How stupid am I? Well, I am smart enough not to throw derogatory remarks just because I am better informed than some other person.
Ok, what I mean to say that neither altavista nor yahoo have gotten the idea. And somehow alltheweb, while far simpler than, say, altavista is just not as lightweight as google. Google has some links that I have no need of, and there is nothing else I would require on it's interface. Then how come even a fairly lightweight search engine has more links and widgets than google?
The CEO of SearchKing is trying to force Google into a position where they will either have to give him a huge stack of cash or they will have to reveal more detailed secrets about the workings of PageRank in court.
So there must be a way to fight this? Frivoulous lawsuit? Counter lawsuit?
At any rate, not to diminish the PageRank algorithm, but I think the even more important secret of google (sssshh, don't tell anyone) is that they do not have broken layouts/javascript/advertizments that jump in your face when you browse query results. Interestingly enough, no other major search engine used THAT strategy yet...:)
Oh, please... moderators, this is not quite insightful. Have you actually read a description of the incident that was longer than two sentences?
How hot is "abnormally" hot? I, for one, like my coffee rather warm.
Abnormally hot is 10 or 20 (Farenheit, but translates in 5/9 into Celsius) ABOVE the temperature everywhere else where cofee is served.
If you burn yourself on the oven at home, would you sue the manufacturer of the oven?
Your analogy is missing some crucial parts. If you burn yourself on the oven at home, and the oven uses a higher temperature than all other manufacturers. Moreover, the incidents have happened, and the oven manufacturer was warned and has reason to believe that it was due to his exceedengly high temperatures used... Well, would you sue now?
Anyways, look it. I used to post links explaining this, but no more. google it.
Elcomsoft eventually was acquitted. Nothing has been done to compensate Dmitry Sklyarov for the time he spent behind bars.
EXACTLY! I think many people have absolutely missed the point! Dmitriy Sklyarov and Elcomsoft DID NOT WIN the trial. All they did was to AVOID PUNISHMENT in various ways. Dmitriy cut a deal and was able to do so only thanks to widespread public support and to a testimony he was forced to produce. Elcomsoft was acquited mostly 'cause they did not understand the implication of DMCA. As you mentioned, Dmitryi was not compensated and the Elcomsoft product was declared ILLEGAL. I would not call this a victory...
...without trusted hardware (which is not going to come along until consumers start trusting the companies)
which, in turn, is not going to happen until hell freezes over... Some (especially the./ readers:) don't even trust the government enough... much less companies. I think companies know that well enough and are looking for other ways that do not require building customer trust.
Gamespot also offers members only access, as well as free parts to their sites.
Maybe no one else feel that way, but I have a problem with gamespot/filespy(whatever the other one with member access is called), etc... And the problem is that they do NOT seem to provide ORIGINAL content. I do not feel that I should pay gamespot to download a game demo! I think that the creator of the game should pay gamespot and have it posted freely if they have any interest in selling the game to me...
The only people who should be concerned about the "sometimes your are the hog" issue, are people who 'are the hog' on average. If, on the average, you are 'not the hog', you won't get bit very badly. The biggest byte gobblers will pay the most.
Aha... And the only people that have problems with all the DRM restrictions are the pirates... Suppose one day a hacker takes over your machine and uses it to host a large file for P2P... what do you think the cable company will do?
I suspect that very few clients (such as games or vide streaming clients) minimize the bandwidht used... you leave one of these things overnight and it can screw you over by feeding ads all night...
ten minutes of comercials before a movie I payed to watch starts
Actually, believe it or not, this is a matter of perspective. I would hate to see commercials before the movie, but previews (which is what you mean, I think) are actually good... I enjoy watching previews - that's the only way I learn what new movies are about... I would even pay.50c or $1.00 for a 10 previews of the movies that might interest me. (Not to mention that occasionally, if the movie is bad, all the interesting parts and worthy jokes are actually concentrated in the preview!)
People actually read their spam?
I tend to read spam now. It is almost as good as daily joke subscription... Things like "get privacy and free porn with our software" in one email are truly amusing...:)
We've already gotten one court case to show that if there are legitimate reasons for a product, and no wilful intent to make a tool for breaking the law, the product should be legal under the DMCA (IANAL).
You just don't get it, do you? The fact that a slashdot reader is so clueless, goes to show that public is a long way from being informed. Have you READ that article??
THE PRODUCT IS NOT FSCKING LEGAL BY JURY'S DECISION!. The product of ElcomSoft was CLEARLY illegal to the jury. The issue at hand was whether ElcomSoft intended to violate the law and they were not guilty BECAUSE they DID NOT INTEND to break the DMCA with that product.
