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Economy Tanked While Government Surfed Porn
unixan writes "In a report by the SEC Inspector General that smacks of fiddling while Rome burns, 33 recent ethics investigations all showed that the government employees responsible for keeping an eye on the economy were instead obsessed with surfing porn — while the economy was tipping over. One cited example: 'A senior attorney at the SEC's Washington headquarters spent up to eight hours a day looking at and downloading pornography. When he ran out of hard drive space, he burned the files to CDs or DVDs, which he kept in boxes around his office.'"
... government employees responsible for keeping an eye on the economy were instead obsessed with surfing porn ...
So when they were studying boobs online they should have been studying the boobs that were busy running/ruining our financial and housing industries? Understandable how those orders could get confused.
About 16 percent of men with Internet access at work admit to looking at online porn while at the office, according to a 2006 survey by Websense Inc.
Look at the man in the cubicle across from you. Now look at the two men to the left of you. Now look at the two men to the right of you. One of them is surfing porn at work.*
* Unless it's you. And if it is you, how stupid are you? Seriously? Seriously you'd jeopardize your job for that?
My work here is dung.
And we surf slashdot rather than doing our own jobs
So there can be more effective squading in BFBC2 between porn surfing sessions.
Any non-work internet activity is risking ones job.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
Nero himself was actually a pretty responsible guy when he heard that fires had broken out. (Better than these jerks!)
that in the case of the attorney, an ethics complaint is filed with the state bar. This is unconscionable behavior for an attorney and should result in disbarment.
He who has the gold, makes (and thus can break) the rules.
Democracy helped our society break free from the rule of the mob. Unfortunately for us, our leaders no longer harbor any fears of us forming a mob and descending upon them.
What is the point of looking at porn when you are in an office building, with other people all around? I mean, what exactly do you *do* looking at porn in an office environment? I don't get it. I mean, people generally look at porn in the privacy of their own homes for a reason - because you do things that are *private* while you are looking at it.
Am I insane or something? Do these people enjoy looking at porn just to look at it?
Wow, talk about bureaucracy. There's no way I would have gotten away with downloading that much on a work connection, even if it was Linux ISOs or legal, harmless data. How did these guys get away with it for so long? Let's say this guy had a 500 GB hard drive...then stacks of DVDs at 4.7 GB each...that's a lot of smut a day. My network admins would have been knocking on my office door. Once they found out what it was, I'd never find a job again.
Something tells me the network admins for that government department must have been doing the same thing, or were incompetent, or playing WoW (or maybe some hellish combination).
As of 2007, the SEC employed 3798 people. They found 33 cases of apparently habitual porn surfing (I get the impression a single visit didn't count, but visiting a few times a week would get noticed). Is it actually news that ~1% of *any* organization consisting primarily of office workers with internet connections would surf for porn? Finding 1% of any given population with no damn common sense or self control is trivial. I'm not sure how it's any different because the SEC numbers are known.
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Yep - watching people screwing, while the people they are supposed to be watching are screwing the public. Which makes the SEC like the glory hole in Wall Street.
The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
The economy was heading down. They were depressed. They needed something to get their spirits back up. And maybe to get other things up...
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
These poor bastards are going to be burned at the afraid-of-sexuality stake, instead of the do-your-damn-job-instead-of-goofing-off stake. They deserve to be fired like any other idiot who goofs off, but I'm sure they're going to be charged with sex crimes of some sort.
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
Not that surprising really. They probably knew what was coming; knew it was their fault and couldn't deal with it. Most likely they were getting depressed with that reality. Porn is excellent escapism; and boosts your dopamine and serotonine levels which might have kept them going while they adjusted to whet they didn't want to believe.
If the regulators are basically at the whim of the industry, then clearly, they don't have much to do... The de-regulationists will say this is government waste and move to disband or "rightsize" the SEC. Meanwhile, everyone else is concerned about regulatory capture. This is a clear indicator.
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This puritan interpretation is just dumb.
Porn did not kill the economy, the SEC has way more than 30 employees. C'mon.... If porn was such a baaaad thing, no company would be doing anything and the economy wouldve.... oh wait!
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I'm really curious as to when it's acceptable to look at someone’s history for productivity. I mean, Do you do regular checks of employees? Or do you wait until there is a problem and then use web history as another good reason as to why the employee shouldn't be working there?
Just from a union and fairness point of view, it seems a bit off to only check one person’s history. If one person gets regularly checked, so should everybody else... Right?
It's called a private office... and a mindset with a lot of imaginations that develop over time.
I'm sure IT was well aware of the situation by the time the hard drive was full.
Who watches the watchers? Ceiling cat does.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
Instead of focusing on the fact that our regulatory system has been neutered by radical "free-market" zealots, we get this "See! The Gubmint doesn't work!" nonsense instead.
Brilliant distraction technique. The old tricks are still the best ones.
As far as anyone can tell, not one of these people were fired for both not doing their job and for using work equipment in a HIGHLY non-work related manner.
Then again, we have the same thing around here. We know for a fact and have documented at least two people repeatedly, for over half an hour each day for months on end, trying to access porn and porn-related sites. Yet, like the SEC, none have been canned.
To use a tired comment, there used to be a time when one could work hard, get recognized and advance ones career through such work. No longer. Apparently failure is the new success.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Have they never heard of web filters or would it prevent the employees creative expressions while at work?
like a troll.
A) DO you think people watch the economy by looking out a window? no. It's worded like the think the economy is in a box and people are just watching in case it finds a way out.
B) They have no way of knowing what's going on in every board room in the financial industry
c) IT's a large organization, of course some people where surfing porn. People are people.
D) None of this excuse what they did. I'm only pointing out that just because it's "the government" doesn't mean the people running it aren't people.
