It is interesting that all these people agreed with the administrations in power. However, keep one thing in mind. The administrations chose to share with them particular information. Both the Clinton White House and the Bush White House have had an agenda that included looking tough on Iraq and the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq.
It seems likely that the Bush administration would have had much less support for war in Iraq without 9/11. The did come in with the agenda of invading Iraq, that's been fairly well substantiated. You may be right that they couldn't have pulled it off.
Regardless of whether you think it is right or wrong to go to war, ie whether or not we had a casus bella against him that would stand up in a court of law, it is, in my oppinion, bad policy to risk so many of your own lives, and kill so many of their people, just because you are legally allowed to and pretty fed up. If your experts aren't giving you real data that says yes, in all likelihood this country is producing weapons of mass destruction, and is likely to use it, it's just not worth it. It is particularly not worth it if all the experts are saying the likely result is chaos which is not beneficial to U.S. interests.
The problem with the Bush administration's approach is that they basically were looking, from day 1, for a way to justify attacking Iraq. What they then did was latch on to any flimsy excuse. The result isn't that pretty, but regardless of the result, it was wrong to risk U.S. lives, and Iraqi lives, on flimsy evidence that you knew to be flimsy and probably inaccurate.
They payoff that was expected to off-balance those risks has yet to come, and it looks like it probably won't.
All this talk back and forth, flaming, hating, impassioned arguements about responsibility versus bio-destiny. And what do we have at the end of the day? Not nearly enough information. The truth is, the TRUTH is that we know so effing little about the brain, that even if this were an empiric study we would have little data to interpret it with. But it's not an empiric study, it's not even a fairly comprehensive study over time. It's a very preliminary study and like all studies with a hint of controversy, as soon as someone publishes it two things happen:
Media outlets misinterpret it and distort it because they're lazy and sensationalistic, no matter what their political beliefs (cue the Liberal Media conspiracy theorists and the Fox News haters)
Message board dweebs jump all over it to justify their own personal agendas and pet peeves including my favorite the "No one takes responsibilty for their actions anymore" crowd, ignoring completely that there's no one out there saying "Hey, I can't help being a Republican, my whosit in my brain is under powered!"
Get out of the way of the scientists, we can all check back in 20 or 30 years when we actually KNOW SOMETHING.
There are bad movies and there are bad movies that are meant to be bad. I'm referring to campy movies like Attack of the Killers Tomatoes. Those movies are fun to watch. Movies like First Knight, my vote for worst movie I've ever seen, are not meant to be bad, and that makes them even more excruciating.
We use Access to monitor our service provision, tens of thousands of program and we've never had this problem. Not that I'd recommend it. Access sucks. The only thing worse than using Access is using it badly.
If you had read the whole article, you would have seen that paper records are 12 months out of date. So yes, you can go to Washington a year from now to see the records through June 28th, 2004.
Oh yes, I didn't mean to imply that the Democrats were moral, just that they aren't good at this kind of blatent backstabbing and hypocritical behavior. Also, the Republicans are pretty lock-step these days, with very little meaningful deviation from the party line. Democrats are disorganized and self-hating. Clinton taught them that.
If I think a Republican will lose anyway, I'll vote Green, even though I'm not thrilled at all with some of them.
This is an interesting point, especially since the Republicans in particular seem to think that anyone Bush appoints has a right to the office, and if Democrats question the nominee and exert their constitutional duty to approve or deny, they are being "political", which some how became a bad word.
I think, in terms of sports, the closest analog to computer games is car racing. Because of the technological progression of cars. Imagine a racer from the 50s trying to compete in modern racing. Having CounterStrike tournaments is akin to racing historical cars. Interesting perhaps for a fan base, but gradually people will move on.
Most other sports, the technological development is fairly slim. Sure, there's a different baseball now, I hear. Different padding for U.S. Football. However, fundamentally it's tactics that change. And one goal of promoting sports is physical fitness. What does one get with an FPS tournament? Better eye/hand coordination?
Out Executive Director (the Non-Profit equivalent of the CEO) brings his dog in, and the dog attends all our meetings, goes all over the office. My allergies have never been this bad. I get sinus infections all the time. Fortunately, I'm leaving soon.
157 comments so far, and no jerk has said something akin to "How stupid are you for not looking on Google first./. is the last place you want to ask anyone any questions. I hate slashdot, and I'll continue to post that message here over and over."
Good point. Since our network providers also provided the original systems (actually aquired them for us from Dell) we assumed that everything was cool, HCL wise. As a mid-sized non-profit, we thought that major brand items (the cards are from Orinocco) would be fine. And that our network provider would keep a records of what our hardware was 4 years later. That proved to be a foolish assumption. We watch things a little more closely now.
