Thanks for the very informative post; I hope it gets modded up. Unfortunately my attitude isn't improving. I *was* aware of Xerox's "windowing" UI, not to mention inventing the mouse to go along with it. (been around long enough to have used an IBM 608 with punch cards and all...)
Thank $DEITY a judge had some common sense. Thanks for the info, maybe I'll get over it.
IANAL applies to me too; I guess it's just the fact of using pedantry without an ethics to further one's own gain that ticks me off so hard.
For some reason, nothing that BillG and Co. do really surprises me that much anymore, they're all so predictable.
very reminiscent of "kleenex", which probably set the legal precedent for all this. Notice now that there are probably a dozen different manufacturers of "kleenex" in North America... great point you made, BTW.
Just IMHO, adding the term "operating system" would only confuse most users. Not that this is a good thing, it just shows how MS has abused technical literacy (and sheer laziness) to its own ends in North America.
or maybe just becoming truly paranoid. Is it my imagination, or would these legal eagles trademark every possible combination of letters which form intelligible words as defined by an agreed-upon authoritative reference such as the Unabridged Oxford dictionary, if it were possible to do so?
It makes you wonder whose definition of "practical" the legal industry uses, and why on Earth should it prevail?
In the vein of being "practical", just try to read and understand an EULA or a mortgage contract from start to finish without assistance. Buzzards, the whole lot of 'em.
Well, ok maybe I've been reading The Register too much lately...
Interesting... I haven't used opera much, I just tried it out on linux a few times when it first came out. So I really don't know much about it , especially on Windows (I use Mozilla on Linux).
I bet Opera has a bug reporting system, and I'd be looking for something similar in there, or else report it as a new bug and see what happens. Cheers!
No problem... writing isn't easy, most of my friends and family do it, some for a living.
The slashdot crowd is interesting and harsh in its own way; thousands of people and thousands of viewpoints view and judge what you say. Even in this admittedly non-objective forum, it took me 6 months of effort to get my first story posted, and there were plenty of "flames" in response to it.
So, carry on, and I wish you good luck!
ps: my own site is embarrassingly out-of date and soon to be updated (next 72 hours) but here's a link to it: http://steigenlinux.org I'm especially proud of the "Documentation" page
Actually I have a 486/25 in the corner here... I bet it would be good for a LFS (linux from scratch) install, since the whole thing would only be maybe 150Mb...
Hrmmm, excuse me, I've got to log off and try that one out.
I bet a few portscanners would have fun with that one. However, there are other ways to deal with that sort of thing, AFAIK.
I'm happy with my 2.4.19 on my SMP boxes, and I didn't notice any bugfixes that I just *have* to have. Well, I *did* add kernel-pre-empt and the (0)1 patches as soon as they came out....
*sigh* Looks like I'm gonna wait for 2.6, I bet that one really rocks!
Noting with interest that the seldom-read EULA (WinNT) specifically disclaims liability from financial, medical, and nuclear disasters...
So, it's really just six of one, half a dozen of the other as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the real difference is that the one has a static target to sue for damages where the other does not. Not that they'd get anything; after all, liability was disclaimed in both cases!
er, "congressional norms"? After re-reading my local copy of the GPL, version 2, I don't see how using the GPL makes commercial software impossible. Please excuse me while I read the rest of this discussion for clarification. Especially the "actual article" (thanks for the link!)
looking for a link about cold fusion? As a matter of fact, yes, I have at least two. One will require a (paper based only) subscription. Here is the link to relevant info. FWIW, the paper-based subscription will require a link to the magazine, which was founded by Arthur C. Clarke. You might also Google for things related to "Blacklight Power" and "Tesla", since we're still trying to explain a few physics-related things which simply don't fit into the current socio-political scene
this sort of thinking has its uses and indeed is in use everyday. However, won't a lot of it be pre-empted when cold fusion comes out from underground? After all, Mitsubishi heavy industries, among others, is doing cold fusion right now, thanks to the politicization of research in the US.
I recall watching my 3rd grade teachers go to jail because we were allowed a few minutes to pray to all of our various respective deities. They did this to themselves and their careers so we could have that opportunity. As for "legal" forms of expression, I did quite well in English and Art, going on to major in those subjects... wow, I graduated 17 years ago! (feeling old all of a sudden)
No, I doubt anyone would have said much of anything.
The reason why?
Its uses may be distaseful at best, but the OSS/Free Software projects you named were not created to make a buck. [1]
IOW, it's rather shoddy that people (as members of of corporations) will make a buck by contributing the tools used in other people's misfortunes.
[1] For that matter, the entire thing about OSS/Free software vs Big Corporate Software is rather artificial, since OSS/Free Software was never originally intended to compete with the commercial stuff.
Slashdot Mirror
You can do er, "interesting things" with gnutella, mozilla, and bastille-linux. Especially if you know people with broadband and *no* firewall...
/tmp more often)
(hint: start checking
Thanks for the very informative post; I hope it gets modded up. Unfortunately my attitude isn't improving. I *was* aware of Xerox's "windowing" UI, not to mention inventing the mouse to go along with it. (been around long enough to have used an IBM 608 with punch cards and all...)
Thank $DEITY a judge had some common sense. Thanks for the info, maybe I'll get over it.
IANAL applies to me too; I guess it's just the fact of using pedantry without an ethics to further one's own gain that ticks me off so hard.
For some reason, nothing that BillG and Co. do really surprises me that much anymore, they're all so predictable.
very reminiscent of "kleenex", which probably set the legal precedent for all this. Notice now that there are probably a dozen different manufacturers of "kleenex" in North America... great point you made, BTW.