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Porn usage actually stimulates the economy.
Kind of like reading /. at work?
"What is there a tank on the boat? WHY IS THERE A TANK ON THE BOAT?!?" L4D2
I don't know. Does any non-work phone use risking your job?
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that will never be affected by a bad economy. I'm investing in playboy and all other types....
How many "watchers" that everything should be all right, in all sectors, are surfing porn right now? How many will enter into a paranoid state and delete everything in their hard drives, including critical info? And how many of them will try to show that they were working instead of surfing porn and or uncover something big, or take out a lot of somewhat normal people (probably more normal than them) becuase not following to the letter some law?
And, of course, who watches the watchers? 8 hours a day watching porn instead of working is a bad symptom.for any kind of work (unless you work is related with porn sites)
... SEC workers were found to suffer from an increased rate of blindness.
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
When I was interning at the VA I noticed that one of the public computers for the vets to use had spyware on it. IT was contacted, ran their one program, but the spyware was still there. They said that's all they can do. Government IT people don't go crazy by not realizing that their marching orders are insane. Also have no undergrad at all probably doesn't help.
If this is that big a deal, I hope nobody finds out I've actually been having sex while the economy tanks.
Especially my wife.
"...spent up to eight hours a day looking at and downloading pornography. When he ran out of hard drive space, he burned the files to CDs or DVDs, which he kept in boxes around his office."
So, what's his Slashdot number?
Just a quick reminder to anyone thinking of condeming these people here on Slashdot - are you at work right now, reading Slashdot? Is that what you're paid for? The article reeks of sensationalism just because these people happened to be viewing porn instead of reading news, flicking through a book, watching YouTube, or a thousand and one other things that people do every day at work instead of actually working.
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FTFA:
Anyone want to bet that certain right-wing news outlets are furiously trying to figure out a way to blame this on President Obama?
You are welcome on my lawn.
An SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1,800 times in a two-week period and had 600 pornographic images on her computer hard drive.
SEC employees of all walks of life and genders are united in their quest for superior porn while at work!
I'm glad I don't work where you do.
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Are you surfing Slashdot at work?
... is that they wanted to diddle while rome burned?
Obviously, some organizations are just sclerotic and incompetent. Being a complex system is, actually, pretty tricky. However, some organizations are that way by design.
In this case, was the SEC basically just incompetent, or was their incompetence tolerated, abetted, nurtured by those who really didn't want them to find anything?
After all, in retrospect, it is fairly obvious that much of the apparent prosperity of the last decade or so was a bubble. Consumer spending based on imaginary wealth provided by homes appraised for large numbers, GDP numbers based on rampant construction of housing stock that nobody could actually afford to live in, various quite sophisticated flavors of financial chicanery and shell-gaming on Wall Street. Now, if you suspect that you are in a bubble, you have the option of trying to pop it before it gets any bigger, which provides the best long term outcome; but generally involves having it burst in your face, or riding it, and hoping that you can make it out of office/retire/move to a new job/cash out a big stack/etc. before it bursts. If you aren't excessively burdened in the ethics department, the latter is pretty sensible.
In situations where you cannot, for political reasons, eliminate a regulatory body outright, there are various ways of quietly gutting it. Just cutting its budget usually helps, appointing an incompetent crony to mismanage it also works pretty well(and rewards a crony), I suspect that allowing incompetence to fester probably works to.
Did the SEC manage to fuck up on its own, or was it permitted and tacitly encouraged to, since an SEC was needed; but nobody really wanted it to find anything?
Wrong. One of them *has* surfed porn at work at some point. They are not doing it necessarily right now. Times were different a few years ago when internet traffic was not routinely monitored and we had offices where no one could see our monitors.
Hell, I worked in a small office where the owner routinely mailed porn to everyone who worked there. I was asked about how I felt about porn when I interviewed there (in '96).
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
the SEC is the host of our Strategic Porn Reserves. Then you'll thank that attorney's forward-thinking approach to preserving a domestic supply to reduce our vulnerability to the whims of foreign porn suppliers.
The SEC's job was to go after fraud and general theft; they didn't do their job. The fact that a lot of them were caught surfing for pron isn't the point; the point is that they were not doing their jobs and the consequences were for the most part, felt by other people.
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Surfed porn? Really. You couldnt find any better word that would rhyme with tanked. Sheesh.
It's obvious that no one is claiming that there is a direct correlation to these individuals (or at least I hope they were doing it alone) watching porn and the downfall of the economy.
It's simply more sensational to say, "Look at what these guys were doing!" People screw around at work (ie reading slashdot on a slow friday), but seriously people should know better than to be browsing for the Pronz from a work computer.
"What is there a tank on the boat? WHY IS THERE A TANK ON THE BOAT?!?" L4D2
that's true, and sad. Surfing for porn is just a form of escapism. They could be powerless, overwhelmed or drowning in the bureaucracy. Porn is the same thing as Facebook, doing your email or hanging out on Slashdot.
which reminds me... I should re-enable my Slashdot parental controls adn get back to work :-)
Yeah this is shocking given the typical government network is locked down to the Nth degree. When I contracted on site for the Dept. of Health they actually cut me off from the network because I used torrent to download a Linux ISO. I violated policy and it cut off soon after the download started, and the jack went dead. It wasn't just "you can't surf the internet anymore". It was "VIOLATER! KILL HIM!" and I got dressed down soon after. So they closely monitored it.
Unless you consider and can justify reading /. as part of your job (keeping abreast on technology news)...
SECsafeporn.com will have only the best available porn, for free, and certainly won't contain psychological manipulation techniques to increase my personal future profits.
As a side note, this is only further proof that hard working strippers and prostitutes are being downsized due to the electronic age catching up to their profession. I, for one, think this is outrageous and plan to visit my local establishments this weekend to show my support. Hopefully we can help prepare them financially for the outsourcing that's undoubtedly coming.
