Yup. Same thing with freon. After the patent expired, it became an evil environmental hazard here. Good thing Dow had a convenient replacement refrigerant!
Talk about a misinformed opinion. Let's deal with the actual facts, shall we? Please.
The Freon® family of refrigerants were banned some 40-50 years after their patents expired.
There were no replacement refrigerants available at the time the ban was enacted. DuPont and others had to scramble to meet the deadline.
There are lots of chemicals (e.g., propane) that would make ideal refrigerants were it not for the little problem of them being either highly toxic or highly explosive. The problem was not in finding a substitute gas; the problem was in finding a lubricating oil for the compressors that would work with the replacement refrigerant.
The insinuation that DuPont was somehow behind the ban is just plain trolling.
"Somehow, attempting an argumentum ad misericordiam - a basic liberal trait - is a 'liberal' thing to conservatives. It's funny, really. The grandparent is a 'beautiful' illustration of the rational mindset."
Your post would indicate we just decided to ban it for no worthwile reason.
Yes, that's exactly what happened.
It was banned because of a single flawed "study" -- which had already been disproven -- which claimed that DDT was causing raptors' shells to soften.
Here we are forty-some years later, and first-world environmental extremists are STILL committing the moral equivalent of mass murder in the Third World via this misanthropic ban.
What do you want to bet that Mr. Gates never mentioned THAT little inconvenient truth in his presentation?
Me too. Too bad the new GE doesn't actually work. I get this:
We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed.
This is a bug in the program, and should never happen under normal
circumstances. A bug report and debugging data are now being written
to this text file:/home/#######/.googleearth/crashlogs/crashlog-E6127C3A.txt
This bug report will be sent to Google automatically next time you run
Google Earth.
This is the most important reason why cloning of humans is completely unacceptable.
Actually, there is one reason why human cloning IS totally acceptable, and it trumps all of your "not acceptable" reasons.
I once worked for a man whose secretary was the most babe-licious ever. OMG she was eye candy; I could have stared at her for hours if I could've gotten away with it.
Of course, she had a boyfriend. ALL the good-looking ones are already taken, and always by some asshole who has more money than you do. Damn.
I remember thinking that if I could just get a DNA sample... and if they made like 500,000 copies of her... maybe, just maybe, they would run out of rich assholes for her to date, leaving ME with a chance at one of them.
As I said, totally trumps all your reasons not to clone. Hell, I'd even settle for an "imperfect clone," depending on just where that "imperfection" might be....
And in the end, the only real answer is : "Because it makes me happy"
But you also need the follow-on supporting thought: "And my happiness is more important than everybody else's."
Excuse me, but in the examples cited in the GP (going to a fancy restaurant, buying expensive shoes, building wealth etc.) have nothing to do with diminishing anyone else's happiness.
And that's related to the reason why I'm getting such a kick out of reading this thread -- especially the naysayers. Hey, if you don't want a cloned dog, DON'T BUY ONE! If someone else wants one, it's no skin off of your ass. It's none of your business what kind of pet someone else wants; just move on and fuggettaboutit OK?
Discover has REALLY gone downhill since Disney took over. In fact, that's when I quit taking the mag.
I mean, really. We're treated to ridiculous non-science phrases such as "Still suffering from the heat, the planet...." and "...the planet cools. But it's not enough. It's never enough."
A gas giant with no life "suffers". KA-WACK!!
Pablum such as this is why I quit reading Discover a decade ago.
There's only one thing I would really like to know: Whose 53 days are we talking about? The planet in question, or Earth's? They can't even be bothered to say "53 Earth days" or "53 of the planet's days."
So... every kind of faith-based junk science and wacky end-time fearmongering is acceptable as long as it's not the creationists' peculiar brand of same?
Just how in the Hell is that "restoring science to its rightful place", again?
Individual rights should never be subject to the tyranny of the majority.
You're right of course, but it's still funny how indivudual rights and the "tyranny of the majority" never seem to bother the Left when it's THEIR agenda being pushed.
Campaign finance law isn't about the speech, it's about the money.
I take it that you also believe in the Tooth Fairy?
Looks like you lost track of the ball in the shell game that resulted in the passage of McCain-Feingold. It was never about money. It was about suppressing political speech, and that's ALL it was ever about.
And yes, you really ARE prohibited from saying "[Vote | Don't vote] for Senator Smith" unless you're a member of Sen. Smith's staff or you're a journalist.
Wait, wait - global warming legislation crushes liberty? Security theatre obviously does, but how does environmental legislation do it?
If you're honestly not aware of the liberty-crushing aspects of "environmental" legislation (and not just trolling), then you haven't been paying attention.
It is such a huge destroyer of liberty that I don't even know where to start. Perhaps others will jump in and help; otherwise I'll spend a couple of hours thinking about how to condense it to a size that would be appropriate here, and hopefully post something coherent later.
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Yup. Same thing with freon. After the patent expired, it became an evil environmental hazard here. Good thing Dow had a convenient replacement refrigerant!
Talk about a misinformed opinion. Let's deal with the actual facts, shall we? Please.
The insinuation that DuPont was somehow behind the ban is just plain trolling.
"Somehow, attempting an argumentum ad misericordiam - a basic liberal trait - is a 'liberal' thing to conservatives. It's funny, really. The grandparent is a 'beautiful' illustration of the rational mindset."
There, fixed that for you.
Your post would indicate we just decided to ban it for no worthwile reason.
Yes, that's exactly what happened.
It was banned because of a single flawed "study" -- which had already been disproven -- which claimed that DDT was causing raptors' shells to soften.
Here we are forty-some years later, and first-world environmental extremists are STILL committing the moral equivalent of mass murder in the Third World via this misanthropic ban.
