This was done on both sides to speed up the process I guess. If either one or both passed it would go to the other side and a joint committee work out something both sides agree to, and since it was so big, there was a lot of room for differences between what they pass and what the committee pooped out. I'm pretty sure that's what she meant.
So, what was the good reason that they voted on a bill that NOONE (including the authors) had actually read?
Didn't Florida just put in the hotline where you could report "terrorism"? Spy on your neighbors, and report them if they do something you disagree with, eh?
The same lybia you bombed to the grounds to "liberate from tyranny" had on average a better living standar than your beloved america
Hmm, didn't we get into bombing Libya after the French and British started that business?
And then found ourselves supplying bombs to the Brits and French because they started bombing Libya without realizing they didn't actually have enough bombs to finish the job?
The cavalry you mention were primarily marauders and highwaymen which can only loosely be called cavalry
And here I thought I was talking about Gustav Adolph's professional army in the 1600's. Or the British cavalry of the American Revolution. Or the cavalry of the American Civil War (both sides).
Regardless, the purpose of the arm was the destruction of human life.
Yah, that's sort of the purpose of a "weapon", after all.
Just like the spears carried by the Roman Legionnaires were "for the destruction of human life".
Or the swords of the cavalry, the bayonets of the infantry, and on and on and on.
Your point was?
You may wish to note that plinking cans developed somewhat later.
So, you think that soldiers (or highwaymen, for that matter) never practiced with their firearms before they were in combat?
Or perhaps you think that as soon as the first guy built a gun, he aimed it at an enemy and shot him?
Hint: plinking at cans (or whatever the equivalent was in any particular era) is as old as firearms, at least. Arguably, guys practicing with crossbows did it as well....
Except... oh let me think... oh right. SOMEONE WANTING TO HIJACK AN AIRPLANE.
Which you're going to accomplish easily with a low-powered single-shot pistol, right?
I doubt you could even shoot out the lock on the cockpit door with one of these "guns", much less intimidate the crew, passengers, and sky marshal (who will have a REAL gun).
Pistols were first developed in in 16th Century France, their primary use was by highwaymen.
/sighs
Pistols were developed and used so that the cavalry could have an effective gun - impossible to reload a musket from horseback, doncha know?
And pistols were a (along with the sword) primary cavalry weapon from the 16th century till the late 19th, when breechloading carbines removed the necessity to use second-rate weapons like pistols.
Start with public servce type videos for the kids to discourage them playing with guns and get them to head the other way/alert an adult if they see someone else doing so.
Sounds like the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" Gun Safety Training for little kids (defined as pre-K to 4th Grade).
Like if someone commits a crime with one of your printed guns you share the charges.
So, if someone borrows your car, accidently kills seven people, YOU should be brought up on seven counts of manslaughter alongside your (presumably ex-)friend?
If there was empirical evidence that restricting gun ownership seriously limits suicides, mass murders, and tragic domestic violence -- would that make a difference?
Well, that should work out well for them; I mean, it's not like Florida is filled with geriatrics who find everyone under the age of 50 to be suspect, right?
I know it's a joke, but it should be kept in mind that people who retire to FL generally don't stop in the northeast corner of the State. They go on south a ways....
And while he can legally put pressure on Google et al to remove it in Ireland, if someone has put it on any server outside of Ireland (which by now I'm sure they have out of sheer spite)
So, why do you seem to believe that Google's servers are in Ireland? Last I checked, Google had servers on every continent but Africa and Australia...
More sinisterly, this means that someone can shoot the president from farther away, for example, a range of 265 ft, without any training.
265 feet? That's 80 meters! The first time I ever fired a rifle, I was shooting at targets 100 meters away, because that was the shortest range set of targets on that particular range.
Putting a bullet into a human-sized target at 80 meters is gedunk....
Where do you draw the line between what is and isn't a firearm?
Hmm, tough one. I tend to go with the line that if it isn't a personal weapon (as opposed to crew-served), it's not "arms" per the 2nd. In addition, I'd compare it to the standard infantry weapon of the time (which would leave out rocket launchers (till we start issuing rocket launchers as our standard infantry weapon, at least)). Note an exception for a Gyrojet, which is a rocket launcher, but shoots a bullet-sized rocket out of a pistol-shaped rocket launcher.