"Common sense will be the death of us all"
NOT.......PORN!?!
Not doing one's job is one thing, and the relevance ends there, unless they are trading nuke plans with intl. terrorists etc...
Take the power away from the prudes...IGNORE THEM!
Let's be honest... it's not a concubine in there. The odds are much better that there were malware problems in their system. Exceptions noted, but 33%? Even the Playboy offices aren't like that...
"Economy Tanked while the Government Wanked."
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Yeah, surely this isn't news to anyone here. How about a story about the ONE guy at the SEC that DIDN'T surf pr0n?
I was watching porn as the economy crashed too! And how.
"What is there a tank on the boat? WHY IS THERE A TANK ON THE BOAT?!?" L4D2
Economy Tanked While Government Surfed Porn
Since the dawn of the Internet, everything that has happened, has happened while someone in the government was surfing porn. About half those things happened while I was surfing porn.
dial a sex line and find out...
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The one funny thing about it is that SEC consists of mainly lawyers. That's right, not accountants, not economists, not inspectors but lawyers. This is on purpose, because they are just another captured/corrupt government organization that does not do its job. Example of them not doing its job is the story from Harry Markopolos, who by chance figured out the scheme Madoff was running and brought it to SEC's attention with all the evidence but they never did anything about it.
So they are incompetent people, who are working there not because they can do something, but specifically because they do nothing at all and this is a situation created on purpose by the system, it's a captured environment, SEC is not supposed to do anything that would hurt people who should really be afraid of the SEC.
So in that environment what are the workers there supposed to do? Anything at all except their actual jobs, so obviously nobody is going to blow a whistle on them surfing porn. Porn? Please, be my guest, as long as you don't investigate actual fraud cases. Again, I guess the only surprising thing is that they are lawyers.
You can't handle the truth.
You'd be surprised at what people get away with in corporations. This really isn't that surprising. People are just like 'ZOMG its gov't failure' instead of 'ZOMG it people failure'. I bet many large companies would have similar statistics (sadly).
or the guy had enough bureaucratic weight that it would flatten anyone that spoke up about it...
heck, sometimes i suspect the office rats that do not get replaced during a election cycle either collect stuff they can leak on a "temporary" boss in case he becomes to uppity, or just wait the term out and then go back to business as usual if said boss got voted out of office.
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FTFA:
Anyone want to bet that certain right-wing news outlets are furiously trying to figure out a way to blame this on President Obama?
A certain right wing news outlet? How about Slashdot? Where in the summary does it mention that this happened under Bush? Nowhere, it says 'recent.' This is meant to spread FUD about the SEC, in order to turn people against the idea of financial reform and regulation. "Why, if these fools are constantly surfing porn, how can we trust them to regulate Wall Street?" But they aren't anymore: the fellow appointed by this administration cracked down and stopped it.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
find this wording from TFA appropriate?
"The SEC's inspector general conducted 33 probes of employees..."
Hell, I worked in a small office where the owner routinely mailed porn to everyone who worked there. I was asked about how I felt about porn when I interviewed there (in '96).
This is hilarious. He would be sued into oblivion for that today.
It's sort of like medicare fraud. Private insurers struggle with insurance fraud all the time too, but people feel like money one or two steps away from the taxes they paid is actually still theirs, so they are more attached to it.
I mean, the full HDD lawyer's job is probably to prosecute people that the SEC examiners have found evidence against...So as far as I can tell, he was doing his job since they had failed to actually find anybody to prosecute before everything fell apart.
Also..SEC...the X key is surprisingly close to the C key
Bottles.
I think the key word here is "obsessed".
The characteristics you've ascribed to yourself are moderated, healthy behaviors. In contrast, true obsession is a psychological dysfunction.
That's the sense of it in a nutshell, no more or less than eating yourself to 600 pounds, owning 20 cats, or threatening murder over cartoons.
Well, AP is already reporting on GOP legislators trying to make the link:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hOvd2ZHpLgAEKjwU87acksA24EDQD9F8SEUO0
Didn't take long for them to start posturing on behalf of the family-values contingent.
To all the people who hope that some new legislation with "better regulation" will prevent system failure in the future:
1) Read your history. This is not the first time this exact same drama has played out. Ever hear of Bretton Woods?
2) Look around you. Pick any company that fucked up bad. Would a big re-org have fixed the root of the problem?
Why people continue to believe they need government to save them is beyond me.
Part of the Second American Revolution!
This sounds very erudite and post-contemporary, but it's also nonsensical cruft.
Playing Tetris is slacking off. Browsing porn at work is a sign of really, really questionable, almost "flaming out" judgment.
I guarantee you that any competant IT department would not only be fully aware of what was going on, but also smart enough not to stir a pot that big.
If I came in tomorrow and the entire sales team was found to be mass downloading pron, what could we do? Get the entire team fired? Who is going to pick up the slack from that? Can't just replace people just like that. We could filter their content, but how long before that becomes a headache when they can't reach legit sites. We can throttle them but then there are complaints that they can't get any work done while they are chewing through bandwidth on a bit-torrent.
IT's job is to make sure that everyone is up and running. Its the managers job to make sure that people are doing their work. When people start treating IT like a police force, then something is seriously wrong, and you need to look at the power structure and layout of your company. We can be eyes and ears, we can inform managers, but its definately NOT our job to go and get people fired.
I'm sure they'll do just fine managing the health care system.
-- Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong. - Dire Straits
I'm sure they're going to be charged with sex crimes of some sort.
You should consider thinking for a moment before rattling off that type of nonsense. Not a SINGLE PERSON will be charged with ANY type of sex crime. The complaint itself complains of them being "distracted" with other things. There is no sex crime and not one single person other than you has suggested anyone be charged with a sex crime.
