyed b/c of the source it...came from...not because of any inherent characteristic
^mod up
I came here to say the very same thing.
I'm a left-leaning libertarian policywise & the minimum wage issue gives me trouble.
the progressive/liberal in me says we need minimum wage laws for the same reason we need worker safety regulations...
the libertarian in me thinks it's a temporary fix for a broken system
the Republican in me does another shot, does a line off a hooker's ass, & calls my wife to tell her I'll be late for Sunday school
but i digress...
I can't think of a good reason to oppose this whole minimum wage law Renaissance...but I see trouble brewing...
TFA is a sing of it...some sort of national "Salary Cap"???
Why don't we just raise taxes back to their...idk...Dwight D. Eisenhower levels?
see, Royal Dutch Shell is the 'Saxon' in the Anglo-Saxon aristocratic alliance ;)
so what Google block's kiddie porn...
WTF does that have to do with the English Monarchy (via their corporate holdings) dominating its peasants
I don't even want to hear the English complain when they're living 1984 in 20 years.
First, it's not like they didn't have a novel warning them.
Second, they know their democracy is contingent on Royal perogative. They can find out who owns what assets. They can read where the Monarch's money went & how companies like **Royal** Dutch Shell and BP continue colonialism via different means to this day. They have basic freedoms. They should know better.
Third, Ireland & europe, and the USA would help them peacefully transition.
That's why this censorship happens...because English people aren't free.
"two words":
Oil
Auto
They've been colluding against electric cars for a century.
Any...and I mean any...discussion about "What are electric cars not X?" must acknowledge that the technology has been surpressed by the oil industry w/ the Big 3's help. How could we not still be feeling the effects? With all the legacy tech and wasted R&D (cupholders people? seriously?) it'll be another 50 years maybe before electric technology has recovered.
Gas prices.
No single factor is in any way more important to car owners in general. If you understand that truth then the suppression of electric car technology becomes painfully evident.
In open competition, electric cars would have beaten out gasoline decades ago...
I'm assuming you mean the ones without a Schwarzgerät guidance system. 00000 was first deployed in mid-late 1945.