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3D Visualization Moves Forward

Chris writes "Showing for the first time at the Society for Information Display (SID) conference in Boston was a three-dimensional display with 100 million volume pixels or "voxels". The Perspecta is a hardware and software combination that projects 3D images inside a 500 mm transparent spherical dome. Images 250 mm in diameter can be seen from a full 360 degrees without goggles, allowing the viewer to walk around the image. It can be used to visualize protein structures and to plan surgical and radiation treatment by locating the exact position of a tumour on an x-ray or mammogram. It could also be used in air traffic control, prototype designing and security scanning of luggage. Perspecta uses Texas Instruments' digital light processor technology and a spinning projection screen, which sweeps the sphere." We've done some previous stories about this globe from Actuality Systems. The trend seems to be toward simulating 3D with high-resolution flat screens, though.

176 comments

  1. Do Your Own 3D Modelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://www.opendx.org

    Data Explorer. Formerly from IBM. Runs on Linux, and Windows.

    3D protein modelling for the rest of us with only flat-screen monitors.

  2. The hell with mammograms... by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

    I want a holodeck!

    1. Re:The hell with mammograms... by Nightpaw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Strangely enough, these aren't mutually exclusive; any holodeck that I use had better be able to model breasts in three dimensions.

    2. Re:The hell with mammograms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, I personally can't wait till the porn industry gets ahold of this technology.

  3. Sweeet by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now if only they can get it larger than a snow globe.

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    1. Re:Sweeet by governorx · · Score: 1

      Just goes to show the influence that sci-fi has on development of technology. I remember watching Star Wars a New Hope and having that deathstar model floating in mid-air and all the communications where done with a holo-projection like device. Too bad this isnt an open-device (its contained within a globe).

      I wonder who gets credit for this idea, especially since artists steal from each other.

      slaps you on the head with a smelly trout

    2. Re:Sweeet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's a mighty big snow globe: 500 mm = 50 cm = 19.6 inches.

    3. Re:Sweeet by UranusReallyHertz · · Score: 1

      Actually, you could remove the glass dome, but then you would have to be VERY careful not to get whacked by the screen spinning at 1440 RPM. Best to leave it on.

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  4. Another use... by Dick+Click · · Score: 5, Funny

    It can also be used to show to a group of people the design flaw in the Death Star.

    1. Re:Another use... by Canuckanuck · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that DLP is the technology in the projectors made by Christie Digital. These projectors are the ones used in select theatres across the world to show Episode 2 - AOTC in digital format. I've seen it. Quite nice.

    2. Re:Another use... by cnkeller · · Score: 2

      The DLP projectors are made by Texas Instruments. Link

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    3. Re:Another use... by salmo · · Score: 1

      I just can't wait till R2 can project my voicemail in stunning 3D. You know, for when you have that message that says "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

    4. Re:Another use... by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean like this?

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    5. Re:Another use... by bitrott · · Score: 1

      But how many Bothans will have to die before it's more than just vaporware?

    6. Re:Another use... by Tungursk · · Score: 0

      well, as far as i remember some games like RA2 uses voxels to diplay units, so that would be fun to play RTS games on such device.

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  5. Glasses suck by Jack+Greenbaum · · Score: 1
    The trend seems to be toward simulating 3D with high-resolution flat screens, though

    Displays that require the user to wear glasses aren't what I'd call and adequtes solution. There is a big difference between having to stand on one side of a flat 3D rendering and being able to walk around a real 3D image.

    1. Re:Glasses suck by kevinmik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Displays that require the user to wear glasses aren't what I'd call and adequtes solution

      I believe what he was refering to were the screens that actually create a 3d image without glasses. They're really impressive. They do this by having two hi res lcd's, one on top of the other, that have a slight offset in the image between the two. The top one is translucent and the difference in the two pictures creates the illusion of 3d without having to use glasses or anything. It's like you've got your own holographic monitor!

      I just can't wait until they come into my college budget price range (yeah, like that's gonna happen :)

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    2. Re:Glasses suck by sab39 · · Score: 2

      There's better than that...

      Autostereo displays

      I saw this 5 years ago, and it was extremely cool. They played a variant of Pong where the ball went in and out from the plane of the screen to a plane that appeared to be more or less level with the back of the monitor. They also used a cool 3D mouse so you could move your bat. It was totally realistic stereoscopic 3d without any goggles or anything.

      What you're describing sounds like you could render both the bats easily but you couldn't render the ball because it would be in-between the planes of the two LCDs. The autostereo system handles all intermediate distances just fine.

    3. Re:Glasses suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What you're describing sounds like you could render both the bats easily but you couldn't render the ball because it would be in-between the planes of the two LCDs.

      No, it could do that as well. Remember, you see two images: right eye and left eye. That's all you need. What it can't do that it sounds like your link describes is allow you to look around an object. What you described seemed to give multiple possible views, with a person directly in front seeing a different 3D scene than one off to one side. This only gives one, but it is in 3D.

    4. Re:Glasses suck by Jack+Greenbaum · · Score: 1
      kevinmik wrote:
      I believe what he was refering to were the screens that actually create a 3d image without glasses.
      From the link given in the slash post (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-922122.html)
      The setup uses the same principles as those employed by an old 3D movie theater, Bresnahan said. Indeed, the system comes complete with red-and-blue-lensed glasses.
      -- Jack
  6. pr0n by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    by locating the exact position of a tumour on an x-ray or mammogram.

    Porn is the killer app. First the next-generation Internet and now this.

  7. Volume Graphics Software by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 2

    Volume Graphics has some interesting software to go along with the kind of display hardware talked about in the article. With VGs stuff you can "capture" a three D displayed image based on voxels and slice-and-dice it...

  8. Why the FUCK is my karma DROPPING??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is my karma DROPPING!???!! I haven't even posted in like a year!! Oh well, fuck it. More incentive to NEVER post, as no one will bother reading a -1 post. Guess I can just continue to lurk instead of participating.

  9. Anyone got that cached? by lsoth · · Score: 1

    /.'d already! :(

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    1. Re:Anyone got that cached? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Anyone got that cached?"

      A copy of the article has not appeared here yet because it's Friday afternoon and all the karma whores are not on top of their game ;-)

  10. Gotta get that September 11th Hysteria in there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It could also be used in air traffic control, ... and security scanning of luggage."

    Yes, after September 11th, every new piece of technology will be evaluated solely upon the ability to thwart terrorists. Sorry, the perceived ability to thwart. We don't have to actually thwart, we just have to look like we are. Or might. Or could.

    This, of course, assumes that luggage scanners provide any 3-D data (answer: they don't), or that traffic control software provides any 3-D data (answer, it doesn't -- it does 2.5 dimensional data).

    So, yeah, it's kewl, but c'mon, let's be realistic. It could also be used as a heads-up display by fighter pilots engaged in close-quarters tactical engagements, and it could also be used by the new media for interpretation of spin control during White House briefings.