Boy, they sure took the Bush agenda seriously.
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Depends on how much an ass your boss is. And which phone you're using.
Seeing as you are posting on /. should you be burned at the do-you-damn-job-instead-of-goofing-off stake?
Guilty as charged....
Private office or not, he had a government IT department.
keeping abreast on technology news
I see what you did there...
Here's an idea: contract out the regulatory oversight to a private company, and let them earn a share of any fiscal penalties for fraud that they uncover. Uncover a Bernie Madoff-sized scheme? You just earned a big payment. In other words, actually MOTIVATE people to do their job, and make any rewards they earn dependent upon their success in that job.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Wow, that's impressive. I'd lose interest after about 1/2 hour a day. Just sayin...
Right. They can police themselves.
I'll bet that if you'll take the otherside.
should they have, god forbid, attempted to * gasp * regulate wall street while wall street was doing all those scams ?
all in a country, and a political environment which have been brainwashed to the core by decades of yelps of "deregulation - you'll cost americans jobs !!" ?
and all the while having a right wing, 'hands off business' administration looming over their head ?
how many of you would dare attempt do actually, god forbid, do your job and try to question wall street in such an environment, and lose all future career options, even if not directly your job ? note that you would probably lose your job, had it been under bush administration, flat out.
even the most left wing politicians were not able to dare speak against wall street, and this 'deregulation - hands off' business, until it became as clear as day that wall street actually perpetrated scams. EVEN during the period wall street was dragging all the world down, there were still 'experts', 'pundits' who were coming up in news channels and delivering opinion on how this was not a crisis and no regulation was needed and attacking whomever dare talked about any regulation. remember how peter schiff was ridiculed right 2-3 months after crisis, despite all the stuff he has said has come to pass and he was right.
leave it aside, there are STILL some totally out of touch right wingers coming up in senate or house floor, and saying 'deregulation', even after it came out that goldman sachs actually perpetrated not 1, but 5 different kinds of scam in one mortgage backed hedge fund.
so, tell me, what would you do in such an environment, if you were them ?
you would watch porn. or play games. because, noone who put you there, wanted you to do your job.
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It seems that watching other people's money is less interesting than watching other people's bodies.
Display some adaptability.
that "Fanny May" was not a porn star.
You gotta be careful man. Every odd once in a while, someone won't know what that means, and you'll have to explain it.
So when they were studying boobs online they should have been studying the boobs that were busy running/ruining our financial and housing industries?
Since he got away with his scam for decades, even when he was head of NASDAQ, I wouldn't characterise Bernie Madoff as a "boob". You don't have to be stupid to be dishonest, you only have to love money.
Look at the man in the cubicle across from you. Now look at the two men to the left of you. Now look at the two men to the right of you. One of them is surfing porn at work
According to the news on TV this morning, one of those high ranking men was a woman. Women like porn, too.
And if it is you, how stupid are you? Seriously? Seriously you'd jeopardize your job for that?
How stupid would you be to drink on the job? Yet people do.
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Something tells me the network admins for that government department must have been doing the same thing, or were incompetent, or playing WoW (or maybe some hellish combination).
"The website is down"
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Got fired from Dell long, long time ago for surfing information regarding Everquest, excessively.
Any non-work internet use CAN put you at risk of being fired. I don't have to worry as much about it where I am now, but I make sure that my extra-curricular internet usage is none of my bosses business.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
Don't these guys know the whole point of working for the GOV is to be LAZY & CORRUPT.
Instead of using porn for personal use they should have been Moonlighting by using the gov internet to host and distribute their own porn creations.
That way they could be paid for looking at porn, distributing porn, and be lazy at the same time.
This just goes to show how inefficient government workers can be at slacking off and being corrupt.
Sheila Bair hasn't enforced the (non-discretionary) Prompt Corrective Action law on any of the largest TBTF banks.
Henry Paulson lobbied for the repeal of the last vestiges of Glass-Steagall while he worked for Goldman Sachs and then committed extortion by threatening Congress with martial law unless they handed over $700 billion to a group of unapprehended felons.
The FBI warned about about an epidemic of mortgage fraud back in 2004 yet the last two administrations have not indicted a single major player in the industry.
But by all means, ignore them and pay attention to the small fry browsing porn.
Warning: NSFW
I'm glad you don't work at the SEC
Is this about the right of politicians to look at porn on the job? :P
Well, porn is the most lucrative business on the internet... So basically, they were trying to figure out something out of it to help the economy.
Kind of like reading /. at work?
I work for a government agency, and we're allowed to use the internet for non-work purposes. In fact, Slashdot was specifically mentioned as an acceptable site to visit on our government-owned computers. The general guidelines are:
-Don't visit porn sites (an automatic firing offense, unless it was truly inadvertent)
-Don't do anything for personal profit (checking an eBay auction is okay, running an eBay-based business isn't)
-Don't behave unprofessionally
-Don't use excessive bandwidth
-Don't spend too much time online for non-work reasons (i.e. get your work done)
We have graphs and reports that we turn into management.
It shows bandwidth used by the user, high data conversations to domains.
It easily shows people downloading porn, browsing youtube, streaming audio etc.
Then it becomes a management decision to impose restrictions or disciplinary actions.
If the person is smart enough to run everything through a proxy that just waves a I'm hiding something flag.
Mr. Lippman: It's come to my attention that you and the cleaning woman have engaged in sexual intercourse on the desk in your office. Is that correct?
George Costanza: Who said that?
Mr. Lippman: She did.
George Costanza: [pause] Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time.
Mr. Lippman: You're fired!
George Costanza: Well, you didn't have to say it like that.
