Exactly. In this case Sony is releasing full developer tools for the PS2-Linux. They want you to develop for it. I don't see anyone doing that with camcorders or scanners or telephones.
Yes, Linux makes sense in certain cases, but certainly not all cases. In those cases that embedded Linux is preferable, you'll find that the device is designed to be hacked on, not a black box.
Embedded Linux not only makes great headless devices (like the ones you encountered) but also great user-land devices.
Kiosks running custom shells in X Handheld computers (Zaurus, LiPaq) Digital cameras
The list of possibilities is endless. The size of the companies who are doing this type of thing is small, though. Reason being that a device maker like Sony does not want to have to be required to offer up the source to every Tim, Mike, and Taco who comes along and reminds them of their GPL responsibilities. That's why larger companies may flirt with Linux, but they choose either a home-grown OS, VxWorks, or WinCE in the final tally.
You don't need to be Kreskin to see that Embedded Linux is not dying.
Hell, just about all the C/C++ magazines went out of business as well. It basically means that readers are eschewing print magazines for online magazines.
Although I'd be quite upset if DDJ went out of business. It makes some of the best toilet reading material, not to mention the ads that are great for wiping in a pinch.
The people who use encryption that are not part of a gov't agency or involved in secret projects within companies are abusing their rights.
Universal use of encryption is exactly the kind of thing that allows terrorists to flourish. When it becomes impossible to tell the difference between a letter to Auntie Micheal or a memo from Osama, terrorist groups will find it too easy to send their encrypted information back and forth in plain sight.
As long as we can keep unnecessary encryption to a minimum, we have a chance to nip terrorism in the bud. Otherwise, we have basically shirked our duties to protect our families.
Encrypters should be licensed by the government and anyone who encrypts without license should be investigated.
The thing about the Mac is that it hides all the complexity pretty deep down. The trouble with that is if you have a serious problem, you really can't troubleshoot the thing yourself. The good thing is that the OS is designed to make it easy for the user to get in and do stuff right away.
I don't think the problem is with Linux itself, and I probably shouldn't have phrased it that way. Rather, the problem lies in the cryptic and difficult to use Unix system. Students shouldn't be allowed to delve into the OS like most others here are suggesting. Instead, they should be encouraged to do their task and get off the machine as soon as possible. The rough edges evident in every Unix-workalike makes it virtually impossible to do this. The Mac OSX shell is a vast improvement laid upon the Unix kernel which is the reason I'd not call it a Unix-workalike.
In short, Unix is fine for those tasks that programmers need a stable system, but it is wholly unsuited for teaching kids.
anyone who's grown up on a complex and responsive system like Linus
Linux really is too complex to ever be useful to a normal user. The glorified typewriter is exactly what a computer is to the majority of people. Sure it can do other things (and is doing other things behind the scenes for the user like formatting, etc), but all the user needs to know is whether to press button A or button B. In short, I really like the responsiveness of Linus, but I could do without the complexity.
It really irks me to have to stay up half the night listening to him cry about how selfish a lover I am. For chrissakes, I'm putting my dick in his ass! Does he think I don't think it's a little gross?
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Like silkworms moths (I'm sure there's a better word). These moths cannot mate on their own because their bodies are too unwieldy after having been bred over a couple thousand years. Without Man, they simply would cease to exist, at this point.
Doubtful. You'll only teach them that computers are 'hard' and useful only in behind-the-scenes processing.
Windows and Mac environments lead them to explore their creativity (Mac especially) without needing to fuck around with an OS that fights you at every turn.
Teach them Linux and watch the future of computers die.
Could it be possible that the move towards "Free Software" is a result of its cost effectiveness rather than any particular sin of Microsoft? When you calculate the cost of licenses to cover an entire school district, $50 (if you buy an COTS version of RedHat, for example) beats $75 (guessing) x # of seats.
The kids still will be ill-prepared to work in any normal job, though, as Linux is nowhere near standard in the real life world.
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You want to send packets from one NIC and catch them on another? Why not use two machines?
Exactly. In this case Sony is releasing full developer tools for the PS2-Linux. They want you to develop for it. I don't see anyone doing that with camcorders or scanners or telephones.
Yes, Linux makes sense in certain cases, but certainly not all cases. In those cases that embedded Linux is preferable, you'll find that the device is designed to be hacked on, not a black box.
you make funnel cakes from sperm
I used to and your mom loved them, but I had to give it up. The boiling oil splashing out wasn't good for my foreskin.
Embedded Linux not only makes great headless devices (like the ones you encountered) but also great user-land devices.