  11. Aaaaaand, why bother. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Interesting



    Ok, its cool and all.. yeah, being able to project something volumetrically, but is it really _useful_ ? I fail to see how paying $20,000 for a bleeding edge "display sphere" makes more sense than rendering something in stereo, and crossing your eyes, which most visualization packages are capable of doing nowadays anyway.

    Where I used to work, we had a number of visualization packages that allowed researchers to view molecules/proteins/DNA sequences in stereo. It was routine, and required no specialized hardware.. You just render two views of the same object, side by side on the screen, with one view taken slightly from the left or to the right of the other. You can manipulate them in realtime, in stereo. Doesnt require glasses.. Just have to cross your eyes. Hell, go visit my site, i've got a couple stereoscopic wallpapers up, and theres nothing stopping me from producing stereoscopic 3D animation in Blender.

    :)
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    1. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Riskable · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ahh, "cross your eyes". Therein lies the problem. You see, there are millions of people all over the world that don't see perfectly out of both eyes. I am one of these people (legally blind in one eye). To us, steroescopic images like the ones you describe will never be more than a blurred picture or static on the screen.

      Also, the angle of view on stereoscopic images is usually very limited. Technologies such as this get around that problem by projecting the image onto a curved surface which provides for more of a "true" 3d-look.

      The real benefit of technolgy such as this is that we're one step closer to the 3D "JAWS" shark that Marty McFly encounters in Back To The Future 2 =)

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    2. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you only see in mono, your current screen is as good as it gets for you and your complaint is what?

      Sorry man, some of us see fine and breakthroughs like this are good.

    3. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until I got Lasik, it wasn't possible for me to see any of those images. Glasses on or off, they would never converge for me.

    4. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by cheese_wallet · · Score: 2

      Ahh, "cross your eyes". Therein lies the problem. You see, there are millions of people all over the world that don't see perfectly out of both eyes. I am one of these people (legally blind in one eye). To us, steroescopic images like the ones you describe will never be more than a blurred picture or static on the screen.

      Dude, you can't see in 3D anyway...at least not through retinal disparity, so how would the sphere display help you out?

      There are only two cues the human brain has to perceive 3 dimensions. One is the relative size of an object, assuming you have some idea how big it should appear at a given distance--focusing your vision is a part of this aspect as well.

      The other is the slight difference in image perceived by each eye--called retinal disparity.

      If you are blind in one eye, you'll never have anything better for depth cues than the relative sizing deal.

      I don't see how this sphere would help you.

    5. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by sab39 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are only two cues the human brain has to perceive 3 dimensions. One is the relative size of an object, assuming you have some idea how big it should appear at a given distance--focusing your vision is a part of this aspect as well.

      The other is the slight difference in image perceived by each eye--called retinal disparity.


      Uh, no. There's (at least) one other:

      The way the view you're seeing changes as you move your head from side to side and/or up and down.

      I'm guessing, but I'd be surprised if this wasn't the reason why most basketball players seem to deliberately bend at the knee (moving their head up and down) before shooting a free throw. Stereoscopic vision doesn't help you perceive how far away a horizontal line is.

      For people blind in one eye, I imagine that moving the head becomes much more important as a depth cue. And this system provides that, where stereo images don't.

    6. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2

      Speak for yourself. My vision is hella messed up in my right eye and I can still see stereoscopic images....

      Of course, if you're totally blind in one eye than you can't see stereoscopic images, but if you're totally blind in both eyes you can't see any images, so we should stop developing all display technology.

      Tim

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    7. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Hear hear!

      I have an astigmatism in one eye, and even WITH my glasses/contacts, my right eye is severely dominant. Given that, anything that relies on stereo vision (3d movies, "hidden picture" posters and etc) are lost on me.

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    8. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by El_Smack · · Score: 1


      You also get a cue from the degree your eyes are crossed. If you are looking at something far away, your eyes are fairly parallel, close up they are "crossed". Your brain monitors the angle and it helps you guess distance.

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    9. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Riskable · · Score: 2

      I was going to mention this, but you beat me to it. The type of 3D that I see *IS* realative to movement. The easiest way to explain this to someone is to have them cover/close one eye and look at a photograph. Now keep both eyes open and look at the photograph again. It doesn't change your perception of the photograph because it's just a flat 2D image.

      However, if you were to cover one eye and look at a 3D object, you get a totally different sense of that object--despite the fact that you're not viewing it with retinal disparity. This is because of the movement of your head/body (no matter how still you think you can sit, you're still moving enough to give your eyes an image)

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    10. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Wraithlyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reading your comment made me wonder if when they were developing CRTs for computer displays, somebody said: "Aaaaaand, why bother developing this in the first place, when we can just display computer output on a line printer, without using any specialized hardware? I fail to see how spending $20,000 for a bleeding edge 'display screen' makes more sense than outputting to paper, which most packages are capable of doing nowadays anyway."

      I'm sorry, but I can't help but view this type of argument as anything other than anti-progressive and monumentally shortsighted. I for one (and I know I'm not alone) have never found the "cross-eyed" technique comfortable or intuitive, and even when it works, the resulting depth perception is nowhere near as good as looking at a real object. A true volumetric 3d display would drastically improve the user visualization experience. You want surgeons to rely on crossing their eyes to accurately perceive a high resolution model of your brain when performing surgery? Obviously, it's not as economical as using a stereogram, but it also won't cost $20K forever either. Does it "make more sense"??? In the long run, absolutely.

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    11. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 2

      If I cover one eye and look at an object it looks exactly the same, unless I cover my good right eye, then it is blurry. I can still sense 3d fine. I just reached and grabbed very small things with my finger and thumb at varying distances with no problem. However, I have NEVER seen a stereoscopic image. And believe me I've used the techniques everyone says. some people just can't see them.

    12. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by vrt3 · · Score: 3, Informative
      However, if you were to cover one eye and look at a 3D object, you get a totally different sense of that object

      To be honest, I don't. I get exactly the same sense whether I use one eye or both. Reason is that in most circumstances only one eye at a time is focused. My left eye is short sighted, while my right eye is far sighted. Very strange, and as an effect I'm bad at perceiving depth. Good enough for normal life; I have no problems driving a car, but it makes parking more difficult.

      I can see stereographic images, but it's very hard to get both of my eyes focused simultaneously (up to 1 m I can see sharp with both eyes, further away only with my right eye; depends on lighting conditions though, on a sunny day it's clearly better). Looking trough a binocular or stereomicroscope gives me full 3D view, since they allow me to adjust the focus separately for each eye.

      3D techniques that rely on both eyes getting a different image won't have much effect for me, unless the screen is in the range where both my eyes can adapt and focus enough. Or maybe I should get glasses.

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    13. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by syusuf · · Score: 1

      If we all had that attitude then we probably wouldnt have TV, or even the computers we are sitting in front of right now.

      I bet the viewers of the first TV sets, with their round screens and flickering display, thought the same thing.

      Most of the great technologies that we are using nowadays started off as expensive prototypes with poor performance. Look how far we've come tho.

    14. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe I should get glasses.

      Yeah, no shit dude.