You know that should be a felony charge. Using taxpayers money to jack off! :(
I personally warned the rest of the company about the McAfee problem earlier this week because I was goofing off on Slashdot.
Saved countless hours of problems.
Besides, the IT department just wants the good porn to go into the shared collection and for the job to be done. If I am waiting for a long-ass process to happen and would otherwise be left picking my nose or jabbering at someone who is trying to work, a bit of down time with a browser is not a big deal.
No, it isn't. You have no idea what you're talking about. Many large employers allow casual net use, as long as it is incidental, doesn't interfere with your work and doesn't hog the resources. These same employers, of course, also have ethics guidelines prohibiting watching porn, of course. Or using the company computers for political activity or for anything illegal.
We're all born with nothing.
If you die in debt, you're ahead.
I just read the last word in you post as "dismemberment".
"How did these guys get away with it for so long?"
The data is from internal probes. The SEC did in fact know about these cases and was investigating (and dealing with) them, or else we wouldn't know about them.
The fact that they take their time and don't react immediately doesn't necessarily strike me as so surprising. Especially if it's to the point of a firing offense, they probably need to build a pretty good case.
One might argue that government employees doing NOTHING is better than a government employee trying to do their job.
Boot-strappy intelligent independence right?
It's the ones that were actually doing their jobs that did the damage.
Or, you know, the greedy fuckwads handing all the frighteningly stupid loans, then bundling this tremendously high risk stuff together and selling it as "investments".
Somehow methinks porn was not the problem, or even a tiny part of the problem.
Whomever came up with this shit is an ass bleeding fucking moron.
Well, strictly speaking it wasn't online porn, but I have watched various pay-per-view shows while on the clock.
Of course, that is when I was working for a particular cable company, so it was actually part of my job ;)
33 recent ethics investigations all showed that the government employees responsible for keeping an eye on the economy were instead obsessed with surfing porn -- while the economy was tipping over. One cited example: 'A senior attorney at the SEC's Washington headquarters spent up to eight hours a day looking at and downloading pornography.
Fuck it, I'll be at the beach. I'll have to think about coming back. I'm pretty sure sobriety isn't going to enter into that decision.
ideopath @ play
If they try and go to a porn site and see a company or official logo from the OpenDNS page with a message that says it was blocked for pornography, most get the picture. Most don't want to confront you about it either.
It might not have been their job to get someone fired (who gets fired from a gov't position anyway, besides teachers?) but an IT dept could do something to help that situation out without stirring the pot.
They deserve to be fired like any other idiot who goofs off, but I'm sure they're going to be charged with sex crimes of some sort.
They're all blind now, from all the wanking that they were doing, while looking at all that porn.
Sounds like just punishment to me.
Nero just fiddled while Rome burned down. These guys were "polishing the Bishop" while the world economy went to Hell in a hand-basket.
Some companies give their employees fitness center vouchers to get them to exercise after work. If I was running a company, I'd give them porn vouchers. Look at porn and wank on your own time.
Of course, all my employees would have hairy palms . . . but, what can you do . . . ?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Interesting that this years-old story rears up now, when the SEC is suing Goldman and the administration is pushing financial industry reform.
Sounds like there certainly was (is?) a porn problem at SEC. Convenient that is was such a non-story, until needed.
Oh for christsake, it's not nonsensical, it's true. People are terrified of 'sex,' and anything sex related. It's the latest hip-craze to hate crimes involving sexuality. I can almost hear the hissing masses reading this article "Sssssssseeex offendderrssssss!" Bad judgement, yes; It's just as bad as playing Farmville or WoW. Not worse though.
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
Or addicted to the hormone rush from viewing porn in the same way that people get addicted to the physiological reactions to alcohol. An addiction is a low-level conditioned response that bypasses conscious thought. Tiger Woods and Jesse James addicted to sex because they spent at most few hours a week having sex with someone other than their wife? Probably not. Some guy who is surfing porn 8 hours a day? Yeah, that's getting Pavlovian.
When I was a Network Admin at GSA, we were contractors with very little control over the government employees. To top it off we had 2 consecutive years where the contract was lost to a lower bit, that amounted to a 30% pay cut. The team of 12 guys in my region spent a full year playing HALO on the work network, 8 hours a day for a full year. doing only the bare minimum of trouble resolution, not a single upgrade or enhancement. If it wasn't broke we didn't fix it. I finally quit, when the gov't boss installed security cameras in our work areas with a monitor on her desk, you know "To make sure we were safe".
Yeah, well I used to work for a company that basically acknowledged that so long as work got done in expected timeframes they didn't care what you did. Furthermore, since it was a design house that included women's swimwear, we were all issued calendars that included hot models in bikinis. That's right, we could browse youtube all day on slow days and we had company-issued softcore calendars. I would have never left that company if my wife hadn't been transferred to another state (and no, I'm not naming names).
Where I am now is not nearly as nice, but they don't get on our cases too much, and we're so short-staffed and in such specially-trained positions that there's no way any of us are in jeopardy.
If you don't like your working conditions, you should look for other work. The end. There are places out there that are awesome to work for.
I support the Slashcott and will not be reading or commenting from 2/10/14 to 2/17/14. Beta is steaming pile of dog shit
At the time, they didn't realize it was pornography. They'd been accustomed to watching banks and investment firms do that to their customers; so, it just seemed like another training video.
Look at the man in the cubicle across from you. Now look at the two men to the left of you. Now look at the two men to the right of you.
I'm on a horse.
Republicans say that the government doesn't work, and when they get elected, they set out to prove it.
Laugh all you want but, if you'd uncovered evidence of financial irregularities, and every time you raised it, your politically appointed bosses said "Shut up and let the free market work," how long would it be until you found other ways to entertain yourself at work?