Let me repeat it again: ElcomSoft was not guilty of breaking DMCA, BUT THEIR PRODUCT IS CLEARLY ILLEGAL
decades of complacency have led to actors like Mel Gibson making 20 million off a single movie... That's just *not* right.
You were making good points up until now. Keep Mel Gibson and his salary out of this. His salary nothing to do with issue of fair use copying or even the copyright extension! I think most of people here are jealous or something...
This sounds like Robin Hood -- take from the rich, give to the poor. US is operating under capitalism and this is a logical and fair result.
Fair use loss is bad. Unchecked copyright extension is bad. Actors making a lot from the movies is ok, since this is a salary dictated by the market. That is how much he IS WORTH. Now, things like jacked up movie prices (9 bucks!) and high rental fees might be bad. but not the high salary that results for some good actors!
Trust me, since it isn't actually that hard the "average user" will learn how to dd a disk if they want copies and have a computer.
I think the reality is different. The "average user" will NOT learn anything. They only know things that have been around for over 5 years and are used by everybody as to force them to use it as well. This is does not even imply that I feel superior to the "average user". In fact I tried to rip a DVD and gave up after an some effort. Sure I bet I could do it, but I haven't so far...
People want to be able to copy but they will NOT learn new things to do it...
Quite a few people still don't know how to operate a VCR or a microwave, damn it...
Which is their whole problem. Stuff like this enables casual piracy. If its a hassle at all, most people will just rent from blockbuster, or buy it.
How difficult is it to copy a video-tape? Pretty easy... casual I would say. Do you still use blockbuster? Do you still even... gasp... BUY video-tapes? sure. so the argument is not that simple. (plus a blank DVD costs like a couple of bucks or so, I think)
Not that piracy is the only use for this software. Lots of people like to backup what they buy (yea right)
I have read a lot of opinions to the contrary... DVDs are *notoriously* fragile. as in they can die from a scratch. Not to mention that I would appreciate being able to make a CD-R copy to 1) store the file on my hard drive (easier access) 2) use the CD-R to take my movie over to my dad's house where he only has a CD drive on his computer.
Anyone with any skills at all can copy DVD disks without this software.
Ehm, you're missing the point. Anyone with slashdot (ting) skills can copy the software if they are willing to go through some hassle. But slashdot readers are a tech-minority everywhere but here on slashdot. All these things are relevant because this software allows the "average user" to legally (for $50) make a DVD copy. Hopefully 321 Stidos will win.
is what completely escapes me. The software captures the stream after it has been decoded by a valid player. There is no encryption that is being broken...? It is almost like suing someone for using a video camera to record a rented movie on TV
Since when does DMCA make it illegal to make copies in general? I believe it only applies to breaking copyright protection...? I am hoping this will be tossed quickly or am I missing something?
Parent could not be more correct! The RTFM! attitude seems prevalent throughout the Linux communities. I am still not sure why that is. Maybe the developers/users feel that if they are to become to user-friendly and not screen people on their perceptivness and RTFM-abilities they would be corrupted and their product would become identical to MS Windows? I still wonder...
Mandrake hangs on my machine during the install so I can't tell much about it... but I do know that it took me a while to figure out the location of CD images (true for other distros as well). Yeah, I am sure it is obvious to all of you, but it was not to me. And manuals in all Linux distros tend to skip obvious things! And these are exactly the things not obvious to newbies like me.
As a side note -- vi is a strange editor. Not to say bad, but strange -- having to actually do something (switch to insert mode) in order to start typing makes it really weird for me. I am really used to emacs, so I would recommend that. I also heard really good things about kate.
So, if you don't like it, download the docs, and write your own.
Sure... and if you don't like the laws, become a congressmen or better yet a president and change them. Or, if you don't like the games in store -- just write your own that's better
This is not a very constructive stance. Very few people will seriously write their own media player. I suspect large percentage of slashdot readers is capable of this, but still few would be willing/able to dedicate the neccesary resources, time and effort. So your suggestion is not very helpful, is it?
No, no no. Quick time trailers are *bad*. Your reference to windows media player seems to be talking about the *streaming* version of trailers on the new windows media player. That is also bad...
What I am usually looking for (and rarely finding) is an AVI/MPEG movie that I can download and play with the *old* windows media player without any streaming.
Quicktime you can download but it is a fairly horrendous client on windows... They do not support rightclick (heritage of the one-button mouse is showing) and they DO NOT DO FULL SCREEN MODE!
Parent might be a troll, but he makes a valid point. If you are already prepared to carry some device on you, you might as well have the data *on* that device... So not only is it safe from someone's tampering, but stays with you if the laptop is stolen alltogether...
What does it actually encrypt? All sensitive data? I doubt it could do that in 5-6 seconds.