    15. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by SageMadHatter · · Score: 1

      Because with the "display sphere" you'll be able to see all sides of an object. Unlike your "stereo" images, were you will only be able to see one face/side of an object.

    16. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know that was the first thing I thought when I read the article, was someone who lost vision in an eye, but then as I read it I realized that it's better than most 3D displays because you don't need special glasses. Wasn't the big point, the excitement, the breakthrough of the thing that you don't need special 3D glasses to view the image? So even with one eye you could see an object in the sphere, not depth but still...objects. It's still a pretty cool display.

    17. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't even need a 3d display for that.
      Just a motion sensor to deduce the viewpoint
      correctly for a 3d rendering projected onto
      the normal 2d display.

      And yes, I have used such a system.

    18. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he's saying technologies that rely on crossing your eyes are inferior to technologies that allow you to walk around a 3D display.

    19. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      no, the point is that the globe display is better than images.

      why should I have to adapt to technology by doing something fairly unnatural like crossing my eyes?

      the original skeptical poster seems to be more concerned with the expense than the benefit of the technology. Very in keeping with the times, and also very short-sighted.

    20. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2

      Heh... If you want stuff that's not "fairly unnatural", go live in a cave, gather berries, and hit the occasional lame antelope with a rock.

      Tim

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    21. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world is not for useless cripples like you. Your place on this planet became pointless the moment you lost your sight. I see no point in developing technology for the weak simply to make them feel normal even when it's clear that no matter how much we bend over to accommodate them they'll never be normal. With no fucking chance of being exceptional nor useful.

      You silly walleyed motherfucker, you can't even understand that the world isn't flat like a cartoon.

      Mujeeb C.O. Dupage

    22. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      nono, you've got it all wrong. we shouldn't have to adapt to technology, technology should make things easier for us. that was kazcinski's (sp) warning.

      it's not that hard to make the computer interface more seamless and natural.

      if you have to have greed in it somewhere to make you happy, think of how many more consumers you could sell computers to if the interface requires no training.

    23. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Jhan · · Score: 1

      However, if you were to cover one eye and look at a 3D object, you get a totally different sense of that object...

      Indeed. I used to play Quake like this all the time.

      Tape one eye shut, place your head about 1 foot from the screen (that's where the FPS's generally assume your viewpoint is, in order to show reasonable amounts of the scenario to the sides). Now play.

      Hey presto! Suddenly the graphics come to life and look like true 3d. Added bonuses are certain eye damage and looking like a retard.

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    24. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by esonik · · Score: 1

      You can judge the 3-dimensional form of things with one eye by moving your head or walking around it - which makes the discussed technology useful even for people that are blind on one eye.

    25. Re:Aaaaaand, why bother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So everything on TV looks 3D to you?

  12. 100,000,000 voxels: not as impressive as it sounds by segfaultdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that's a cube of 464*464*464 pixels. It's a great start, but i'd rather have a Radeon 7000 :)

  13. Used in security scanning of luggage? by Gannoc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I read that, and smelled something fishy. That was almost certainly some marketing moron's idea to mention, since I really doubt the company spent years to develop a hugely expensive three dimensional display in order to SCREEN LUGGAGE.

    I despise any company that twists the truth to take advantage of people's fears.

    1. Re:Used in security scanning of luggage? by Sanity · · Score: 2
      I read that, and smelled something fishy. That was almost certainly some marketing moron's idea to mention, since I really doubt the company spent years to develop a hugely expensive three dimensional display in order to SCREEN LUGGAGE.

      I despise any company that twists the truth to take advantage of people's fears. Pretty much everyone is doing it, it is the latest sales tactic for all sorts of things - most of which are completely unrelated to security. Suddenly a CRM package is being described as a way to "profile and track terrorists", a word processor becomes a "terrorist profile authoring device" etc etc.

      One of the amazing things about the US is how quickly good-taste goes out the window when it gets in the way of a sale.

    2. Re:Used in security scanning of luggage? by minusthink · · Score: 2

      it is A use. not THE use.

      nobody developed the computer so I could play solitaire.

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    3. Re:Used in security scanning of luggage? by njug · · Score: 1

      Dude. Suddenly, on September 12, a lot of different airports decided they would really like to be able to visualize the luggage that passed through their screening points better than the 12" black and white gave them. Actuality saw an opportunity to fit the niche. Are you saying it's in poor taste to sell a product you've developed to people that want to buy it?

      As it happens, there are relatively few places where this technology is particularly useful right now. Screening luggage happens to be one of them. Cut the guys some slack.

    4. Re:Used in security scanning of luggage? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      I would have preferred it if they'd mentioned the porn angle instead of the terrorist angle. I'm sure there's more money in the porn applications.

  14. "voxels". by SkulkCU · · Score: 1, Insightful


    In case you were wondering, the term for 'the need to create new words and catchphrases' is "stupid".

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    1. Re:"voxels". by Spamboi · · Score: 1
      You might want to do a quick google search before assuming that a term you've never head before was just made up by a marketroid.

      Andy

    2. Re:"voxels". by HeyBob! · · Score: 1

      the term voxel goes back many years:
      First mention in 1987 on Usenet
      http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=& as_drrb= b&q=voxel&btnG=Google+Search&as_mind=12&as_minm=5& as_miny=1981&as_maxd=24&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=1987

    3. Re:"voxels". by DataPath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the term voxel is hardly new. I recall reading about 3d projections and displays and them using the term "voxel" in association with them close to 12 years ago. And it's not any stupider than calling a 3d square a "cube."

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    4. Re:"voxels". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "Voxel" has been used for many years as the unit of 3d data obtained by MRI scanners.

    5. Re:"voxels". by MasteroftheVoxel · · Score: 1

      This term was not made up by marketing and was not made up yesterday. It refers to a "volumetric pixel" and has been around for more than 50 years!
      These days it is a very common term used in volumetric imaging. Too often people only talk about polygonal rendering, but visualizing clouds of points is very important in such fields as seismic and medical imaging.

    6. Re:"voxels". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the term for 'the need to create new words and catchphrases' is "stupid".

      haha who's the stupid one now?

    7. Re:"voxels". by SkulkCU · · Score: 2

      I'm just having 'fun with karma' :)

      It's amazing that the cap has really removed any incentive to post quality for me.

      I'm about an hour away from starting even more accounts, except I'm convinced that qualifies as some sort of illness.

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    8. Re:"voxels". by eyepeepackets · · Score: 1

      In addition to the comments above, you might also consider doing a quick study on how languages develop over time, especially English.

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    9. Re:"voxels". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC, voxel was introduced by Udupa in 1982.

  15. Uh hi.. yeah.. perspecta? by kwashiorkor · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Fortune Tellers Association of America called. They want their idea back. They're claiming "patent infringement" or some such.

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  16. pr0n by theEdgeSMAK · · Score: 1

    This could revolutionize the pr0n industry!! Just think of the implications... (and where you could zoom).

  17. w00t! by Aaron_Pike · · Score: 1

    Time to start investing in 3D pr0n companies!

