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More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware

Vertigo01 writes: "There is an interesting article from CNN.com on the current state of the Kazaa controversy, and Brilliant Digital's plans for the future. Interesting quotes from the article include a statement saying that 'Altnet's seeded software [will be] awakened some time in May' and that 'Brilliant is negotiating with music labels and movie studios to market their material as well. The files will be copy-protected in some way, using Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology.'"

220 comments

  1. Cancerware Ascendant by ringbarer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine the fun the likes of Brilliant Digital could have when the courts force Microsoft to release their full APIs. Whole new ways to sneak their filthy cancerware onto our machines.

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  2. Kazaa lite! by JustinMWard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just get Kazaa Lite and stop worrying about all this.

    Where to get Kazaa Lite? Well, on Kazaa, of course.. or you could be a weenie and go to their web page.

    1. Re:Kazaa lite! by JPriest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not just Kazaa but others are availible or linked from CleanClients.tk

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    2. Re:Kazaa lite! by hagardtroll · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      We are the Borg. You have been assimilated.

    3. Re:Kazaa lite! by tomatobasil · · Score: 1

      If only the Bearshare people would or could fix whatever causes their program to leave dozens and dozens of sockets open forever, Kazaa would would just fade away all by itself . Ah well .

    4. Re:Kazaa lite! by stnnn · · Score: 1

      In fact, even with kazaalite, this stuff gets its way to your computer. I installed it, ran ad-aware and found it was clean ... Only a few days later, I noticed my IE was behaving differently, showing me popup ads on sites I knew didn't have any, so I reran ad-aware and found out that somehow, the spyware could be installed on my box. That day, I removed kazaa for good. Now I use audiogalaxy satellite because even though it does have some spyware too, if you remove it, it still works, which is not the case with kazaa

    5. Re:Kazaa lite! by Jenova · · Score: 1

      Did you put this in your host file:
      127.0.0.1 www.brilliantdigital.com
      127.0.0.1 desktop.kazaa.com
      127.0.0.1 shop.kazaa.com

      Things could get delivered into your system since kazaalite uses a built in IE browser...

    6. Re:Kazaa lite! by travdaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a) Just get Kazaa Lite. I agree.
      b) Stop worrying about this. I disagree.

      What we're seeing here is the most popular spyware on the internet today. So, this Kazaa controversy is going to set a precedent for future programs. Do we want programs to legally be able to run spyware on our computers or not? I vote "No," but some might vote "Yes" or "Only if it tells me about it clearly and I have to Opt-In." Your vote seems to be "I don't care."

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    7. Re:Kazaa lite! by hottoh · · Score: 1

      You will get 'page can not be displayed,' if you do what you see above. Which is very cool, because you will no longer get the crap they will try to send your way.

      Also 0.0.0.0 may be the better address to use. I use a personal proxy, and the loop back is its address.

      0.0.0.0 doubleclick.net
      0.0.0.0 m.doubleclick.net
      0.0.0.0 x10.com

      Criminal is releaseing a browser that allows this behaviour to be as default.

    8. Re:Kazaa lite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, better yet, don't use Kazaa at all. Remember, they still use those central encryption servers to block out unofficial clients. If those are shut down, nobody gets on.

  3. They want to use it for "legitimate" downloads? by iainl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I reading that all wrong, or do they seriously want to piggyback a legal filesharing scheme on the back of Kazaa? I can almost see the argument of saying "Don't trust that file you've just found? Why not fork out for the real version?", but on the other hand, are the RIAA going to come within a nautical mile of something that also does illegal filesharing.

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    1. Re:They want to use it for "legitimate" downloads? by irony+nazi · · Score: 2, Troll
      Aagh! The irony nazi's summary of the current state of affairs:

      1. Stealing MP3s is illegal. Somebody will post an intelligently worded comment that will be modded to +5 based upon this premise. Most of the other comments that point this out will be modded -1 Troll.

      2. RIAA Screws over artists and consumers. Like we didn't know this already. </sarcasm>

      3. Kazaa is a file sharing network, even if it is a *spyware* file sharing network. If the RIAA feels it can make more money without the Kazaa Spynet, then it won't negotiate with Kazaa. Plain and simple. If the RIAA geniuses have an idea that they think will make bigger $$$ then they will do it. They will then sue Kazaa who needs illegal MP3s to make their network popular, yet will be sued if they use them. (napster all over again).

      4. RIAA will come out with their own draconian file format and continue to blame illegal file sharing whenever the consumer chooses getting more *value* for their money (via trading MP3s) as opposed to getting less *value* for more money (restricted and encrypted non-MP3 formats). Personally, I blame capitalism for this consumer decision, not file sharing. I feel that I have a right, as a consumer, to choose the file format, distribution technique, and amount that I pay. Although this argument shouldn't be used to justify illegal copying of music, in a sense, one can assign a $$ value for breaking the law. I would surely pay a small amount of money for music just to know that I wasn't doing anything illegal. I would place even more value (i.e. pay more) if I knew that the artist was getting a significant portion of what I was paying.

      A long time ago (~1996), I said that the recording industry will never be able to do away with an open audio format (at least as open as MP3 is). The reason why is because they will have to offer something with much more *percieved* value than what I can download for free and play on any music device. No more $14 CDs (a new CD was $14 at the time).

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    2. Re:They want to use it for "legitimate" downloads? by sluggie · · Score: 2

      Hmm...

      1.:
      true

      2.:
      true

      3.:
      Kazaa *IS* legal. They won in court. That's it.

      4.:
      I like the first part, but I don't think that the RIAA wants to go deeper into this "strange-new-internet-thing". They'll just sue away as much as they can...

      Somehow the RIAA reminds of my old 3DFX Voodoo5 graphics card. It was nothing fancy, but brute force acceleration, like the RIAA has nothing but brute force sueing.
      Well 3DFX died out...

    3. Re:They want to use it for "legitimate" downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      argggg, the riaa does *not* screw the artists, thats the job of the bigger-then-the-empire-state-building labels they represent!(they do most defnantly not represent smaller labels, they cant affort the fees)

      These five are the ones screwing artist, they own the copyrights to the recordings, they pay the production cost, they pay the artist they cant afford to lose everything they ask for(bling,bling), they pay the whats left to the rest of their artist after managment and their marketing contractors have had their cut ofcourse. They rather "invest" in martketing the playbacking "teenager" + drumcomputer of the month which they think is attractive for a broad audiance (ie everythng age the statistis the riaa collects for them they would know its the male,age >30 people who buy records, and they like "real" music ;-)

  4. I am stunned by GnomeKing · · Score: 1

    that kazaa is moving ahead with these plans
    I am sure that they know how bad PR it is

    Just checking, I use kazaa lite - is that part of this altnet network?
    I hope not :)

    I'm really getting fed up of companies not treating us like human beings - but just doing everything they can to squeeze every last bit of profit out of us
    Whatever happened to common decency in this world...

    1. Re:I am stunned by jukal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which part stuns you? They have found a potential source of income. People don't care. They'll install anything on their machine. In their privacy statement they clearly state that they collect any information they can, and use much of that information any way they want. In their resource usage page they say that they also can steal 10% of your CPU power.

      They have said it all loud and clear, and if you install the software, you practically give them the right to use your computer and information gathered for anything they want. No-one has to install this piece of software, it's your own choice.

      Sometime someone said, "think before you type"... you should also "think before you download".

    2. Re:I am stunned by benjymous · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I understand, the altnet stuff comes (will come?) piggybacked on the "b3d projector" advert program that the KaZaA installer automatically installs for you (without prompting if this is ok). You can see it briefly at the end of the installer when it pops up its own installation window in the top left of the screen for about half a second.

      KaZaA lite doesn't install this (but it'll still be there if you haven't fully purged an old version of KaZaA from your system. Get adaware for that)

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    3. Re:I am stunned by hagardtroll · · Score: 1

      "Consumers are the lifeblood of our company," she adds. "We will not do anything to hurt our relationship with them."

      They already did.

    4. Re:I am stunned by siasl33 · · Score: 0

      Because we are no longer "human beings", we are "consumers". Didn't you listen to your President after the 9/11 attack. "Don't let this effect your life. Spend what you planned to spend. Do what you planned".....

    5. Re:I am stunned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Common decency? For thieves? Why? Despite all the hue and cry about legitimate uses, the bulk of peer to peer filesharing is trading stolen files. Music, software, whatever.

      When you run with the pack, expect to be hunted...

      (No, I don't condone the spyware that Kazaa and/or Brilliant surrepticiously put on computers...however the whining about things like decency and so on when the original software's primary users are, in essence stealing copyrighted material, is just too ridiculous to ignore).

    6. Re:I am stunned by psychofox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, what is says is when you are acting a super node, up to 10% of your CPU may be used by virtue of the fact that you are acting as a search engine type host for many of the nodes connected to you...

      It does not imply that they can take 10% of your CPU and then use it to crack encryption codes or whatever...

    7. Re:I am stunned by jukal · · Score: 1

      >It does not imply that they can take 10% of your CPU and then use it to crack encryption codes or whatever...

      Actually, what is "cracking encryption using brute force" ? It IS a search engine. You are just searching for the correct key, from for example 2^56 alternatives. What is Kazaa then? You are just searching for the correct piece of pirated data, from for example 2^56 alternatives :)

    8. Re:I am stunned by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Rather like the new MS licenses, isn't it. I'm a bit surprised that someone beat MS to the draw on this one, but not that it happened. There have been too many signs pointing in this direction. I expect the next few years to be quite "exciting". I really doubt that MS and Brilliant are the only ones with this kind of intent and talent, and even after being explicitly warned about dangers the "wise decision makers" go ahead and install anything they want. They just won't believe that the EULAs mean what they say.

      That I do was the impetus behind my original switch to Linux. And it's one of the reasons that it is impossible, literally, for MS software to be good enough to be acceptable. They could have DWIM software, and it still wouldn't be good enough. Not with those licenses.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    9. Re:I am stunned by DaBunny · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oh My God! File-sharing software is going to use my computer resources to share files?!

      Look, many users (myself included) were pretty upset to find that Kazaa was installing a 3rd party software that would use my computers resources for their own purposes. But no one should be surprised that their computer (inclduing up to 10% of CPU power) will be used for the software's express purpose.

      And if you don't want your machine to function as a super-node, they say:
      If you do not want to serve as a SuperNode go to Tools->Options->Advanced and check Do not function as a SuperNode

    10. Re:I am stunned by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

      HiThere wrote:

      > Rather like the new MS licenses, isn't it. I'm a bit surprised that
      > someone beat MS to the draw on this one, but not that it happened.

      Believe me, Microsoft beat them to it long ago. They started their Millenium research project (now marketed as .Net) in 1996:

      http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1999 /0 3-01mill.asp

      It made an appearance (in evil alien / giant monster form) in Toho's "Godzilla 2000 Millenium". The americanized version "Godzilla 2000" was made by people who thought the Millenium reference was to the year 2000 or to the Y2K bug, and chopped it off as old news. A shame really, considering how spooky the scene was when all the computers hacked into by the alien began displaying the words "Millenium", "Kingdom", etc. Fortunately they left in the cool scene where the alien attempts to literally embrace and extend Godzilla. The Mac loving, Microsoft hating Monster King charges down his throat and lets loose with one heck of a thermonuclear explosion that finishes Millenium for good.

