If there's money involved and big players (funding) that will be incurring millions of dollars in expense (to say nothing of the medium sized players) why aren't they putting money up instead of the mouth? Create an alternative license and NP organization to manage it. Put a few 100 thousand dollars collectively into lobbying the rights holders directly. We can play cat and mouse with ASCAP/RIAA et al indefinitely, or we can bypass them.
Up to now the problem has been organizing (which takes both time and money) and the hippie stigma (see Creative Commons). I don't see why artists can't protect their rights while allowing limited rights that may be beneficial. Not to sound rude, but divide and conquer.
Preference. I work with Red Hat *in production* (which clients with recognizable names) and it gets the job done. I'd have nothing against using Solaris, AIX or BSD granted a little expected learning curve (hopefully Solaris has gotten nicer since 8). I'm not sure what kind of trouble you may have had, but I've yet to see on OS that makes my life *as* easy as I like it. I like the tools and the support (vendor) supplied by using Red Hat. I've heard plenty of good things about BSD and although Solaris frustrated me about as often as it please me I'm sure that's changed a lot.
I wish I had mod points. Since when is having an opinion (which he was perfect honest about possibly being because of his own misunderstandings) trolling? Because it doesn't suit you? I guess it's easier to write opinions off you dislike then taking them on their merit. But it's cheap and I don't understand how you got modded up. The parent offered an on-topic opinion and even worded it with a little humility. You berate his post and offer very little in terms of discussion. THAT is trolling.
An appropriate post would have simply been informational. Who knows, maybe he would have gone back and tried it? At the very least people would have been able to balance what was his experience with your knowledge. Instead you supply a curt and dismissive remark effectively cutting the conversation.
It's one thing to have a little fun, but here it was done without the companies permission and on the companies dime. I think leaving that out of account it's perfectly harmless, but making the decision to do something like this is no longer limited in scope to you're own personal choice and the potential consequences can be unforeseen and far reaching.
I don't actually hope these guys get into trouble, but I think any of us should understand why they would. I'm sure there are business cultures where this would be okay but Redmond aside I think there are many more where introducing unplanned features is not a wise choice, even just for a chuckle.
Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about servicing them? As it is I'm a server tech but did some work for my boss just last week brining his wifes macbook pro back to life. I'd never worked on a laptop previously and it struck me that it was nicely put together (which made accessing the inside easier then I'd expected.
So anyway, having admitted I am VERY unfamiliar with laptop maintenance, I'm genuinely curious.
While the lab tests that prompted the scare required an amount of Alar equal to over 5000 gallons (20,000 L) of apple juice per day, Consumers Union ran its own studies and estimated the human lifetime cancer risk to be between 5 - 50 per million (1 case per million is the threshold at which the government considers a carcinogen a significant public health concern).
and then:
Whelan's campaign was so effective that today, Alar scare is shorthand among news media and food industry professionals for an irrational, emotional public scare based on propaganda rather than facts.
So if I'm reading it right, Alar scare is term based on the a little sensationalism (bad CBS!) and a lot of spin-doctoring by the ACSH. Alar causes cancer, at least in enough people to be considered an unnecessary risk (personally, I don't see the benefit outweighing the risk even if I wasn't one of the 5-50 unlucky people, at least not for a silly additive).
Why? America is too divided. Let the middle states continue to separate. We all win. They get to embrace their beliefs and values and we get a country that isn't run by them. Perfect.
The shrink-wrap I'd chalk up to theft prevention (it's still returnable). The chance that someone OK'd something that shouldn't have been? Sure, but in my experience I'd guess it's pretty low (plus it's still returnable. For me I guess it just seems like a fair trade-off. Like the occasional dinged/smudged CD I'd buy.
that are obsessed with new being untouched? I used to buy my CD's from a shop that opened them and let you listen, a lot of people I knew wouldn't shop at places like that because they wanted the disk to be absolutely new.
Likewise, when I shop for computer gear I always use a place like Fry's because they have such a reasonable return policy. I've never really blanched at something having been opened that I bought (so long as it's undamaged and works as expected).
That said, the mentioned hard drives might make me a little nervous if they'd been removed from the static bag (and presumably plugged in). But I think that has more to do with the mechanical parts and the fact that I'd have to wipe and reformat the drive (work) for my own peace of mind.
While I agree with you naming probably isn't the road block your naming example really does illuminate how much more clear decent names can make applications (each of those program names is like a word puzzle with the answer clearly part of the name, cue's like that make it easier to *remember* the name and when you hear it provides the cue as to what it does).
You don't talk smack about your own product. Even if they followed the rules there is always going to be at least one hot-head that won't stand for it.
*shrug*
It's usually best to keep your opinions on your companies short comings to yourself or in a more productive setting.
You mean rewrite or drop infringing projects? Sounds like cleaning house to me. Someone said something about the likelihood that Samba would hit in this and how that would actually be beneficial. I'm kind of seeing these developments like that now myself. Samba is awesome because it lets us play with our Windows systems nicer. But the Windows technology we are trying to play with is pretty crumby really, maybe Linux *and* Windows users would benefit from someone getting an itch to scratch?
What I think is a little funny is how close on the heels of the SCO debacle this is. I mean, they bankrolled that, personally I'd at least wait a year or something.
Quote? Billed. Old saying? Billed. Someone *must* have created the English language? Billed.
We could create our own version of the MPAA/RIAA and simply start collecting revenue on behalf of the presumed owners, children of presumed owners or children's children's children of presumed owners.
Do you think he'd see the humor in the true perpetual copyright? We op-ed and submit his bill for the opinion piece. Would he put his money where his mouth is? (:
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Are you sure it isn't a 4^8^15^16^23^42 chance?