  18. Ahhh yeah! by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 1

    Holodeck here we come!

    1. Re:Ahhh yeah! by KrancHammer · · Score: 1

      umm.. I think this tech needs a little developement before it's ready for use in holodecks. Something about a screen spinning at high RPM... "Activate Holodeck 4, Mr. Data.. and hit pureé"

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  19. Now geeks can share the interest by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 2

    It can be used to visualize protein structures and to plan surgical and radiation treatment by locating the exact position of a tumour on an x- ray or mammogram.

    Finally, something to get geeks interested in breasts.

    RMN
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    1. Re:Now geeks can share the interest by gazuga · · Score: 3, Funny

      Listen, I don't know what kind of guy you are, but I'm a geek and I'm *plenty* interested in breasts. The problem lies in finding someone who will let you be interested in theirs...

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    2. Re:Now geeks can share the interest by MayonakaHa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh we've always been interested in breasts.. only now they'll actually be in three dimensions!

    3. Re:Now geeks can share the interest by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 2

      You can be interested in anyone's breasts. It's one of the fundamental human rights, I think.

      RMN
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  20. Would you like to supersize that war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "War is harmful to children and other living things"

  21. curse of dimensionality... by aseen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    100 millions sounds big, but you have to take the cube-root of this to get the resolution in one axis - a whopping 465. In 2D, this is like a 465x465 display; not terribly exciting. This is the "curse of dimensionality" volume graphics needs to deal with.

    1. Re:curse of dimensionality... by Jeremy+Gallow · · Score: 0

      I don't understand...could you please give your figures in hexadecimal?

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      -- Hexadecimal.
  22. But... by mshiltonj · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Will it let you see the Death Star from the other side of Yavin befor Massassi gets within range?

  23. Finally! by NickRob · · Score: 1

    "The Perspecta is a hardware and software combination that projects 3D images inside a 500 mm transparent spherical dome."

    I was tired of being told that renderings were in 3d... yet projected onto a flat screen. Yes, you can rotate it around in your program, but when you put it on a flat screen, it's really not 3d, it just conveys the idea of being 3D.

    1. Re:Finally! by MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM · · Score: 0

      When you look through a window, ever noticed that it's flat. You can't even rotate the trees, what a rip off, eh? You could go outside and run around the tree, but then you would look like a jackass.

    2. Re:Finally! by helix400 · · Score: 1

      Nono, its true 3d. I saw an early prototype of it on the Discovery channel. Its hard to describe, but its sorta like how Disneyland makes their Haunted House ghosts appear 3d. They project images off a mirror and through a sheet of glass, and so it gives a true 3d effect where anybody can view an object from any angle all at the same time.

    3. Re:Finally! by MasteroftheVoxel · · Score: 1

      Um, did you look at their web page?
      It's at www.actuality-systems.com. It actually is
      in 3D -- the "flat" screen rotates and you see
      it as a real 3D image that actually occupies a volume.

    4. Re:Finally! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Um, did you read his post? You know, the one titled "Finally!" that says "I was tired of being told renderings were 3d"...

      He knows this is real 3d, and he's happy about it.

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    5. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if a jackass runs around a tree and no one is there to observe him, is he still a jackass?

  24. That would be 500x500x500 resolution by iamr00t · · Score: 1

    Not enough for ait traffic control imho.

    1. Re:That would be 500x500x500 resolution by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      And it took a while for 21" monitors, 80GB hard drives, etc... to get out there as well.

      It's a start.

      "The death star has cleared the planet"

  25. Did this about a year ago... by Uller-RM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did a contract coding job similar to this about two years ago - for an exhibit at a tech expo, we rigged up a pair of curved mirrors and a plexiglass semisphere with a hinged hatch. A projector shot a 1024x768 image through the pair of mirrors, producing an image that gave you roughly 270deg FOV horiz and 90deg vertical. Add a joystick and a rudimentary tunnel shooter... :)

    My part of it was hacking up the game engine (Virtools' kit) to render from two in-game viewpoints each frame and distorting the image in a third rendering pass so you'd get a correct image on the screen - lots of optimization, since we were rendering at that resolution two years ago when the Geforce2GTS and 1GHz P3s were the height of consumer technology. That, and some other blocks for the scripting language for level transfers and whatnot.

    (The engine used to be marketed under the name Nemo, now called just Virtools Dev. Not too impressive graphically by today's standards, but it has the most artist-friendly scripting system I've EVER seen. If they strapped a decent rendering tech onto it and some network code, they'd have an absolutely outstanding project on their hands.)

    1. Re:Did this about a year ago... by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Render from two in-game viewpoints each frame and distorting the image in a third rendering pass so you'd get a correct image on the screen

      As a coder, what did the third pass do?
    2. Re:Did this about a year ago... by Uller-RM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      After compositing the two camera images in the framebuffer, it did a read from the back buffer into main memory (specifically, into a block in the heap with buffer space above and below to get a power of 2), was uploaded back to the card as a OpenGL texture, and rendered bilinear across a precalculated set of vertices and UV coords (stored in vertex arrays and display lists). If we were running it on a Voodoo, I could have used Glide to do it all on the card, but this was right when they were ditching Glide, and the rendering engine didn't have a Glide plugin :-\

      I would have liked to work out an entirely 2D routine for doing it instead of having to do the texturing, but I was under a rather nasty timeframe to do it, and the example code we got from the inventor of the technique took some time to decipher. Why people insist on doing horrible pointer arithmetic instead of [] (which expands to *(x+i) in the preprocessor anyways), I'll never know.

      On a Geforce2GTS the fill rate and AGP2x limited us to about 20fps, but on an SGI NT workstation it absolutely FLEW since main memory and video memory were shared. Unfortunately, we had to do 10 kiosks with this, and the budget didn't allow getting an SGI for each one :-\

  26. A pair of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    could be just what we need to accurately simulate Pamela Anderson.

  27. Re:Nuked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell me, sir, "are you a terrorist ?"

  28. ATC by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

    I don't think this would work to well for ATC. You need to be able to see large amounts of infomation and viewing it in 3D would be more of a hinderance than a help. besides controllers viewalize it in there minds eye anyways. Not to mention they are a weird breed they hate change ... that why they haven't switched to QWERTY keyboards they still use some funky propritary setup (US).

  29. Re:Gotta get that September 11th Hysteria in there by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

    2.5 dimensional data? I thought 3D was X,Y,Z .. could be mistaken.

  30. Dragon's Lair! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    at last I can finish my Dragon's Lair cocktail cabinet! I will only charge 1,000 tokens per game, just like the original!

  31. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The resentment of orientalists like Bernard Lewis who wish to dismantle eastern culture ("We'll bring them Big Macs, coke, and democracy! Aren't we kind and generous?") has indeed made many Muslims anxious.

  32. Totally different technologies by SeanAhern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The trend seems to be toward simulating 3D with high-resolution flat screens, though.

