Offtopic - but with regards to your sig - go check out darwin2k.
Its a little interesting that you are getting them fro, Linux boxes- maybe you are right - some guys deliberately hacking.. Or maybe you are just picking up NAT based IP's which wont ID as windows either - and may even be unix based NAT servers.
Aww man - where the hell was that? Jeez - I missed out by one year on the AI department getting DACTA mindstorms kits as well.. On the whole my uni is seen as a bit shite - except for CS, AI and Performign Arts(I had nothing to do with the latter - well maybe a few of the ladies). In other areas the university was seen as a no-brainer(I failed my A-Levels - lets go to mdx)...
I once wrote a game - text adventure game albeit, using ashton tate DBase and the built in script(similar to clipper- I think an ancestor of). I recon you could write one of them in Cobol. Hell man - I seen an adventure game in pure MSDOS batch script, make script.. etc..
But dont expect to make quake... My final year project (on the PS) was 2 games - I did an awful 3d FPS, and a 2D game which was ace - great sound, atmosphere and nice graphics- it played just like Alien Breed 'cept with evil robots instead of Aliens. Sony funded our university - but no more - they have got rid of kit all in favour of all out DirectX stuff.
A fund for superhot lawyers for free software. Lets use lawyer clout to get MS off everyones backs - including Lindows. Lets file claims against all these file format patents that have never been enforced until now. I will put my money down for it- if the FSF community- and all its backers could turn up to a court along with funding for superhot lawyers - maybe we can legally outmanouver - and if not - then get even better lawyers... It seems that money has more clout than sense or legality anyway - fine lets pump it into a community kitty - solely owned by no-one - and managed purely by majority vote of FSF users. Maybe we will need to enforce some restriction to stop pro MS people scuppering the democratic process there - like only allowing a linux based client for the voting - and applying some kind of clause that makes it entirely ILLEGAL to run it on a closed source OS.
I know this all sounds far fetched - but we need to watch our backs - it looks like the corp's are lashing out at the moment - terrified that we are shaking their very foundations.
Why is this modded as insightful? I would say this is extremely informative. I have just taken a lok at these(not having come accross them before). And Milkshape looks like something I am gonna ahve a play with. I will let you know what i think....
Some universities do offer MAX experience - but on a cv it cannot compare to actual commercial experience. But then how many people can afford a full version of Visual Studio for learning D3D, or even less likely a PS2 Tool for learning PS2 development. As far as I can tell- the only way to get into PS2 coding is to have a good games CV already and get lucky - at least in my experience, and anyone who has worked with it will know that it takes a fair while.
I was lucky enough to go to a uni that had both Max, Visual Stu(with all the extras) and a room full of Yaroze's(yes I know outdated but its still a good start towards Sony hardware- and it was 3 years ago).
Of course theres always other ways to do these things - like the number of people with Warez MAX/Maya/Vis Stu Ent or a homegrown PS/DC dev system(I havent seen a homegrown PS2 dev system yet).
Linux has already shown to be more stable, and when interfacing with custom hardware - then given the nature of linux, writing interface drivers would be a lot easier - at least you iknow what is going on in the low level - under windows anything - unless you work for MS, you can only take a wild stab at wtf they are doing under the hood. I certainly wouldnt trust ANY closed source OS for this kind of app. Fine- the code Volvo develop for this will be theirs, proprietory - their business and trade secrrets - but the only close source they should consider is their own IN HOUSE closed source. And no I dont trust OS/2 or Mac Os's for these kind of apps for the very same reason. Ever read the disclaimers at the back of Windows manuals?(I was bored okay) The one Ms wrote themselves about not using their OS with Nuclear power stations, air traffic control etc... Running a cars safety systems would fall into that category - and MS Windows - ANY MS Windows based OS is unsuitable for it.
I hope the guys saying it may be trolling or hoax are right... Or this would be a safety nightmare..
Do you know its not unusual for an aeroplane computer system to be rebooted mid-flight. I seem to remember a fairly exhaustive article on the fact that this statistic is pretty bad - but they have enough backup and contingency systems for this to be a perfectly safe operation...At least so they claim...
Of course- when you are 30,000 feet+ in the air, with 10s of kilometers of open space(unless it crashes during takeoff or landing and then your scr3wed) its not a big deal to reboot. But when you are at 70+Mph on a busy motorway/autobahn/freeway in a car that could be instantly fatal.
It would sit nicely next to a PS2 TOOL then- the PS2 on steroids....
