I kinda suspect that Linux itself might use the "EXE" part to tell the difference between PE-format and elf-format, but I'm not really sure. Ximaian might have only done it that way because "XCOPY Deployment" is a.NET marketing point.
And there was me thinking that "magic numbers" were the way to distinguish the different types of file. I usually run the "file" command when I'm in doubt. Must be getting old:-)
As for the ECMA thing, that's merely the bytecode interpreter. The standards do not cover the class libraries required to write Windows applications. Miguel is sadly mistaken if he thinks that he's going to be able to get enough of that done (without incurring Microsoft's legal wrath) to get general Windows.NET "binaries" to run on Mono.
I suspect that what he'll end up with is a bytecode interpreter and a C# compiler that conform more or less to the standard, and not much more. The rest will be pretty Mono specific. What might be possible, though, is for the Windows people to use the Mono class library...
How does this get people off of Windows and on to Linux/GNOME?
Also, Sun continues to strangle the life out of Java with its grip of death on all aspects of the language + vm. Sun is holding Java back.
So people keep saying, but I don't really see much evidence. You must have heard of gcj and GNU Classpath? What about IBM Eclipse and SWT?
These all address various "issues" that people have with plain Sun Java and tools.
I think Miguel's decision to go for a.NET clone had a lot to do with his personal admiration of Microsoft. Couple that with the fact that Microsoft is pushing.NET heavily as the new official way to develop for Windows, you get the Linux zealots and the Windows people together, hence the apparent explosion in popularity. I say apparent because the hype is bigger than the statistics.
And those people aren't Unix users.
No? Doesn't the "x" permission count as a form of metadata? Or has my friend misinformed me? Or are we arguing over semantics?
I was referring to putting ".exe" on the end of the names of executable files. Some of us have metadata in our filesystems for that sort of thing...
Uninformed zealot. Whats the matter? DO you feel threatened beceuase youre 1337 status for having unreadable code using hungarian notation threatens youre job safety?
If only I were allowed to write code. The nearest I get is the odd bash script and a Makefile once in a while:-(
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The only thing that Mono/.NET has going for it, as far as I can see, is that it is designed to be targetted from multiple languages. Python and Java are both languages and run-time thingies.
It will be a sad say indeed when developers are tied to a specific language for a specific platform just because that is what someone has mandated from on high.
I look forward to the legal and security issues with.NET, Mono and.GNU. We live in interesting times.
Since when does imposing Windows conventions everywhere by force equal "cross platform compatability?"
We have Open Standards and Open Source for that sort of thing already.
We also have Java for the write-once-run-anywhere thing. I fail to believe that.NET/Mono/.GNU will be better or solve any new problems that have not already been solved.
There's even an official Windows port ofn Java, so I'm told...
If only children are tagged, then how would someone using the system know that they are alone in that secluded spot? They could very well be with a parent or some other adult already.
Children grow up into adults. Old people die. Presumably, every year, more children are born and eventually get chipped. Before you know it, everyone alive is chipped.
But if they're even half-way intelligent about it, we'll also know who came into contact with the victim before her death as well.
Yes.
No one seems to have got my point yet.
This does nothing to actually stop the crime taking place in the first place.
In other words this does absolutely nothing to improve the safety of potential victims.
All it does is make it easier to convict the guilty after the crime has been comitted. We already convict people of serious crimes. It does nothing to eliminate these crimes being committed in the first place.
Except the BBC doesn't recieve it's income through taxation, it recieves it from the TV Licencing Authority which collects it on behalf of Her Majesty Queen Elizibeth II, with authority granted via. a Royal Charter.
So I'm a bit wrong. Yes, I know about Channel 4. I still maintain that the TV License is effectively and unfair and unjust tax, whether it's called a tax or not.
I quite like the BBC (at least Radio 4). It's the best thing that the BBC does. However, you can listen to the radio all you like without paying a penny. Where's the justice in that?
However I can only assume you were too busy sitting at the back of the class with the smelly kid, becuase you're largly clueless.
Politics is not a formal subject in British schools. It is barely taught at all. It's barely mentioned, in fact. There are strict laws regarding what techers may or may not say to their pupils. Hinting at political opinions or affiliations in the classroom can get a teacher into a lot of trouble. They can be prosecuted.
Unfortunately, though, they have to "uphold" the State religion.:-(
If killer or rapist hunts just a victim, he doesn't need to know who victim is.
