Are't you using an IDE like Eclipse? It compiles in real-time so to speak.
The code I work on the most is a large scientific code that is mostly heavily-templated C++ with lots of dependencies. It can't be compiled "in real time". A full build takes at least an hour, sometime much more, depending on the architecture/OS. Even a very minor change with relatively few dependencies (which, unfortunately, is rarely the case) takes 5 or 10 minutes to re-build the executable. Running a simulation with the code takes anywhere from an hour to a few months. Of course, I usually have something else to work on while I'm waiting, but there's a limit to the number of problems my brain can handle at a given time.
Unless you meant to say build.
Huh? Most folks I know use 'compile' and 'build' interchangeably, except when it's necessary to distinguish between compiling the translation units and linking them.
But he made it pretty clear what "too much time" constitutes. If you're not getting your work done, and are messing around on the net instead, that's too much time. Excessive bandwidth should, however, be quantified.
As for bandwidth, we're not supposed to do anything that negatively impacts the network. We're specifically told not to stream audio or video for personal use.
This is also where my tax dollars are going? I have yet to find something good out of paying taxes.
From your sig: "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something - Plato." Perhaps you should ponder that for a moment. You have no idea what I do, nor how much extra time (salary, no overtime) I put in to make sure it gets done right. Yet because I'm allowed to browse Slashdot while I wait for my code to finish compiling or for a batch job to be scheduled and run (or just to rest my brain because I've been working for weeks to solve a difficult problem), I'm wasting your tax dollars?
I work for a government agency, and we're allowed to use the internet for non-work purposes. In fact, Slashdot was specifically mentioned as an acceptable site to visit on our government-owned computers. The general guidelines are:
-Don't visit porn sites (an automatic firing offense, unless it was truly inadvertent) -Don't do anything for personal profit (checking an eBay auction is okay, running an eBay-based business isn't) -Don't behave unprofessionally -Don't use excessive bandwidth -Don't spend too much time online for non-work reasons (i.e. get your work done)
Back in the day, editing was done by printing the code on paper and working with a punch card deck. The waste paper from this process was educational as it was an example of the best coding available at the time.
You've lost me. How does this relate to the comment you replied to?
Regardless of the morals and ethics, the bottom line is its good skilled and technical jobs for America that include retirement packages and healthcare. Get rid of the nukes and we put 10s of thousands of people out of work. (This is definitely putting my dad out of work.)
RTFA. There won't be any new weapons (no surprise there, since the Reliable Replacement Warhead program was shut down a couple of years ago), but Obama is proposing an increase in funding for the DOE weapons labs.
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Soon? My first Linux tablet was in the mid 80s.
That's impressive. Especially since Linux was created in 1991.
I thought the way punitive damages worked was by saying there this case is one of x but is the only one that has been brought to court therefore your damages can be multiplied by x.
That's not how punitive damages work. Punitive damages, as the name would suggest, are intended as punishment.
We all understand what is going on here, The Won is on record saying the US should be nuke free (stupid!) and is using the Russians as an excuse to go in a direction he already wants to go.
The President has actually requested a $624M increase for NNSA Weapons Activities in FY2011, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
If you are programming scientific, economic analysis, or financial calculations that have to deal with very accurate floats, then you're going to need a good background in math.
still there will be lots of ready made classes, libraries around which would do every calculation you need much more efficiently and precisely than coding them from scratch.
And what about the folks who write those libraries?
Yes, but you convienantly left out that the testimony that I linked to was in May, 2006, well after 1971 and 1979. The guy testifying is the:
Henry Salvatori Professor of Law & Community Service Chapman University School of Law Director, The Claremont Institute Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence
The rulings of the Supreme Court carry a little more weight than the opinion of one professor.
As I mentioned in another comment, the constitutionality of the Espionage Act is questionable.
In any case, in the context of my original comment, this wouldn't apply to someone who merely downloaded what was purported to be a leaked classified document.
This information is marked SECRET and NOFORN (i.e. not for export or foreign eyes); simply accessing it without a security clearance may be committing a crime against national security.
If you don't have a security clearance, then you don't have any obligation regarding classified information, and you don't even need to understand whether you are authorized to view a SECRET/NOFORN document.
The burden of protecting and properly handling classified information belongs to those with a clearance.
Current US Code, derived from the Espionage Act of 1917...
Fair enough. However, the Espionage Act of 1917 tends not to hold up well under judicial scrutiny. For example, see NY Times vs. United States (1971) and United Stated vs. The Progressive (1979).