I thought it looked more like a PS2 on acid..
I would like CD backwards compatibility etc.. but to be honest the fact that it is spun, takes more than my pockets worth of space, is easily scratched kinda positions me all for some kind of smartcard sized technology. How long before we get multi-gb smart cards?Or better still multi terra-byte. Nice...
And I dont neccesarily stipulate what technology will be behind these - just that I hope we get there.
Sorry - us Europeans really dont understand imperial - they stopped teaching it in schools about 15 years ago. We are lucky if we understand 12 inches = 1 foot. I have absolutely no idea how imperial weights work.
But then as posted above, who in their right mind would use a non-SI unit for scientific purposes anyway?
Hmmm... I do like the link in your sig... Perhaps I need to seed some Chaos around merry london....
Like theres not enough of it already though- tube strikes tomorrow..yay- and I still gotta go to work... Yay...
Holomemory is the future.. I really think that motorised heads are so backwards. Maybe we should also be moving towards using linear motors for those which still retain mechanical heads.
Considering the number of problems I have trying to balance various systems accessing the same CD/DVD drive and heads and streaming from them in the project I am working on - I have learned to hate the fact you have to move the heads..And no- I dont have any room to increase the buffer sizes - they are maxed out already...Multiple audio streams, multiple texture streams and a couple of mpeg and vertex streams thrown in for extra fun.. Yuck..
Fair enough... You see- I remember some on-board graphics cards which would still use 2-8mb when disabled. Yes okay its not much but it's still waste. I am good to hear that it will not use that.
When it is enabled, its not a problem - because from the way I understand it, this board uses memory bus technology that means the system RAM is fast enough for sharing with the graphics chip-that is - it doesnt slow down the Geforce. Other competitors with integrated graphics solutions just dont have this kind of edge, Making this chipset stand out far ahead of them.
I dont half wish they would... One thing I miss of the socket 7 days was standardisation... Fine they can builder bigger faster chips and outdo each other in the internals, but why not have standard busses and socket interfaces for them? After all wasnt it concepts like that the made the whole microcomputer feasable in the first place?
S100 anyone?(I am not suggesting to use that - just as a point of historical reference).
But why throw out the entire PC when all you need to replace is the graphics card? Or sound card or even processor? Surely one of the key things about having modular PC's on a tight budget(or even a reasonably generous one at that) is that you can do incremental upgrades to various system components - which although being more expensive in the longer term, allows you to see the benefits of upgrading in the shorter term.
And you dont necessarily have to throw away your old GFX card. Used PC components and consoles have a pretty good used parts market. I let many of my old components go that way if I dont distribute them in my other machines. Though I have hung on to my old consoles.
Why dont we patent as many methods of Digital rights management, music and video encryption and copy control ahead of them, and sue them all for trying to use them...
Hmm.. We havent got long.... What Patents could be exploited to our general advantage - by patenting the use of wordprocessors in documents, or patenting the use of instruction code to control and manage the basic input output systems of a computer. Hehe....
Can the FSF or similar groups file patents?
Unfortunately I am in the UK... So I will leave it to one of you american slashdotters to do it..
I already read that... I was hoping for a much more interesting story - life the exploding Cd rom story...
Some dude I know burned a music CD, then played it for a while in his PC(which I will admit was running pretty hot). He then took it out of the drive, and placed it, sans case on his desk. It then exploded(albeit more like shattered forcibly). I can only assume it was a heat thing.
Maybe an Intelli-eye went up in a shower of sparks....
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Umm... Didnt you read the article? I beleive it said there is an 8x AGP port as well...
So you are not stuck with the MX. And with the other features, its not a bad set-up. As long as the integrated GFX is not set up to use any of your system ram regardless to wether its enabled or not.
You know- there was a point when I wondered when we would be seeing a prewired VGA port(and other video out options) with a ZIFF socket for different GPU's much like we do our CPU's. There was once a time when a CPU was a whole board. Maybe we will also see graphics DRAM sockets as well... AFAIK the contacts on a CPU slot are much cleaner(both in real physical terms and in terms of noise) than AGP and PCI contacts - so this would be an interesting advance....
However- this could mean buying a specific Mobo and chipset may tie you down to one brand of GPU as well as the CPU ties we already have...
Ummm... The physical slots, and ports are mounted on the motherboard(or through jumpers attached to them), but all of these things need controllers - which will be on the chipset....