      > I really doubt that MS and Brilliant are the only ones with this kind of
      > intent and talent,

      Once Microsoft gathers up all the Windows computers in the world into its .Net; there won't be any for other schemes to gobble up. They will have to swim in Microsoft's sea.

      > and even after being explicitly warned about dangers the "wise
      > decision makers" go ahead and install anything they want. They just
      > won't believe that the EULAs mean what they say.

      I believe Microsoft's EULAs for XP have a clause that allows Microsoft to upgrade whatever they want. That's enough for them to put Millenium on someone's computer without the owner's sayso.

      Mind you, I don't think Microsoft will win. Their Millenium (thousand year rule) can be stopped:

      1) .Net requires always on, affordable broadband internet access for everyone everywhere. Do you really see that happening anytime soon?

      2) X-box was supposed to be the home Millenium terminal. How is it supposed to do that when it can't even grab a monopoly in the video game industry?

      3) There are two camps that can act to stop Millenium: one is Godzilla's beloved Macs, the other is the group of open source OSes lead by Linux. Of course, they would have to avoid catching Mono, which leads to a terminal case of Millenium.

      4) When have you known Microsoft not to bungle something someway or another? ;)

      "It'll soak up every last bit of data." Miasaka, Godzilla 2000 Millenium
      Mothra's 40th anniversary in America is in two days.
      She has graciously allowed Godzilla to share sig space because she believes this is important.

    11. Re:I am stunned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jokes are usually meant to be funny.

    12. Re:I am stunned by jukal · · Score: 1

      It was not a joke.

  5. Microsoft's DRM? by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, there's nothing to worry about then, is there? Given Microsoft's track record with "copy protection" and "product activation" technologies the patch will be widely available before the official launch date anyway. ;)

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    1. Re:Microsoft's DRM? by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft's DRM V2 has already been reverse engineered and an exploit published. If they base this on DRM V2, then it shouldn't be a problem to tackle the specific case of an implementation by Kazaa.

    2. Re:Microsoft's DRM? by blowdart · · Score: 2

      That exploit was fixed 2 weeks after freeme appeared

  6. Interesting quote... by GnomeKing · · Score: 3, Interesting
    During the KaZaA client update, users will be able to opt out of the Altnet service, the spokesperson says

    So maybe they did listen to everyone after all? I await to see what "warnings" are given and how easy the opt out is...

    Thinking of this - I have a question
    How does altnet know what is "unused" in bandwidth terms?
    as far as I was aware there was no prioritising in the windows tcp/ip stack where by one application does not get any bandwidth while others wish to use it
    That would imply to me that they will just use ANY bandwidth they can - not just "un-used bandwidth"...
  7. Nothing to see here... by sluggie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... just go ahead, get kazaalite (http://www.kazaalite.com/) and start sharing.

    I don't care in which way they will copyright their material.
    Let's just enjoy it as long as it lasts, we can move over to gnutella anytime we want. Since kazaa, etc are aware of this fact they will go on like they do now (not suing kazaalite) as long as possible...

    To cut a long story short: Don't freak out when someone points out a problem we already have the solution for.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here... by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      You are right, when Morpheus was excluded, all Fast-trek users lost out because of the reduction of d/l material and sources.

  8. Spyware is bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    considering the fact that most people use kazaa to illegally download music, which does (!) harm musicians, using your spare CPU-cycles and bandwidth to pay these guys isn't even that ridiculous.

    1. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by drsoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      considering the fact that most people use kazaa to illegally download music, which does (!) harm musicians, using your spare CPU-cycles and bandwidth to pay these guys isn't even that ridiculous.

      Thinking that ANY of the money raised through these trojans will go into the hands of musicians is ridiculous thinking on your part. It will either go to bolster "Brilliant's" income or go into the RIAA anti-piracy coffers. The day people turn over and decide that letting someone install a trojan onto their system in return for using a supposedly legitimate piece of software is the day we should just pull the plug. The Internet is broken. Kick the commercial noobs off.

    2. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Informative

      My spare cpu cycles and bandwidth are being used to cure cancer, which I think is a slightly better use of it than for some dipshit's piggyback trojan.

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    3. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by 1+(smarterThanYou) · · Score: 1

      Obviously posted anonymously because he or she is too much of a coward to stand up for what they believe in. If that person actually believes that, then that is fine. Not only was it proven before the RIAA did their "study," but it was proven again when another study was done independantly from the RIAA and its wealth of money. People who love music share files "illegally." Those same people discover new music that isn't mainstream and go purchase it. I support artists. I also download music. I just don't support middlemen posing as corporate executives who reap the benefits of some musician's work, i.e. MusicNet, where artists get a whopping quarter of a cent per downloaded song, while I'm sure music industry execs pull in X times more than that. It's outrageous.

    4. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Yep, I see it as you can give $1000 to man running the homeless shelter, or you can give $10 to each person there. The guy running the place will tell you he knows how to make better use of it, but it probably won't benefit those who need it as much as giving it to them directly did. I'd much rather pay the artist directly than someone else. You would think that artists wouldn't have to rely so much on labels and whatnot to get publicized so well today.

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    5. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by doofusclam · · Score: 1

      That's a silly analogy. If you give the homeless $10 each, they'll obviously spend it on booze and fags.

      I see your point though.

      seany

    6. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Peyna · · Score: 2

      okay, so I give them each $10 in foodstamps then.

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    7. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by GungaDan · · Score: 3, Informative
      Or, on the cynical view, your spare CPU cycles are being used by some other faceless corporation to make money in a different field (i.e., medical research). Given that this is the field I work in, I feel comforable in asserting that "curing cancer" is the last thing on the pharmco investors' Borg-like mind. Finding new treatments... that's where the money is. Find the cure and the revenue stream dries up. This is the problem with research now being undertaken mostly by those with a stake in seeing that it never fully succeeds.

      Anyway, I've drifted way offtopic here with my personal biases. The long story short part is that you shouldn't assume any more pure motive on the part of the people sucking your spare bandwidth "to cure cancer" than the people parasitically draining Kazaa users' bandwidth "to make money." The latter may just be more honest.

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    8. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so then they sell the foodstamps so they can turn around and buy $5 worth of booze and fags

    9. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Do you know any professional musicians? Of the few that I've known who have toured for $$ they all agree on certain points: 1) There is _LITTLE_ money to be made except for a top pop few. Seriously folks, minimum wage is about right. 2) There are other fun perks (women, parties, fans, performing, etc) 3) It's actually hard work and mostly unglamorous To your point that file sharing hurts musicians, the only way to really make money is to tour. If you want to help a band, buy an official T-shirt. If they are small enough to be making the CDs themselves then sure, buy one. However if they have a record contract, download the music, mention them to your friends, and buy the shirt or other merchandise.

    10. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by doofusclam · · Score: 1

      So they swap them outside the store for $5 of booze...

      I'm only jesting but, seriously, it's actually best to give it to *local* homeless charities, like one of those halfway houses or it'll get p*ssed up the wall.

      I wouldn't give anything to a national charity after I used to get on the bus with a guy here (Cheltenham, UK) who worked for a phone marketing company. He handled projects for large UK charities and they just took 40% off whatever was pledged over the phone. If some old lady made a large donation, they used to celebrate in the pub. Disgusting.

      seany.

    11. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Time is sometimes better to give than money. Volunteer with your time and posessions instead of your wallet.

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    12. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by 198348726583297634 · · Score: 1

      Kick the commercial noobs off.

      Maybe they just figured out to play the system better than anyone else - and we all suffer from collective jealousy that we didn't think of it first ;)

    13. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might have heard this a thousand times, but it's worth stressing: p2p-sharing of music does NOT harm musicians. It can sometimes harm the music industry, and this does of course reflect back upon musicians sometimes... but then again, most of the times, it does not.

      P2p does, however, help us distribute our music and acts as free commercials. People discover new bands through Napster and Kazaa almost as much as they do through MTV...

    14. Re:Spyware is bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you already have money, time is more valuable than money.

  9. RE: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    With all the communist lunix types here, why is everyone pimping Kazaa Lite? Should't you be ofering me "the way in" to Gnutella???

    Does not KL only run under windows?

  10. Interesting... by gmanske · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A few weeks after Altnet's launch, Brilliant plans to introduce an Altnet "rewards program," enticing customers to swap PC bandwidth and hard drive space for points that can be redeemed by e-merchant partners, Bermeister says. If you agree to let Altnet's partners download to your hard drive multimedia-rich advertisements for later playback, you can earn points redeemable at e-merchants toward purchases.

    I found this interesting, although not surprising... If companies such as Brilliant and Sharman Networks were to release 'clean' versions of their products, and they were totally upfront in an easy to read EULA (who reads those anyway right?), would you use it? Would you swap bandwidth and disk for the privilege?

    Furthermore, would the 'average' person? Spyware, what's that? etc...

    1. Re:Interesting... by gclef · · Score: 2

      Sure, I would....but I'm just dying with curiousity to see if I can replace the files/ads they send me with my own versions, so I'm probably not the type of person they want "volunteering."

    2. Re:Interesting... by gmanske · · Score: 1
      Like the next comment says, a lot of their userbase generally know but don't care about the spyware.

      They're still getting their content, and some of them couldn't care less.

    3. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're basically trying to introduce a new "E-money", with "workers" on one end, loaning their HD space, processor time and bandwidth in exchange for "e-money", and dot-coms on the other end, selling things for "e-money".

      Well, how great and generous it is on their behalf ! What a philanthropic move !

      Somebody shoot me.

      This is clearly an attempt at taking over electronic commerce everywhere. They'll not only stop when all companies doing business on the Internet and all Internet users pay the Brilliant Tax on everything digital, but they're also saying they'll add means to enforce copyrights.

      And the worst about that ? The spyware installs silently, so they can count on a huge user-base that doesn't get "paid" with their virtual money. If anything could surprise me anymore, I'd call this enslavement, but I may be far too cynical already...

      Ah well, maybe they'll just release an OpenSource version of their software and not take any percentage on every electronic transactions, but I'd find this quite surprising coming from spyware-makers.

    4. Re:Interesting... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Redeemable "points" have been used by conventional marketers in the past, as an inducement to use whatever. In some cases, like airline frequent flyer miles, they work out well for the consumer. In other cases (I've personally seen this several times with long distance "points"), the points miraculously disappear from the system every time you get enough to redeem them against merchandise. Or the partnership with the retailer periodically dissolves so the points become worthless.

      So don't count on redeemable "points" as being worth a red cent.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    5. Re:Interesting... by 0xA · · Score: 2

      Interesting antecdote that I can't really attribute to anyone in particular:

      When the Airmailes company in Canada decided to go public they almost pulled out of the deal at the last minute. Why? They were afraid that when the public was able to see how many "Miles" they wrote off after expiration and how much money it made them there would be a huge backlash.