That is all.
we are just jealous that we can't surf porn all day and collect it all the while still having a job were we can do it at. This is why this is news.
"The laws of science be a harsh mistress." --Bender
In a certain way of thinking, it's not really a case of bureaucracy, but rather a case of too little bureaucracy. Sounds like they weren't being monitored or forced through a series of arbitrary rules and procedures, but rather that they were left to their own devices, without rules and procedures. It's the opposite of bureaucracy.
Good point. It wouldn't have been better for us if they were sitting around posting on discussion boards or something.
There is no person that does not like porn. The only thing that separates us is whether he like fat girls, thin girls, men, children, donkeys or the dead. We might like different things in porn but we all like porn.
This just smacks of a hit piece. If it is true, there is a reason why people were able to neglect their duties on the job. If it is false, the accused are most likely being held to the fire in some hidden aspect no one wants you to know about. This type of journalistic integrity is what I would expect from Fox but it wouldn't surprise me coming from any of the massive news conglomerates.
You're nothing; like me.
Perhaps they were trying to regulate the porn industry so they had to archive the "data" for further "research"? Or they were just screwing around at work... but who knows what secrets the government has... maybe they have tons of random departments...
In corporations people surfing porn all day are screwing that corporation's shareholders who are paying their salary. When gov't employees do the same guess who is getting screwed.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
It also might be prudent to point out that there may be a link between high stress and increased sexual desire/activity.
It could be these people saw what was coming down the pipe, and instead of facing it, put their heads into p0rn.
Any non-work internet activity is risking ones job.
Except in the Federal (and some state) governments, where damn little useful work occurs anyway.
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The real issue here is shitty management. This is typical government incompetence, and it is bipartisan. Republicans are corporate shills; Democrats are corporate shills. Guess who was the second biggest campaign supporter for Obama?
'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.' - Mao Tse-tung
Of course, the administration's solution is....more agencies!
I hope they have at least an OC-3 for the porn that will soon be a'flowin.
No in companies, surfing porn can and often gets you fired. In Government doing the same just gets you transferred to the next site/department.
It is just too f'n hard to fire people in government.
See the difference?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Bush was absolutely and without a doubt the worst president this country has ever had. He will be remembered as such forever. Everyone who voted for him should feel mortified by their choices, if they have any decency, patriotism, or respect for the office of president.
If Bush had wanted a functional SEC, he could have created one. He obviously either did not care, or was not competent enough to do it, because Obama sure as hell did.
Important take away from this: the SEC under Bush was incompetent. Obama fixed that. Got it? Is that fucking clear enough for you brain damaged simians? Got that through your thick, slope browed Republican skulls? Good, now please waste your fucking mod points on me, you can't touch my karma, bitches.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Incidentally, it was Slashdot that keyed us into the source of our problems (McAfee) on Wednesday. If that's not justification for my constant screwing around^W^W research on Slashdot every day, I don't know what is.
I'm pretty sure these aren't the kinds of positions that get replaced every election. I'm sure they get to keep their jobs for life, if they were so inclined.
IT's job is to make sure that everyone is up and running. Its the managers job to make sure that people are doing their work. When people start treating IT like a police force, then something is seriously wrong, and you need to look at the power structure and layout of your company. We can be eyes and ears, we can inform managers, but its definately NOT our job to go and get people fired.
What if "we can inform managers, but its definately NOT our job to go and get people fired" are mutually exclusive options? IT shouldn't make itself less than it is either. If the IT department is asked to implement content filtering and detect repeated attempts to circumvent it, then you're acting on instructions not your own initiative. It's not very different from a parent installing a content filter and checking logs on a child's computer, except that in a large company it's delegated to IT people that implement the actual filtering. Many times that's a mandate handed down to the IT department already and doesn't need a board room decision.
Forget that this is IT, imagine if it's just two horizontal departments in different parts of the company. How much would you ignore as "not your department's business"? Ultimately the department manager can't always know the truth of all things, let's say for example you hear a bunch of coders making fun of their boss because their "all night coding crunch" is actually their "all night fps gaming and pizza party night". Or that they're stealing office supplies. Or that they're operating a shadow business on company time. At some point it becomes a responsibility to tell on them even though it'll go up and down the chain of command and someone might get fired. That is equally true for IT.
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They weren't doing their job because that was the administrative philosophy at the time. So, they *were* doing their jobs. Let the Free Market work it out, remember?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Whoever broke this story got it backward.
First, the regulations against bucket-shops* was repealed.
Then the SEC discovered it couldn't even ask for data from these operations, much less regulate them.
Then the people at the SEC, having nothing interesting to work on, discovered they could fill their time and use their vast network and computing resources in an interesting manner, while waiting for the party in charge of ripping off the consumer to be thrown out of power.
* - A bucket shop is a betting parlor in which the game of choice is stock prices. You don't buy and sell the stock, or options in the stock, you just make a wager against the house that the price of a certain stock will rise or fall by a certain amount by a certain time. When the law was repealed, it allowed the creation of "derivatives" that had no tie to the underlying equity whatsoever. The same change in the law allowed almost unlimited borrowing to make these bets; this is prohibited to equity buyers by the margin-open and margin-hold restrictions, but the new bucket shops being run in hedge funds sold this service like it was the gold mine it was until the credit-multiplier got so stretched there wasn't a real dollar left to lend. The same change in the law required no reporting of any of this activity to the government. That is how a market worth tens of trillions of dollars in transactions per day grew from nothing in just a few years without you or me or the SEC or our congressmen having a clue it was happening. In the end, when all the funny-money transactions were unwound, nearly a $Trillion in real money had disappeared into accounting cul de sacs, requiring the government to issue the TARP bailouts to provide solvency to banks that were unsure if they were still operational. This is why "financial regulation" is a hideously inadequate euphemism for the sort of hangings we should be scheduling on the gallows down the center of Wall St. right now. Failure to pass a major reform package demanding transparency and accountabiltiy will simply allow this stuff to occur again.