Does the 2nd Amendment allow (in your mind at least) a citizen to have a rocket launcher or a laser gun?
Soon as the Army starts issuing them as standard service rifles, sure. Well, realistically, they probably won't be available on the civilian market for 10-20 years after the Army starts issuing them, but if every grunt gets one, no reason I shouldn't be able to buy one (assuming I have the funds).
Note, by the by, that I don't expect the Army to EVER issue either as a standard service rifle. A rocket launcher is a wonderful way to say "here I am!!" to everyone in line of sight, so a very bad idea. A laser rifle, if it were appreciably better than a modern rifle would have an ammo pack that looked a lot like a nuclear reactor, or be a single-digit-shot weapon, neither of which the military has all that much use for.
What are you going to do when the technology of simple side arms develops to the point where you an take out a room full of people by pressing a trigger and letting you gun do all the aiming etc..?
Quit shooting for sport. There's no skill involved in pressing a button and letting the gun do the work.
Will it bother me that someone might commit a massacre with such a gun? Not especially - a soldier with a REAL assault rifle (as opposed to the EVVVIIIIIILLL "assault weapon") can do pretty much that now - that's what full-auto is all about.
Note, by the by, that you can do this with a bomb today (and have been able to do so with a bomb for about a century and a half (percussion cap meant no more slow fuses on your bombs)), so it's not like the world is going to be terribly more dangerous then than now.
Would genuinely like to hear from a pro gun NRA type.
Okay, you've heard from an NRA member.
Now, tell me how you'll feel about all those possibilities being true, but only the government gets to use them....
Sure you can, you just have to remember to separate the algorithms for partisanship from race. Race isn't inherently tied to any given political party.
Forget Romney. When was the last time the black vote did NOT go Democratic?
Ditto hispanic vote?
If they could no longer gerrymander districts elsewhere, maybe they'd stop pretending they don't shoulder any responsibility for why blacks aren't voting for them.
You seem unaware that the VRA was a Democrat thing, not a Republican thing. Part of Johnson's Great Society...
Note, by the by, that the VRA does a lot of useful things - outlawing literacy tests for voting was a good enough reason by itself to pass the bill. But the "your districting has to be approved by a Federal Court till the end of time" was a bit beyond the pale....
Do note that not everyone who is offered a bribe actually does what you bribed him/her to do.
Especially politicians, many of whom are notorious for taking money from anyone at all, and voting in fvour of the last guy to "advise" him/her on the subject.
It's never been fair to ask local business to pay the tax and refuse to require it of internet businesses.
So, you think that, say, a French business should have to collect sales tax on behalf of the part of the government of the part of the Parish I live in?
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Which no doubt explains the large number of left-leaning groups that were targeted by the IRS in that time frame...
Oh, wait....
So, what was the good reason that they voted on a bill that NOONE (including the authors) had actually read?
Didn't Florida just put in the hotline where you could report "terrorism"? Spy on your neighbors, and report them if they do something you disagree with, eh?
Hmm, didn't we get into bombing Libya after the French and British started that business?
And then found ourselves supplying bombs to the Brits and French because they started bombing Libya without realizing they didn't actually have enough bombs to finish the job?
And here I thought I was talking about Gustav Adolph's professional army in the 1600's. Or the British cavalry of the American Revolution. Or the cavalry of the American Civil War (both sides).
Yah, that's sort of the purpose of a "weapon", after all.
Just like the spears carried by the Roman Legionnaires were "for the destruction of human life".
Or the swords of the cavalry, the bayonets of the infantry, and on and on and on.
Your point was?
So, you think that soldiers (or highwaymen, for that matter) never practiced with their firearms before they were in combat?
Or perhaps you think that as soon as the first guy built a gun, he aimed it at an enemy and shot him?
Hint: plinking at cans (or whatever the equivalent was in any particular era) is as old as firearms, at least. Arguably, guys practicing with crossbows did it as well....
The YOUNGEST adult in the household??
That's what their methodology specifies, you know.
So in any household they picked that had high school aged kids, odds are good they'd get a high school student.
The mind boggles....
You're wrong about that.
Which you're going to accomplish easily with a low-powered single-shot pistol, right?
I doubt you could even shoot out the lock on the cockpit door with one of these "guns", much less intimidate the crew, passengers, and sky marshal (who will have a REAL gun).