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Okay, I miss Lost.
If there's money involved and big players (funding) that will be incurring millions of dollars in expense (to say nothing of the medium sized players) why aren't they putting money up instead of the mouth? Create an alternative license and NP organization to manage it. Put a few 100 thousand dollars collectively into lobbying the rights holders directly. We can play cat and mouse with ASCAP/RIAA et al indefinitely, or we can bypass them.
Up to now the problem has been organizing (which takes both time and money) and the hippie stigma (see Creative Commons). I don't see why artists can't protect their rights while allowing limited rights that may be beneficial. Not to sound rude, but divide and conquer.
FTR I am a small broadcaster.
Preference. I work with Red Hat *in production* (which clients with recognizable names) and it gets the job done. I'd have nothing against using Solaris, AIX or BSD granted a little expected learning curve (hopefully Solaris has gotten nicer since 8). I'm not sure what kind of trouble you may have had, but I've yet to see on OS that makes my life *as* easy as I like it. I like the tools and the support (vendor) supplied by using Red Hat. I've heard plenty of good things about BSD and although Solaris frustrated me about as often as it please me I'm sure that's changed a lot.
I wish I had mod points. Since when is having an opinion (which he was perfect honest about possibly being because of his own misunderstandings) trolling? Because it doesn't suit you? I guess it's easier to write opinions off you dislike then taking them on their merit. But it's cheap and I don't understand how you got modded up. The parent offered an on-topic opinion and even worded it with a little humility. You berate his post and offer very little in terms of discussion. THAT is trolling.
An appropriate post would have simply been informational. Who knows, maybe he would have gone back and tried it? At the very least people would have been able to balance what was his experience with your knowledge. Instead you supply a curt and dismissive remark effectively cutting the conversation.
It's one thing to have a little fun, but here it was done without the companies permission and on the companies dime. I think leaving that out of account it's perfectly harmless, but making the decision to do something like this is no longer limited in scope to you're own personal choice and the potential consequences can be unforeseen and far reaching.
I don't actually hope these guys get into trouble, but I think any of us should understand why they would. I'm sure there are business cultures where this would be okay but Redmond aside I think there are many more where introducing unplanned features is not a wise choice, even just for a chuckle.
Just out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about servicing them? As it is I'm a server tech but did some work for my boss just last week brining his wifes macbook pro back to life. I'd never worked on a laptop previously and it struck me that it was nicely put together (which made accessing the inside easier then I'd expected.
So anyway, having admitted I am VERY unfamiliar with laptop maintenance, I'm genuinely curious.
Look! Shiny!
The "Middle" states have a majority that typically vote pretty different. The coasts tend to vote pretty different.
Why? America is too divided. Let the middle states continue to separate. We all win. They get to embrace their beliefs and values and we get a country that isn't run by them. Perfect.
corporations can afford a lot of peanuts.
Some people say we're vapid. (:
Good old American values!
The shrink-wrap I'd chalk up to theft prevention (it's still returnable). The chance that someone OK'd something that shouldn't have been? Sure, but in my experience I'd guess it's pretty low (plus it's still returnable. For me I guess it just seems like a fair trade-off. Like the occasional dinged/smudged CD I'd buy.
that are obsessed with new being untouched? I used to buy my CD's from a shop that opened them and let you listen, a lot of people I knew wouldn't shop at places like that because they wanted the disk to be absolutely new.
Likewise, when I shop for computer gear I always use a place like Fry's because they have such a reasonable return policy. I've never really blanched at something having been opened that I bought (so long as it's undamaged and works as expected).
That said, the mentioned hard drives might make me a little nervous if they'd been removed from the static bag (and presumably plugged in). But I think that has more to do with the mechanical parts and the fact that I'd have to wipe and reformat the drive (work) for my own peace of mind.
Clam-shells are over rated.
I think the preposterous nature of the heading was a fair give-away that it was a title and not a fact. But...thanks for clearing that up? ;)
While I agree with you naming probably isn't the road block your naming example really does illuminate how much more clear decent names can make applications (each of those program names is like a word puzzle with the answer clearly part of the name, cue's like that make it easier to *remember* the name and when you hear it provides the cue as to what it does).
If only they were that evil. Their the borg, not the dark side. ;)
You don't talk smack about your own product. Even if they followed the rules there is always going to be at least one hot-head that won't stand for it.
*shrug*
It's usually best to keep your opinions on your companies short comings to yourself or in a more productive setting.
The best part is that Microsoft has now become the single best reason *to* embrace the GPL3. And to think I ever had doubted.
That's the same deal internet radio stations get too. You pay copyright (ASCAP/BMI) licensing fees and then royalties. It's a bitch.
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They've been trying to sell this kind of kit to us for years.
You mean rewrite or drop infringing projects? Sounds like cleaning house to me. Someone said something about the likelihood that Samba would hit in this and how that would actually be beneficial. I'm kind of seeing these developments like that now myself. Samba is awesome because it lets us play with our Windows systems nicer. But the Windows technology we are trying to play with is pretty crumby really, maybe Linux *and* Windows users would benefit from someone getting an itch to scratch?
What I think is a little funny is how close on the heels of the SCO debacle this is. I mean, they bankrolled that, personally I'd at least wait a year or something.
Quote? Billed. Old saying? Billed. Someone *must* have created the English language? Billed.
We could create our own version of the MPAA/RIAA and simply start collecting revenue on behalf of the presumed owners, children of presumed owners or children's children's children of presumed owners.
Do you think he'd see the humor in the true perpetual copyright? We op-ed and submit his bill for the opinion piece. Would he put his money where his mouth is? (:
That's exactly what I mean. ...
By hands I meant either hand. Conversational English.