Justifying bad behavior by pointing to bad behavior is just stupid. The fact is, regardless who's "watch" it came on, is this is completely unacceptable.
However neither the (R) or (D) is going to step up and say what is really needed. We need to cut government back to an almost unhealthy level, before we can address how to make it better. Hiring more incompetent and lazy people is not going to solve the problems we are facing. And leaving things as they are isn't solving them either.
We need the equivalence of a forest fire to burn through, and while it hurts temporarily, it is ultimately healthy (healthier) for the forest.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
You just fire the weakest guy, it serves as an example and you get rid of someone without normal legal problems.
So you're saying slacking > jacking?
The SEC employees have simply come face-to-face with the fact that the debt, which has handcuffed our economy, now has us down on our knees, and that our continued monetary domination depends on our being whipped into shape through very strong, painful discipline.
Whatever comes, the SEC knows how to beat this thing, and they simply rose to the occasion like men.
Ah...Is it getting hot in here?
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lolz
Your IT department didn't have any set policy's or a backing of your higher ups and you claim to be competent?
Yes, we IT guys should know what's going on in our network, but there's a solution to everything. What we found for the higherups that works best is just start banning applications and ports that the porn was coming through.
You can't complain about something when your complaint is countered that users are downloading porn. We don't know who it is, but we've already setup safe alternatives and removed bit-torrent.
You cut off their ability to acquire the stuff without specifically calling them out and the ones that care about their job will stop. The ones that don't and keep attempting to circumvent you just are in a losing war because you own the network.
It's all in the delivery.
Sad isn't it?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Nooooo... Doing it in a cubicle, in a heavy traffic area, with the Kleenex and hand lotion out is really, really questionable and almost "flaming out" judgment.
A locked office door with the blinds drawn is somewhat less questionable, unless your a screamer or grunter, then is more questionable.
Also, if you are one of those "fire and forget" guys then that just brings you to whole other level of sociopathic behavior.
I feel like making a chart in Excel right now.....
There are many different government offices, with IT departments run by many different kinds of people. You can't lump them all in the same category.
At any of the places I've worked (all government) IT would have been tipped by network admin software sending warnings triggered by the near-full hard drive. On finding -any- amount of porn higher-ups would have been notified. Said porn would have been removed. Of course acquiring it in the first place would have been difficult with all the restrictive content filtering in place.
Could be they didn't have much of an onsite IT department. Doesn't sound like routine maintenance was even being done on this guy's computer if nobody noticed the full hard drive.
Sounds like the VA office in the above post needs to get new IT people, but I definitely wouldn't consider that the norm.
Huh?
If I came in tomorrow and the entire sales team was found to be mass downloading pron, what could we do? Get the entire team fired? Who is going to pick up the slack from that?
If they were spending the entire work day (8 hours) engaged in said downloading, how much slack can there be to pick up? (Aside from what's ALREADY not being picked up?)
Look at the man in the cubicle across from you. Now look at the two men to the left of you. Now look at the two men to the right of you. One of them is surfing porn at work.
Uh, yeah. No, sorry.
See, I work in an office where people aren't weirdos who feel it's okay to look at porn in a public space (as opposed to in private where it obviously belongs).
But, hey, maybe my office is unique, somehow...
The fact of the matter is, porn is the third leg (pun intended) of this economy. Its very existence drives technical innovation, and indirectly employs millions of workers. Not only workers in the industry, but workers that work in industries that support it (i.e. networking equipment, IPS, banks, etc). Certainly porn has created some moral problems but nobodsy can argue that porn itself has hurt this economy in any way.
Maybe they realized that porn was America's last remaining growth industry.
They were trying their hardest to save the economy.
If you work in a call center and it is not during one of your breaks, yes.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
Something tells me the government version of "The Girls of the SEC" would make a lot less money than Playboy's.
So what you're asking is, who regulates the regulators?
Anyone want to bet that certain right-wing news outlets are furiously trying to figure out a way to blame this on President Obama?
No, but I will bet dollars to pesos that certain left-wing news outlets are furiously trying to figure out a way to blame this on President Bush.
Everyone rent Breach.
Even the CIA has its bandwidth leeches.
Nice bit of idealism there. The job of any person at any company/organization is to whatever the fuck the manager says to do.
If your manager says you are to enforce a policy, then that is your job.
Even in your own words, what is the difference between "inform the manager" and "get people fired"?
Ok, so we know why these 33 employees failed to prevent the meltdown, what about the thousands of other SEC employees? At least these guys have something to show for their time at the SEC.
I somehow think jacking off has worse consequences when done at work.
What a surprisingly reasonable policy.
We were at a point that the majority of our traffic was non-business related internet browsing. Something had to be done because it was affecting the business. We started with an executive mandate to do the right thing, then we policed the traffic and educated people who were noncompliant. That was messy and political but we were at the point it affected running the business.
Move forward two or three years. We now subscribe to a content-filtering service on the firewall which also allows filtering by protocol. A very small number of people are allowed unrestricted access. Everyone else can't access a blacklisted site or a site which triggers the content filter. They get a "blocked" page along with the reason, with a link to email the help desk (which fills in the message, URL etc).
On receipt we may outright approve or reject the request or investigate it depending on what we know about the site. If the site was blocked by mistake (rare but it happens), we whitelist it and it's instantly available for everyone. In many cases, the person just wants one-time access (perhaps they clicked on a DoubleClick advertisement rather than going to that vendor's page directly) so if the request is reasonable we visit the site and retrieve the item for that person.
