As long as the attorneys arguing the case played no part in the theft of proprietary and/or trade secret documents, nor encouraged anyone else to do the same, they are admissible as evidence in court (in most states). Then again, IANAL and may just be talking out of my ass...
There is no crime here - only the violation of a non-disclosure agreement on the part of a SCO employee... as far as I can tell anyway...
Well that's just more FUD... they know better than to sue anyone for the specific reason of using Linux... By limiting their suits to their own customers, they can make it about a contract instead of intellectual property, because they know they don't have a leg to stand on in the IP realm...
Dirk, Gary, Nancy, Sue, Jim, Rebecca, and Dwight are sitting at a round table. If Jim sues Rebecca two seats to his right, Sue sues Dwight, who is sitting next to her, Dirk sues Gary to his left and Jim across from him, Rebecca sues Gary next to her and Dirk two places to her right, and Nancy sues the person two places to her left, who did Nancy sue?
It's not a conflict of interest because SCO does not own Linux, or any part of Linux, and has not established any ruling to that effect. The Nevada court is not ruling on SCO's claim to the ownership of Linux. In fact, neither of these cases has anything to do with Linux. These cases are related to SCO's suspicion that these two SCO customers have violated their EULAs.
Darl: Good morning. My name is Napol^H^H^H^H^HDarl Bonap^H^H^H^H^HMcBride and I'll be your host this morning. First order of business, we're going to be Invad^H^H^H^H^HSuing everyone in sight....
You're missing the point here. Under our current administration, the viewpoint is this:
People who work for free, and give their product away, are not only not contributing to the economy, but also detracting from it because people are using a free product instead of one that costs money. Since business is more important to the shrub than people, it is obvious that we will never see any action on the part of this government against SCO. In fact, I am sure that in some back room, the administration has cut a non-action agreement with SCO and M$ to let this happen and try to get rid of Linux. After all, it's better for the economy, and therefore the shrub's reelection chances, for people to be spending money....
A ways back in time, I made a rough calculation of the amount of CO2 added to the atmosphere every year by 6 billion breathing humans... it turned out to be on the order of millions of times the amount of CO2 that has been released by the cumulative burning of fossil fuels (including coal) since 1950.
Nothing on your resume is bad until you make it sound bad. Simply explaining the situation is the best thing you can do, even better if you can show how you learned/benefitted from it, or how it gave you an opportunity to adapt to change.
You're thinking of standard definition VCR recording, which is about 200 scan lines. NTSC TV is 525 scan lines... In contrast, SVHS recorders can handle about 400 scan lines..
Yes, M$ lost in its efforts, but it took a coalition of about, oh, I dunno, about two dozen other companies who are actually IN the television business to do it.
Since M$ owns much of if not a majority stake in Comcast, this is a great way for them to get into a position to dominate media distribution like they've always wanted to... Don't forget that M$ led a drive to make "high definition" television 640x480, which is lower resolution than analog tv, just for their own benefit.
They're salivating over the chance to get their DRM-hooks into a big media company..
I graduated from Tech with my MSEE in 2001... I've found that the numbers that the career services center gives you are highly inflated, in order to try to attract more students (money). When do you graduate? I'd be interested in following up to find out if you see the same thing..
Not to mention that high-end, high-power transmitter amplifiers that use tubes are about a billion times more reliable than solid-state amps...
One good ESD can kill a $500k AM transmitter, but a bolt of lightning does nothing to a tube-driven one...
I love all the other hams that brag about their Alpha amplifier... but I feel very satisfied when they're amp is in the shop and I'm humming away on my Ameritron:)
I'll disagree with you on one point. It is not technology for technology's sake. It's technology for money's sake. It's harder and harder to make money on analog radio because you never know how many people are listening. You have to go by census bureau estimates, which are often outdated and far from accurate. With subscription-based services, not only do you know exactly how many listeners you have, the fact that you can prove listenership lets you charge more for advertising. Also, you can get your meathooks into people's wallets, giving you steady income you can count on. This makes your company more stable which will draw investors.
Well, I guess you made both points, so I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you:)
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So, what you're saying is that they had the moral right to STEAL our technology, SUBVERT our national security, and put American lives, and the lives of the rest of the world in danger?
The moral responsibility of preventing a nuclear holocaust, at all costs, far outweights the petty theif's "moral right" to steal. The USSR was simply not allowed to keep up the arms race - it was not an option that the world could accept. When it comes to nuclear, there IS NO OPTION other than to make DAMN SURE nobody launches. Conventional wars can be stopped, but a nuclear war is THE END OF IT ALL, FOREVER. That's something you appeasists just never seem to understand.
And, if you think that these sorts of activities are no longer done, you're sorely mistaken. If the second place guy is so far back there's no hope of winning, nobody will fight that hard. That's good. AS soon as you have two contenders for the throne, things get ugly, fast.
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As long as the attorneys arguing the case played no part in the theft of proprietary and/or trade secret documents, nor encouraged anyone else to do the same, they are admissible as evidence in court (in most states). Then again, IANAL and may just be talking out of my ass...
There is no crime here - only the violation of a non-disclosure agreement on the part of a SCO employee... as far as I can tell anyway...
Which was later obfuscated by IBM into:
10 PRINT "SCO RULE"
20 RUN
Well that's just more FUD... they know better than to sue anyone for the specific reason of using Linux... By limiting their suits to their own customers, they can make it about a contract instead of intellectual property, because they know they don't have a leg to stand on in the IP realm...