Kiosks running custom shells in X
Handheld computers (Zaurus, LiPaq)
Digital cameras
The list of possibilities is endless. The size of the companies who are doing this type of thing is small, though. Reason being that a device maker like Sony does not want to have to be required to offer up the source to every Tim, Mike, and Taco who comes along and reminds them of their GPL responsibilities. That's why larger companies may flirt with Linux, but they choose either a home-grown OS, VxWorks, or WinCE in the final tally.
eljonline has Browser lock-in enabled. It appears that one cannot simply back out of a page. Hmm...
Bad eljonline!
You don't need to be Kreskin to see that Embedded Linux is not dying.
Hell, just about all the C/C++ magazines went out of business as well. It basically means that readers are eschewing print magazines for online magazines.
Although I'd be quite upset if DDJ went out of business. It makes some of the best toilet reading material, not to mention the ads that are great for wiping in a pinch.
We tell other countries what to do, they do it.
It's called Pax Americana and it's been the international order since 1990.
The people who use encryption that are not part of a gov't agency or involved in secret projects within companies are abusing their rights.
Universal use of encryption is exactly the kind of thing that allows terrorists to flourish. When it becomes impossible to tell the difference between a letter to Auntie Micheal or a memo from Osama, terrorist groups will find it too easy to send their encrypted information back and forth in plain sight.
As long as we can keep unnecessary encryption to a minimum, we have a chance to nip terrorism in the bud. Otherwise, we have basically shirked our duties to protect our families.
Encrypters should be licensed by the government and anyone who encrypts without license should be investigated.
Good points, all.
The thing about the Mac is that it hides all the complexity pretty deep down. The trouble with that is if you have a serious problem, you really can't troubleshoot the thing yourself. The good thing is that the OS is designed to make it easy for the user to get in and do stuff right away.
I don't think the problem is with Linux itself, and I probably shouldn't have phrased it that way. Rather, the problem lies in the cryptic and difficult to use Unix system. Students shouldn't be allowed to delve into the OS like most others here are suggesting. Instead, they should be encouraged to do their task and get off the machine as soon as possible. The rough edges evident in every Unix-workalike makes it virtually impossible to do this. The Mac OSX shell is a vast improvement laid upon the Unix kernel which is the reason I'd not call it a Unix-workalike.
In short, Unix is fine for those tasks that programmers need a stable system, but it is wholly unsuited for teaching kids.
I was pointing out how bizaare the situation was. And yes, this goes back quite a few months.
The Director can't access the organization's records? Bizaare.
Probably a good indication of why ICANN is euphemistically called ICANT.
Hee hee. You're so cute when you get like that!
Can't accept the obvious fact of inferiority, can you woman?
Who's talking about kids? I'm talking about all ordinary users. They have no need to waste their time learning a new language, much less Perl.
If the alternative is to waste time learning another language, then yes, I'll take the etch-a-sketch.
There's a lot to be learned about user-friendliness from the etch-a-sketch.
It's like an imaginary convention except you're not the only loser there.
Seriously, they also provide features that let users make tools to use the database. Those tool-making features are called bash and perl.
Neither of which are graphical nor easy to use in any way. Better luck next time.
anyone who's grown up on a complex and responsive system like Linus
Linux really is too complex to ever be useful to a normal user. The glorified typewriter is exactly what a computer is to the majority of people. Sure it can do other things (and is doing other things behind the scenes for the user like formatting, etc), but all the user needs to know is whether to press button A or button B. In short, I really like the responsiveness of Linus, but I could do without the complexity.
It really irks me to have to stay up half the night listening to him cry about how selfish a lover I am. For chrissakes, I'm putting my dick in his ass! Does he think I don't think it's a little gross?
Like silkworms moths (I'm sure there's a better word). These moths cannot mate on their own because their bodies are too unwieldy after having been bred over a couple thousand years. Without Man, they simply would cease to exist, at this point.
Doubtful. You'll only teach them that computers are 'hard' and useful only in behind-the-scenes processing.
Windows and Mac environments lead them to explore their creativity (Mac especially) without needing to fuck around with an OS that fights you at every turn.
Teach them Linux and watch the future of computers die.
Fade in: Geeks huddled around microwave oven
All Singing: Oh say can you see...
Geek 1: Bruce, can you grab another Windows CD, this one's shot!
Could it be possible that the move towards "Free Software" is a result of its cost effectiveness rather than any particular sin of Microsoft? When you calculate the cost of licenses to cover an entire school district, $50 (if you buy an COTS version of RedHat, for example) beats $75 (guessing) x # of seats.
The kids still will be ill-prepared to work in any normal job, though, as Linux is nowhere near standard in the real life world.
Ah yes. A tax on smart people.
You can't spell goatse.cx without the CS!
I can think of the children falling out of the roller coaster during these low-speed loops.