About Trolls and Flamers
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The Venture Cafe
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· Score: -1, Offtopic
Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox:
As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.
For what it's worth......
We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics:
They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior.
They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.
I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.
OK.
I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:
The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves.
Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how hard you try.
The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why they're here in the first place.
The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.
What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons.
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.
So.
They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that satisfaction.
They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them.
The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them.
And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.
Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:
DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.
Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.
About Trolls and Flamers
on
The Venture Cafe
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox:
As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.
For what it's worth......
We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics:
They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior.
They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.
I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.
OK.
I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:
The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves.
Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how hard you try.
The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why they're here in the first place.
The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.
What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons.
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.
So.
They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that satisfaction.
They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them.
The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them.
And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore her. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.
Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:
DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.
Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.
I'm on a spyware project team at a highly regarded internet company. We use spyware to track our customers habits to give them more relevant advertisements that we think they might be interested in.
Sure, I hate junk mail as much as the next man, but I would rather get junk mail that piques my interest instead of immediately turning me off. For example, we try to avoid having our customers who live in apartments get calls from people selling aluminum siding. (Okay, not really, but you get the idea).
My point is, if you're going to get the junk mail anyway, wouldn't you rather have it tailored to your interests? We occasionally do random telephone surveying of our customers to see if they've ever purchased products from our sponsors. Many have!! Some have even thanked us for the new information our sponsors have been giving them. Give spyware a chance, sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't though, as is probably the case with Kazaa.
I just tried going to your webpage. It doesn't work. Not suprising. Not suprising at all.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.....
Try going outside once in a while, you pale faced mofo. You'd be surprised that the vast majority of people in the world don't care about your 1000th post on Slashdot.
Fuck all y'all. CS majors basically fall into two categories:
1) Super scrawny and weak.
2) Super fat
Common characteristics include:
1) Mangy, unkempt hair
2) Body odor
3) Beady eyes and/or thick glasses
4) Pale skin
"Social" habits:
1) No real friends
2) Spend weekend nights playing Quake, coding, hacking, etc.
3) Visit lots of porn sites
4) Never had a date (reason for above) but acts like he's a god with women
The typical IT major:
1) Lazy
2) Doesn't know shit about computers or networking or really anything, but pretends to
3) Spends most of his time playing with Photoshop, Flash, and downloading warez
4) Often a drop-out of CS or other difficult major
As a US citizen, I think this tax could actually benefit US online retailors. How? For example, imagine I'm CEO of www.icebergs.com, selling affordable icebergs to people across the world. When Europeans have to start paying taxes for them, to remain competitive I can
1) reduce prices by 15-25%
2) start shipping by boat, for 2 month delivery time (but cheap!)
3) refuse to sell to Europe and refocus my advertising, efforts elsewhere like Japan and Australia
Choices 1 and 2 are probably not going to work. But 3 has a good chance of working. As long as I can convince people who might not have seen my product (icebergs) before to buy my product, I will maintain sales levels. And the Europeans will be scratching their heads wondering what happened. If you can't join 'em, beat em!
This just proves that Microsoft can separate IE from Windows. Sice all there components are modularized, all they need to do is take out the IE module right? No wonder M$ is scared!
I question how good the extrapolation is going to be. Their using 50 years of fit data to extrapolate 50 years into the future. Normally, I would think thhat you would need a much larger set of fit data to extrapolate out acurately. Why can't they go back to when acurate records of the climate started being made, like 200-300 years ago? Then the R^2 value of the fit would be higher and a more acurate model would result.
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Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox:
As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.
For what it's worth......
We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics:
They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior.
They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.
I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.
OK.
I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:
The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves.
Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how hard you try.
The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why they're here in the first place.
The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.
What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons.
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.
So.
They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that satisfaction.
They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them.
The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them.
And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.
Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:
DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.
Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.
Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox: As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season. For what it's worth...... We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics: They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior. They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves. I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue. OK. I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect: The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves. Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how hard you try. The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why they're here in the first place. The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them. What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons. That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior. In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach. Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice. So. They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that satisfaction. They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them. The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them. And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore her. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with. Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages: DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS. Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.
Wow! I bet they were using a pimped out dual G4 with a GeForce 4 video card. That baby that pump over 5 billion pixels per second.
I wonder why they are having problems with flicker at 24 fps? The GeForce 4 could easily do 48fps.
Macz Rule!!
Sure, I hate junk mail as much as the next man, but I would rather get junk mail that piques my interest instead of immediately turning me off. For example, we try to avoid having our customers who live in apartments get calls from people selling aluminum siding. (Okay, not really, but you get the idea).
My point is, if you're going to get the junk mail anyway, wouldn't you rather have it tailored to your interests? We occasionally do random telephone surveying of our customers to see if they've ever purchased products from our sponsors. Many have!! Some have even thanked us for the new information our sponsors have been giving them. Give spyware a chance, sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't though, as is probably the case with Kazaa.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.....
Try going outside once in a while, you pale faced mofo. You'd be surprised that the vast majority of people in the world don't care about your 1000th post on Slashdot.
1) Super scrawny and weak.
2) Super fat
Common characteristics include:
1) Mangy, unkempt hair
2) Body odor
3) Beady eyes and/or thick glasses
4) Pale skin
"Social" habits:
1) No real friends
2) Spend weekend nights playing Quake, coding, hacking, etc.
3) Visit lots of porn sites
4) Never had a date (reason for above) but acts like he's a god with women
The typical IT major: 1) Lazy
2) Doesn't know shit about computers or networking or really anything, but pretends to
3) Spends most of his time playing with Photoshop, Flash, and downloading warez
4) Often a drop-out of CS or other difficult major
Comments?
As a US citizen, I think this tax could actually benefit US online retailors. How? For example, imagine I'm CEO of www.icebergs.com, selling affordable icebergs to people across the world. When Europeans have to start paying taxes for them, to remain competitive I can 1) reduce prices by 15-25% 2) start shipping by boat, for 2 month delivery time (but cheap!) 3) refuse to sell to Europe and refocus my advertising, efforts elsewhere like Japan and Australia Choices 1 and 2 are probably not going to work. But 3 has a good chance of working. As long as I can convince people who might not have seen my product (icebergs) before to buy my product, I will maintain sales levels. And the Europeans will be scratching their heads wondering what happened. If you can't join 'em, beat em!
This just proves that Microsoft can separate IE from Windows. Sice all there components are modularized, all they need to do is take out the IE module right? No wonder M$ is scared!
I question how good the extrapolation is going to be. Their using 50 years of fit data to extrapolate 50 years into the future. Normally, I would think thhat you would need a much larger set of fit data to extrapolate out acurately. Why can't they go back to when acurate records of the climate started being made, like 200-300 years ago? Then the R^2 value of the fit would be higher and a more acurate model would result.