Dirk, Gary, Nancy, Sue, Jim, Rebecca, and Dwight are sitting at a round table. If Jim sues Rebecca two seats to his right, Sue sues Dwight, who is sitting next to her, Dirk sues Gary to his left and Jim across from him, Rebecca sues Gary next to her and Dirk two places to her right, and Nancy sues the person two places to her left, who did Nancy sue?
It's not a conflict of interest because SCO does not own Linux, or any part of Linux, and has not established any ruling to that effect. The Nevada court is not ruling on SCO's claim to the ownership of Linux. In fact, neither of these cases has anything to do with Linux. These cases are related to SCO's suspicion that these two SCO customers have violated their EULAs.
Darl: Good morning. My name is Napol^H^H^H^H^HDarl Bonap^H^H^H^H^HMcBride and I'll be your host this morning. First order of business, we're going to be Invad^H^H^H^H^HSuing everyone in sight....
This case is so intertwined with the current SCO/IBM fight, I bet this will more likely be the case:
AZ: Hey IBM, we've been sued... we know your law department is currently handling our Plaintiff..
IBM: Yes, we know that
AZ: So, let's consolidate suits. Since your law department is more familiar with our Plaintiff, we could just pay you to litigate this for us
IBM: Good idea
*thinking*
IBM: You know what, I bet we could have both of these cases consolidated to the court that is trying our current case... wonderful idea
SCO: Oh FUCK....
Now that SCO has pu their fraud, extortion, and racketeering on paper, when does the criminal suit from the DoJ get filed?
What, like property tax?
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Right, and just about every dollar you spend on hardware goes to China, except maybe the $.50 that the Chinese-owned computer shop made in "profit"...
You're missing the point here. Under our current administration, the viewpoint is this:
People who work for free, and give their product away, are not only not contributing to the economy, but also detracting from it because people are using a free product instead of one that costs money. Since business is more important to the shrub than people, it is obvious that we will never see any action on the part of this government against SCO. In fact, I am sure that in some back room, the administration has cut a non-action agreement with SCO and M$ to let this happen and try to get rid of Linux. After all, it's better for the economy, and therefore the shrub's reelection chances, for people to be spending money....
A ways back in time, I made a rough calculation of the amount of CO2 added to the atmosphere every year by 6 billion breathing humans... it turned out to be on the order of millions of times the amount of CO2 that has been released by the cumulative burning of fossil fuels (including coal) since 1950.
Nothing on your resume is bad until you make it sound bad. Simply explaining the situation is the best thing you can do, even better if you can show how you learned/benefitted from it, or how it gave you an opportunity to adapt to change.
Whining or assigning blame is the worst.
You're thinking of standard definition VCR recording, which is about 200 scan lines. NTSC TV is 525 scan lines... In contrast, SVHS recorders can handle about 400 scan lines..
Yes, M$ lost in its efforts, but it took a coalition of about, oh, I dunno, about two dozen other companies who are actually IN the television business to do it.
Since M$ owns much of if not a majority stake in Comcast, this is a great way for them to get into a position to dominate media distribution like they've always wanted to... Don't forget that M$ led a drive to make "high definition" television 640x480, which is lower resolution than analog tv, just for their own benefit.
They're salivating over the chance to get their DRM-hooks into a big media company..
What's sad is that I heard about it from you before I heard about it here.
If you want stiffer punishment, see this story.
"Aspiring young hackers?! Aspiring young hackers don't cut and paste other people's code."
:)
What did you expect when all these new worms are released under GPL?
I graduated from Tech with my MSEE in 2001... I've found that the numbers that the career services center gives you are highly inflated, in order to try to attract more students (money). When do you graduate? I'd be interested in following up to find out if you see the same thing..
Or NetBEUI for that matter...
Not to mention that high-end, high-power transmitter amplifiers that use tubes are about a billion times more reliable than solid-state amps...
:)
One good ESD can kill a $500k AM transmitter, but a bolt of lightning does nothing to a tube-driven one...
I love all the other hams that brag about their Alpha amplifier... but I feel very satisfied when they're amp is in the shop and I'm humming away on my Ameritron
I'll disagree with you on one point. It is not technology for technology's sake. It's technology for money's sake. It's harder and harder to make money on analog radio because you never know how many people are listening. You have to go by census bureau estimates, which are often outdated and far from accurate. With subscription-based services, not only do you know exactly how many listeners you have, the fact that you can prove listenership lets you charge more for advertising. Also, you can get your meathooks into people's wallets, giving you steady income you can count on. This makes your company more stable which will draw investors.
:)
Well, I guess you made both points, so I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you
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write(*,*) 'I have no idea what a pointer is!'
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write(*,*) 'And it's impossible to tell when one line ends and the next begins!'
C
write(*,*) 'And I put a LF at the end of every write statement. How convenient!'
C
write(*,*) 'Well that's all for now. I guess I'll return to the operating system without a return code!'
C
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So, what you're saying is that they had the moral right to STEAL our technology, SUBVERT our national security, and put American lives, and the lives of the rest of the world in danger?
The moral responsibility of preventing a nuclear holocaust, at all costs, far outweights the petty theif's "moral right" to steal. The USSR was simply not allowed to keep up the arms race - it was not an option that the world could accept. When it comes to nuclear, there IS NO OPTION other than to make DAMN SURE nobody launches. Conventional wars can be stopped, but a nuclear war is THE END OF IT ALL, FOREVER. That's something you appeasists just never seem to understand.
And, if you think that these sorts of activities are no longer done, you're sorely mistaken. If the second place guy is so far back there's no hope of winning, nobody will fight that hard. That's good. AS soon as you have two contenders for the throne, things get ugly, fast.