    These are completely different technologies. The first is an "actual" 3D display. The voxels have a true location in 3D space, for instance. People can view it from any angle with no equipment.

    The second appears to be just a large screen. People wear shutter or polarized glasses to send different images to the left and right eyes.

    While the second techology is great, especially for high-resolution display to a single person, it really is annoying when used with multiple people with different locations in space.

    Since there is only one set (left and right) images on the flat screen, only one viewpoint can be chosen. If a group of people is sufficiently far from the screen, or sufficiently close together in the room, it's fine. But if you let the people wander around the room, you start getting perspective problems that really make collaborative viewing troublesome.

    I have a feeling that we will be seeing voxel-based visualization like the one mentioned in this post more and more often. It's just more natural to use.

    As someone who is in the field of high-resolution scientific visualization (that's me on the left), I certainly hope that technology will move in this direction.

  33. Now I know how we'll use all that bandwidth... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

    I really am amazed.

    Years ago I just didn't believe we'd really see volumetric 3D because the jump from (say) 640x480 to 640x480x480 just seemed too wide.

    If we can get a stationary image 400 x 400 x 400 image for $20,000, it doesn't seem all that much of a stretch to 400 x 400 x 400 x 30 frames per second... or from there to 1600 x 1600 x 1600 x 30 frames per second... or from there to 1600 x 1600 x 1600 x 30 frames per second for $200.

    And disk speeds and Internet speeds are coming along just fine...

    1. Re:Now I know how we'll use all that bandwidth... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      Umm... The leap you speak of is a considerable jump.
      400x400x400 stationary is 64 million voxels, no refresh requred. Seems simple enough
      400x400x400x30fps is 4.096 billion pixels per second. Already we've bypassed current COTS video (with mere 1-2 gigapixel refresh).
      With Moore's Corollary squared holding true for video cards (refresh rate doubles approx every 9 months) It will take us 9 months to reach that, still not too far off, March 2003.

      Now, for a stationary 1600x1600x1600 image we need 1.92 billion voxels, and for a 30fps image at that resolution we need 122.88 billion voxels per second.
      This is a jump of 2^6 from our present 2 gigapixel limit. This means, assuming the corollary to continue to hold true, that we wont have this technology for a (minimum) period of 4 and a half years.
      Thats still pretty damn fast considering how long it took to get a computer into everyones home, or the time it took to push us from 720x348 to 1920x1600, but it's still quite a ways off...
      After that they still have to drop it down to $200; I for one will not hold my breath.

    2. Re:Now I know how we'll use all that bandwidth... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

      I'm not going to try to hold my breath for 4-1/2 years (plus however long it takes to get the cost down by a factor of 100).

      Actually I expect it to take longer than you do.

      But I have a good chance of seeing it, not merely within my lifetime, but even before my retirement.

      Considering that I once doubted that I would ever even own my own computer, that's not too bad!

    3. Re:Now I know how we'll use all that bandwidth... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2

      Considering that I once doubted that I would ever even own my own computer, that's not too bad!

      Give it 20 years when you're getting your mandatory "Common Sense Implant". PC? You ain't seen nothing yet.

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  34. The website is slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  35. First MBI p0st! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Balls Itch!

  36. OT: breaking news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if this is offtopic, but I surfed the Google cache while using babelfish simultaneously for the first time. Is anyone else a babelfish-cache nonvirgin? OR am I the first. Ever?

  37. The real question here... by quakeroatz · · Score: 0

    Can you play quake on it?

  38. really? by ozzimark · · Score: 0

    my favorite quote - "This technology is inexpensive enough so that it could certainly end up in (company) labs, and it could get to the point in the future where it could end up in houses,"

    Now really, it could get to that point in the future... maybe 5 years... I don't intend on waiting because where the fuck are we going to put our round domes? Make a new room? I don't think so.

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  39. Projected 3D by ebresie · · Score: 1

    I am curious...does any kind of projected Visualization exists which does not require a sphere or sum such projection media?

    By these I mean...think R2D2's projection unit, the panels used in Final Fantasy: Spirit within, or based on the trailer, the computer screen used by Tom Cruise in Minority Report.

    I was thinking projectors exist, but it has to project on something. I was thinking maybe you could have something such as some kind of mist which is projected on. Is it possible when projecting from two locations to have a 3d pixel (I think the term is voxel but I'm not sure)?

    Just curious...any additional links to these types of technology (and any terms referring to them to know what to look for) are greatly appreciated.

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    1. Re:Projected 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is impossible to have light come from "nowhere" (empty space). Now, you are right in thinking that you can use a mist or other substance as the screen that you project your image on to.

      There are at least two companies doing this, both using a quantum phenomenum called 2 step up conversion. Basically, the principle is that you shine a laser that hits a molecule and the electrons jump up an energy level. Another laser of a different frequency hits the molecule again and the electron jumps to another level. When the electron drops back to its original state it emits visible light. The consequence of this is that a dot (a "voxel" - volumetric pixel) will show up only where the lasers cross. By moving the lasers around you can draw pictures in 3D space.

      One company called 3D Technology Labs (don't remember the link) does this with a tiny cube of glass that is doped with rare-earth elements. It is a vector scan display that requires two high powered infrared lasers.
      Another company is trying to do the same thing using rubidium vapor. These are still mostly in the research side of things as its hard to get materials that actually exhibit this 2 step up conversion phenomenum.

    2. Re:Projected 3D by DarkGamer · · Score: 1

      Damn it... Every time I come up with a good idea, someone else has already done it!

      I have been batting around something similar in my mind for a long time...

      Do you have any references or url's that we could peruse by chance?

    3. Re:Projected 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fascinating. Is this the company in question?

    4. Re:Projected 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice idea, but try using a couple or three beams of photons (light, whatever) to interact and produce "temporary" particles instead.

  40. Hardly hands on..? by reachinmark · · Score: 1
    As some people have tried to discuss already - there is a large percentage of the population that can't actually see stereo (I could be wrong, but I think it is somewhere up around 15%) for one reason or another. For some people, the brain just hasn't learnt how to spacialise the stereo images produced by the eyes.. for others, even minor damage to one eye can cause problems with stereo.

    But anyway, that is besides the point - I think technology like this is limited (with the exception of entertainment) unless you can get your hands into the 3D image and use it as if it were truly virtual reality. It is one thing to look at a 3D image of a brain tumour, but if you still have to use a 3D-mouse to manipulate it, then there is still an intuitive leap to be made when using applications written for the display - just like the intuitive leap between the 2D mouse and the 2D display. What this needs is to be combined with technology like Reachin [troll warning] where you can actually see the data in the same space where you hands are working on it. Much more appropriate :)

  41. Re:Gotta get that September 11th Hysteria in there by jx100 · · Score: 1

    2.5D is when one of the dimensions is limited from having a full range. X and Y could be given a full axis(any number from x to -x), but z is only top or bottom with nothing in between(or just a limited amount of layers, like 5).