When Win2K SP4 rolled out, our network provider decided to patch everyone's system at once. Almost every system in the agency went down. Turned out the for some reason SP4 was not compatible with our old network cards. We had to roll back the patch. On some systems, even that didn't work. We had to install new network cards. What I don't understand is if 10 year old DOS programs work, why my 4 year old network card didn't.
I'm going to be very careful about allowing XPSP2 into our environment.
These are the top 500 that we know about. What do you bet the NSA (and whatever the Chinese and possibly the Russian equivalents are) has at least 1 that is faster than all of these?
If I had mod points, I'd mod you down. Every single time someone uses Ask Slashdot, there's at least one person who has the time to waste telling them they are being stupid. Most of them have the phrase "No offense" in there somewhere.
If I do a Google search on something tech related, the best answers are usually in tech forums, not product web sites. That makes this a good place to ask. At very least, people can point out sites or forums where there's good information.
1) Did you notice how many people who had actual experience (including someone who works at Hammerhead Productions) chimed in to give advice. Therebye proving you dead wrong.
2) Did you notice that in almost every single Ask Slashdot there's one punk who asks "Why ask here? You're just wasting your time." If these people really hate Ask Slashdot, they should stop reading it.
If you weren't already moded 5, I'd mod you up.
What I love are the "objective" ways to definitively answer a subjective question. This is a good case in point. The answer to the question uses a point system. But the point system is, of course, a subjective weight.
No, it's the twisting of facts that I disagree with, not "logical and objective observations." Since German Jews were not forced to leave, but only foriegn Jews. Take a look at the rest of benzapp's postings, especially the one where he says only hundreds of thousands of people wer killed in Nazi camps, and implies that it was only from bad conditions, not systematic murder. Of course, the majority of the 6,000,000 to 12,000,000 Jews murdered did come from other countries. That doesn't mean that German Jews didn't suffer and be killed in large numbers.
Since you're obviously not invested in actual civilized discourse but rather in directly insulting and attacking people, I'm going to ignore you from now on.
Where I got that you're a holocaust denier was from the post where you wrote:
So, what were all those Jews doing from the time Hitler was elected in 1933 until the holocaust supposedly happened in 1943? Being worked to death? For a decade?
When I asked you if you believed the holocaust took place, you didn't answer the question.
That was a quick 5 minute search. Since we're way off topic, and you are using typical trolls method of avoiding real conversation, (trying to constantly shift the discussion when challenged on a point) I'm going to end this discussion.
Ah, you're a denier. You're deluded. I actually studied all this stuff academically, got my MA in Eastern European History. Visted the concentration camp sites. Read all the books that you probably think are propaganda. You're just a sad pathetic person trying to spread lies.
Slashdot Mirror
If we could only get rid of the ones under the bridge. And under the bed.
It is interesting that all these people agreed with the administrations in power. However, keep one thing in mind. The administrations chose to share with them particular information. Both the Clinton White House and the Bush White House have had an agenda that included looking tough on Iraq and the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq.
It seems likely that the Bush administration would have had much less support for war in Iraq without 9/11. The did come in with the agenda of invading Iraq, that's been fairly well substantiated. You may be right that they couldn't have pulled it off.
Regardless of whether you think it is right or wrong to go to war, ie whether or not we had a casus bella against him that would stand up in a court of law, it is, in my oppinion, bad policy to risk so many of your own lives, and kill so many of their people, just because you are legally allowed to and pretty fed up. If your experts aren't giving you real data that says yes, in all likelihood this country is producing weapons of mass destruction, and is likely to use it, it's just not worth it. It is particularly not worth it if all the experts are saying the likely result is chaos which is not beneficial to U.S. interests. The problem with the Bush administration's approach is that they basically were looking, from day 1, for a way to justify attacking Iraq. What they then did was latch on to any flimsy excuse. The result isn't that pretty, but regardless of the result, it was wrong to risk U.S. lives, and Iraqi lives, on flimsy evidence that you knew to be flimsy and probably inaccurate. They payoff that was expected to off-balance those risks has yet to come, and it looks like it probably won't.
An election year.
Media outlets misinterpret it and distort it because they're lazy and sensationalistic, no matter what their political beliefs (cue the Liberal Media conspiracy theorists and the Fox News haters)
Message board dweebs jump all over it to justify their own personal agendas and pet peeves including my favorite the "No one takes responsibilty for their actions anymore" crowd, ignoring completely that there's no one out there saying "Hey, I can't help being a Republican, my whosit in my brain is under powered!"