If you don't have a security clearance, then you don't have any obligation regarding classified information
Only on slashdot would a statement so legally invalid as this be considered "informative."
Okay, then, what obligation does an uncleared(*) individual have?
(*) By uncleared, I mean someone who has never had a clearance. Once you've had a clearance, you're forever obligated to protect the classified information to which you had access, even if your clearance is no longer active.
This information is marked SECRET and NOFORN (i.e. not for export or foreign eyes); simply accessing it without a security clearance may be committing a crime against national security.
If you don't have a security clearance, then you don't have any obligation regarding classified information, and you don't even need to understand whether you are authorized to view a SECRET/NOFORN document.
The burden of protecting and properly handling classified information belongs to those with a clearance.
"Apple reinvented the mobile phone in 2007 with its revolutionary iPhone®, and did it again in 2008 with its pioneering App Store, which now offers more than 150,000 mobile applications in over 90 countries. Over 40 million iPhones have been sold worldwide.
Steve Jobs was quoted as saying "We would like other companies to compete by re-reinventing their own phones, not stealing ideas like a screen you can touch or a program you can download for local use. These innovations are clearly thanks to us."
Yes, this phenomenon is known as Reality Distortion Field (or to use technical jargon, "lying scumbag executive").
A program you can download on your phone for local use? You mean like JavaME JAR files? Like the app store that GetJar started years and years before Apple?
A screen you can touch? Like the LG Prada, announced before the IPhone, or like hundreds of other touchscreen kiosks in the last three decades?
Yup. Apple. Re-inventing marketing.
Uh, you realize that Jobs's 'quote' above wasn't real, right?
You're reallying use a dynamically typed, interpreted language with no multiprocessor support to run "huge massively-parallel scientific codes"?
Yup. That's actually quite common now. However, as I wrote above, the computationally-expensive modules/libraries are written in C or C++.
As for multiprocessor support: I use MPI, but there's also the Python multiprocessing module. Threading is possible too, but limited (at least in pure Python code) by the Global Interpreter Lock.
It can't be that large (hello python, no threads, no JIT, etc)
Are you really claiming there are no large Python apps? A lot of people in high-performance computing (including myself) are running huge massively-parallel (either MPI or some MPI+threads hybrid model) scientific codes that are largely Python, with some computationally expensive modules written in C or C++.
I remember buying my P3 laptop with 512 mb ram and 68 gb hdd (dual bay) and cd burner with 15@ screen and using it for school to learn programming (at a whopping 5k$ back then...ouch, saw one today on ebay for 100$)
My first laptop was a 25MHz 486 with a 250MB HD, 4MB of RAM (upgraded to 20MB at some point) and a monochrome VGA screen. It came with Windows 3.1, and I later I installed Slackware on it from a stack of floppy disks.
This is actually done by opening all devices and removing the hardware? Thus voiding the warranty? You guys cannot handle that through S/W?
It can't be done securely through software. Fortunately, a third-party supplier/service center has an agreement with Apple that allows them to make these modifications without voiding the warranty.
I've never heard of anyone who works at a company that uses Macs.
I work in a large research institution, and nearly every scientist or programmer I've met here uses a Mac on their desktop (though the HPC resources are mostly Linux/UNIX variants). One thing that would be great is if Apple would customize their computers for their corporate and government clients, since all of our Macs have to be modified to remove cameras, WiFi, etc.
If your children are vaccinated, how exactly are they at risk?
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Parents who refuse to vaccinate threaten herd immunity, which puts my children at greater risk.
But you see that is one of the great things about this country...we have the freedom to believe in what we will, and to act accordingly. What YOU do with YOUR kids is YOUR business, and what I do with MY kids is mine.
Actually, that's not how it works. Try withholding medical treatment (or food, for that matter) from your kids and see what happens.
Exactly. It is like penicillin, which to most of the world is a life saver, but to me and my GF it would be a death sentence due to anaphylactic shock. If only 1% of the children given the vaccine end up with autism because of it that is STILL a pretty damned big number of kids. As a parent I can understand those that prefer to error on the side of caution, because even with 1000 to 1 odds against it happening that is still your kid that you are risking.
Putting aside the fact that there is no evidence linking vaccine to autism, are you saying that this hypothetical risk outweighs the very real risk of deadly diseases such as measles and mumps? As a parent, it infuriates me to see scientifically-illiterate parents put my vaccinated children at risk by contributing to the failure of herd immunity.
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Are't you using an IDE like Eclipse? It compiles in real-time so to speak.