Sorry to nitpic - but you mean an AMD processor -AFAIK a Duron would also work with it would it not?
You do wonder if this level of reintegration may mean that the option of buying throw-away single board PC's is being re-explored. Its certainly not what I want, and many slashdotters like me find the idea very repulsive. But it would generate great revenue for manufacturers, and your mother/non-techie PC user would probably love cheap smaller footbprint single board machines.
Does anyone here remember the appeal of the ZX81 being a single board computer?
Of course we must make sure that the hardware seperates market doesnt die....Otherwise what would I tinker with when bored?
You probably paid for such a high end card for a very good reason. But you still can change it, and your soundcard, and your OS.
Yes the X-Box is cheap, but not really when you could probably buy an old out-of-date machine being cast out by some company updating there network for about £50 which will be fully upgradeable and may even be more capable as-is.
I also know a few people kicking themselves for having bought them. Yes Halo is a great looking(note LOOKING) game, but then its not gonna be exclusive for all that long. I also object to the size of the thing....hehe
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Ummm Cable/ADSL companies that require you to use the provided one port router with only one active DHCP address - where you may need to set up one machine as a NAT and firewall.
This was certainly the case with NTL in the UK. I had one workstation, one lappy and another machine I use purely for downloads - I setup the download machine with two PCI ethernet cards for just this purpose.
However this was around 2 years ago, and currently you can now buy ADSL boxes with built-in DHCP, routing and NAT fairly cheaply(I think theres even one that doubles up as a cheap wireless access point).
Which still leaves the Firewall - have you ever seen how expensive an outboard hardware firewall is(given I already have PC's that could do this)? I could set up a seperate software firewall on each machine in the network - but what a pain in the behind when I can set up a machine in no time - then having two ethernet ports is a boon.
However in the case that the user has a standalone system all of this is redundant - but since it is so cheap, and any reasonable OS will allow either port to be used(saving the "Which port" on tech support) I cant see any problem with it being there.
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Offtopic - but with regards to your sig - go check out darwin2k.
Its a little interesting that you are getting them fro, Linux boxes- maybe you are right - some guys deliberately hacking.. Or maybe you are just picking up NAT based IP's which wont ID as windows either - and may even be unix based NAT servers.
Aww man - where the hell was that? Jeez - I missed out by one year on the AI department getting DACTA mindstorms kits as well.. On the whole my uni is seen as a bit shite - except for CS, AI and Performign Arts(I had nothing to do with the latter - well maybe a few of the ladies). In other areas the university was seen as a no-brainer(I failed my A-Levels - lets go to mdx)...
I once wrote a game - text adventure game albeit, using ashton tate DBase and the built in script(similar to clipper- I think an ancestor of). I recon you could write one of them in Cobol. Hell man - I seen an adventure game in pure MSDOS batch script, make script.. etc..
But dont expect to make quake... My final year project (on the PS) was 2 games - I did an awful 3d FPS, and a 2D game which was ace - great sound, atmosphere and nice graphics- it played just like Alien Breed 'cept with evil robots instead of Aliens. Sony funded our university - but no more - they have got rid of kit all in favour of all out DirectX stuff.
A fund for superhot lawyers for free software. Lets use lawyer clout to get MS off everyones backs - including Lindows. Lets file claims against all these file format patents that have never been enforced until now. I will put my money down for it- if the FSF community- and all its backers could turn up to a court along with funding for superhot lawyers - maybe we can legally outmanouver - and if not - then get even better lawyers... It seems that money has more clout than sense or legality anyway - fine lets pump it into a community kitty - solely owned by no-one - and managed purely by majority vote of FSF users. Maybe we will need to enforce some restriction to stop pro MS people scuppering the democratic process there - like only allowing a linux based client for the voting - and applying some kind of clause that makes it entirely ILLEGAL to run it on a closed source OS.
I know this all sounds far fetched - but we need to watch our backs - it looks like the corp's are lashing out at the moment - terrified that we are shaking their very foundations.
Why is this modded as insightful? I would say this is extremely informative. I have just taken a lok at these(not having come accross them before). And Milkshape looks like something I am gonna ahve a play with. I will let you know what i think....
Some universities do offer MAX experience - but on a cv it cannot compare to actual commercial experience. But then how many people can afford a full version of Visual Studio for learning D3D, or even less likely a PS2 Tool for learning PS2 development. As far as I can tell- the only way to get into PS2 coding is to have a good games CV already and get lucky - at least in my experience, and anyone who has worked with it will know that it takes a fair while.