Get out of the way of the scientists, we can all check back in 20 or 30 years when we actually KNOW SOMETHING.There are bad movies and there are bad movies that are meant to be bad. I'm referring to campy movies like Attack of the Killers Tomatoes. Those movies are fun to watch. Movies like First Knight, my vote for worst movie I've ever seen, are not meant to be bad, and that makes them even more excruciating.
Does that mean that my brain is a recording device and I can't use it?
We use Access to monitor our service provision, tens of thousands of program and we've never had this problem. Not that I'd recommend it. Access sucks. The only thing worse than using Access is using it badly.
If you had read the whole article, you would have seen that paper records are 12 months out of date. So yes, you can go to Washington a year from now to see the records through June 28th, 2004.
Out of curiosity, do most Indian comics have names that sound like Linux distros?
Oh yes, I didn't mean to imply that the Democrats were moral, just that they aren't good at this kind of blatent backstabbing and hypocritical behavior. Also, the Republicans are pretty lock-step these days, with very little meaningful deviation from the party line. Democrats are disorganized and self-hating. Clinton taught them that. If I think a Republican will lose anyway, I'll vote Green, even though I'm not thrilled at all with some of them.
This is an interesting point, especially since the Republicans in particular seem to think that anyone Bush appoints has a right to the office, and if Democrats question the nominee and exert their constitutional duty to approve or deny, they are being "political", which some how became a bad word.
Most other sports, the technological development is fairly slim. Sure, there's a different baseball now, I hear. Different padding for U.S. Football. However, fundamentally it's tactics that change. And one goal of promoting sports is physical fitness. What does one get with an FPS tournament? Better eye/hand coordination?
Out Executive Director (the Non-Profit equivalent of the CEO) brings his dog in, and the dog attends all our meetings, goes all over the office. My allergies have never been this bad. I get sinus infections all the time. Fortunately, I'm leaving soon.
What's going on?
When Win2K SP4 rolled out, our network provider decided to patch everyone's system at once. Almost every system in the agency went down. Turned out the for some reason SP4 was not compatible with our old network cards. We had to roll back the patch. On some systems, even that didn't work. We had to install new network cards. What I don't understand is if 10 year old DOS programs work, why my 4 year old network card didn't. I'm going to be very careful about allowing XPSP2 into our environment.
These are the top 500 that we know about. What do you bet the NSA (and whatever the Chinese and possibly the Russian equivalents are) has at least 1 that is faster than all of these?
If I had mod points, I'd mod you down. Every single time someone uses Ask Slashdot, there's at least one person who has the time to waste telling them they are being stupid. Most of them have the phrase "No offense" in there somewhere. If I do a Google search on something tech related, the best answers are usually in tech forums, not product web sites. That makes this a good place to ask. At very least, people can point out sites or forums where there's good information.
1) Did you notice how many people who had actual experience (including someone who works at Hammerhead Productions) chimed in to give advice. Therebye proving you dead wrong.
2) Did you notice that in almost every single Ask Slashdot there's one punk who asks "Why ask here? You're just wasting your time." If these people really hate Ask Slashdot, they should stop reading it.
If you weren't already moded 5, I'd mod you up. What I love are the "objective" ways to definitively answer a subjective question. This is a good case in point. The answer to the question uses a point system. But the point system is, of course, a subjective weight.
No, it's the twisting of facts that I disagree with, not "logical and objective observations." Since German Jews were not forced to leave, but only foriegn Jews. Take a look at the rest of benzapp's postings, especially the one where he says only hundreds of thousands of people wer killed in Nazi camps, and implies that it was only from bad conditions, not systematic murder. Of course, the majority of the 6,000,000 to 12,000,000 Jews murdered did come from other countries. That doesn't mean that German Jews didn't suffer and be killed in large numbers. Since you're obviously not invested in actual civilized discourse but rather in directly insulting and attacking people, I'm going to ignore you from now on.
Where I got that you're a holocaust denier was from the post where you wrote:
So, what were all those Jews doing from the time Hitler was elected in 1933 until the holocaust supposedly happened in 1943? Being worked to death? For a decade?When I asked you if you believed the holocaust took place, you didn't answer the question.
As for Paris:
http://search.eb.com/normandy/articles/Choltitz_Di etrich_von.html
http://www.fact-index.com/d/di/dietrich_von_cholti tz.html
http://www.historynet.com/wwii/blparissavior/
That was a quick 5 minute search. Since we're way off topic, and you are using typical trolls method of avoiding real conversation, (trying to constantly shift the discussion when challenged on a point) I'm going to end this discussion.Ah, you're a denier. You're deluded. I actually studied all this stuff academically, got my MA in Eastern European History. Visted the concentration camp sites. Read all the books that you probably think are propaganda. You're just a sad pathetic person trying to spread lies.