What do you want to bet that Mr. Gates never mentioned THAT little inconvenient truth in his presentation?
Can't wait to see how that looks.
Me too. Too bad the new GE doesn't actually work. I get this:
Maybe it will run on my Mac.
This is the most important reason why cloning of humans is completely unacceptable.
Actually, there is one reason why human cloning IS totally acceptable, and it trumps all of your "not acceptable" reasons.
I once worked for a man whose secretary was the most babe-licious ever. OMG she was eye candy; I could have stared at her for hours if I could've gotten away with it.
Of course, she had a boyfriend. ALL the good-looking ones are already taken, and always by some asshole who has more money than you do. Damn.
I remember thinking that if I could just get a DNA sample... and if they made like 500,000 copies of her... maybe, just maybe, they would run out of rich assholes for her to date, leaving ME with a chance at one of them.
As I said, totally trumps all your reasons not to clone. Hell, I'd even settle for an "imperfect clone," depending on just where that "imperfection" might be....
Hell, if she's hot, clone the ex! The new one doesn't have to know anything about the old one....
And in the end, the only real answer is : "Because it makes me happy"
But you also need the follow-on supporting thought: "And my happiness is more important than everybody else's."
Excuse me, but in the examples cited in the GP (going to a fancy restaurant, buying expensive shoes, building wealth etc.) have nothing to do with diminishing anyone else's happiness.
And that's related to the reason why I'm getting such a kick out of reading this thread -- especially the naysayers. Hey, if you don't want a cloned dog, DON'T BUY ONE! If someone else wants one, it's no skin off of your ass. It's none of your business what kind of pet someone else wants; just move on and fuggettaboutit OK?
If you went to a funeral of a 10-year old child, would you tell the parents "I know exactly how you feel, my poodle just died" ?
Why, yes! I said that just last week to my neighbors when their kid died right after he'd killed my beloved poodle.
For example, some cow farmers actually massage their meat with electric massagers....
Well, where I come from most of them massage their meat with the cow herself.
But my GF massages her meat with one of those electric massagers, and it definitely does make her more tender!
Discover has REALLY gone downhill since Disney took over. In fact, that's when I quit taking the mag.
I mean, really. We're treated to ridiculous non-science phrases such as "Still suffering from the heat, the planet...." and "...the planet cools. But it's not enough. It's never enough."
A gas giant with no life "suffers". KA-WACK!!
Pablum such as this is why I quit reading Discover a decade ago.
There's only one thing I would really like to know: Whose 53 days are we talking about? The planet in question, or Earth's? They can't even be bothered to say "53 Earth days" or "53 of the planet's days."
What a load of crap.
at least they're not creationists.
So... every kind of faith-based junk science and wacky end-time fearmongering is acceptable as long as it's not the creationists' peculiar brand of same?
Just how in the Hell is that "restoring science to its rightful place", again?
Why don't you move your troglodyte ass out to Kiribati
You mean those islands that are sinking into the ocean as Ring-of-Fire volcanoes pull the magma out from under them?
Oh, yeah, that REALLY proves that the Global Warming Myth is true, doesn't it?
Especially from a Chief Justice who really has no comprehension of the Constitution actually means...
What is this all about? What has Roberts done to get so many people here saying this?
He said that he would, "restore science to its rightful place."
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. All of his "science" appointees believe fervently in the Global Warming Myth.
Finally someone with a fricken brain!!!
And like every liberal -- a shiny new one, 'coz it's NEVER BEEN USED!
One of the new words coming to the 2010 edition of Webster's Dictionary:
Obasm.
Individual rights should never be subject to the tyranny of the majority.
You're right of course, but it's still funny how indivudual rights and the "tyranny of the majority" never seem to bother the Left when it's THEIR agenda being pushed.
Funny, isn't it, how the Left is all in favor of Democracy... ...until the will of the People is against their agenda?
So don't go through the automated process. Send them to Microsoft's Security Bulletin Search and they can search for the updates by hand.
Ri-i-i-i-i-ght. We both know that most people won't go to that much work.
Instead, they'll wait until they're Pwnd, then throw their hands up in the air and go buy a new PC.
A new PC running Windoze, of course.
Shaking my head in disbelief while quoting Shakespeare: "What fools these mortals be!"
And you can't figure out why you're getting modded as a troll. Breathtaking, absolutely breathtaking.
No, a strawman misstates your argument.
Which is exactly what you did.
This ends our discussion.
I bet she can do a thousand things you cannot.
Nine hundred and ninety of which require a vagina....
Campaign finance law isn't about the speech, it's about the money.
I take it that you also believe in the Tooth Fairy?
Looks like you lost track of the ball in the shell game that resulted in the passage of McCain-Feingold. It was never about money. It was about suppressing political speech, and that's ALL it was ever about.
And yes, you really ARE prohibited from saying "[Vote | Don't vote] for Senator Smith" unless you're a member of Sen. Smith's staff or you're a journalist.
I;m a fiscal conservative, but when so-called fiscal conservatives push through income tax cuts, that just raise our national debt.
No, they don't. Tax cuts INCREASE tax revenue, as was proved by Kennedy, Reagan and Bush (43).
What raises our national debt is SPENDING, not tax cuts.
Wait, wait - global warming legislation crushes liberty? Security theatre obviously does, but how does environmental legislation do it?
If you're honestly not aware of the liberty-crushing aspects of "environmental" legislation (and not just trolling), then you haven't been paying attention.
It is such a huge destroyer of liberty that I don't even know where to start. Perhaps others will jump in and help; otherwise I'll spend a couple of hours thinking about how to condense it to a size that would be appropriate here, and hopefully post something coherent later.