I was lucky enough to go to a uni that had both Max, Visual Stu(with all the extras) and a room full of Yaroze's(yes I know outdated but its still a good start towards Sony hardware- and it was 3 years ago).
Of course theres always other ways to do these things - like the number of people with Warez MAX/Maya/Vis Stu Ent or a homegrown PS/DC dev system(I havent seen a homegrown PS2 dev system yet).
Ummm Okay - why the h3ll use Windows at all?
Linux has already shown to be more stable, and when interfacing with custom hardware - then given the nature of linux, writing interface drivers would be a lot easier - at least you iknow what is going on in the low level - under windows anything - unless you work for MS, you can only take a wild stab at wtf they are doing under the hood. I certainly wouldnt trust ANY closed source OS for this kind of app. Fine- the code Volvo develop for this will be theirs, proprietory - their business and trade secrrets - but the only close source they should consider is their own IN HOUSE closed source. And no I dont trust OS/2 or Mac Os's for these kind of apps for the very same reason. Ever read the disclaimers at the back of Windows manuals?(I was bored okay) The one Ms wrote themselves about not using their OS with Nuclear power stations, air traffic control etc... Running a cars safety systems would fall into that category - and MS Windows - ANY MS Windows based OS is unsuitable for it.
I hope the guys saying it may be trolling or hoax are right... Or this would be a safety nightmare..
Do you know its not unusual for an aeroplane computer system to be rebooted mid-flight. I seem to remember a fairly exhaustive article on the fact that this statistic is pretty bad - but they have enough backup and contingency systems for this to be a perfectly safe operation...At least so they claim...
Of course- when you are 30,000 feet+ in the air, with 10s of kilometers of open space(unless it crashes during takeoff or landing and then your scr3wed) its not a big deal to reboot. But when you are at 70+Mph on a busy motorway/autobahn/freeway in a car that could be instantly fatal.
I know this is extremely poor taste (like the whole thread isnt..)..
But someone should mod this up as funny...
But this is old news- like 2 months old... What gives?
It would sit nicely next to a PS2 TOOL then- the PS2 on steroids....
I thought it looked more like a PS2 on acid..
I would like CD backwards compatibility etc.. but to be honest the fact that it is spun, takes more than my pockets worth of space, is easily scratched kinda positions me all for some kind of smartcard sized technology. How long before we get multi-gb smart cards?Or better still multi terra-byte. Nice...
And I dont neccesarily stipulate what technology will be behind these - just that I hope we get there.
Sorry - us Europeans really dont understand imperial - they stopped teaching it in schools about 15 years ago. We are lucky if we understand 12 inches = 1 foot. I have absolutely no idea how imperial weights work.
But then as posted above, who in their right mind would use a non-SI unit for scientific purposes anyway?
Hmmm... I do like the link in your sig... Perhaps I need to seed some Chaos around merry london....
Like theres not enough of it already though- tube strikes tomorrow..yay- and I still gotta go to work... Yay...
Holomemory is the future.. I really think that motorised heads are so backwards. Maybe we should also be moving towards using linear motors for those which still retain mechanical heads.
Considering the number of problems I have trying to balance various systems accessing the same CD/DVD drive and heads and streaming from them in the project I am working on - I have learned to hate the fact you have to move the heads..And no- I dont have any room to increase the buffer sizes - they are maxed out already...Multiple audio streams, multiple texture streams and a couple of mpeg and vertex streams thrown in for extra fun.. Yuck..
Fair enough... You see- I remember some on-board graphics cards which would still use 2-8mb when disabled. Yes okay its not much but it's still waste. I am good to hear that it will not use that.
When it is enabled, its not a problem - because from the way I understand it, this board uses memory bus technology that means the system RAM is fast enough for sharing with the graphics chip-that is - it doesnt slow down the Geforce. Other competitors with integrated graphics solutions just dont have this kind of edge, Making this chipset stand out far ahead of them.
I dont half wish they would... One thing I miss of the socket 7 days was standardisation... Fine they can builder bigger faster chips and outdo each other in the internals, but why not have standard busses and socket interfaces for them? After all wasnt it concepts like that the made the whole microcomputer feasable in the first place?
S100 anyone?(I am not suggesting to use that - just as a point of historical reference).
