Hey, maybe he had a job to do and existing tools weren't adequate. Or maybe he didn't know about them. Or (likely) it was just something cool to do. In any case, its always refreshing to read a Linus interview; he's got his head on straight and doesn't get full of himself. It puts things into the "real world" perspective. I like the part about how he bought a digital picture frame for his kids pics and found out later that it was running Linux!
What makes anyone think that virtual space will be any different from meat-space? My point is: History is repeating itself. Not because of technological failure or societal collapse, but because of simple human nature . Flame away. Then call me back in 10 years, after you've changed your mind.
" Sun's DBX debugger is an excellent tool (GDB doesn't give you the fork-following options that DBX supports). AFAIK, it only runs on Solaris. Very useful for development of software that requires to fork."
IIRC DBX is the generic SysV debugger, so anything derived from that probably has it. AFAIK that would include AIX, HP-UX, *and* Solaris. And a few zillion others. At least that's what I recall from the O'Reilley book.
OK, you got me there. Personally I consider huge RAM to be anything over 2 gigs (I'm using 1 gig ATM) but the industry seems to use 4 gigs as a cut-off point.
I'm not necessarily considering Windows or Linux at that price point, though I using linux day-to-day. Of course I'd probably install it anyway just for familiarity. Like I said in a previous post, it maybe unfair for me to do that comparison because I'm comparing purpose-built RISC CPU's with commercial UNIXes installed: PA-RISC with HP-UX vs. SPARC with Solaris. Intel wasn't even in that picture (let alone AMD) when I first considered it. So, it was a bad comparison that I made, and I need to look again.
Feature-wise, the SCSI and Wildcat graphics are a big plus; the Xeons might be the close competitor from Intel.
FWIW, the Kayak and the Visualize were the ones that got my attention but that was 18 months ago. I've also looked at SGI and IBM.
Other considerations: I've seen that Linus isn't too terribly crazy about Itanium. PA-RISC support seems "iffy" according to recent kernel builds. Dell has been having support issues offshore. For now, I'll hold onto my money and see what happens in the next few months. FWIW, I *hope* HP continues to "over-engineer" things with Torx screws, Compaq style; those were some of the easiest machines I've ever had to upgrade.
Yes, a Dell is cheaper, and HP probably overcharges. But I think that's an apples-to-oranges comparison since the HP I looked at had PA-RISC cpu's, *huge* RAM, and HP-UX installed. I'd be surprised if Dell had something similar (not that I looked). IOW, I was looking at mid-range to high-end workstations. FWIW they went from $6k to $12k USD, intended for CAD, modelling, and scientific work.
Well I'm not familiar with Sun products at all (links appreciated) but did you see the asking price for HP Visualize workstations? This could compete with that it seems. I'd bet its a very narrowly focused product.
True. I was just pointing out that color TV was available in the 1950's in large US cities. They were very expensive, in fact.
But I'm also trying to say that the whole copyright thing is not new; they just call it the "DMCA" now, and complain about p2p. DRM may be used to enforce it or something. They probably have the PATRIOT act somewhere in this mess too.
Just to give you some perspective on it: my grandmother bought her Motorola color TV (27") in 1697. My brother *still* uses it, working fine. ISTR color was introduced about 1955 (my uncle worked for a RCA repair shop).
Getting back on topic, the Xerox copier went through the same thing in the '70's, I remember actually seeing authors and publishers picket against the machines at K-Mart.
Thanks for the memories *sniffle* Dunno about you, but I still remember one summer morning when Walter Cronkite made an announcement and showed a guy walking on the moon...
Makes sense to me. I would've thought that something as embedded as a phone would need the smallest possible, but maybe they've advanced a bit while I wasn't looking.
Not that I disagree (since I'm not an expert or anything) but I thought that the important issue is "How many bytes of mem does it use at runtime? How is it linked?" regardless of how many lines it takes to write it. There's a pretty cool article about that stuff here.
"Selling a license to a technology that you do not own is serious fraud "
I'm *sure* that SCO knows this, and that they never had any intention of actually trying such a thing. Which means they're just FUD'ing. Basically running interference and blocking, like in football.