  42. Voxels and games... by Romothecus · · Score: 1

    I'd like to point out that the space battles in the upcoming strategy game Master of Orion 3 will be rendered using voxels, according to posts made by the programmers in the discussion boards (which are too poorly organized to search through quickly, but the posts ARE there.) Hopefully, this will not cripple the game.

  43. Stealing in volume by Jeremy+Gallow · · Score: 0

    Now people will steal intellectual property and display it in these volume devices. Before any more work is done, it should be shown that this device cannot be used to pirate information. And if piracy is possible with the device, then all work on it should be halted immediately. Stealing is a crime, and new technology does not excuse it!

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  44. Re:100,000,000 voxels: not as impressive as it sou by MasteroftheVoxel · · Score: 1

    Actually, it isn't a cube of 464*464*464...

    Its a sphere with a radius of 768 pixels and
    198 slices.
    That means it is about 768*768*198.

  45. Report from the ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having seen the device in action, I want to correct a couple misconceptions I've seen in posts here.

    First, the plastic sphere isn't used in the projection in any way --- it's there to keep you from getting your fingers into the whirling mirror assembly. It's not a 2D trick or 2.5D or 3D limited angle --- it's points of luminescence in the air right at the X,Y,Z coordinates they're supposed to be.

    Second, it's not a still image: it updates at something like 12 fps --- they've got a little helicopter demo you can fly around a landscape with a joystick.

    Third, 3D vision isn't particularly dependent on stereo fusion. There is a large minority of people who cannot fuse stereo imagery, something on the order of 10%. There are, however, around 10 other ways to get 3D information out of a set of 2D images, including optical flow, shadow information, shape capture via surface reconstruction, "virtual stereo" via time difference or space difference, etc.

    Some of these
    can be done by single simple 2D images --- hence you can know about depth and shape in a photograph. But a key problem with a lot of the stereogram technology is that it often fails to address one or more of these channels of information, often because it addresses only stereo fusion, and not camera displacement.

    This toy does it all, because it's just putting dots in space, rather than doing any sort of techno trick. Damn, it's cool --- SID had nothing else that even came close.

  46. 3D Displays for 2D Data??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can be used to visualize protein structures and to plan surgical and radiation treatment by locating the exact position of a tumour on an x-ray or mammogram. Wouldn't this technology be more useful for displaying images acquired via 3D modalities, such as MR, CT, PET? Traditional radiographs don't contain 3D information.

    1. Re:3D Displays for 2D Data??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume they mean that those methods could be adapted for x-rays ans mammograms. A CT is, after all, one big spinning x-ray machine.

  47. I see probelms with the approach by inkfox · · Score: 2, Informative
    I missed the Actuality story. This was my take on that (also included below). It doesn't look like the new version is much of a jump forward...

    Now, niftyneat as it looks, I see a few problems...

    First and foremost, you're going to be stuck representing solid 1-color materials, wireframes and ghosts with this. You're also not going to be able to make objects appear to be lit correctly. Why? Because the display has no idea what angle you're viewing it from. I'll explain.

    Hold your thumb in front of the screen. It's blocking some part of the display, right? Move your head back and forth a little, and it will block different parts. Raise your head up a little or drop it down and it will block different parts again. The thing is, the display has no idea where you're looking from, so every part needs to be visible at all times. It can't clip out bits that are behind other things like a traditional 2D display. The result is that if you show a screen full of text, and draw a thumb in front, you still see the text through the thumb. Both will appear to act like ghosts.

    Now, consider drawing a Coke can with a flashlight shining on the side. Again, it has no idea which side you're viewing from, so it's got to draw all sides of the can. The thing is, as you move about it, the logo on the front of the can shouldn't be visible when looking at the back of the can. Similarly, when you look at the side opposite the flashlight, it should be all dark. But since the display uses volumetric texels, it has no idea about the facing of each texel. Every texel's going to be drawn, so a you'd see the backward logo when looking from the back, and you'd see what boils down to a really confusing lighting situation when viewing from the non-flashlight side. It's like ghosts or colored X-Rays.

    If you're still with me, that covers the reason for no shadows or non-uniform dull, not-too-shiny surfaces.

    Next problem is - it's gonna be SLOW! Sad, but true! If it were a 3D bitmap representing equal units of a cube, that would be one thing. Unfortunately, it represents slices of a bitmap rotating through space.

    Now, let me say this: Computers hate round things. Arcs, swooshes, ribbons, none of these are much fun for a computer to draw (comparatively speaking), much less, to render into.

    Normally, polygon raster operations boil down to setting up a bunch of lines, one per scanline, and for each, figuring out how you progress across the line in measured, discrete steps. "I'm starting here in the texture, and I'll be there in the texture. I need to get there in 32 screen pixels, and I advance n units through regular steps of screen, texel and 1/z space." This tells the computer do the expensive calculation once, and just do 32 iterative steps to render the 32 pixels on that scanline. Any modern 3D engine is actually optimized to do the expensive stuff 1-2 times, creating the per-scanline numbers iteratively as well.

    The only places where this approach doesn't work are where you're clipping against the edge of the display area. Clipped triangles are traditionally an order of magnitude more expensive to render than non-clipped ones. So much so, that terrible tricks are used to avoid them or reduce them to categories of special cases that can be tackled to attempt to avoid reverting to a true clip. For example, many display systems actually create waste RAM in a border around the screen. If a triangle doesn't penetrate the waste area, the rasterizer will go ahead and draw (or pretend to draw) the dummy pixels. It's only in the case where triangles are partly on screen, but go even beyond the dummy area that the hideously expensive render functions are called. Drawing millions of pixels per second that you know the user will never see? That sure points to a problem!

    Enter the circular slice-based display space.

    Here, for every single pixel, you've got to find which bits of a render go through. Essentially, you have to clip against the front and back of every single triangle you render as you calculate each slice. You're taking the worst hit on every single triangle!

    What's even worse is that a single 'frame' (half rotation, assuming the rotating display plane is visible from front and back) consists of just shy of 200 renders. This means you're taking that 1% worst case scenario and repeating it 100% of the time, and repeating it about 200 times per frame. And because you're dealing with an arc for the rotational advancement (remember, computers like even, linear, discrete steps), you're dealing with curved surfaces instead of little cubes and the planes of a view frustum. Essentially, you're looking for the union of an arbitrary material and a stuffed piece of macaroni instead of merely finding the portion that fits within a little box. This makes the checks for pixel penetration several orders of magnitude more expensive and makes it even more expensive to attempt to reuse data from one slice to the next.

    Hee. Plus the display is connected to your PC via SCSI2W, which is also a not-too-minor detail. You've got over 100 million pixels to send across per 'frame'. Even if they're just 1-byte pixels (256 color), and partial updates, that's asking a lot of a dual-channel 20MHz(?) bus.

    Mind, we're still discovering things today which would have sped up rendering on our Commodore 64s. The computational cost will come down over time as more ways are developed for rendering in non-uniform/curved space, and as different spatial representation methods are explored. This is a nifty advance, certainly a step closers than the silly lenticular lens based 3D systems and the layered LCD-over-CRT approaches.