It probably encrypts your passwords.txt so that the thief of the laptop can not compromize your *other* accounts including that porn site one... Or maybe it is really smart and it keeps both copies of your data -- encrypted and unencrypted. The second you walk away the unencrypted copy is erased:) Dunno about the decryption part happening in 5 seconds though... undelete?
I have very similar feelings about T2... (dunno about crying, but the plot was good... and action/special effects were good...) big rarity.
Seeing that Cameron is no longer in on this one and that the movie is no longer about the future and skynet but rather a rehash (T1000 replaced with T-X, but other than that I see no changes... and while reuse is good, futuristic skynet fighting would fit better with the series I think...). Note that T2 was not simply a rehash of T1 since the idea was *different*. I was wondering about T3 for a while (and the best I came up with was to have T-1000 protecting John Connor this time:)
Ehm, moderators? How is this offtopic? I find it quite relevant to the discussion.
As far as Ooblek's brother -- this is the determination that I tend to admire. I think such persistent people may improve things in our world. Few people who screw others come to understand that screwing people is bad.. only if they are taught in a hard way. If he sued the nursery for 1M dollars it would have been even more effective...
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Ok, what I mean to say that neither altavista nor yahoo have gotten the idea. And somehow alltheweb, while far simpler than, say, altavista is just not as lightweight as google. Google has some links that I have no need of, and there is nothing else I would require on it's interface. Then how come even a fairly lightweight search engine has more links and widgets than google?
So there must be a way to fight this? Frivoulous lawsuit? Counter lawsuit?
At any rate, not to diminish the PageRank algorithm, but I think the even more important secret of google (sssshh, don't tell anyone) is that they do not have broken layouts/javascript/advertizments that jump in your face when you browse query results. Interestingly enough, no other major search engine used THAT strategy yet... :)
... the X10 webcam. :)
How hot is "abnormally" hot? I, for one, like my coffee rather warm.
Abnormally hot is 10 or 20 (Farenheit, but translates in 5/9 into Celsius) ABOVE the temperature everywhere else where cofee is served.
If you burn yourself on the oven at home, would you sue the manufacturer of the oven?
Your analogy is missing some crucial parts. If you burn yourself on the oven at home, and the oven uses a higher temperature than all other manufacturers. Moreover, the incidents have happened, and the oven manufacturer was warned and has reason to believe that it was due to his exceedengly high temperatures used... Well, would you sue now?
Anyways, look it. I used to post links explaining this, but no more. google it.
EXACTLY! I think many people have absolutely missed the point! Dmitriy Sklyarov and Elcomsoft DID NOT WIN the trial. All they did was to AVOID PUNISHMENT in various ways. Dmitriy cut a deal and was able to do so only thanks to widespread public support and to a testimony he was forced to produce. Elcomsoft was acquited mostly 'cause they did not understand the implication of DMCA. As you mentioned, Dmitryi was not compensated and the Elcomsoft product was declared ILLEGAL. I would not call this a victory...
which, in turn, is not going to happen until hell freezes over... Some (especially the ./ readers :) don't even trust the government enough... much less companies. I think companies know that well enough and are looking for other ways that do not require building customer trust.
Maybe no one else feel that way, but I have a problem with gamespot/filespy(whatever the other one with member access is called), etc... And the problem is that they do NOT seem to provide ORIGINAL content. I do not feel that I should pay gamespot to download a game demo! I think that the creator of the game should pay gamespot and have it posted freely if they have any interest in selling the game to me...
Aha... And the only people that have problems with all the DRM restrictions are the pirates... Suppose one day a hacker takes over your machine and uses it to host a large file for P2P... what do you think the cable company will do?
I suspect that very few clients (such as games or vide streaming clients) minimize the bandwidht used... you leave one of these things overnight and it can screw you over by feeding ads all night...
Actually, believe it or not, this is a matter of perspective. I would hate to see commercials before the movie, but previews (which is what you mean, I think) are actually good... I enjoy watching previews - that's the only way I learn what new movies are about... I would even pay .50c or $1.00 for a 10 previews of the movies that might interest me. (Not to mention that occasionally, if the movie is bad, all the interesting parts and worthy jokes are actually concentrated in the preview!)
People actually read their spam?
I tend to read spam now. It is almost as good as daily joke subscription... Things like "get privacy and free porn with our software" in one email are truly amusing... :)
You just don't get it, do you? The fact that a slashdot reader is so clueless, goes to show that public is a long way from being informed. Have you READ that article??
THE PRODUCT IS NOT FSCKING LEGAL BY JURY'S DECISION!. The product of ElcomSoft was CLEARLY illegal to the jury. The issue at hand was whether ElcomSoft intended to violate the law and they were not guilty BECAUSE they DID NOT INTEND to break the DMCA with that product.