The code I work on the most is a large scientific code that is mostly heavily-templated C++ with lots of dependencies. It can't be compiled "in real time". A full build takes at least an hour, sometime much more, depending on the architecture/OS. Even a very minor change with relatively few dependencies (which, unfortunately, is rarely the case) takes 5 or 10 minutes to re-build the executable. Running a simulation with the code takes anywhere from an hour to a few months. Of course, I usually have something else to work on while I'm waiting, but there's a limit to the number of problems my brain can handle at a given time.
Unless you meant to say build.
Huh? Most folks I know use 'compile' and 'build' interchangeably, except when it's necessary to distinguish between compiling the translation units and linking them.
But he made it pretty clear what "too much time" constitutes. If you're not getting your work done, and are messing around on the net instead, that's too much time. Excessive bandwidth should, however, be quantified.
As for bandwidth, we're not supposed to do anything that negatively impacts the network. We're specifically told not to stream audio or video for personal use.
This is also where my tax dollars are going? I have yet to find something good out of paying taxes.
From your sig: "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something - Plato." Perhaps you should ponder that for a moment. You have no idea what I do, nor how much extra time (salary, no overtime) I put in to make sure it gets done right. Yet because I'm allowed to browse Slashdot while I wait for my code to finish compiling or for a batch job to be scheduled and run (or just to rest my brain because I've been working for weeks to solve a difficult problem), I'm wasting your tax dollars?
Kind of like reading /. at work?
I work for a government agency, and we're allowed to use the internet for non-work purposes. In fact, Slashdot was specifically mentioned as an acceptable site to visit on our government-owned computers. The general guidelines are:
-Don't visit porn sites (an automatic firing offense, unless it was truly inadvertent)
-Don't do anything for personal profit (checking an eBay auction is okay, running an eBay-based business isn't)
-Don't behave unprofessionally
-Don't use excessive bandwidth
-Don't spend too much time online for non-work reasons (i.e. get your work done)
Back in the day, editing was done by printing the code on paper and working with a punch card deck. The waste paper from this process was educational as it was an example of the best coding available at the time.
You've lost me. How does this relate to the comment you replied to?
B.G. was a Harvard dropout. With their endowment, they insisted on having source. When the prints were thrown out, he read them.
Huh?
go to an Ivy league CS U like CMU, caltech or the MIT, the class there are not junk.
While CMU, CalTech, and MIT are all top-notch CS schools, they're not in the Ivy League.
Regardless of the morals and ethics, the bottom line is its good skilled and technical jobs for America that include retirement packages and healthcare. Get rid of the nukes and we put 10s of thousands of people out of work. (This is definitely putting my dad out of work.)
RTFA. There won't be any new weapons (no surprise there, since the Reliable Replacement Warhead program was shut down a couple of years ago), but Obama is proposing an increase in funding for the DOE weapons labs.
Soon? My first Linux tablet was in the mid 80s.
That's impressive. Especially since Linux was created in 1991.
I thought the way punitive damages worked was by saying there this case is one of x but is the only one that has been brought to court therefore your damages can be multiplied by x.
That's not how punitive damages work. Punitive damages, as the name would suggest, are intended as punishment.
We all understand what is going on here, The Won is on record saying the US should be nuke free (stupid!) and is using the Russians as an excuse to go in a direction he already wants to go.
The President has actually requested a $624M increase for NNSA Weapons Activities in FY2011, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
If you are programming scientific, economic analysis, or financial calculations that have to deal with very accurate floats, then you're going to need a good background in math.
still there will be lots of ready made classes, libraries around which would do every calculation you need much more efficiently and precisely than coding them from scratch.
And what about the folks who write those libraries?
Yes, but you convienantly left out that the testimony that I linked to was in May, 2006, well after 1971 and 1979. The guy testifying is the:
Henry Salvatori Professor of Law & Community Service
Chapman University School of Law
Director, The Claremont Institute
Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence
The rulings of the Supreme Court carry a little more weight than the opinion of one professor.
As I mentioned in another comment, the constitutionality of the Espionage Act is questionable.
In any case, in the context of my original comment, this wouldn't apply to someone who merely downloaded what was purported to be a leaked classified document.
This information is marked SECRET and NOFORN (i.e. not for export or foreign eyes); simply accessing it without a security clearance may be committing a crime against national security.
If you don't have a security clearance, then you don't have any obligation regarding classified information, and you don't even need to understand whether you are authorized to view a SECRET/NOFORN document.
The burden of protecting and properly handling classified information belongs to those with a clearance.
Current US Code, derived from the Espionage Act of 1917...