Heatsinks without fans? Does anybody still do those? One box I have here pulls about 70 watts per CPU using aluminum wide-fin sinks and *no* fans. The HDD noise is greater. FWIW cost-wise I picked it up on E-bay a couple years ago for $150 USD. And no, performance does *not* suck for day-to-day desktop apps (sorry, not a gamer). Does anybody still design shiznit like that?
What Alan Cox thinks of this? He specifically chooses not to travel to the US because of the DMCA. What about the SuSE guys? What do they say, especially now that Novell bought them? I know they all lurk here, could they comment?
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"Bottom line...the negativity needs to go out of OSS. Linux cannot have the banner, "Microsoft Sucks! and use us because...Microsoft Sucks!" and hope to really make it into the desktop arena. OSS and Linux needs a banner of, "Hey our system works, has fewer viruses, easy to use, and it will do any thing Windows will do, except play games."
And to the "any thing you can do, I can do for free" dot communist crowd: In order to make Linux viable, its going to need programs written for it like games, quickbooks, quicken, adobe products, that people are willing to spend money on and need before it will truely be accepted main stream."
Preach it, brother! Seriously though. Is it just my imagination, or was there a ton of fanboys left over after the dot-bomb? I use Linux mainly, and I started with BSD earlier this week. I don't see any reason for all the hype that goes on. Anyway, this is the kind of article I've been looking for and the place gets overrun by fanboys and destroys the signal-to-noise ratio. And no, I have no problem with using proprietary apps if I think they'll fit my needs better. They're kinda scarce though.
"Part of the problem with an MS monoculture isn't just a lot of people using Windows, it's a lot of people using Windows + Outlook + IE."
Which means that they really *do* need to get iexplore.exe OUT of the OS. I mean really, isn't the need for that kind of tight bundling long gone with the death of Netscape? Making that *one* move could probably eliminate most of MS security probs, I bet. Just trying to give them a hint here.
There may or may not be a monoculture on the desktop, but IMHO the whole question of UNIX vs. Windows is moot because they're in completely different markets. At least, they were at the time. FYI I actually *did* look into an unrestricted copy of SysV but decided that 50 million USD was a bit much. That's not exactly commodity hardware/software territory. Once you expand your view to include the *entire* OS market (UNIX is generally considered to be mid-level), it puts things into perspective IMHO. It maybe useful a viewpoint in order to solve dumb-fuck problems like virus plagues and security holes on the low end.
True about the reboots, though I believe that MS has the UI nailed. The thing that boggles my mind is that despite having what I consider a very favorable UI, most end-users that I know never update, even if they've heard of updating. Geez, if people want toasters, maybe they should get toasters.
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What about solar ovens using Fresnel lenses and/or mirrors? Would that work?
Hey, maybe he had a job to do and existing tools weren't adequate. Or maybe he didn't know about them. Or (likely) it was just something cool to do. In any case, its always refreshing to read a Linus interview; he's got his head on straight and doesn't get full of himself. It puts things into the "real world" perspective. I like the part about how he bought a digital picture frame for his kids pics and found out later that it was running Linux!
What makes anyone think that virtual space will be any different from meat-space? My point is: History is repeating itself. Not because of technological failure or societal collapse, but because of simple human nature . Flame away. Then call me back in 10 years, after you've changed your mind.
IIRC DBX is the generic SysV debugger, so anything derived from that probably has it. AFAIK that would include AIX, HP-UX, *and* Solaris. And a few zillion others. At least that's what I recall from the O'Reilley book.
I'm not necessarily considering Windows or Linux at that price point, though I using linux day-to-day. Of course I'd probably install it anyway just for familiarity. Like I said in a previous post, it maybe unfair for me to do that comparison because I'm comparing purpose-built RISC CPU's with commercial UNIXes installed: PA-RISC with HP-UX vs. SPARC with Solaris. Intel wasn't even in that picture (let alone AMD) when I first considered it. So, it was a bad comparison that I made, and I need to look again.
Feature-wise, the SCSI and Wildcat graphics are a big plus; the Xeons might be the close competitor from Intel.
FWIW, the Kayak and the Visualize were the ones that got my attention but that was 18 months ago. I've also looked at SGI and IBM.
