...Microsoft used the same tactics that Henry Ford did up until the 1930's? The entire US mass market had "standardized" on 1/16-inch screw thread dimensions, with a thread angle of 60 degrees by that time. The upper and lower 1/8 of the thread were truncated. Ford insisted on 1/32-inch dimensions, and the tools sold with new autos conformed to this. The warranties were voided by using non-Ford dealers and tools; people soon discovered new uses for metal files and "standards". IMHO, Microsoft is the "Henry Ford" of the computing industry, and is going through the same growing pains. This only serves to show what a huge shift computing represents.
this thing might just pay its own way. You'd be surprised at what woodworkers (in the US at least) will pay for old growth lumber, especially for hardwoods. Not to mention municipalties on rivers that want their shipping channels cleared out. I've seen people bid thousands of dollars for a single tree. Consider that a hundred years ago, it was not uncommon to see doors made out of a single slab of chestnut, for example; such things are incredibly rare these days.
"We are playing to win," AT&T Labs President Hossein Eslambolchi told industry analysts in February.
If you ask a researcher, a coder, a sysadmin, a lawyer, and a businessman what the definition of "winning" is, you'll probably get five different answers, one for each. Or a doctor, or a plumber, etc. ad infinitum.
... or does "Portable Media Center" software just not roll off the tongue like "iPod"? Actually I'm wondering why I even care; I do OK either way on Linux.
I'm lucky to work for a family-owned multimillion dollar company. The owners work their butts off, and the whole management chain is unanimous; you don't have very many conflicting orders.They've been around for 3 generations now, totally private - if they need money they borrow it like everyone else does.
Another poster has said that careful planning will be required; any "pecking order" in the management chain should come naturally and be agreeable to all. Probably based on everyones perceived strengths and weakness, and co-operation.
Another real-world example: IBM was a family company until Tom Watson Jr. retired .
Assuming the article is true, nobody said it had to be booked to MS. It could be from an individual or a shell company for example. But I actually doubt this article.
Cross-posting from my groklaw coment about Autozone yesterday:
Details of SCO claim against AutoZone
Authored by: inode_buddha on Wednesday, March 03 2004 @ 10:32 PM EST
Right... I would *love* to see them try "All your algorithm are belong to us".
Regarding the merit of the actual cases vs public opinion, I would like to remind SCO that your words both in and out of court are and will be compared to your actions. Questions of good faith vs bad faith, and corporate ethics are fair game when one acts and speaks publicly. As an individual I take pains to ensure that my actions and words correspond in such a way that my integrity is difficult to question; people are often shocked to discover that I was telling the truth. As a fictitious person in the form of a corporation, companies including SCO should do likewise.
IMHO this is a poor reflection on our society, that truthfulness is not automatically given nor assumed. I take at face value and I give at face value. I expect all my relationships, both business and personal to be likewise, else those relationships are terminated with extreme prejudice.
To apply that concept to computing and legal disputes, I've never met a computer that you can BS. It will have bugs and give errors if you try it. Groklaw exists in order to debug the legal system
If anyone wants to accuse groklaw of shady dealings or duplicity at any time, please refer them to this post and quote me on it.
---
"Truly, if Te is strong in one, all one needs to do is sit on one's ass, and the corpse of one's enemy shall be carried past shortly." (seen on USENET)
Newsome broke this last night about midnight EST on #groklaw, about the new Halloween doc and I had serious doubts whether it should be posted at all until it was verified.
Um, no. She doesn't kill the DB server (mysql) for a freaking story. What's been happening is the DB server gets overloaded in the rush-hour traffic and shuts down. It's probably a direct result of the/. effect and the groklaw regulars attempting to post.
It's even more laughable when you consider that familysearch.org (owned and operated by the church for the benefit of John Q. Public) is hosted on IBM mainframes partitioned into virtual Linux servers. And yes, I'm LDS and I take extreme offense to Darl's/SCO's actions and to the totally misinformed "Mormom-bashing" type posts. If Darl/SCO had true integrity and belief in their actions, they would sue the Church also, IMHO.