    Still. Think of a ghosty AutoCAD on a 286. Look, but don't touch. We've still got a ways to go before 3D games and movies become a reality.

    But don't get me wrong: It's a neat advancement, and it gives me hope. If I could borrow one, I think I'd make a noisy whirring ghost town snow globe. The shape just begs for it. And I'd love to get cracking on trying to find efficient algorithms for the unusual render space. *sigh.* $60k though. Maybe eBay can help me out on this one in another 20 years.

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    1. Re:I see probelms with the approach by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Yeah. No 3D quake with this.

      I agree with the inability to draw non-ghosty objects, since it can't render an opaque voxel, and it can't not render voxels.

      But the performance part wouldn't be that bad. At least, not quite as bad as you suggest. I think. I'm guessing a lot.

      So, let's say you've rendered the scene as a 3d bitmap. If you can solve the storage and bandwidth issues, this is actually nice in a couple ways. Like you don't have to step through 1/z space, since your x and y aren't perspective-adjusted. You're rendering directly into view coordinates. The equations for the gradients are simpler. Okay, that isn't going to help too much, especially considering that you have to render every voxel.

      But one thing that should help is that you don't have to clip to a sphere, or cylinder, or anything abnormal like that. Use a cube. Render a nice 3-d cubic bitmap. Then, for each circle slice, you just have determine which voxels in the bitmap are covered in that slice. That's nice and linear. Your 2-D bounding box would be different on each slice as it tracked the vertical faces of the cube, but those values could be pre-calculated as they are static.

      So while it would certainly be bad, because you can't do any of the nice tricks to reduce the -amount- of rendering, the rendering itself would basically be comprised of the same-ol-stuff, just triangles clipped against 2-d surfaces. Bad, but a problem solveable merely through bandwidth.

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  48. Re:Gotta get that September 11th Hysteria in there by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

    Are you say that altitude isn't reported? because I know the data blocks contain the plains alt. As for the layers ... it depends on the system some area spaces aren't broken up (real low traffic) and all ATC is handled by one center. Others break it up so different centers control different layers. Like in the Northeast (US) there are many local center that control there own traffic like boston, JFK (its a little different there because they control the traffic for the all 3 airports in the area at one site). They only control trafic up to a certain altitude after that its taken over by the site in NH (enroute center).

    furthermore there are places in the world that have ATC systems and ARE below sea level :)

  49. how does the math work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    198 slices at 76 x 768 = 11,556,864 pixels
    am I missing something here?

  50. what I meant by "2.5 D" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean that the extra dimensional information is presented in such a way that the information is extraneous. The radar displays give excellent X/Y locations (lat/lon), but present the altitude as a number, or extra database information, next to the object.

    Example of 2-D, a square or circle. Example of 2.5-D, any cylinder. The length of the cylinder is the "half" dimension. Example of 3-D, a sphere. One of the criteria is if one dimension can be described through the use of a cross-section. The cross-sections on a cylinder are all identical going from one circular end to the other.

    The other example of 2.5-D is in maps, where the contour lines are presented, but in terms of X and Y coordinates.

    So, yes, the definition above you give is exactly correct. The values for X and Y along Z are identical for all values from 0 to Z. I was referring to Z value being largely irrelevant to the data presentation.

    The altitude of the plane is presented along with flight number, airspeed, heading -- as if these other bits of information were less important than X and Y. If the information isn't important, then don't include it. If it is, present it in a manner that is quickly, and obviously understood, like through the use of symbols, color, size, etc.

  51. Probably because you never moderate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You lose points if you don't use up your Moderation points.

    And you lose points if you meta-moderate.

    Unless you got bitch-slapped by Malda & Company.

    1. Re:Probably because you never moderate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      karma is so cool I wish I had more karma than my measly 7 points but I guess it is my fate that my comments will be mostly ignored and not replied to or judged worthy of moderation. Damn, my fate sucks.

  52. old technology by Bob+Kronkel · · Score: 0

    these things were invented a long, long time ago. In a galaxy far away. Yeah.

    1. Re:old technology by DJPsychoChild · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're somewhat right. I remember a time not so long ago (OK, ten years ago...) where a video arcade in my city had a game that used the same concept: use 3D so that the different players (4 back then) would each see a different thing. They used live-action footage, shot from multiple angles, and a (for the time) strong computer to combine the information, and display it within a 3D half-sphere. The only problems with it was the game was $5.00 a shot, the controls were muddier than my bathroom, a full game (if you were good) lasted a few minutes max, and the plot sucked major ass.

      The biggest problem with this isn't making it work, since it has before, it's making software that doesn't suck! Can anyone imagine using Windows3D, and getting the blue screen of death from all angles? I suppose Micro$oft would be happy because all of our software would instantly become (more?) useless.

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  53. Awesome by Jagermeister_Please · · Score: 0

    Wow! I bet they were using a pimped out dual G4 with a GeForce 4 video card. That baby that pump over 5 billion pixels per second.

    I wonder why they are having problems with flicker at 24 fps? The GeForce 4 could easily do 48fps.

    Macz Rule!!

  54. The Killer App by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    Internet pr0n will never be the same again.

  55. how useful is 464^3? by mysticbob · · Score: 2

    since this is spinning, it's not going to be 464^3, but more like refresh_hz*x*y of screen. but, in either case, 100e6 is not so many voxels these days. a more 'reasonable' case might be in the neighborhood of an order of magnitude more - but still hardly enough to do very good aircraft separation, etc. i mean, sure, it's nice and everything, it's 3d, no glasses, etc. but it's not super high res, though 100 million sure sounds like a lot. plus i'll bet that whirring noise thing gets to you like a dentist drill after a while.

  56. topic title change by mysticbob · · Score: 2

    given the way this thing works, shouldn't the title be:

    Science: 3D Visualization Moves In Circles

    ;P

  57. Transparancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if you can project an opaque image with this thing? I imagine that everything will have a great deal of transparancy. That might get old after a while. I suppose that being able to move your head around the 'object' will help.

    I'd still love to play around with one. Now where did I leave that $20000.

  58. Yep I do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with this post!

    -the AC assfuxx0r

  59. Re:Nuked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, how is this a troll? It's both accurate and insightful. What makes the Pakistanis and Indians any less "civilized" than the Americans? Quite the contrary. India was founded by means of peaceful resistance, not by war and bloodshed.

  60. There is also goggle-less flatscreen 3D! by jeroenvw · · Score: 1

    Since there is only one set (left and right) images on the flat screen, only one viewpoint can be chosen.

    I know that at least at Phillips Research Eindhoven they are working on flatscreen displays, which do not have the disadvantages you mention. They can be viewed by multiple people simultanously without a problem, and without goggles.

    The technique is actually quite simple: take a high-res flatscreen, and stick a prisma sheet over it, so that depending on the angle you look at the screen, you will see another pixel.

    At the lab they did have a prototype (1600x1200 as I recall) with 9 distinct views on it (thus reducing the apparrent resolution to 533x400). Really cool to see 3D on a flat(!)screen, without goggles.