Other considerations: I've seen that Linus isn't too terribly crazy about Itanium. PA-RISC support seems "iffy" according to recent kernel builds. Dell has been having support issues offshore. For now, I'll hold onto my money and see what happens in the next few months. FWIW, I *hope* HP continues to "over-engineer" things with Torx screws, Compaq style; those were some of the easiest machines I've ever had to upgrade.
Yes, a Dell is cheaper, and HP probably overcharges. But I think that's an apples-to-oranges comparison since the HP I looked at had PA-RISC cpu's, *huge* RAM, and HP-UX installed. I'd be surprised if Dell had something similar (not that I looked). IOW, I was looking at mid-range to high-end workstations. FWIW they went from $6k to $12k USD, intended for CAD, modelling, and scientific work.
Even stranger, what if these were used in criminal cases as evidence?
What if I had a ic of Judge Judy instead? Would *that* get my dead ass on CNN?
Well I'm not familiar with Sun products at all (links appreciated) but did you see the asking price for HP Visualize workstations? This could compete with that it seems. I'd bet its a very narrowly focused product.
True. I was just pointing out that color TV was available in the 1950's in large US cities. They were very expensive, in fact.
But I'm also trying to say that the whole copyright thing is not new; they just call it the "DMCA" now, and complain about p2p. DRM may be used to enforce it or something. They probably have the PATRIOT act somewhere in this mess too.
Woops, 1967. Typo.
Getting back on topic, the Xerox copier went through the same thing in the '70's, I remember actually seeing authors and publishers picket against the machines at K-Mart.
Thanks for the memories *sniffle* Dunno about you, but I still remember one summer morning when Walter Cronkite made an announcement and showed a guy walking on the moon...
Makes sense to me. I would've thought that something as embedded as a phone would need the smallest possible, but maybe they've advanced a bit while I wasn't looking.
think it would be great if we all actually *did* get along just once. If geeks can help that, so much the better!
cool site you have BTW
I'm *sure* that SCO knows this, and that they never had any intention of actually trying such a thing. Which means they're just FUD'ing. Basically running interference and blocking, like in football.
Heatsinks without fans? Does anybody still do those? One box I have here pulls about 70 watts per CPU using aluminum wide-fin sinks and *no* fans. The HDD noise is greater. FWIW cost-wise I picked it up on E-bay a couple years ago for $150 USD. And no, performance does *not* suck for day-to-day desktop apps (sorry, not a gamer). Does anybody still design shiznit like that?
A: Because there's no end to that prick."
Measure twice, cut once.
What Alan Cox thinks of this? He specifically chooses not to travel to the US because of the DMCA. What about the SuSE guys? What do they say, especially now that Novell bought them? I know they all lurk here, could they comment?
And to the "any thing you can do, I can do for free" dot communist crowd: In order to make Linux viable, its going to need programs written for it like games, quickbooks, quicken, adobe products, that people are willing to spend money on and need before it will truely be accepted main stream."
Preach it, brother! Seriously though. Is it just my imagination, or was there a ton of fanboys left over after the dot-bomb? I use Linux mainly, and I started with BSD earlier this week. I don't see any reason for all the hype that goes on. Anyway, this is the kind of article I've been looking for and the place gets overrun by fanboys and destroys the signal-to-noise ratio. And no, I have no problem with using proprietary apps if I think they'll fit my needs better. They're kinda scarce though.
Which means that they really *do* need to get iexplore.exe OUT of the OS. I mean really, isn't the need for that kind of tight bundling long gone with the death of Netscape? Making that *one* move could probably eliminate most of MS security probs, I bet. Just trying to give them a hint here.
There may or may not be a monoculture on the desktop, but IMHO the whole question of UNIX vs. Windows is moot because they're in completely different markets. At least, they were at the time. FYI I actually *did* look into an unrestricted copy of SysV but decided that 50 million USD was a bit much. That's not exactly commodity hardware/software territory. Once you expand your view to include the *entire* OS market (UNIX is generally considered to be mid-level), it puts things into perspective IMHO. It maybe useful a viewpoint in order to solve dumb-fuck problems like virus plagues and security holes on the low end.
The Judge acknowledges that we have a dilemma.
True about the reboots, though I believe that MS has the UI nailed. The thing that boggles my mind is that despite having what I consider a very favorable UI, most end-users that I know never update, even if they've heard of updating. Geez, if people want toasters, maybe they should get toasters.