Fair enough. However, the Espionage Act of 1917 tends not to hold up well under judicial scrutiny. For example, see NY Times vs. United States (1971) and United Stated vs. The Progressive (1979).
Only on slashdot would a statement so legally invalid as this be considered "informative."
Okay, then, what obligation does an uncleared(*) individual have?
(*) By uncleared, I mean someone who has never had a clearance. Once you've had a clearance, you're forever obligated to protect the classified information to which you had access, even if your clearance is no longer active.
This information is marked SECRET and NOFORN (i.e. not for export or foreign eyes); simply accessing it without a security clearance may be committing a crime against national security.
If you don't have a security clearance, then you don't have any obligation regarding classified information, and you don't even need to understand whether you are authorized to view a SECRET/NOFORN document.
The burden of protecting and properly handling classified information belongs to those with a clearance.
Ahem.
"Apple reinvented the mobile phone in 2007 with its revolutionary iPhone®, and did it again in 2008 with its pioneering App Store, which now offers more than 150,000 mobile applications in over 90 countries. Over 40 million iPhones have been sold worldwide.
Steve Jobs was quoted as saying "We would like other companies to compete by re-reinventing their own phones, not stealing ideas like a screen you can touch or a program you can download for local use. These innovations are clearly thanks to us."
Yes, this phenomenon is known as Reality Distortion Field (or to use technical jargon, "lying scumbag executive").
A program you can download on your phone for local use? You mean like JavaME JAR files? Like the app store that GetJar started years and years before Apple?
A screen you can touch? Like the LG Prada, announced before the IPhone, or like hundreds of other touchscreen kiosks in the last three decades?
Yup. Apple. Re-inventing marketing.
Uh, you realize that Jobs's 'quote' above wasn't real, right?
You're reallying use a dynamically typed, interpreted language with no multiprocessor support to run "huge massively-parallel scientific codes"?
Yup. That's actually quite common now. However, as I wrote above, the computationally-expensive modules/libraries are written in C or C++.
As for multiprocessor support: I use MPI, but there's also the Python multiprocessing module. Threading is possible too, but limited (at least in pure Python code) by the Global Interpreter Lock.
It can't be that large (hello python, no threads, no JIT, etc)
Are you really claiming there are no large Python apps? A lot of people in high-performance computing (including myself) are running huge massively-parallel (either MPI or some MPI+threads hybrid model) scientific codes that are largely Python, with some computationally expensive modules written in C or C++.
I remember buying my P3 laptop with 512 mb ram and 68 gb hdd (dual bay) and cd burner with
15@ screen and using it for school to learn programming (at a whopping 5k$ back then...ouch, saw one today on ebay for 100$)
My first laptop was a 25MHz 486 with a 250MB HD, 4MB of RAM (upgraded to 20MB at some point) and a monochrome VGA screen. It came with Windows 3.1, and I later I installed Slackware on it from a stack of floppy disks.
This is actually done by opening all devices and removing the hardware? Thus voiding the warranty?
You guys cannot handle that through S/W?
It can't be done securely through software. Fortunately, a third-party supplier/service center has an agreement with Apple that allows them to make these modifications without voiding the warranty.
I've never heard of anyone who works at a company that uses Macs.
I work in a large research institution, and nearly every scientist or programmer I've met here uses a Mac on their desktop (though the HPC resources are mostly Linux/UNIX variants). One thing that would be great is if Apple would customize their computers for their corporate and government clients, since all of our Macs have to be modified to remove cameras, WiFi, etc.
If your children are vaccinated, how exactly are they at risk?
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Parents who refuse to vaccinate threaten herd immunity, which puts my children at greater risk.
But you see that is one of the great things about this country...we have the freedom to believe in what we will, and to act accordingly. What YOU do with YOUR kids is YOUR business, and what I do with MY kids is mine.
Actually, that's not how it works. Try withholding medical treatment (or food, for that matter) from your kids and see what happens.
Exactly. It is like penicillin, which to most of the world is a life saver, but to me and my GF it would be a death sentence due to anaphylactic shock. If only 1% of the children given the vaccine end up with autism because of it that is STILL a pretty damned big number of kids. As a parent I can understand those that prefer to error on the side of caution, because even with 1000 to 1 odds against it happening that is still your kid that you are risking.
Putting aside the fact that there is no evidence linking vaccine to autism, are you saying that this hypothetical risk outweighs the very real risk of deadly diseases such as measles and mumps? As a parent, it infuriates me to see scientifically-illiterate parents put my vaccinated children at risk by contributing to the failure of herd immunity.