"The business world isn't about "the good guys" and "the bad guys"...
You could have fooled me. After all, every employer I've ever had was "the good guy". After about 20 years of this bullshit I said to myself "Wait a munute, they can't all be the good guy, especially not in the exact same field!"
Keeping that in mind if you want to get *really* hairy with that thought, what about the idea that one's ethics are relative to the culture one is in? The corporate culture, even? What's perfectly OK for me might not be OK for you.
Weeding through the noise at Yahoo, I found this from one of the dependable regulars:
About EV1 by: korbomite Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Sell 03/01/04 09:36 pm Msg: 100568 of 100685
EV1 has become famous as a porn hosting site:
http://hosts4porn.com/profiles/ev1.cfm
and
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/thread/140 12 4-1.html (hint why they changed their name from RackShack--their IP address was blackholed for porn spamming)
and
From Wired Magazine:
QUOTE Since mid-September, numerous myNetWatchman participants have received repeated probes on port 135 from a handful of Internet protocol addresses assigned to Everyones Internet (EV1.net), an Internet service provider in Houston, according to Baldwin. The numeric addresses translate into "NetBIOS machine names" that begin with WEBPOPUP and that have appeared in several recent ads, he said...EV1.net officials, who did not respond to interview requests, are investigating the issue, according to Baldwin...Now that spammers have pioneered the Windows Messenger technology, worm writers may be next to target the service, according to Harlan Carvey, a security engineer with a financial services firm..."I'm sure we're going to see spyware or malware that makes use of this," Carvey said. ENDQUOTE
from http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,128 2,55795, 00.html
and
http://jdo.org/hamas.html (That's right: Hamas and the al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade terrorists use EV1 as their ISP and hosting provider)
and
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/02/106 49 88318651.html (hackers and Trojan writers)
k
#END
Truth is definitely stranger than fiction. It would seem that both companies figured that they could get some mileage out of the license deal if they spun it the right way (and the truth and backroom dealing would only stay quiet). After all, reports have it that Marsh and McBride were pal-ling around in California during the past week at a trade show.
Q. You recently made a long-term commitment to Red Hat Enterprise as EV1Servers'
standard Linux OS going forward, and have also begun offering FreeBSD. What
factors guided your decisions on the "OS road map" for EV1Servers for
2004 and beyond?
A.Our number one consideration was long-term stability. For the majority of our
users, web servers are business tools, not unlike phone systems or copy
machines. They expect the equipment to work smoothly, and have no interest in
devoting significant time and attention to frequent updates. We felt that RHE's
12-18 month release cycle and 5-year support timeframe would best meet their
needs.
We also took into account our customers' feedback. While most were strongly
supportive of our selection of RHE, we also received a significant number of
requests for FreeBSD as an alternative. And that's what we now offer.
If you want to be *really* brave, you don't even need a bootloader. Just dd if=vmlinuz of=/dev/hda (or wherever the 1st sector of the 1st disk is on your system). Basically just dumping the kernel image into the boot sector.
Well, I guess I'm "uber l33t" then. Seriously, the most painless way will be to wait for the distros, or contribute to one. Me, I was just impatient and upgraded to 2.6.3 on an otherwise stock Fedora box.
I've actually gotten complete POS units, minus the cash registers themselves, from the local dump/landfill when a few area supermarkets upgraded. You should see the laser tubes in their scanners, among other things... FWIW the card readers all had 68080 chips IIRC, and everything was proprietary serial port type stuff.
True. The sockets API is in SysV. It's also in 4.4 BSD, etc., but it seems that you already know that. This discussion has a great deal of information on this.
Now all I need to do is learn how to be extremely cynical, sarcastic, and coldly technical all at once. But that's just me.