Just IMHO, adding the term "operating system" would only confuse most users. Not that this is a good thing, it just shows how MS has abused technical literacy (and sheer laziness) to its own ends in North America.
or maybe just becoming truly paranoid. Is it my imagination, or would these legal eagles trademark every possible combination of letters which form intelligible words as defined by an agreed-upon authoritative reference such as the Unabridged Oxford dictionary, if it were possible to do so?
It makes you wonder whose definition of "practical" the legal industry uses, and why on Earth should it prevail?
In the vein of being "practical", just try to read and understand an EULA or a mortgage contract from start to finish without assistance. Buzzards, the whole lot of 'em.
Well, ok maybe I've been reading The Register too much lately...
Interesting... I haven't used opera much, I just tried it out on linux a few times when it first came out. So I really don't know much about it , especially on Windows (I use Mozilla on Linux).
I bet Opera has a bug reporting system, and I'd be looking for something similar in there, or else report it as a new bug and see what happens. Cheers!
No problem... writing isn't easy, most of my friends and family do it, some for a living.
The slashdot crowd is interesting and harsh in its own way; thousands of people and thousands of viewpoints view and judge what you say. Even in this admittedly non-objective forum, it took me 6 months of effort to get my first story posted, and there were plenty of "flames" in response to it.
So, carry on, and I wish you good luck!
ps: my own site is embarrassingly out-of date and soon to be updated (next 72 hours) but here's a link to it: http://steigenlinux.org
I'm especially proud of the "Documentation" page
Actually I have a 486/25 in the corner here... I bet it would be good for a LFS (linux from scratch) install, since the whole thing would only be maybe 150Mb... Hrmmm, excuse me, I've got to log off and try that one out.
Actually, your site may be one of the most intelligent things I've read all week... I bookmarked it for later, after I get done reading slashdot
hrmmmm.... "ignore SYN with RST set."
I bet a few portscanners would have fun with that one. However, there are other ways to deal with that sort of thing, AFAIK.
I'm happy with my 2.4.19 on my SMP boxes, and I didn't notice any bugfixes that I just *have* to have. Well, I *did* add kernel-pre-empt and the (0)1 patches as soon as they came out....
*sigh* Looks like I'm gonna wait for 2.6, I bet that one really rocks!
Hey, could someone *PLEASE* mod this up as score +2, Informative? I just learned something from this that could prove very important in the future...
(keep liability disclaimers in mind
to stay on-topic)
Cool point, may I try and reinforce it?
here goes:
"I do hereby disclaim thee, O liability"
Noting with interest that the seldom-read EULA (WinNT) specifically disclaims liability from financial, medical, and nuclear disasters...
So, it's really just six of one, half a dozen of the other as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the real difference is that the one has a static target to sue for damages where the other does not. Not that they'd get anything; after all, liability was disclaimed in both cases!
er, "congressional norms"? After re-reading my local copy of the GPL, version 2, I don't see how using the GPL makes commercial software impossible. Please excuse me while I read the rest of this discussion for clarification. Especially the "actual article" (thanks for the link!)
er, thank you for making my point better than I did :/
Uh, look again. 7th paragraph, last sentence.
Thanks for the link, there's an interesting quote there: "...if it is GPL based, then proprietary companies cannot directly benefit from it."
;)
I will leave the various conclusions to the slashdot readership... this out to be interesting
go to this link and have a look at their links for development, theory, and tech papers. Now try to disprove it. 'Nuff said, part 2....
IMHO, perhaps they are both correct, and it all depends on how you look at it/what you are looking for
IANAP == I am not a physicist
looking for a link about cold fusion? As a matter of fact, yes, I have at least two. One will require a (paper based only) subscription. Here is the link to relevant info. FWIW, the paper-based subscription will require a link to the magazine, which was founded by Arthur C. Clarke. You might also Google for things related to "Blacklight Power" and "Tesla", since we're still trying to explain a few physics-related things which simply don't fit into the current socio-political scene
this sort of thinking has its uses and indeed is in use everyday. However, won't a lot of it be pre-empted when cold fusion comes out from underground? After all, Mitsubishi heavy industries, among others, is doing cold fusion right now, thanks to the politicization of research in the US.
I recall watching my 3rd grade teachers go to jail because we were allowed a few minutes to pray to all of our various respective deities. They did this to themselves and their careers so we could have that opportunity. As for "legal" forms of expression, I did quite well in English and Art, going on to major in those subjects... wow, I graduated 17 years ago! (feeling old all of a sudden)
to you comment about "guns don't kill people..."
Yeah, I'm thinking this whole discussion is exactly the same argument. Been there, done that. Agreed.
I've met a few other people who seem to think that the entire world needs to conform to their viewpoint, namely, everyone.
Damn good point! Somebody, please mod this up +2, Insightful!
No, I doubt anyone would have said much of anything.
The reason why?
Its uses may be distaseful at best, but the OSS/Free Software projects you named were not created to make a buck. [1]
IOW, it's rather shoddy that people (as members of of corporations) will make a buck by contributing the tools used in other people's misfortunes.
[1] For that matter, the entire thing about OSS/Free software vs Big Corporate Software is rather artificial, since OSS/Free Software was never originally intended to compete with the commercial stuff.
Actually, that's a cool idea for a business to start up IMHO, that sort of thing is long overdue...
Hrmmmm.....
?????
Profit!!!