      Airmiles sin't just good marketing, it's a freakin goldmine.

    6. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I *would* swap bandwith and processing power and a certain amount of HDD space (predefined, say 10 MB) when I wasn't using the computer, in exchange for 1/2 that amount additional power when I was using my computer.

      If, for example, someone provided a subsitute MS Windows library that incorporated internet multiprocessing, and thus made my computer 2x or 3x as powerful [calculation intensive routines
      performed offboard] then I'd be more than happy to do the exchange. Especially if I could build up
      points and redeem them or sell them at will.

      I don't think I'd let advertisers pay me to view their ads, since that uses up my time [as opposed to my computer's time.]

    7. Re:Interesting... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Yep, I don't doubt it. Let 'em buy lots of copies of mille bourne ;)

      I know 3rd party flyer miles in the U.S. are often not worth much due to short expirations. Better chance to use them with those that apply to airlines like Alaska or Delta, who are a bit more customer-service oriented.

      Personally I consider "points" valueless, because they never seem to be redeemable for anything I'd want, or the shipping charge is more than the item is worth.

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    8. Re:Interesting... by jo42 · · Score: 1
      There was a short blurb on the news the other night that something like $500,000,000 US worth of air miles is never used.

      Me smells a business in this somewhere...

      - You have paid for a total of 0 pages and so far 80786 have been used up (80686 today).

  11. Why shouldn't they? by Mattygfunk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The way I see it their userbase, which is growing at a huge rate, generally know that they have spyware and dont care. Sure now there is two of the spyware programs big deal. They were already giving that information to one, no big deal from the users POV.

    They won't realise that their bandwidth and disk space is eaten away slightly, they wont care when they do cos they're still getting free music. It is far too hard for the average user to install a new sharing program let alone find the name and site of one. "It's all too hard and this program works and im confortable with it."


    Anyway if they are using Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology then I look forward to having a look at what they send.

    1. Re:Why shouldn't they? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Anyway if they are using Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology then I look forward to having a look at what they send.

      Obviously they are going to regularly scan your hard drives for copyright violations and send the reports to the RIAA and MPAA. Perhaps they'll add auto-cease & desist and auto-court-summons functionality also. Integrate with PayPal, and get an auto-out-of-court-settlement service. Repeat and get pay-per-play.

  12. Corporate bandwidth, yum by upside · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The best targets for Altnet are those corporate PCs left on overnight to suck in those MP3s etc. On that kind of bandwith you won't notice. They prolly couldn't care less about 56kers, though they are the ones that suffer.

    Then again, perhaps it only activates when there are no other applications using the network.

    XP has QoS enabled by default, though, right? It can be installed on w2k too.

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    I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
    1. Re:Corporate bandwidth, yum by benjymous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd imagine the worst hit will be those who pay per the megabyte for their bandwidth. I'm guessing that the altnet client will install itself to run in the background all the time even when KaZaA isn't open, meaning if someone leaves their PC on all the time, without KaZaA running, they may suddenly be faced with a big bandwidth bill thanks to altnet using all of their "free" bandwidth

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      Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
    2. Re:Corporate bandwidth, yum by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      Not to bash the stupid people of the world, but if you're paying for bandwidth by the mb, wouldn't you be best off not using kazaa in the first place? I'm not sure what the rates are like but it seems that would be a rather frivolous use of by-the-byte bandwidth.

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      do not read this line twice.
  13. How to remove kazaa spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can I remove that fu****g spyware?
    Ad-aware doesnt find it..

    1. Re:How to remove kazaa spyware by benjymous · · Score: 3, Informative

      You need to download refupdate which will download the latest adaware datafiles for you. It's good practice to run this at least once a week to keep the datafiles up to date (and run adaware straight after, of course)

      --
      Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
  14. Sounds like 'Terminator 2' by kubrick · · Score: 3, Funny

    'Altnet's seeded software [will be] awakened some time in May'

    Skynet 5 years late? :)

    Once we have networks acting independently of the owners of the machines, what's to stop someone putting in a bit of self-preservation and random activity into the distributed processes...???

    --
    deus does not exist but if he does
  15. Scum by Dynamoo · · Score: 1
    Just shows how low some people will go to try an get a profit. Just lowlife scum basically.

    Sounds like another job for AdAware!

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    Never email donotemail@WeAreSpammers.com
    1. Re:Scum by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      Adaware doesn't replace the CD_CLNT.DLL file that is installed by Kazaa, you have to pick it up from somewhere else. You also need to install an alternate hosts file defining a number of sites to point to 127.0.0.1 to ensure that BDE is not reloaded.

    2. Re:Scum by Dynamoo · · Score: 1

      Ouch! Nasty! As I said, these people are lowlife scum who deserve to meet an unfortunate end in a dark alley.

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      Never email donotemail@WeAreSpammers.com
  16. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Gnutella didn't suck goats, yea, I would supporting it. More then half the time the download I request dosn't go through. Whats up with that?

  17. copyright is incompatible with copy protection... by Kindaian · · Score: 1

    If you check the legal bases for copyright, you will see that it is granted by the public representatives as a trade-off for the "trouble" of publishing the works.

    Never forget that IT IS A GRANT type of right and, that the work is in the public domain after the grant elapse.

    If the work is published in a crypted form (whatever the mean), they are forfeiting the "public domain" part of the grant and thrus are forbiding it.

    Of course, they aren't strictly forbiden to crypt the content. BUT THEY ARE OBLIGED to publish the algoritms and the keys of it before it is published (as one can't assume that the publishers will survive until the end of the grant to "free" the content to the public domain).

    Cheers...

  18. Brilliant, Microsoft and the RIAA by javilon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like all the rats are getting together... Only senator Hollings is missing.

    --


    When his defense asked, "Which computer has Jon Johansen trespassed upon?" the answer was: "His own."
    1. Re:Brilliant, Microsoft and the RIAA by Cheap+Imitation · · Score: 1
      "Only senator Hollings is missing."

      No, unfortunately, he's NOT missing. We know right where he's at...in his office, writing bad legislation.

  19. Possibly one good thing... by mshiltonj · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Within weeks, KaZaA users will see the premiere of ads offering Altnet audio and video content for sale. The selection will appear alongside -- but distinguishable from -- KaZaA content on the KaZaA Media Desktop

    I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

    If there were a way to discern reliable, high-bandwidth servers with complete files from Joe's Dorm computer, that would be a big plus.

    It would be nice to have cheap (read: free) and possibly unreliable sources for experimenting and sampling things, and also in the same interface, be able download (and even pay! I would!) a batch of songs by a particular artist quickly and reliably.

    I don't use Kazaa. AudioGalaxy doesn't seem to work for me on RH7. Gnutella is the only P2P I've used recently, and it can be frustrating when you want *this* song right *now* and you can't connect to a hit.

    I can tell you I'd happily pay 25-50 cents a song for the LOTR soundtrack. Prolly the Spider-Man soundtrack, although I haven't heard it yet, but it is by Danny Elfman. I'd have to hear a few tracks first.

    $5 for a modern CD is wonderful. $18 for a modern CD is a joke -- especially paying $18 for a disc that only has two or three good songs.

    Other things I'd pay (and have, and will) for:
    Flesh Field
    Faith And The Muse
    KMFDM

    I'm actually going to buy a Flesh Field disc this weekend. I'm paying cold,hard Visa for a a disc. I discovered Flesh Field while listening to Digital Gunfire. Great music to code do. (A fan plug. I don't know them.)

    Yes, that's me. I use Gnutella, I listen to Internet Radio, and I buy music.

    1. Re:Possibly one good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, Flesh Field. Nice sounding stuff. Thanks for posting that.

  20. Harm? by Kindaian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    File sharing doens't mandatorially damages the authors nor anyone.
    Don't mix correlation with causation please. I'm as most tired of having that kind of "trues" thrown at my ears.
    And you can't prove that all downloads from kazaa are illegal (i could download a music of which i own the cd. under the fair use and format shift resolutions, it is legal for me to do it - at least in US - other countries may have legislative environments to the contrary).
    I'm perfectly aware that the majority of the kazaa users use it illegally, but there are legal uses of it as well, they aren't just the "mainstream"
    On the other hand, a download isn't mandatory to mean a cd that isn't brougt (even if some would like to make that relation).
    Most people will use kazaa to download music to preview it before buying it. It more pratical then go to the disco and preview the cd there. There are more offer for preview.
    Those that like the music and that can aford it, will eventually start to buy the new found authors music (another falacy is that everyone that downloads music can afford it and thrus represents a forfeit cd sell).
    But i digress... Mayhappen some should go to economic universities and study macro-economy... Mayhappen they start to understand what a market is!

    Cheers...

    P.S.- And... what on the hell has spyware to do with "harm musicians"?

    1. Re:Harm? by Lexical_Scope · · Score: 1

      I don't think there is any doubt that illegal download and sharing of copyrighted material lowers the revenue of any royalty holders. That said, the idea that file-sharing software that actually monitors your downloads and makes UNREQUESTED CHANGES to your PC configuration is surely a far more important issue.

      Where do we draw the line? Maybe Micro$oft could release a virus that checks for illegal copies of MS products on people's machines and trashes the users hard-drives if pirated software is found...maybe even sends some heavies round to discuss the finer points of free enterprise with the owners kneecaps!

      I think legislation might be needed to lay down rules of exactly what can and can't be done to a client PC without user knowledge and permission.

    2. Re:Harm? by kwik_mart · · Score: 1

      considering the fact that most people use kazaa to illegally download music, which does (!) harm musicians, using your spare CPU-cycles and bandwidth to pay these guys isn't even that ridiculous.
      You basically just confirmed the above with your post. By saying that legal uses of KaZaA aren't the mainstream you concede that most people who use this p2p network do it to trade copyrighted music, warez, etc. There are legitimate uses for this type of filesharing, but the general public could care less about that. Whether we care or not, the more people that download the music for free, the less people will be going out and buying it.
      It isn't so unbelievable that a company that would help facilitate people stealing and trading copyrighted material would also turn around and screw over the users of their software by sneaking in a bunch of extra nonsense. Despite what this software *could* be used for, we all know what it *is* being used for 90% of the time.
      Draw your own conclusions about whether sharing and stealing music and software is wrong. I'm not really against it, as I use it when it suits me as well. This was all really just to say that there was nothing wrong with that original post: stealing music "harms" musicians, or takes some money away from them, anyway (whether they need it or not), and no company is going help people do this without seizing an opportunity to make some more profit for themselves.
      In short, you seemed to be arguing against this, but I didn't really see you make a point, or at the very least, prove it. Yeah, filesharing doesn't necessarily hurt the authors, but more often than not it either takes money away from them or even gives their product away to someone who might never have spent moeny on it in the first place. Either way that's stealing, and I know that if I could just burn a cd whose content i downloaded for free, i certainly wouldn't want to go out and spend $20 just to get the real copy of it. This is, of course, what most people do as well.