Let me repeat it again: ElcomSoft was not guilty of breaking DMCA, BUT THEIR PRODUCT IS CLEARLY ILLEGAL
You were making good points up until now. Keep Mel Gibson and his salary out of this. His salary nothing to do with issue of fair use copying or even the copyright extension! I think most of people here are jealous or something...
This sounds like Robin Hood -- take from the rich, give to the poor. US is operating under capitalism and this is a logical and fair result.
Fair use loss is bad. Unchecked copyright extension is bad. Actors making a lot from the movies is ok, since this is a salary dictated by the market. That is how much he IS WORTH. Now, things like jacked up movie prices (9 bucks!) and high rental fees might be bad. but not the high salary that results for some good actors!
I think the reality is different. The "average user" will NOT learn anything. They only know things that have been around for over 5 years and are used by everybody as to force them to use it as well. This is does not even imply that I feel superior to the "average user". In fact I tried to rip a DVD and gave up after an some effort. Sure I bet I could do it, but I haven't so far...
People want to be able to copy but they will NOT learn new things to do it... Quite a few people still don't know how to operate a VCR or a microwave, damn it...
How difficult is it to copy a video-tape? Pretty easy... casual I would say. Do you still use blockbuster? Do you still even... gasp... BUY video-tapes? sure. so the argument is not that simple. (plus a blank DVD costs like a couple of bucks or so, I think)
Not that piracy is the only use for this software. Lots of people like to backup what they buy (yea right)
I have read a lot of opinions to the contrary... DVDs are *notoriously* fragile. as in they can die from a scratch.
Not to mention that I would appreciate being able to make a CD-R copy to 1) store the file on my hard drive (easier access) 2) use the CD-R to take my movie over to my dad's house where he only has a CD drive on his computer.
I meant copy the DVD, not the software :)
Ehm, you're missing the point. Anyone with slashdot (ting) skills can copy the software if they are willing to go through some hassle. But slashdot readers are a tech-minority everywhere but here on slashdot. All these things are relevant because this software allows the "average user" to legally (for $50) make a DVD copy. Hopefully 321 Stidos will win.
Since when does DMCA make it illegal to make copies in general? I believe it only applies to breaking copyright protection...? I am hoping this will be tossed quickly or am I missing something?
Mandrake hangs on my machine during the install so I can't tell much about it... but I do know that it took me a while to figure out the location of CD images (true for other distros as well). Yeah, I am sure it is obvious to all of you, but it was not to me. And manuals in all Linux distros tend to skip obvious things! And these are exactly the things not obvious to newbies like me.
As a side note -- vi is a strange editor. Not to say bad, but strange -- having to actually do something (switch to insert mode) in order to start typing makes it really weird for me. I am really used to emacs, so I would recommend that. I also heard really good things about kate.
... is why a desk lamp is missing from the list of components :) These lamp-like macs would probably be the most fun ones to build...
Sure... and if you don't like the laws, become a congressmen or better yet a president and change them. Or, if you don't like the games in store -- just write your own that's better
This is not a very constructive stance. Very few people will seriously write their own media player. I suspect large percentage of slashdot readers is capable of this, but still few would be willing/able to dedicate the neccesary resources, time and effort. So your suggestion is not very helpful, is it?
What I am usually looking for (and rarely finding) is an AVI/MPEG movie that I can download and play with the *old* windows media player without any streaming.
Quicktime you can download but it is a fairly horrendous client on windows... They do not support rightclick (heritage of the one-button mouse is showing) and they DO NOT DO FULL SCREEN MODE!
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On both mozilla and netscape 4.77. I am all out of browsers since I don't want to fire up VMWare...
Parent might be a troll, but he makes a valid point. If you are already prepared to carry some device on you, you might as well have the data *on* that device... So not only is it safe from someone's tampering, but stays with you if the laptop is stolen alltogether...
It probably encrypts your passwords.txt so that the thief of the laptop can not compromize your *other* accounts including that porn site one... :) Dunno about the decryption part happening in 5 seconds though... undelete?
Or maybe it is really smart and it keeps both copies of your data -- encrypted and unencrypted. The second you walk away the unencrypted copy is erased
Seeing that Cameron is no longer in on this one and that the movie is no longer about the future and skynet but rather a rehash (T1000 replaced with T-X, but other than that I see no changes... and while reuse is good, futuristic skynet fighting would fit better with the series I think...). Note that T2 was not simply a rehash of T1 since the idea was *different*. I was wondering about T3 for a while (and the best I came up with was to have T-1000 protecting John Connor this time :)
I am no longer so optimistic
As far as Ooblek's brother -- this is the determination that I tend to admire. I think such persistent people may improve things in our world. Few people who screw others come to understand that screwing people is bad.. only if they are taught in a hard way. If he sued the nursery for 1M dollars it would have been even more effective...
Please mod the parent up.