No, but if the potential victim is in isolation, say has wandered off to some secluded spot, and the criminal is using the tracking system, he now has a prime candidate for attack! Someone to abuse and no witnesses. What's the alternative? Security cameras absolutely everywhere being constantly monitored, or police officers everywhere rounding up people who stray from "approved" areas as soon as they deviate? Could you imagine a situation where you walk out of a "monotored area" and within 30 seconds a team of armed police decend and bundle you away back to somewhere "safe" and give you a lecture about "safety and responsibility?"
However, exactly how do you put these RFID tags on to our kids?....Should we inject our kids with RFID tags?....That seems a little far for me, though the though of loosing my little girl does make it seem like an "OK" idea.
All systems are open to abuse. What happens when J. Random Paedophile hacks the system and can use it to choose a victim?
One day Little Girl will become Mature Woman. Will she appreciate having a RFID tag then? 99.9% of people probably will, because of social conditioning. But what happens when J. Random Rapist or Stalker hacks the system and uses it to choose a victim?
Severe legal penalties already do not stop these people. Why would simply knowing someone's whereabouts stop them? At least we'll know where to go to find the body after the event.
Yes it is. The government taxes me via a "TV License" which goes to the Treasury. The Treasury then pays the BBC. The BBC is funded by direct taxation. If you try living without a TV in the UK for any length of time, you will find out that you are harassed by the authorities to the point where you consider getting a TV license just to get them off your back. So, to all intents and purposes, there is a blanket, fixed-fee public broadcasting tax in this country under the guise of a "TV License." Yes, the elderly and visually-impared get a discount...
The point was, the salesdroid gave me the excuse that the reason for the agreement was to "prevent piracy," i.e. they wouldn't sell bare machines because that leads to software piracy. presumably of MS "operating systems."
Needless to say, one can legitimately obtain several Linux distribtions for free and install them on as many machines as you like.
The other thing that this broken Microsoft logic also fails to consider is that Linux and Windows are not the only operating systems that run on x86 hardware. How dare Dell and Microsoft accuse me of intent to pirate software, and how dare they assume that I don't already have ligitimate licenses for operating systems for those machines, or that I don't already have the right to use other software.
The only problem is, the market has become so consolidated that Dell was the best quote on price and service, despite the Microsoft tax. Something is wrong here. The Free Market has broken down. That is the point of the Anti-Trust cases. How dare Microsoft exert such power over us.
FreeDOS was not an option at that time. I'm sure M$ wouldn't have been pleased if Dell had sold me a 4-way Pentium 4 Xeon with 8 gigs of RAM to run FreeDOS anyway....Surely Sir must require some incarnation of Windows 2000 or whatever they try to foist on servers nowadays.
The last time I bought a server and workstations from Dell, I asked for a quote with Windows and with Linux. Linux was more expensive. I asked the salesman why. He said, "Because Linux is more expensive than Windows." You can get Linux for nothing. He wouldn't sell the machines to me without an OS, "because of their agreement with Microsoft." I retorted that the agreement was not legal, and had been ruled as such in court. He replied, "Oh yes it is. I used to work for Microsoft."
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And there was me thinking that "magic numbers" were the way to distinguish the different types of file. I usually run the "file" command when I'm in doubt. Must be getting old :-)
I dare say you could implement a .NET CLR and a C# compiler in Java too, if you were so inclined :-)
I suspect that what he'll end up with is a bytecode interpreter and a C# compiler that conform more or less to the standard, and not much more. The rest will be pretty Mono specific. What might be possible, though, is for the Windows people to use the Mono class library...
How does this get people off of Windows and on to Linux/GNOME?
So people keep saying, but I don't really see much evidence. You must have heard of gcj and GNU Classpath? What about IBM Eclipse and SWT?
These all address various "issues" that people have with plain Sun Java and tools.
I think Miguel's decision to go for a .NET clone had a lot to do with his personal admiration of Microsoft. Couple that with the fact that Microsoft is pushing .NET heavily as the new official way to develop for Windows, you get the Linux zealots and the Windows people together, hence the apparent explosion in popularity. I say apparent because the hype is bigger than the statistics.
And those people aren't Unix users. No? Doesn't the "x" permission count as a form of metadata? Or has my friend misinformed me? Or are we arguing over semantics?
Uninformed zealot. Whats the matter? DO you feel threatened beceuase youre 1337 status for having unreadable code using hungarian notation threatens youre job safety?
If only I were allowed to write code. The nearest I get is the odd bash script and a Makefile once in a while :-(
It will be a sad say indeed when developers are tied to a specific language for a specific platform just because that is what someone has mandated from on high.
I look forward to the legal and security issues with .NET, Mono and .GNU. We live in interesting times.
We have Open Standards and Open Source for that sort of thing already.