    3. Re:Harm? by CantGetAUserName · · Score: 1

      Your first point - I doubt it. The assertion has been made by the MPAA and the RIAA but never actually substantiated: there have been other factors. For instance, recent CD sales decreases could be to the recent economic downturn, or to the fact that prices have increased in real terms - there is a close correlation between the price rises and the sales downturns. On the other hand, a couple of authors who have 'open sourced' their works (I'm unaware if the works were released under a GPL-style licence, hence the quotes) have found a distinct increase in their royalty payments. This has been attributed to a greater willingness to try new works due to the cost, a fraction of which will then go out and buy. The author (no link, sorry) gave figures showing a close correlation between the availability of old texts and the increases in payments, which normally fall off sharply after 12 months.

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      Semper en excreta sumus solum profundum
  21. Infocalypse Now by ringbarer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a generic moderator-on-crack appears to believe wholeheartedly that the juxtaposition of this news article and a previous one is 'Offtopic', I feel it best to explain a potential 'Nightmare Scenario' on the horizon...

    Assumption One: Cancerware authors are amoral miscreants. Given the track record of the likes of Brilliant Digital, we can safely say that this is a given.

    Assumption Two: One of the biggest advantages of a modularised Windows OS appears to be the ability to switch out the insecure MSHTML renderer as used in Internet Explorer to replace with Gecko and their ilk. Forcing Microsoft to publish the full API would enable a seamless changeover between rendering engines.

    Let's follow this closely. The rendering engine runs as locally executed code, which brings with it additional security issues. I imagine, when push comes to shove, there will be plenty of Microsoft oriented warning messages along the lines of "It may be dangerous to change your rendering engine!" should a user want to make the switch.

    However, fully expect the AOL / Netscape hegemony to complain loudly to the courts that this is FUD, and that it is PERFECTLY safe to switch to Gecko without notifying the user short of a generic EULA type click-through. Microsoft, having received a battering from all corners, will be forced to comply and take the warning out.

    Which brings us back to Assumption One - Cancerware. Cancerware authors are forever looking for increasingly sneaky and devious ways to install their filthy code onto previously stable computers.

    So, take one 'killer app', currently a P2P client, but who knows what the next one will be. Add a clause during installation that some vague 'browser enhancement' software will be installed as a requirement of the killer app. Many people will click through without reading, or just think "Enhancement - Cool!" and let it install.

    What does this browser enhancement do? It acts as a fully functional replacement for the MSHTML module. Thanks to the efforts of Microsoft's competitors, it will install seamlessly, running code with local privledges.

    What can it do? Anything that cancerware does already. Spying, gathering important data like CC numbers, taking control of your machine, uber DDoS, etc. etc. The possibilities rest purely with the devious malevolence of the author. It will, of course, be auto-updating, so even if it's caught out initially as being just another Purple Ape, it can download enhancements to itself to get past most security problems.

    Remember that NO-ONE in the hacking community knew about Brilliant Digital's plans until they made their press releases. Sleeper cancerware, ready to awaken when the stars are right. As MSHTML is part of the Operating System now, for good or ill, it will be loaded on startup, even if the user doesn't open a browser.

    But won't this be noticed by firewall software? Well, assuming consumer-grade firewalls work like Zonealarm, then no. Zonealarm checks for EXE files attempting to access parts of the net that they shouldn't be. But of course, Internet Explorer, being the most common Internet application, will be allowed through. The .exe itself hasn't changed, just a shared library that the exe uses.

    And of course, the only way to uninstall this version of MSHTML would be to delete it, thus breaking anything that wants to use it. Like, err, everything!

    Regardless of any non-Microsoft eliteness, the fact remains that Windows is the most popular PC Operating System for now, and shall be for a long time. This scenario outlined above is one of many potential fallabilities. I can assure you that minds far more devious than my own are concocting their own plans.

    Cancerware is nothing more than barely-legitimized cracking. It seems that replacing "3133t hax0r sp33k" with the terse pseudo-legalese wording of EULAs makes this all acceptable. It isn't. And the sooner more people realise this, the better.

    Of course, any company releasing something like this shall eventually become a target for the authorities. But the arrest of the author of the Melissa Virus didn't magically undo all the damage it caused, right?

    --
    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
    1. Re:Infocalypse Now by Genom · · Score: 2

      This definitely would get a +1 Interesting were I a mod this week.

      The good thing (tm) would be that eradicating the MSHTML-replacement-malware would be fairly straightforward - just go grab Gecko and plug THAT in instead. For the paranoid, construct a script to load on startup that verifies the integrity of the Gecko files and their status as the MSHTML-replacement - and fixes things, if necessary.

      Of course, other "piggy-back" components couldn't be eradicated this way - but that's what Ad-Aware is there for.

      As long as there's a way to get new software onto the system, the creeps making this malware will continue to do it. The question is - how long until someone in the gov't gets smacked by one of these, leaks sensitive information as a result, and brings the law crashing down on malware in the name of "National Security"?

      Of course, there's the other way it could swing too...with malware-authors using some kind of legal argument against anti-malware programs like Ad-Aware...I wouldn't put it past them to call it a "Circumvention Device" or somesuch under the DMCA, and attempt to have it banned, although I can't see anything short of a huge bribe convincing any reasonable judge of the validity of such an argument.

    2. Re:Infocalypse Now by Asprin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course, there's the other way it could swing too...with malware-authors using some kind of legal argument against anti-malware programs like Ad-Aware...I wouldn't put it past them to call it a "Circumvention Device" or somesuch under the DMCA, and attempt to have it banned, although I can't see anything short of a huge bribe convincing any reasonable judge of the validity of such an argument.

      How close are we, for that matter, to some of these bozos putting a line in their EULA stating "you may not uninstall this software or reformat your HD" and sealing the uninstaller with a DMCA-enforcable mechanism, so that the software can't be uninstalled w/o violating the DMCA?

      --
      "Lawyers are for sucks."
      - Doug McKenzie
    3. Re:Infocalypse Now by panda · · Score: 2

      When you don't have the source code, and when you can't understand the source code that you do have, you live at the mercy of the vendor. Those are just the added risks that you run with binary software.

      --
      Just be sure to wear the gold uniform when you beam down -- you know what happens when you wear the red one.
    4. Re:Infocalypse Now by pmancini · · Score: 2

      Now that is a frightening concept. It is amazing how with a properly written EULA, a deceptive mechanism to get people to "accept" it and the DCMA you could really threaten a lot of civil liberties.

      --Peter

  22. Why Debian people won't install Windows XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apt-cache show winxp
    W: Unable to locate package winxp
    $ apt-cache show windows
    W: Unable to locate package windows
    $ apt-cache show windows_xp
    W: Unable to locate package windows_xp
    $ apt-cache show windows xp
    W: Unable to locate package windows
    W: Unable to locate package xp
    $ apt-cache show WinXP
    W: Unable to locate package WinXP
    $ apt-cache search windows xp | grep window
    xpm2wico - an xpm to windows .ico converter

  23. Altnet... a hackers paradise. by jeeves99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have an encrypted file that you need decrypted? Not a problem at all... hack into altnet and have 10 million unsuspecting users brute force the password for you! woo hoo! :-)

    Have a website that you just abhor? Again, not a problem... piggypack a little DDOS app into altnet and watch the fun. And you thought the slashdot effect was bad!!

    I seriously distrust the security for altnet. They claim its 100% secure, but I'm not buying it. Hell, microsoft says their products are secure!

    1. Re:Altnet... a hackers paradise. by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1

      Surely to be 100% secure means not connected to the internet, the hard drives erased, the hard drives melted down, and the whole lot buried in an unmarked landfill site at an undisclosed location.

    2. Re:Altnet... a hackers paradise. by morie · · Score: 1

      that would be 99.999999 % secure. to reach 100% you have to take a boat out afterwards, sink it, kill yourself in the water and be eaten by sharks, without anybody finding out about all that either.

      --
      Sig (appended to the end of comments I post, 54 chars)
    3. Re:Altnet... a hackers paradise. by Noobie · · Score: 1

      There are still GPS and satellites.. So go boldy where no one has gone before! (here I mean space of course..)

  24. gift.sourceforge.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you haven't already checked out giFT check it out. It is an open source fast track network implmentation. It is no longer able to connect to the Kazaa network because they changed their protocol to come encrypted stuff, but it still rocks.

    Yes it is still under heavy development, and last I checked you still had to grab the code out of CVS.

    Their network needs a lot of users to test the software etc... go head and grab that source!

  25. This sounds so familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Consumers have nothing to fear," says Brilliant Digital's Bermeister.


    Using The Fish I was able to find two separate translations:



    one: "All your base are belong to us!"
    two: "Resistance is futile!"

    This means something, I just know it.

    1. Re:This sounds so familiar... by azimir · · Score: 1
      My initial reaction to this:
      "Consumers have nothing to fear," says Brilliant Digital's Bermeister.
      Was:
      "Trust the Computer. The computer is your friend."
    2. Re:This sounds so familiar... by alexburke · · Score: 2

      one: "All your base are belong to us!"

      Seeing as Brilliant Digital will be storing content on people's machines, don't you mean "All your disk are belong to us"?

      (Sorry.)

  26. In principle its not bad... by Bakajin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing, and by only, I don't mean it is not a biggie. In fact it is huge! But the only thing they did wrong in my opinion is not be up front with people. Spy-ware, ad-ware, and whatever you want to call this (bandwith-ware?) are all resonable ways for free software to make money IFF they are completely and clearly up front about how, what, why, and when they are doing. Not just at the beginning, but for as long as they are doing it. I have no problem with that.

  27. Future apps will have this as standard... by n4zgl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    remember when you thought the idea of *them* being able to track your every purchase was some Orwellian nightmare that should never see the light of day? Skip forward to 2002, and you will see the majority of society blithely going about their day to day business, blissfully unaware of the implications of cash and credit cards being the tools that map -you- onto any given barcode. Permanent records of your habits and tastes are steadily being built up. Perhaps the spyware people ought to take a look at how history has made the formerly horrific into a tranquil reality.

    1. Re:Future apps will have this as standard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cash?? Credit cards are obvious, but I find it kinda difficult to see how they are tracking your every purchase when you pay with cash.......unless you are at Radio Shack where they seem to ask your life's history to buy a battery

    2. Re:Future apps will have this as standard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tracking your every purchase with cash? Credit cards are obviously leaving a trail, but it seems like it would be hard to do much tracking with cash purchases, unless you are at Radio Shack, where you give your entire personal history just to buy a battery

  28. How is this not terrorism??? by Kombat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't understand this at all. When a university student launches a program out into the net, and that program sneaks onto your machine and mucks with your registry and steals your CPU cycles, it's a "virus." The kid is labeled a hacker and is arrested. And now, thanks to 9/11, the kid has the additional dubious classification of a "terrorist."

    However, if this EXACT SAME THING is done by a corporation, in the name of profit, it is viewed completely differently! Why? What's the difference? It's a VIRUS! Software forces itself onto your machine and changes things without your permission. That's a virus. That's illegal. Why are we tolerating it???