But why throw out the entire PC when all you need to replace is the graphics card? Or sound card or even processor? Surely one of the key things about having modular PC's on a tight budget(or even a reasonably generous one at that) is that you can do incremental upgrades to various system components - which although being more expensive in the longer term, allows you to see the benefits of upgrading in the shorter term.
And you dont necessarily have to throw away your old GFX card. Used PC components and consoles have a pretty good used parts market. I let many of my old components go that way if I dont distribute them in my other machines. Though I have hung on to my old consoles.
I have heard it described as such... and I wouldnt mind enlightenment as to why - hence my question mark.
Even more confusing is that poor people dont have the means to use it, and some of the really useful info(not all) requires subscription to view it.
Why dont we patent as many methods of Digital rights management, music and video encryption and copy control ahead of them, and sue them all for trying to use them...
:-P
Hmm.. We havent got long.... What Patents could be exploited to our general advantage - by patenting the use of wordprocessors in documents, or patenting the use of instruction code to control and manage the basic input output systems of a computer. Hehe....
Can the FSF or similar groups file patents?
Unfortunately I am in the UK... So I will leave it to one of you american slashdotters to do it..
I already read that... I was hoping for a much more interesting story - life the exploding Cd rom story...
Some dude I know burned a music CD, then played it for a while in his PC(which I will admit was running pretty hot). He then took it out of the drive, and placed it, sans case on his desk. It then exploded(albeit more like shattered forcibly). I can only assume it was a heat thing.
Maybe an Intelli-eye went up in a shower of sparks....
Umm... Didnt you read the article? I beleive it said there is an 8x AGP port as well...
So you are not stuck with the MX. And with the other features, its not a bad set-up. As long as the integrated GFX is not set up to use any of your system ram regardless to wether its enabled or not.
You know- there was a point when I wondered when we would be seeing a prewired VGA port(and other video out options) with a ZIFF socket for different GPU's much like we do our CPU's. There was once a time when a CPU was a whole board. Maybe we will also see graphics DRAM sockets as well... AFAIK the contacts on a CPU slot are much cleaner(both in real physical terms and in terms of noise) than AGP and PCI contacts - so this would be an interesting advance....
However- this could mean buying a specific Mobo and chipset may tie you down to one brand of GPU as well as the CPU ties we already have...
Ummm... The physical slots, and ports are mounted on the motherboard(or through jumpers attached to them), but all of these things need controllers - which will be on the chipset....
Sorry to be pedantic but since you commented...
Sorry to nitpic - but you mean an AMD processor -AFAIK a Duron would also work with it would it not?
You do wonder if this level of reintegration may mean that the option of buying throw-away single board PC's is being re-explored. Its certainly not what I want, and many slashdotters like me find the idea very repulsive. But it would generate great revenue for manufacturers, and your mother/non-techie PC user would probably love cheap smaller footbprint single board machines.
Does anyone here remember the appeal of the ZX81 being a single board computer?
Of course we must make sure that the hardware seperates market doesnt die....Otherwise what would I tinker with when bored?
Exploding mice... Would you care to explain furthar? This sounds like the stuff of h2g2....
Ummm... I still fail to see your logic there..
You probably paid for such a high end card for a very good reason. But you still can change it, and your soundcard, and your OS.
Yes the X-Box is cheap, but not really when you could probably buy an old out-of-date machine being cast out by some company updating there network for about £50 which will be fully upgradeable and may even be more capable as-is.
I also know a few people kicking themselves for having bought them. Yes Halo is a great looking(note LOOKING) game, but then its not gonna be exclusive for all that long. I also object to the size of the thing....hehe
Ummm Cable/ADSL companies that require you to use the provided one port router with only one active DHCP address - where you may need to set up one machine as a NAT and firewall.
This was certainly the case with NTL in the UK. I had one workstation, one lappy and another machine I use purely for downloads - I setup the download machine with two PCI ethernet cards for just this purpose.
However this was around 2 years ago, and currently you can now buy ADSL boxes with built-in DHCP, routing and NAT fairly cheaply(I think theres even one that doubles up as a cheap wireless access point).
Which still leaves the Firewall - have you ever seen how expensive an outboard hardware firewall is(given I already have PC's that could do this)? I could set up a seperate software firewall on each machine in the network - but what a pain in the behind when I can set up a machine in no time - then having two ethernet ports is a boon.
However in the case that the user has a standalone system all of this is redundant - but since it is so cheap, and any reasonable OS will allow either port to be used(saving the "Which port" on tech support) I cant see any problem with it being there.