We also have Java for the write-once-run-anywhere thing. I fail to believe that .NET/Mono/.GNU will be better or solve any new problems that have not already been solved.
There's even an official Windows port ofn Java, so I'm told...
What about the ones who haven't committed a crime yet?
Children grow up into adults. Old people die. Presumably, every year, more children are born and eventually get chipped. Before you know it, everyone alive is chipped.
Come on people, wake up.
And the RFID people haven't?
Yes.
No one seems to have got my point yet.
This does nothing to actually stop the crime taking place in the first place.
In other words this does absolutely nothing to improve the safety of potential victims.
All it does is make it easier to convict the guilty after the crime has been comitted. We already convict people of serious crimes. It does nothing to eliminate these crimes being committed in the first place.
In other words, a tax.
So I'm a bit wrong. Yes, I know about Channel 4. I still maintain that the TV License is effectively and unfair and unjust tax, whether it's called a tax or not.
I quite like the BBC (at least Radio 4). It's the best thing that the BBC does. However, you can listen to the radio all you like without paying a penny. Where's the justice in that?
However I can only assume you were too busy sitting at the back of the class with the smelly kid, becuase you're largly clueless.
Politics is not a formal subject in British schools. It is barely taught at all. It's barely mentioned, in fact. There are strict laws regarding what techers may or may not say to their pupils. Hinting at political opinions or affiliations in the classroom can get a teacher into a lot of trouble. They can be prosecuted.
Unfortunately, though, they have to "uphold" the State religion. :-(
Once again, the Law is an Ass.
And there was me thinking that prevention was better than the cure. What am I missing?
No, but if the potential victim is in isolation, say has wandered off to some secluded spot, and the criminal is using the tracking system, he now has a prime candidate for attack! Someone to abuse and no witnesses. What's the alternative? Security cameras absolutely everywhere being constantly monitored, or police officers everywhere rounding up people who stray from "approved" areas as soon as they deviate? Could you imagine a situation where you walk out of a "monotored area" and within 30 seconds a team of armed police decend and bundle you away back to somewhere "safe" and give you a lecture about "safety and responsibility?"
So, the President really is from outer space!
All systems are open to abuse. What happens when J. Random Paedophile hacks the system and can use it to choose a victim?
One day Little Girl will become Mature Woman. Will she appreciate having a RFID tag then? 99.9% of people probably will, because of social conditioning. But what happens when J. Random Rapist or Stalker hacks the system and uses it to choose a victim?
Severe legal penalties already do not stop these people. Why would simply knowing someone's whereabouts stop them? At least we'll know where to go to find the body after the event.
Yes it is. The government taxes me via a "TV License" which goes to the Treasury. The Treasury then pays the BBC. The BBC is funded by direct taxation. If you try living without a TV in the UK for any length of time, you will find out that you are harassed by the authorities to the point where you consider getting a TV license just to get them off your back. So, to all intents and purposes, there is a blanket, fixed-fee public broadcasting tax in this country under the guise of a "TV License." Yes, the elderly and visually-impared get a discount...
Such are the budget limitations of state-funded broadcasters.
Needless to say, one can legitimately obtain several Linux distribtions for free and install them on as many machines as you like.
The other thing that this broken Microsoft logic also fails to consider is that Linux and Windows are not the only operating systems that run on x86 hardware. How dare Dell and Microsoft accuse me of intent to pirate software, and how dare they assume that I don't already have ligitimate licenses for operating systems for those machines, or that I don't already have the right to use other software.
The only problem is, the market has become so consolidated that Dell was the best quote on price and service, despite the Microsoft tax. Something is wrong here. The Free Market has broken down. That is the point of the Anti-Trust cases. How dare Microsoft exert such power over us.
FreeDOS was not an option at that time. I'm sure M$ wouldn't have been pleased if Dell had sold me a 4-way Pentium 4 Xeon with 8 gigs of RAM to run FreeDOS anyway....Surely Sir must require some incarnation of Windows 2000 or whatever they try to foist on servers nowadays.
The last time I bought a server and workstations from Dell, I asked for a quote with Windows and with Linux. Linux was more expensive. I asked the salesman why. He said, "Because Linux is more expensive than Windows." You can get Linux for nothing. He wouldn't sell the machines to me without an OS, "because of their agreement with Microsoft." I retorted that the agreement was not legal, and had been ruled as such in court. He replied, "Oh yes it is. I used to work for Microsoft."
OK, I'll admit it. I did like one techno album. It was Live Undeslunky by Ozric Tentacles.
Too darned right. It all went downhill after the Funky Gibbon.
That's even worse, if you conjure one up using evil spirits and black magic :-)