    --
    Like woodworking? Build your own picture frames.
    1. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by x0n · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simply put, they are doing this because you gave them permission to do so when you clicked on 'Finish' without reading the EULA.

      The 'hacker' who hacks into machines and destroys things etc. did NOT receive permission from the owner.

      Of course, noone reads EULAs these days and that is what they took advantage of. Now, who's fault is that? It's not theirs. Perhaps this will go a little towards waking people up a little.

      - Oisin

      --

      PGP KeyId: 0x08D63965
    2. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Spacelord · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well ... it is not a *Russian* company ;)

    3. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Troed · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So a virus that pops up a dialog with a 12 page EULA is ok?


      I'm sure someone on Slashdot can put one out for trial in the wild :)

    4. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by TheCrunch · · Score: 1
      "That's a virus. That's illegal. Why are we tolerating it???"

      Because it's *cough*clearly*cough* stated in the EULA that Joe Avg. clicked to accept.

      It's lame, but that's how it is. For now at least.

      --
      My life is one big siesta in which I'm dreaming I wished my life was one big siesta.
    5. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by jukal · · Score: 1

      Yes, the virus is ok, if you sign the EULA associated with the virus before the virus gets installed on your computer.

      Similarly, it's illegal to cut the liver out from your stomach if it's done by a stranger on the street but it is very legal to take it out if you first sign an agreement regarding this act. In some countries, you can even sign an agreement which makes it legal to kill you.

      Software is a product or service such as anything else, why is it so hard for people to understand this.

    6. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by RunzWithScissors · · Score: 1

      Because you downloaded Kazaa, and the license agreement that you accepted by doing so says that Kazaa can do these things. This is what's known as "pulled" content, you asked for it. A virus, on the other hand, is "pushed" content. Most likely you didn't want it, or seek it out; instead it was sent to you. Also it most certainly it doesn't come with a license agreement for you to digitally accept.

      Not that I side with Kazaa. I think it's super shady that cloaked their ad component in leagalese so that they can legally claim that you wanted it!

      -Runz

    7. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As mentioned it is in the EULA, now all virus opps spyware writers, need to do is include a pop-up window as for permission and they are free to go.

      Just be sure to include language that you will be distruting this helpful software to all thier friends, and that accepting the EULA will allow them to reformat thier harddrives.

      Now that would make an interesting law suit.

    8. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "When a university student launches a program out into the net, and that program sneaks onto your machine and mucks with your registry and steals your CPU cycles, it's a "virus.""

      That's a nice comparison, but I suspect that you may not have read the article too closely. From the article:

      "During the KaZaA client update, users will be able to opt out of the Altnet service, the spokesperson says. The company did not say this previously."

      Now we don't know this will turn out to be a full disclosure deal ("Would you like to join the new Altnet service where WE SEND YOU TARGETED ADS AND USE YOUR SPARE CPU CYCLES TO FIND AN ANTHRAX CURE?") or just a cryptic message ("Join Altnet service?"). Whether or not they're doing something questionable all depends on just how exactly they wind up going about it. And unfortunately, no one seems to have exact details on what the Altnet launch will look like.

    9. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by shepd · · Score: 2

      >Software is a product or service such as anything else, why is it so hard for people to understand this.

      Because most other products in the world don't need laws to protect the companies from the consumer. ie: CBDTPA, DMCA, 100-year copyrights, you name it.

      Normally its the other way around, the laws protect the consumer from the company (safe food handling, product liability, protection from being required to be on a spam list for sending in your warranty card, etc, etc).

      --
      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    10. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 2

      What's the difference? It's a VIRUS!

      It's a virus with a cleverly-worded EULA that several million people clicked "I Agree" on.

      Whoops, now it's up to us to invalidate the EULA in court. I'd be RIGHT THERE helping you, but since 1) I'm too poor to pay for an attorney, and 2) I already uninstalled Brilliant's software with AdAware... I think I'll just download some more Metallica videos on KaZaa!!

      --
      SlashSigTheorem: Humorous, Political, Critical, Constructive- If you have a .sig, someone WILL complai
    11. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by leviramsey · · Score: 1
      Because most other products in the world don't need laws to protect the companies from the consumer. ie: CBDTPA, DMCA, 100-year copyrights, you name it.

      Uh, contract law?

      You go buy a car. You sign a contract promising to pay the remaining $1500 within 6 months (I'm being very hypothetical here). What does the company do? They go after you for breach of contract.

    12. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by fishebulb · · Score: 2

      thats a mutual contract, you are also being protected from the company, the car is yours plus any warranty (or whatever)

    13. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So?? I can opt out of virii by not using Outlook and not downloading attatchments.

    14. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by shepd · · Score: 1

      >You sign a contract promising to pay the remaining $1500 within 6 months (I'm being very hypothetical here).

      Have you ever signed an EULA? I don't mean clicked on agree, but signed?

      Would you buy that car if the company told you that they are allowed to search your house at any time for non-approved car parts? What if that contract said that replacing the stereo was illegal? And if the contract said that dismantling the engine was a breach of contract? What if the contract said that carrying passengers of a certain type voided the warranty?

      As you can see, EULAs and car contracts are very different. Nobody would sign a car contract that had those restrictions, and contract law doesn't provide for companies to take away your basic rights like EULAs try to do all the time.

      --
      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    15. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant troll. I congratulate you sir.

    16. Re:How is this not terrorism??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've wanted to write exactly such a virus for a loooong time now. Something that announces itself as a fun screen saver, frog-in-a-blender-style joke program or whatever, with a subject and message body in proper english. When you open the attachment you get a typical EULA dialog which describes (about halfway through and all in capital letters) exactly what the program is about to do wrt emailing itself, trashing other applications, or whatever.

      The user clicks OK and it does it. The user cancels and nothing happens.

      I really think this virus needs to be written. I'd like to prove my theory that putting a completely truthful EULA in front of a regular email virus wouldn't stop it from spreading in the slightest. NOBODY ever reads them!!

  29. SpyWarez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HiwaBumGa! Ill get the teenage ninjat turtles in they will sort kazaa out, once and for good.

    1. Re:SpyWarez by kwik_mart · · Score: 1

      Since nobody else has stepped in to say anything about this yet, I'd just like to say that was one of the dumbest things I've ever read, but still pretty funny, just maybe not funny in the way you thought it would be.
      Keep up the good work!

  30. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, everyone knows that Gnutella doesn't scale.

  31. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by liquidsin · · Score: 2

    If you're the adventurous type you can get it to run under wine, but I've only gotten it to work when I had a full windows install on another partition and kazaalite installed there. And it was still quite a bit of work.

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    do not read this line twice.
  32. Re:Possibly one good thing... OT by liquidsin · · Score: 2

    Visa's not cold and hard, it's warm and comforting. It's the *bill* that's cold and hard. At least that's how it works with my mastercard. Oh yeah, and the Spiderman score by Danny Elfman is friggin' amazing, but hey, so's everything else of his.
    How many times have we heard that same sentiment, that people would readily pay 25-50 cents (or more) per track for music they liked, so long as they didn't get stuck with a disc full of absolute garbage? Why is it then the suits only half listen, and give us shitty swapping services (pressplay, the new napster, and so on) with "high quality" 128 kbit fucking encoded trash? Of *course* your service will fail when you only offer top 40 at low bitrates. Either these people are really really stupid, or they're really really smart - I just can't figure out which.

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    do not read this line twice.
  33. So which is worse? by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The RIAAs claim that people are stealing music...
    OR
    Another company making a profit off of this supposed theft?

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    Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
    Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
  34. Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by musesoft · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most worrisome part of the article: Nikki Hemming, chief executive of Sharman Networks, advocates a copyright tax on all ISPs. So all ISP users will be forced to pay the RIAA!


    And on the copying and fair use front, Hemming is lobbying Congress for an Intellectual Property Use Fee to settle the quandary of responsibility for distributing copyrighted material. The proposal calls for charging ISPs a fee to compensate copyright holders.

    The IPUF would be a "universal levy that would be applied to everyone in the value chain that benefited from the content available" on the KaZaA network, Hemming says.

    In an open letter to Congress, Sharman Networks writes:

    "We suggest that it is time for Congress to step in and halt the 'whack-a-mole' litigation excesses of the music and movie industries through new legislative initiatives that compel content availability, while establishing a compensation scheme that requires a contribution from all the many industry sectors beyond P2P [peer-to-peer] software that benefit from content availability."

    1. Re:Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2

      If we're going to have to pay content providers through ISP taxes (presumably with no way to determine which content is actually the most popular), why don't we just eliminate all pretense and give the money to public television/radio instead. If we must have socialist entertainment, then give us the real thing.

    2. Re:Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by baptiste · · Score: 2
      I caught that too - for me THAT is the topic that should have made the headline. Thats insane! Make everybody pay so some people can download copyrighted music? Please!

      The precident that would set is staggering - imagine Microsoft trying to asses a 'piracy' fee to ISPs to account for people who download pirated software?

      This little tidbit needs some SERIOUS attention now instead of waiting for the next Hollings type moron to pick it up and write a bill.

      It all comes down to this - if you're doing somethign illegal - you shoudl go to jail - but stop treating the rest of us like criminals because you think we might do something wrong.

    3. Re:Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 1
      Yes, but the RIAA clearly stated in the article they were against this tax, becuase they realize that one you tax the ISPs for the p2p content, you've lost your claim that it is illegal to share content. They can't sue anyone for copyright infringement, and they will have effectively lost control.

      They don't want the government setting their royalty rates, they want to keep their cartel-like stranglehold on the market. I don't think that this tax will happen unless the RIAA goes along with it, and they are not going to go along with it.

    4. Re:Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure that even the current courts would be willing to make music distribution a government monopoly. I do expect, however, that there will eventually be a "bit-tax" of some variety. I don't know who the ostensible beneficiary would be, but based on experience the real beneficiary would be those who control the collection of the tax.

      I can imagine desireable scenarios where the government controls the distribution of news. But then I have a quite creative immagination. What I can't make myself do is believe in any of them. Any additional centrallized control under any pretext would to the detriment of the majority of people. And taxes not only subsidize control, they are a control.

      That said, the only benefit of having the money extorted for the "music companies" over having the government do it is that an oligarcy is more disorganized than a dictatorship. I see no other benefit at all.
      (I.e.: The music companies is composed of a number of relatively independant companies, where the government is more unitary.)

      OTOH, the only benefit that this would yield is that there might be more variety in the "music" that they provide. Possibly. The government might be more unitary, and only provide, e.g., Muzak. (Something that wouldn't offend anyone, or get anyone too excited ... except about things that they wanted people to be excited about.)

      If I felt that I could trust the government to act in the best interests of the country, then I might even support this. One could make an analogy between music and the endocrine system. Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to be the case. The government seems to act more as a partially adapted parasite than as a full symbiote. It doesn't usually provoke a strong immune response, even though its actions sometimes indicates that one would be appropriate. (OTOH, a severe fever and inflamation is quite uncomfortable, and can even be fatal, so perhaps a partially suppressed immune response is more appropriate.)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re:Sharman Networks wants a copyright tax on ISPs! by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2
      OTOH, the only benefit that this would yield is that there might be more variety in the "music" that they provide. Possibly. The government might be more unitary, and only provide, e.g., Muzak. (Something that wouldn't offend anyone, or get anyone too excited ... except about things that they wanted people to be excited about.)