Slashdot Mirror
...Microsoft used the same tactics that Henry Ford did up until the 1930's? The entire US mass market had "standardized" on 1/16-inch screw thread dimensions, with a thread angle of 60 degrees by that time. The upper and lower 1/8 of the thread were truncated. Ford insisted on 1/32-inch dimensions, and the tools sold with new autos conformed to this. The warranties were voided by using non-Ford dealers and tools; people soon discovered new uses for metal files and "standards". IMHO, Microsoft is the "Henry Ford" of the computing industry, and is going through the same growing pains. This only serves to show what a huge shift computing represents.
this thing might just pay its own way. You'd be surprised at what woodworkers (in the US at least) will pay for old growth lumber, especially for hardwoods. Not to mention municipalties on rivers that want their shipping channels cleared out. I've seen people bid thousands of dollars for a single tree. Consider that a hundred years ago, it was not uncommon to see doors made out of a single slab of chestnut, for example; such things are incredibly rare these days.
If you ask a researcher, a coder, a sysadmin, a lawyer, and a businessman what the definition of "winning" is, you'll probably get five different answers, one for each. Or a doctor, or a plumber, etc. ad infinitum.
which restores the mbr to a new condition without touching actual data. Tho I imagine there'd still be a bunch of cleaning up to do.
BillG's gonna be pissed now!
... or does "Portable Media Center" software just not roll off the tongue like "iPod"? Actually I'm wondering why I even care; I do OK either way on Linux.
How much more resilient the natural systems are. We're not dead yet. I hope some AV vendors and AI people are reading this thread.
Another poster has said that careful planning will be required; any "pecking order" in the management chain should come naturally and be agreeable to all. Probably based on everyones perceived strengths and weakness, and co-operation.
Another real-world example: IBM was a family company until Tom Watson Jr. retired .
Running 2.6.4-rc1 here... this is the vuln that motivated the move, besides wanting to get into 2.6 in general.
Yes, I read your entire post. but sarcastically I have to ask, "And porting is illegal*how*?
Assuming the article is true, nobody said it had to be booked to MS. It could be from an individual or a shell company for example. But I actually doubt this article.
Details of SCO claim against AutoZone Authored by: inode_buddha on Wednesday, March 03 2004 @ 10:32 PM EST Right... I would *love* to see them try "All your algorithm are belong to us". Regarding the merit of the actual cases vs public opinion, I would like to remind SCO that your words both in and out of court are and will be compared to your actions. Questions of good faith vs bad faith, and corporate ethics are fair game when one acts and speaks publicly. As an individual I take pains to ensure that my actions and words correspond in such a way that my integrity is difficult to question; people are often shocked to discover that I was telling the truth. As a fictitious person in the form of a corporation, companies including SCO should do likewise. IMHO this is a poor reflection on our society, that truthfulness is not automatically given nor assumed. I take at face value and I give at face value. I expect all my relationships, both business and personal to be likewise, else those relationships are terminated with extreme prejudice. To apply that concept to computing and legal disputes, I've never met a computer that you can BS. It will have bugs and give errors if you try it. Groklaw exists in order to debug the legal system If anyone wants to accuse groklaw of shady dealings or duplicity at any time, please refer them to this post and quote me on it. --- "Truly, if Te is strong in one, all one needs to do is sit on one's ass, and the corpse of one's enemy shall be carried past shortly." (seen on USENET)
Newsome broke this last night about midnight EST on #groklaw, about the new Halloween doc and I had serious doubts whether it should be posted at all until it was verified.
Um, no. She doesn't kill the DB server (mysql) for a freaking story. What's been happening is the DB server gets overloaded in the rush-hour traffic and shuts down. It's probably a direct result of the /. effect and the groklaw regulars attempting to post.
It's even more laughable when you consider that familysearch.org (owned and operated by the church for the benefit of John Q. Public) is hosted on IBM mainframes partitioned into virtual Linux servers. And yes, I'm LDS and I take extreme offense to Darl's/SCO's actions and to the totally misinformed "Mormom-bashing" type posts. If Darl/SCO had true integrity and belief in their actions, they would sue the Church also, IMHO.
You could have fooled me. After all, every employer I've ever had was "the good guy". After about 20 years of this bullshit I said to myself "Wait a munute, they can't all be the good guy, especially not in the exact same field!"