    Those 9 views were actually all horizonally distinct, otherwise the effect wouldn't be really well visible. So it doesn't work when you keep your head rotated, or move your head up&down.

    (no link, sorry, they are not public about it. I saw it almost a year ago now, guess they must have improved since then)

    1. Re:There is also goggle-less flatscreen 3D! by SeanAhern · · Score: 2

      Interesting.

      Obviously, a lot more than 9 distinct views would be nice, but even something as low as 25 would probably be useful.

      If they engineer in the ability to move up and down, this would start being a serious contender.

  61. Flat screens -vs- this thing by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    The difference is one is simulated 3d, the other is really 3d.

    You can't change perspective on the flatscreen.. not like a hologram. What you see is what you see, until the software changes it.

    You can't peek around something or shift your point of view by just moving.

    This globe thing, you can look at, walk around, see things as if they were a solid image. Just like a hologram (but with a 360 degree fov of course)

  62. Man, this is supposed to be cutting edge? by Second_Derivative · · Score: 1

    I saw something smaller but essentially much the same when I was in RUSSIA for heavens sake ;) it just showed a spinning globe with some text orbiting around it but it still looked very neat.

  63. SWEET!! by edrugtrader · · Score: 2

    so when do i get to visit the holodeck?!

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    1. Re:SWEET!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no kidding, if you make one big enough, what is preventing you from going inside it?

    2. Re:SWEET!! by DanCo · · Score: 1

      The spinning display panel, for one...

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  64. Re:Nuked by blue+trane · · Score: 1

    "You're either with the US or against the US"

  65. Re:You're almost right. But not quite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the crack about the big mac really touched a nerve, didn't it?

  66. Want one? $27500 by kutulu42 · · Score: 1

    A somewhat older rig for 3D visualization can be bought at Uncle Ira's Moser Electronics site, under the "Exotic Hardware" section.

  67. Re:Nuked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that is the kind of argument that should get "-5 Trollest".

  68. CaveUT... even better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out what this guy did. Unreal Tournament, a few PCs and projectors, and you got el cheapo 3D visualization.

  69. NOT 3D PROJECTION /.-ing for venture capital.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not 3d projection technology (where the light physically radiates from the point in space where it appears to be). They have just figured out a way to multiplex an insane number of 2d images onto a transparent spherical screen so that you don't have to use shutter glasses to view the left/right image. Each eye automatically gets the correct angle's image, and lots of people can gather around the $20k snowglobe at once and view. The tech unfortunately requires the simultaneous rendering of 100X more images at a time vs. the more popular wall or room based systems where you just draw one image for each eye and track the position of the user's head to determine the correct perspective.

    This might make a cool museum piece if they can build a 10 foot version, pre-render high quality scenes and find a way to stream 100 or more svga video feeds to their hardware simultaneously. Due to their design, the image quality of their real time display is locked at 1/100th of whatever the current state of the art is for flat screen stereoscopic displays.

    Maybe after another 15-20 years of Moore's law, they might have enough bandwidth and GPU power to make something useful to air traffic controllers and millitary commanders. It will need to be a heck of a lot bigger though. This tech is useless to anyone that doesn't have to gather AROUND the display.

    Seems like this story should have been in a banner advert....

    Stuart Kahler
    slashdot@skcards.com

  70. Points to be considered... (no pun intended there) by concepthouse · · Score: 1

    I've read the posts to this thread and wanted to try and clear up a couple of things.

    1. This is NOT a two-dimensional display. It creates images that are as "real" as any other object, although made of light (think "Death Star attack briefing" here).

    2. This means, that you can perceive the dimensionality (is that a word?) of the displayed objects even if you are blind in one eye, are color-blind, have only one leg, don't like cats, etc.

    3. No glasses or other viewing "helpers" are needed. Watch the screen, Luke...

    4. This object works much like a traditional big-screen projecttion television...only the screen is rotating around the centerpoint of the globe at a considerable speed. The speed is fast enough that your eyes can't really see the screen, but can see the projected images.

    5. This is NOT a new concept. The new thing about it is that it is the LARGEST commercially one available to date (large as far as resolution). I've personally seen versions of this display that are about 3 feet (~1 meter) around that use a matrix of LEDs on a rotating board. Same effect, really....older technology....not as good as this one. Here's one of the google returns for this design. Another design that has had a good amount of research is to create images using lasers shot onto a spinning helix or screw shape.

    6. So far, resolution is the biggest hurdle. Next is refresh rate (it is, quite obviously tied to the rotation speed and to the speed and falloff of the light emmiting device (LED, Laser, phosphor, etc).

    6. It really is amazing to see it in person. Don't knock it. It will be in more wide-spread use in the near future and will be a huge leap forward for certain tasks. Most people will never see one (except maybe in a science museum) and will never need to use one, though.

    7. Using a wireless network, now you too can forward a holographic message from Obi-wan to the Senate! heh.

  71. Re:Nuked by blue+trane · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm against the US. But (unfortunately?) I'm a non-violent person. I suppose they could still get me for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or being a fellow-traveler...

  72. Better Watch out! by twakar · · Score: 1

    If this technology uses analogue to digital converters, it's already dead because of course any life saving surgery can't be performed because the visualization of the organ in question is most certainly copyrighted.

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  73. NOVALOGIC has patent already by sat985 · · Score: 1

    novalogic the game maker already patented the use of 'voxels' persay. actualy they have multiple patents on it last i heard. wonder if they'll sue. they actualy were designing games for the military based off of delta force

  74. Resolution by ZigMonty · · Score: 2

    Everyone keeps saying that its resolution is about 464*464*464. It's not. Check the specs. It's 768*768 by 198 sections. The section facing you will have a resolution of 768*768, which isn't that bad. The four bit colour is a bit crap though. I look forward to watching where this tech goes. Looks cool.

  75. The important question by DJ-Dodger · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but when can I get it as a Winamp Plugin?

  76. This is how we actually do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello -

    Regarding some of your comments...

    1 - Rasterization in the coordinate space used by the 3D display is indeed nontrivial; our firm has done considerable research in that area & have developed efficient algorithms for that process.

    2 - We don't send 100 Mvoxels over the SCSI connection. Rather, we send (basically) OpenGL information. Unless, of course, we're viewing volume data, like MR and CT scans.

    See you,
    Gregg Favalora, CTO
    Actuality Systems

  77. Actually, it IS 3D, and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stuart -

    Just thought I'd jump in here. I'm one of the founders of the company.

    The 3D display does not work in the manner you suggest. No imagery is projected onto the inside of the sphere. Rather, we project cross-sections of a 3D dataset onto a rotating projection screen. Each and every voxel exists at the (x,y,z) coordinate that you perceive it to be at.

    The resolution is 768 x 768 x 198 because we project 198 cross-sections of the 3D data, at a resolution of 768 x 768 per slice.

    -Gregg Favalora
    Actuality Systems, Inc.

  78. Crystal Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see a propeller clock that uses fiber optics.