      Perhaps, but comparing the offerings of governmental PBS/NPR to corporate MPAA/RIAA, the opposite would seem to be the case. Not that I really give my attention to any of those acronyms very often anymore...

  35. Shaggy Says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ZOIKS!

    1. Re:Shaggy Says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BAYN!

  36. Dune and Kaaza by RunzWithScissors · · Score: 1

    Appartently the sleeper will awaken.

    -Runz

  37. *** DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON *** by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Read the bleepin' article. Neatly buried in the middle, you'll find this gem:
    And on the copying and fair use front, Hemming is lobbying Congress for an Intellectual Property Use Fee to settle the quandary of responsibility for distributing copyrighted material. The proposal calls for charging ISPs a fee to compensate copyright holders.
    Notice that this says "copyright holder" and not "creative artists"
    1. Re:*** DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON *** by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Notice that this says "copyright holder" and not "creative artists""

      You flagged the correct paragraph, but I believe you flagged it for the wrong reason. The paragraph worries me because it's potentially a tax on all ISP usage, whether the person is using it to host a small website, SSH to a Unix box for multiplayer nethacking, play legally purchased copies of online videogames, or engage in P2P filesharing.

      Furthermore, determining who's copyrighted material is being shared will be iffy at best: If we go off commercial sales then effectively protected works (such as online videogames require unique CD keys) would receive a disproportionately higher share of piracy compensation. If we go off of what's being shared then copyright holders would have an incentive to pretend to illegally share their own copyrighted works.

      As to why I believe you reason (lack of compensation for creative artists) isn't relevant: The entire point of laws to protect intellectual property is to protect the person who holds the rights to that work. By default, that would be the person who created the work. However, sometimes the creator is unable to pursue the commercial use of the work. In this case, the creator can sell his ownership of the absolute rights of the work to a new party. Once he's done so, he's no longer a part of the discussion -- it's not the creator's work anymore.

      Now in the case of the recording industry, the artists are "selling" their works in exchange for receiving royalties based on the future sales of that work. They probably have other rights relating to the work that they reserve. This entire arrangement is managed by the infamous "recording contract". However, if you have a problem with recording contracts screwing over the creative artists, the place to address would be some sort of anti-trust or anti-monopoly suit or legislation, not piracy compensation legislation.

    2. Re:*** DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON *** by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let me start out by saying that I despise the idea of the government forcing me to pay for content I may or may not consume and in fact wish no one else consumed, at least on a scale large enough to keep the RIAA afloat (a few pennies to PBS, NPR, NEA, eh...I don't like it, but it's not enough money to complain about.)

      But disregarding that opinion for a bit, I must still oppose paying copywright holders instead of creators.

      However, sometimes the creator is unable to pursue the commercial use of the work. In this case, the creator can sell his ownership of the absolute rights of the work to a new party.

      Yes, but we must ask ourselves WHY this is the case. It used to be because in individuals weren't capable of distributing their music to the masses for sale. With the internet, this is no longer the case--anyone can put their mp3s on the internet. However, individuals have little ability to make a consumers receiving the mp3 conditional on their paying--so they still must sell their rights to the recording industry.

      But if this potential legislation passes, it is an admision by the RIAA that it is no longer capable of providing this service on it's own! It can't stop consumers from getting songs without paying, it needs the government to bail it out. So it isn't needed to help distribute music, and it's no longer capable of restricting the distribution of music. Therefore the Recording Industry serves no purpose whatsoever, and the faster their employees are on the streets looking for jobs that actually accomplish something, the more productive our economy will become. However, if this pointless industry is kept alive by governmental fiat, like such piracy compensation legislation, it will be a great waste and a greater injustice.

      In other words, because the ONLY remaining purpose of the RIAA members existance is to make people pay artists, the screwing over of artists MUST be addressed in piracy compensation legislation.

      Of course, this all assumes that procedes to the copywright holders will be based on the number of times their song is downloaded--more likely, the government will just say "well, AOL Time Warner made X dollars before napster from record sales, so we can just assume they would make X inflation-adjusted dollars today if it were not for piracy". Thus, whether or not AOLTW actually produces more likable music, they still get paid, and THEN we'll see how much we can really screw over those artists!

      This prospect offends me not merely because it is corporate welfare, but because it gives control of Art itself to an unelected, unappointed few.

      So, both of you are right. The sentence he flagged was pretty evil, but everything else in the idea sucks too.

    3. Re:*** DANGER DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON *** by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2
      "In other words, because the ONLY remaining purpose of the RIAA members existance is to make people pay artists, the screwing over of artists MUST be addressed in piracy compensation legislation."

      You have a point, but I think you're over-valuing the Internet's influence and disregarding some of the other contributions of RIAA members. There's more to distributing and promoting music than just throwing a copy up on KaZaA. In an ideal world, just making the music available would be enough, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be worrying about this issue, either. Let's also not forget that there are still people interested in buying CDs out of stores. It takes work to get a retail item on store shelves. That's any retail item -- even something completely unrelated to intellectual property.

      There's also the issue of managing the rights to use the song in other contexts. Radio broadcast rights (at least until the year 2055, when we get complete, flat-rate, cheap wireless Internet coverage and car-based streaming mp3 players), movie rights, and so on all require contracts and negotiation. While negotiating with each individual artist for the movies rights might be okay (since it's just a dozen or so songs), negotiating the radio rights would be a killer.

      Next we've got the investment angle. RIAA members are the ones who front all that money to cover the expenses that Courtney Love complains about in her oft-cited piece. Yes, they demand an obscene amount of money back in return, but they are the ones taking the initial financial risk.

      Anyway, how about implementing the copyright holder protection in such a way as to cover even small-scale copyright holders? If we assume that Internet distribution is a valid model, then that would allow a creative artist to continue to act as the copyright holder for his/her own body of work. That person would (hopefully) receive a fair cut of the pie based on his/her popularity.

      At the same time, I'd want a dual effort to reform the music industry both at the RIAA member level and the radio level. Cut out price fixing. Cut out contracts that unfairly leverage a monopolistic status in order to reduce the creative artist's royalties. Cut out payola (or at least regulate it), where the RIAA members have to give money to the radio stations to get air time.

      The payola issue would probably be the best starting point. It greatly cuts down on smaller artists, it's already illegal (I believe), and radio stations are open to regulation because they've been granted something of a monopoly by the government (since radio bandwidth is inherently limited).

  38. Promoting music on the net and DRM by galaga79 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At first, Altnet will market video and audio clips. Brilliant is negotiating with music labels and movie studios to market their material as well. The files will be copy-protected in some way, using Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology. Restrictions could vary with the type of file or its source; a record label may let you copy a file once (onto a portable player, for example), or play it only a certain number of times.

    It's good to see that record labels have finally come to their senses and are starting to use the Internet as a marketting tool. An example of this is how silverchair released their single 'The Greatest View' as a digital download to great success. However it is a pity that such downloads usually have some form of DRM like they stop playing after a certain date, but I guess some record labels aren't prepared to hand out freebies even if it means potentially increasing sales through exposure. On the otherhand other labels, usually the smaller/independent labels are quite happy to hand out free tracks with no constraints at sites like Epitonic

    Speaking of Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology, I wonder if Microsoft have released a patch for it since it was cracked last October

  39. Patch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And where will it be downloaded from?

    YUP! Kazaa! :D

  40. Bait and Switch by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many times have we seen this happen? This tactic is so old it's pathetic-- Provide your service for free then try and sell it for a buck when you think you have enough users. And as old as it, they never seem to realize that it never fails to alinate their user base to no end. And I may have missed something, but since when was Kazaa's service up to the quality of something you'd pay for?

    --
    You need a FREE iPod Nano
  41. Offtopic : Microsoft DRM by blowdart · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology, I wonder if Microsoft have released a patch for it since it was cracked last October

    Yes. It came out about 1-2 weeks later. It's amusing to hang out on bulletin boards and hear people complaining that freeme doesn't work on the DRMed file they downloaded, or the DRMed stream they ripped off.

    1. Re:Offtopic : Microsoft DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I find it hilarious when corporations mechanically bypass my fair use rights.

    2. Re:Offtopic : Microsoft DRM by blowdart · · Score: 2

      You believe you have fair use on an audio stream?

      We're not talking CD ripping here, I'm talking about the morons that use stream savers to soak up bandwidth by pulling streams down byte by byte to the local hard drive. I've seen it done on work servers, and ASFRecorder and that ilk are badly written. 40Gbs worth of transfer to get a 2Mb audio stream. Now image that multiplied by 100, and image the quality of the streams "normal" users are going to see. The fun thing, for me, was the stream itself was DRMed and the DRM attributes went with the ripper.

      Now, if a record label puts up a concert on the web, at their expense, as a stream not a download (their choice), so people who couldn't make it to the event can watch it, do you still believe you have a fair use to copy that and bypass protection?

  42. Fools by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    If you agree to let Altnet's partners download to your hard drive multimedia-rich advertisements for later playback, you can earn points redeemable at e-merchants toward purchases.

    This is exactly the scheme tried by all the "free ISP's" of a coupla years ago. "Watch my ads, and you get something in return."

    How many of those guys are still around?

  43. Woooo... by Masem · · Score: 2
    Giving up some of a consumer's hard drive and CPU and bandwidth for points that will be accepted by e-commerce places for audio and video files?

    I'm sure the point system will go over quite well in dot.com land *cough*flooz*cough*...

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    "Pinky, you've left the lens cap of your mind on again." - P&TB
    "I can see my house from here!" - ST:
  44. Americans buying their own bull**** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the below would be the vaccine that they're not really giving your army and your rich, right? And we should all sit back and not worry that corporations will or won't honor the vague commitments in their press statements, like the story carried here yesterday about www.flogo.com, i think it was?

    SNIP
    Bermeister says he hopes to strike deals with companies like United Devices, Entropia, and Parabon, which recruit PC downtime to process data for various projects, some of them charitable and many of them scientific. For example, United Devices participates in the Anthrax Research Project, which is seeking a vaccine for anthrax poisoning. In that project, you download a screensaver and donate your PC's spare resources to participate in a virtual supercomputer that can analyze billions of molecules in a fraction of the time it takes even a standard supercomputer. Whenever your screen saver goes on, your PC goes to work on an anthrax vaccine.

    SNIP

  45. Microsoft DRM by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This wouldn't happen to be the DRM that has already been broken?

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    It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    1. Re:Microsoft DRM by blowdart · · Score: 1

      That's out of date. The patch was released 2 weeks later.

  46. State Sponsored Entertainment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My business model is failing too, can I get government sponsorship?

  47. TCP/IP Specs? by macdaddy · · Score: 2

    Has anyone figured out the TCP/IP specifics of the spyware? I'd like to figure out if I can block the spyware and not Kazaa from my campus network.