Keeping that in mind if you want to get *really* hairy with that thought, what about the idea that one's ethics are relative to the culture one is in? The corporate culture, even? What's perfectly OK for me might not be OK for you.
If I am to believe this post from groklaw:
0 12 4-1.html (hint why they
8 2,55795, 00.html
6 49 88318651.html (hackers and
Weeding through the noise at Yahoo, I found this from one of the dependable
regulars:
About EV1
by: korbomite
Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Sell 03/01/04 09:36 pm
Msg: 100568 of 100685
EV1 has become famous as a porn hosting site:
http://hosts4porn.com/profiles/ev1.cfm
and
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/thread/14
changed their name from RackShack--their IP address was blackholed for porn
spamming)
and
From Wired Magazine:
QUOTE
Since mid-September, numerous myNetWatchman participants have received repeated
probes on port 135 from a handful of Internet protocol addresses assigned to
Everyones Internet (EV1.net), an Internet service provider in Houston, according
to Baldwin. The numeric addresses translate into "NetBIOS machine
names" that begin with WEBPOPUP and that have appeared in several recent
ads, he said...EV1.net officials, who did not respond to interview requests, are
investigating the issue, according to Baldwin...Now that spammers have pioneered
the Windows Messenger technology, worm writers may be next to target the
service, according to Harlan Carvey, a security engineer with a financial
services firm..."I'm sure we're going to see spyware or malware that makes
use of this," Carvey said.
ENDQUOTE
from
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,12
and
http://jdo.org/hamas.html (That's right: Hamas and the al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade
terrorists use EV1 as their ISP and hosting provider)
and
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/02/10
Trojan writers)
k
#END
Truth is definitely stranger than fiction. It would seem that both companies
figured that they could get some mileage out of the license deal if they spun it
the right way (and the truth and backroom dealing would only stay quiet). After
all, reports have it that Marsh and McBride were pal-ling around in California
during the past week at a trade show.
The tinfoil hat in me says "Follow the money".
OT: Robert Marsh (CEO of E1servers.net) interview Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 01 2004 @ 01:08 PM EST
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/02/03/inter view_ev1servers_ceo_robert_mar
sh.html
Q. You recently made a long-term commitment to Red Hat Enterprise as EV1Servers' standard Linux OS going forward, and have also begun offering FreeBSD. What factors guided your decisions on the "OS road map" for EV1Servers for 2004 and beyond?
A.Our number one consideration was long-term stability. For the majority of our users, web servers are business tools, not unlike phone systems or copy machines. They expect the equipment to work smoothly, and have no interest in devoting significant time and attention to frequent updates. We felt that RHE's 12-18 month release cycle and 5-year support timeframe would best meet their needs.
We also took into account our customers' feedback. While most were strongly supportive of our selection of RHE, we also received a significant number of requests for FreeBSD as an alternative. And that's what we now offer.
If you want to be *really* brave, you don't even need a bootloader. Just dd if=vmlinuz of=/dev/hda (or wherever the 1st sector of the 1st disk is on your system). Basically just dumping the kernel image into the boot sector.
Well, I guess I'm "uber l33t" then. Seriously, the most painless way will be to wait for the distros, or contribute to one. Me, I was just impatient and upgraded to 2.6.3 on an otherwise stock Fedora box.
do what I did - edit /etc/XF86Config so that /dev/psaux becomes /dev/input/mice. Works fine for me.
One thing to like about Linus is his anti-FUD, full discosure style, evident here just IMHO.
I've actually gotten complete POS units, minus the cash registers themselves, from the local dump/landfill when a few area supermarkets upgraded. You should see the laser tubes in their scanners, among other things... FWIW the card readers all had 68080 chips IIRC, and everything was proprietary serial port type stuff.
Amen to this. I wonder how the AV companies such as Symantec Norton will react to this new chip idea.
Maybe the site itself was a spoof to collect $$$? Not that I checked.
Now all I need to do is learn how to be extremely cynical, sarcastic, and coldly technical all at once. But that's just me.