/sighs
Pistols were developed and used so that the cavalry could have an effective gun - impossible to reload a musket from horseback, doncha know?
And pistols were a (along with the sword) primary cavalry weapon from the 16th century till the late 19th, when breechloading carbines removed the necessity to use second-rate weapons like pistols.
Sounds like the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" Gun Safety Training for little kids (defined as pre-K to 4th Grade).
If you see a gun:
1) STOP!
2) Don't Touch.
3) Leave the Area.
4) Tell an Adult.
So, if someone borrows your car, accidently kills seven people, YOU should be brought up on seven counts of manslaughter alongside your (presumably ex-)friend?
No.
Was it the First emperor of China that basically outlawed kitchen knives?
Limited them to one per seven households, or some such nonsense.
When a government wants to "protect" you, they'll go to some extremes to do so, whether you want to be protected or not....
I know it's a joke, but it should be kept in mind that people who retire to FL generally don't stop in the northeast corner of the State. They go on south a ways....
So, why do you seem to believe that Google's servers are in Ireland? Last I checked, Google had servers on every continent but Africa and Australia...
265 feet? That's 80 meters! The first time I ever fired a rifle, I was shooting at targets 100 meters away, because that was the shortest range set of targets on that particular range.
Putting a bullet into a human-sized target at 80 meters is gedunk....
It should be noted that whatsisbutthead who shot up Sandy Hook fired nearly 150 times to get his 26 kills.
At close range. Against helpless targets.
Hmm, tough one. I tend to go with the line that if it isn't a personal weapon (as opposed to crew-served), it's not "arms" per the 2nd. In addition, I'd compare it to the standard infantry weapon of the time (which would leave out rocket launchers (till we start issuing rocket launchers as our standard infantry weapon, at least)). Note an exception for a Gyrojet, which is a rocket launcher, but shoots a bullet-sized rocket out of a pistol-shaped rocket launcher.
Soon as the Army starts issuing them as standard service rifles, sure. Well, realistically, they probably won't be available on the civilian market for 10-20 years after the Army starts issuing them, but if every grunt gets one, no reason I shouldn't be able to buy one (assuming I have the funds).
Note, by the by, that I don't expect the Army to EVER issue either as a standard service rifle. A rocket launcher is a wonderful way to say "here I am!!" to everyone in line of sight, so a very bad idea. A laser rifle, if it were appreciably better than a modern rifle would have an ammo pack that looked a lot like a nuclear reactor, or be a single-digit-shot weapon, neither of which the military has all that much use for.
Quit shooting for sport. There's no skill involved in pressing a button and letting the gun do the work.
Will it bother me that someone might commit a massacre with such a gun? Not especially - a soldier with a REAL assault rifle (as opposed to the EVVVIIIIIILLL "assault weapon") can do pretty much that now - that's what full-auto is all about.
Note, by the by, that you can do this with a bomb today (and have been able to do so with a bomb for about a century and a half (percussion cap meant no more slow fuses on your bombs)), so it's not like the world is going to be terribly more dangerous then than now.
Okay, you've heard from an NRA member.
Now, tell me how you'll feel about all those possibilities being true, but only the government gets to use them....
Ahh, walking to work in DC in the summertime.
Almost as much fun as doing the same in New Orleans....
Coheres?
So, the automakers would bully, threaten and be logically consistent the small business?
Or the automakers would bully, threaten make a whole the small businesses?
I suspect you meant "coerce"...
Gawd, I'm losing my grip on my html tags again. I need some booze...
Alas, still not allowed to have any....
Forget Romney. When was the last time the black vote did NOT go Democratic?
Ditto hispanic vote?
You're obviously unaware of what, exactly, the Voting Rights Act is...
Hint: no Democrat, EVER, will vote for its repeal. If for no other reason than that the gerrymandering by the VRA represents guaranteed Dem votes.
Do note that not everyone who is offered a bribe actually does what you bribed him/her to do.
Especially politicians, many of whom are notorious for taking money from anyone at all, and voting in fvour of the last guy to "advise" him/her on the subject.
So, you think that, say, a French business should have to collect sales tax on behalf of the part of the government of the part of the Parish I live in?
Interesting theory, that.