    1. Re:TCP/IP Specs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No idea. Since they are the guys that have access to the internal p2p protocol detail, it is likely the spyware can hitch a ride in the normal control packets making it difficult to block/tame.

      I have an old 486 just to run the kazaa network. They are quite welcome to the state of the art hardware 10 years ago - 133MHz 486 with ~50% cycles left after P2P and what's left on a 3GB hard drive. ;)

      I don't run IE nor any apps on that box. If things gets bad enough, that box will be segmented off from the rest of my network which have additional firewalls installed.

  48. Microsoft's encryption technology... by Java+Pimp · · Score: 1

    ... at least the copy protection will be easy to break. I was worried for a second. Whew!

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    Ascalante: Your bride is over 3,000 years old.
    Kull: She told me she was 19!
  49. UnitedDevices? by cheesyfru · · Score: 2

    I've been dedicating my cycles voluntarily to UD for many months now. It's a great cause and they seem like a good and upstanding group. If they end up partnering with these bozos and allowing their research to be turned into an involuntary virus, I'll certainly pull my machines from the pool. It's important work that they do, but there are others to choose from.

  50. using Microsoft's digital rights management by Technician · · Score: 2

    Too bad they keep trying to sell the stuff that is incompatible with my hardware. If it won't work with my in-dash MP3 player, my RIO and my CD burner, then you can't sell it to me.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  51. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by tps12 · · Score: 2
    Unfortunately, while kazaa has a good amount of files and reasonable performance, gnutella lacks both. :(

    I have been waiting for Linux to come out with a Kazaa client, but as usual they are well behind the cutting edge in the Windows world.

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    Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
  52. Content for CPU cycles by eddy_crim · · Score: 1

    I know Brilliant have gone about this all the wrong way, but the concept of paying for quality content with cpu cyles sure sounds like a great idea to me! Its certaily sounds better than paying for it with real money... is there anyone else that has tried this approach? How much is once cycle of my processor worth and who wants some?

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    hmmm.
  53. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by Java+Pimp · · Score: 1
    I'm not trying to be a troll and no offense to Gnutella as I use it also, but at least with my experience, Gnutella is not as big and fast a network as Kazaa (et al). I get way less hits from Gnutella and I have yet to get downloads speeds over 10K/s. When Morpheus bit the bullet I made the switch but I was spoiled by the performance I had been getting. I cringed but damnit! I need more Space Ghost episodes! So I installed Kazaa and the Spyware. I disabled the spyware shortly after. Kazaa Lite is a gift to those not so tech savvy.

    Don't worry. Once Kazaa drives themselves out of the picture like they are, more people will be making the switch and the Gnutella network will grow (and hopefully be as fast). But as long as Kazaa has more of what people want, no one is going to abandon it.

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    Ascalante: Your bride is over 3,000 years old.
    Kull: She told me she was 19!
  54. Symantec Personal Firewall would detect it by div_2n · · Score: 1

    It warns you (if you set it to) to warn you of any application attempting to access the internet. You can even set it to always block a certain application from accessing the internet. Not bad.

  55. Right tool for the job. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
    Strangely enough yesterday I talked to a Bulgarian friend of mine. He has cable and he was leeching MP3'S (don't know with what software, didn't ask). So I asked him if he liked the high speeds. To my suprise he told me he was on 56KBps modem. Why? Simple: the cable is paying per megabyte, the phone is slower but is very cheap overnight: so no problem leaving the machine on all night for heavy downloads.

    I summary: he uses his cable to be online-always-but-not-much traffic, and he uses the modem for downloads. It's the cheapest for him.
    I for myself am on ADSL, which is very expensive in my country (compared to the neighbouring countries), but at least it's unmetered (unlike in neighbouring countries)

    Now if my Bulgarian friend had (has?) KaZaa installed, this means he will be screwed indeed...because how could he turn off the scumware while he is on Cable? Just think of it...

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    Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
    1. Re:Right tool for the job. by Shadarr · · Score: 1
      "how could he turn off the scumware while he is on Cable?"

      Perhaps a firewall?

    2. Re:Right tool for the job. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Since most spyware piggybacks on Internet Explorer and passes it's info over port 80 you can put as many firewalls as you want, it won't help a thing. Zonealarm won't detect the "intrusion".

      Sorry to disappoint you...

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      Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
  56. Same with Zone Alarm by ringbarer · · Score: 1

    But the problem is that this vunerability would affect previously trusted applications. Obviously, you can have the security settings up to maximum paranoia, and have it warn you very time you start up Internet Explorer, but that would quickly get in the way of general web browsing.

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    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
    1. Re:Same with Zone Alarm by silicon_synapse · · Score: 1

      People! Please stop it! The subject line is NOT part of the body of your message. The subject line should give a very short indication of the topic of your message. The message itself should be completely contained inside the "Comment" field. That ranks right up there with sending an email with no subject.

    2. Re:Same with Zone Alarm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit! How many sheets of tin foil do you use to wrap your trash Mr. Anal Retentive?

  57. Privacy Issues? by toupsie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What is to stop Kazaa and Brilliant Digital from using their software to scan the music & movie files on your hard drive, develop a signature and transfer that back to the RIAA and MPAA? Could Kazaa be a trojan horse company set up by music companies to spy on the p2p habits of music lovers? If they now claim that using the bathroom during a commercial break is a technical violation of the copyright laws, this doesn't seem to far fetched.

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    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
  58. Screw The Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Well, because you can choose not to use it for starters. Didn't anyone read the Entire article? This is what you should concern about.

    "And on the copying and fair use front, Hemming is lobbying Congress for an Intellectual Property Use Fee to settle the quandary of responsibility for distributing copyrighted material. The proposal calls for charging ISPs a fee to compensate copyright holders."

    If hemming, or whoever call-me-a-thief-when-I-am-online, get their way, you'll all pay. To think, are these media moguls interested in selling their products, or just scheming through the law to collect on everyone, not just their customers!?!? Moreover, do not think that once you pay extra to your ISP, you'll then have the right to download whatever you want legally. There will be more laws to come that will dictate online freedom.

    One must pay corporate taxes to have "freedom."

  59. Lobbying congress to charge ISPs for Kazaa?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And on the copying and fair use front, Hemming is lobbying Congress for an Intellectual Property Use Fee to settle the quandary of responsibility for distributing copyrighted material. The proposal calls for charging ISPs a fee to compensate copyright holders.

    Erm, call me crazy, but why is Nikki Hemming, the Kazaa CEO, lobbying congress to try and get ISPs to pay the RIAA for their users' running her software? Pass the buck much? So she doesn't need to pay for the piracy herself. This is a sure-fire way to get Kazaa universally blocked.

    Mind you, this is not to say I'm in favor of the RIAA in any way, shape, or form, but come on... ISPs have enough to deal with without having to pay royalties that they are completely not responsible for, thus driving up user prices, when a good proportion of their users (myself included) don't even use this software.

    Lame, Nikki. Lame.

    -Jason "too lazy to set up an account" M.

  60. did you read his message? by Smallest · · Score: 1

    in the scenario he describes, the overall EXE will not change - it will still be IE. only the rendering engine has changed: a DLL or two that runs in the EXEs address space as part of the EXE. all internet accesses still appear to be coming from IE. the firewall doesn't know anything about which DLL within the EXE is making the call.

    -c

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    1. Re:did you read his message? by div_2n · · Score: 1

      In that case, I would just use an alternative browser and block IE. That or just uninstall the application.

    2. Re:did you read his message? by ZiZ · · Score: 2
      ...the firewall doesn't know anything about which DLL within the EXE is making the call.

      Not true, actually. Programs such as ZoneAlarm (and , IIRC, BlackIce Defender) can check against unauthorized components as well as unauthorized programs. You just have to tell it to, at the moment, but that may change if the default behavior of programs gets more evil...

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    3. Re:did you read his message? by ATAMAH · · Score: 1

      Stop saying "firewall" when talking about zonealarm and the likes. It's a joke, not a firewall. A simple 486 dx4 with some unix/linux
      on it will do a far better job.

  61. Promote Gnutella! by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Informative
    Proud user of GNUcleus. Really fine client. Don't need more, and about 80% of the stuff I want to find can be found quite easily.

    Since GNUcleus is the standard P2P tool I chose for my home network, my sister has to use it instead of anything she ever heard of. (Bearshare, Morpheus, Kazaa and whatever she wanted...don't recall) She is into alternative music, and I though she might be disappointed. Well, she is *not*. She is very happy with what she can get. She never complains. So the more peope participate in Gnutella, the better! Promote it! :-))

    And I'm *not* a communist linux type...

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    1. Re:Promote Gnutella! by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Uh, you're kidding right? Or well, probably not - but you're certainly luckier than most.

      I don't know anyone who's used the Gnutella network and felt it was a good experience. I got tired of all the spyware B.S. and re-installed GNUcleus, after dabbling in Morpheus, BearShare, and others. After only 3 days, I couldn't deal with it anymore. It often had problems making an initial connection for *long* periods of time, as it cycled through non-responding IPs. Then, you'd do a search and find maybe 1 or 2 people offering what you wanted. You'd go to d/l it, only to be told the download wasn't available. If you did get a download started, it never failed to trickle in at under 2K per second. I didn't order DSL so I could download files at 14.4K modem speeds!

      I just don't think it has the popularity of the other networks, at least with people who are sharing out large numbers of files with decent bandwidth.

    2. Re:Promote Gnutella! by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Your experience is quite strange. I have had many times that GNUcleus maxes out my DSL line. No problem, the files fly in.
      However I got a similar experience with slow connection times due to cycling IP addresses that were down. However I found that when connecting regularly this disadvantage disappears. I once had that the GNUcleus cache emptied itself completely, now *that* sucks (copying my sisters cache file fixed it btw)
      Also keep in mind that if you are behind a firewall, there is no way to connect to another user that is also behind a firewall. This is normal because you will send a push request which the other party will accept and push the file, however your firewall will block the incoming connection. That reduces of course the amount of possible peers. This probably accounts for the connections you tried to build and that failed. Remember: many people on Gnutella are informed people since the "plebs" does seem only to know the Kazaa network (FastTrack, isn't it?).

      What also is importat is to share your files, that makes the community. Gnutella will be better if we get even more users.

      And I was not joking at all: I really have quite high success rate using GNUCleus (and Mactella on the Mac but it performs worse)

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  62. It is far too hard for the average user to install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The average user may also have problems locating the power switch, plugging in the keyboard, and connecting to the Internet.

    Give us some credit... we're not all opinionated 14year old americans

  63. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by GlassUser · · Score: 2
    Unfortunately, while kazaa has a good amount of files and reasonable performance, gnutella lacks both. :(


    Don't give me that. Files are available when you make them available. You don't need to start whining until you're making your own files accessable on it.
  64. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

    kazaa has a good amount of files and reasonable performance, gnutella lacks both

    Never having used Kazaa, I have regularly seen over 2TB available on Gnutella using Phex. Is that really "lacking" compared to Kazaa? Amazing.

    I can agree that the Gnutella network performance is severely lacking. Even on cable, its annoyingly slow. I often wonder if smaller networks using alternate network names would improve performance. It also seems that a GetRight feature stapled on top of Gnutella might improve gets. Phex is halfway there, identifying identical hits on multiple servers.

    And finally, if Linux update tools were modified to optionally search gnutella for updates (available only if GPG is installed for verification) that would save tons of work on the standard, albeit short list of mirrors and bring an enormous amount of legitimacy to the network.

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  65. And the award for worst analogy goes to... by ThaReetLad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Matt Oppenheim, RIAA senior vice president of business and legal affairs.

    "If I rob a bank, the fact that I haven't been arrested yet doesn't mean I haven't done something wrong," Oppenheim says. "Sharman Networks should take no comfort in the fact they haven't been sued yet."

    Perhaps a better analogy would be...

    Person A works in a bank. Person B is a friend of person A and says "Can you give me some of the money from your bank". Person A says "sure, come on over". So person B drives to the bank and person A gives him some cash from the vault.
    The FBI decides that a theft has taken place and imprisons the Ford motor company for making the vehicle used by person B to drive to the bank.

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  66. They already got one passed by drew_kime · · Score: 2

    Yes, but the RIAA clearly stated in the article they were against this tax, becuase they realize that one you tax the ISPs for the p2p content, you've lost your claim that it is illegal to share content.

    Whenever you buy blank media you are already paying exactly this type of tax. The argument that you are then free to copy -- since you've already paid -- hasn't worked yet.

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  67. Grokster by mlong · · Score: 1

    I see everyone recommending Kazza Lite but I use Grokster. It uses the FastTrak network and doesn't use Brillant Spyware. Grokster does have a lot of bundled junk but you can uncheck it in the setup program.

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    1. Re:Grokster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows did have some options boxes that you could uncheck, but somehow those options are installed anyway...

      Better wait a couple of weeks before installing a lit version of it and then run the updated ad aware scan on it.

    2. Re:Grokster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grokster also installs spyware/adware that delves into your system and registry without your direct knowledge. I know this, becuase I installed Grokster. I don't use Grokster. Refused to use it once I found the hiding spyware.

  68. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by tps12 · · Score: 2
    Never having used Kazaa, I have regularly seen over 2TB available on Gnutella using Phex. Is that really "lacking" compared to Kazaa? Amazing.

    Yes, it is. When the Linux Kazaa client worked, I would quite frequently be able to find multiple sources for even the most obscure file. In contrast, I frequently fail to find any results on gnutella for even files which should be common. I won't go into details, and I'm aware that this is anecdotal, but that is my impression.

    Perhaps it is due to problems in the gnutella protocol? I recall there being issues with scaling, and it could just be an effect of inferior search handling.

    I might look into Phex, though I have been as happy with gtk-gnutella as can be expected.

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  69. If you need help convincing people... by TDScott · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just a quick note - as I always do in these topics - I've written an under-600-word guide to the problem and how to fix it, designed for the uninitiated.

    Pointing people there could save hours of explanation...

  70. Riiiight. by Frobozz0 · · Score: 1

    "The files will be copy-protected in some way, using Microsoft's digital rights management encryption technology."

    Hahahahahahahaha (wipe tears from eyes) Hahahahaha.

    Microsoft and digital rights. OMG, that has to be a mis-print. Tell me it's a mis-print. I can't laugh enough about the irony. And honest to god, does anyone want to take a bet how many hours it will take to crack the code and spread it throughout the world? I'm thinking less than one work day.

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  71. what about Grokster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or the new morpheous? or even bearshare, for that matter. do any of the other P2P clients have software like this included? comments?

  72. The new IDIOT by mcrbids · · Score: 1
    I remember reading some time back that in times past, "idiot" referred to somebody of great learning, highly educated.

    The term gradually came to include the connotation of "lacking common sense", as in "over-educated idiot", and finally has come to simply mean "lacking common sense", as in "What an idiot!".

    It seems that "Brilliant" is going down the same evolutionary path. I mean "He's brilliant!" becomes "Geez, that's f--king brilliant" to finally, " That's just brilliant. ".

    Am I wrong, here?

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    1. Re:The new IDIOT by scrod · · Score: 1
      Am I wrong, here?

      You're wrong. Brilliant is the name of a company.
  73. you present the worst well by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    but by the same token I should then be able to go get an OS browser and be sure of being safe, err as safe as can be on an M$ OS....

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  74. Leave it be or..... by redog · · Score: 1

    Blame it all on Metallica they started it! All this will end up as bad as Social security, cable Telivision, and the war on drugs. I can see it now, ISP charged per user tax that never make it to the artists who are promised ads on filesharing software only to be replaced by infomercial-popups, while the feds go busting down doors cause little Jill Downloaded a song off the FBI's Bait peer, only because dad wouldnt cough up 25$ for the new nsync album because his ISP bill is too high this month.

  75. Re:Infocalypse Now - Zonealarm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, Zonealarm 3 Pro does know about all the components and DLL's in my computer. It even stores MD5 sums of them. I get this info from ZoneAlarm:

    Inside the program alert
    Program name: ADs Router Layer DLL A program or a component running on your computer which either attempted to send an IP packet over the Internet or is waiting for an incoming packet.

    Filename: ACTIVEDS.DLL The filename that ZoneAlarm Pro found on your computer.

    Program version: 5.00.2195.2778 The version of ADs Router Layer DLL running on your computer.

    Date Modified 2aa86000 The date when ACTIVEDS.DLL was most recently created.

    Program Size 178960 The size of the program executable file in bytes.

    Program MD5: 7627ca35c07142ef3c6ae4a850c1de34 The MD5 hash, or number, that uniquely identifies the file.

    Program CRC: fbb8c868 The Cyclic Redundancy Check (CRC) checksum for the executable. This is the result of an algorithm for ensuring data integrity.

  76. Warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warning: Paranoia proximity detectors are off the scale!

    Thank you, drive through.

  77. Did anyone else by theblacksun · · Score: 1

    Originally read "Brilliant Spyware" as the spyware being brilliant? I nearly dropped a load when I thought /. was complementing the sneaky bastards.

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  78. Re: Not quite true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You, obviously, have not tried to remove this stuff from your hard-drive. I have. The crappy uninstallation program leaves hidden registry entries (including commands to reinstall the spyware even after the main program is gone) and 'abandons' files everywhere ...like windows registry needs extra help corrupting itself.

  79. Some victim company should sue Brilliant by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you find this on a corporate system, sue Brilliant Digital under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, for "exceeding authorized access". If they claim their access is "authorized", demand to see a document signed by an officer of the company. Some random employee clicking on a dialog box isn't enough. Only someone with authority to bind the company can authorize access. It's a straight "hacking" case.

  80. Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes folks, money makes the world go round. Its easy really, its the the principle of recursion writ large. The most important thing in the universe is money, its far more important than gravity. The way to get money, is to have money, then using that money, to make more money. So the reasoning being offerered to all those people who ask why do they want money, its because if they can get some money, they can use that money to get some money. Well really, you dissagree with me do you? Look money - money is not a symbol, its actually real. Its God the great accountant in the sky. The holy dollar ruleth. The answer to all your problems brethen, more money, more holiness in other words. Sing after me brethren God's wonderful hymn 'Money makes the world go round' Money is God's love and we can't have too much of that can we? Its all a game really. As long as we have enough money we are in front. Problem is, all the while some one else has some money we are loosing. The name of the game is monopoly, winner takes all. Ah money, don't you love the sound of that word. Ah you at the back there, what was that you said? "Life" Good point good point, but you forgot the proviso, only as long as it can be bought and sold. I want money thats what I want. Oh give me money thats what I want. All the best things in life are free, I'll leave that to the birds and the bees, Oh give me money thats what I want

  81. GENERAL DISCLAIMER by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    Hereby I forbid the installation of unwanted, by me or by anyone else, software.
    Even if I blindly click 'yes' or agree to the most obsture terms, the above ALWAYS aplies.
    Violation of this WILL cost you.

    Hmm. For a first attempt it's nice ;)

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  82. Whatever you say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^
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  83. GOOD uses for hidden modules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Spamming the spammers
    2) Bouncing known spammer posts
    3) Removing local spyware
    4) Checking / Advising local user of system flaws
    5) Displaying usable Open Source alternatives for locally found software

  84. Does not mean much by novastyli · · Score: 1

    What you describe can be done with current Windows. You don't need any ability to switch renderer. If the user allows you to install any executable, you can inject a DLL into some other program's (say, IE) address space by using a hook function. Any access to the net from the DLL would then appear as from the target program.

    In short, the modularization of Windows does not affect the situation a bit in this respect.

  85. Let me play devils advocate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before, I was totally against anyone using CPU cycles on MY machine to do their work, or "manage my rights", on data stored on equipment I own.

    However, brilliant IS offering something for CPU cycles - redeemable points to purchase stuff.

    Now, I don't really find this useful, because I would much rather they just paid flat out cash for it. In which case I would set up a few spare machines for brilliant's sole use - all the CPU cycles and harddrive space they could need.

  86. Re: More on Kazaa and Brilliant Digital Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To quote my Kazaa lite screen as of this moment:

    1,650,984 users online, sharing 299,786,663 files (1,807,648 GB)

    So yeah, 2TB is miniscule (about 0.1%) in comparison.

    One thing I have been noticing more and more about Kazaa however is that compared to the heyday of Napster and Scour, finding what I want is not nearly as easy as it used to be. Not to mention getting good high speed downloads and uploads is becoming all too rare as well. Guess the signal ratio is getting a little low.

  87. I like your Idea but how to get rid of original? by systemaster · · Score: 1

    If one gets kazzalite off kazaa, that means that he/she already has kazaa. Will uninstalling kazaa(original) get rid of all the extra crap. I bet not, but what if one also runs ad-aware, will that take care of everything. Maybe someone who knows about spyware/kazaa can answer.

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  88. Part of the answer, results by systemaster · · Score: 1

    Sorry to respond to my own post but I've been working on the problem myself. Adware full scan before removeing kazaa 105 items, after uninstalling 89 items. Almost all are brilliant digital stuff, a few that are from random web sites, I think are just cookies. I think most of the 89 left still came aboard with kazaa.

    A side note, I have noticed that IE seems to crash more when kazaa is running. Is it becuase of something sneeky that its trying to do, and doesn't do it well?

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  89. No bandwidth is unused by DaCool42 · · Score: 1

    There is no such thing as unused bandwidth. Someone is paying for it. Using some extra may not cost you, but if, for example, everyone on a cable internet provider starts using all the bandwidth available 24x7, there would be major problems for the provider.

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  90. Try this to remove BDE/B3D... by ijablokov · · Score: 1

    http://javacool1.freeservers.com/

  91. GNUTELLA SUCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNUTELLA clients will overpower your system...sap up all your CPU cycles. GNUTELLA (and all it's clients) won't allow for information that's needed. It won't show bitrate (128,160,192,etc), won't show ID info in general. I trully detest the entire network. I hope it doesn't resort to having to GUetleelelellellalala.