This policy was not easy to implement, but it's been very positive in the two or three years since. Bandwidth usage is way down and because it's a neutral third party it's no longer a polarizing political issue.
We've had people request access for things that are obviously not business-related, such as sports sites. They are rejected and the reply email is cc'd to their supervisor. Doesn't take long for people to figure it out.
Sounds pretty sane and enlightened.
Is this a fairly common policy, or is this specific to your agency?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
Amen
I work at a small company (~40 People), and one of one of the owners regularly calls us into his office when he found a funny porn clip.
We're an IT company though, and only two women work here. And this is in Europe, were nude breasts can be seen on TV all the time.
Senior staff positions at places like the SEC are exactly the types of position that change when a new Administration comes to power. In comparison to a country like Britain, where the civil service is largely tenured and only the Cabinet changes, American presidents appoint literally thousands of people throughout the Executive Branch.
I thought the comments from the Republicans in the article were rather surprising. All of these events took place during the Bush administration, and many of the staff involved were probably Bush appointees.
The real scandal here is the staffing of regulatory agencies by opponents of regulation, a common practice during the Bush Administration. One of the most effective "deregulatory" actions of that Administration was having their appointees to regulatory bodies sit on their hands for four or eight years. For another example, see this article contrasting antitrust policies at the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission.
I feel like whoever wrote this article things that there are government employees sitting in front of a giant machine called "The Economy" that has dials and buttons for them to adjust it with.
The fact of the matter is that the government has very little control over the economy.
Don't take life so seriously. No one makes it out alive.
umm how is that the stories from the AP and ABC are some how linked to the GOP and Fox News???
i think a few people here may have spent a little too much time their conspiracy theorist pot head friends on 420
The SEC's job was to go after fraud and general theft; they didn't do their job.
The fact that a lot of them were caught surfing for pron isn't the point; the point is that they were not doing their jobs and the consequences were for the most part, felt by other people.
Wrong. Fraud and general theft is the number one way of getting porn, even if it appears free to the end consumer. You have to remember that most US porn sites are not non-profit charities. They have bandwidth costs, actors and advertisement costs to pay, so they promptly ask that you sign up to see the rest of their demo'd clips.
Yet we share and share what porn someone else has stolen/cracked for us, knowing that somewhere along the line "freed it" to put on rapidshare or chan sites, or local CD's for us. If the contents of those files were child porn, I'm sure the same government officials there would think it a crime. Even though they don't, they are still encouraging theft and anti-government policy DVD rips. They should just up and prosecute themselves or have someone else come up with charges for every American made file that ended up on their drives.
But I digress. The point is that if your job is to confiscate drug-dealer products, and you start bringing to work your own set of illicit drugs, then you won't do your job objectively or effectively.
By giving people a false sense of security, the SEC keeps people from even making the barest attempt at due diligence before handing over their money to the Bernie Madoffs of the world. If you're going to delegate this responsibility to anyone, it should be to a private agency that has something to lose if they fuck up, not to a bureaucracy which will in all likelihood get a budget increase after a major failure.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
This is also where my tax dollars are going? I have yet to find something good out of paying taxes.
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Obviously the GP is paraphrasing the policy, but it sounds to me like it's so vague and subjective as to be useless as well. If you need to fire someone because of the policy, you need to be able to show not only that they clearly breached the policy, but that they knew where the boundaries of the policy are. If "excessive bandwidth" or "too much time" are not quantified, you can't safely fire someone (depending on your local employment law of course, you might be allowed to fire someone simply for losing the toss of a coin in your area).
Awwwww... just threw my ceiling cat away:-(
I surf for porn 8 hours a day, and get ALL my work done. I use all the bandwidth that everyone else isn't using, because I know we're getting a good deal on bandwidth charges. I keep my Wireless Access Point OPEN to the public, because I encourage everyone for free use. In all my 13 years of doing this, I've never been caught and none suspect me and yet I mediate between penalties of others who were caught and my primary explanation to their punishment is: Don't be caught, again, ever.
The Government knows that progress will only be achieved through interacting with the channels of porn, so this is why they are blaming men looking at porn because they expect some real positive legislation and technology to arise from this: if it has porn value then it must be good progress!
I finally quit, when the gov't boss installed security cameras in our work areas with a monitor on her desk, you know "To make sure we were safe".
This isn't anything to be proud of. Not only did you waste money and develop poor ethics, but the skills and growth over the year could of helped land the next great job. Not sure I would ever do this even if I had the freedom to.
Turd Blossom is a post-coital phrase given to homosexuals after a proctal relapse that resembles a bloody rose, not the false recent portrayal attributed on Wikipedia suggesting a flower sprout from cow dung on G. Bush's ranch.
That should make you wonder that if G. Bush nicknamed every associate with a homsexual phrase then that relationship he had with Whitehouse Press secretary Jeff Gannon should be looked into for any nature. The reports for Arnold Schwarzen-Eggar are only trickling out, yet there emerges a pattern between all these politicians about how they are all related by blood and all have verry unnatural if not satanic behavioural conditions related to their fraternities and Freemason lodges.
If "excessive bandwidth" or "too much time" are not quantified, you can't safely fire someone (depending on your local employment law of course, you might be allowed to fire someone simply for losing the toss of a coin in your area).
But he made it pretty clear what "too much time" constitutes. If you're not getting your work done, and are messing around on the net instead, that's too much time. Excessive bandwidth should, however, be quantified.
Today is red jello day - all workers must eat all of their red jello. Failure to comply will result in five demerits.
You've convinced me. 33 cases of people surfing porn in an organization with over 3000 employees is what collapsed the economy. Instant +5!
I have yet to find something good out of paying taxes.
I'm a big fan of the local fire department and building code inspector. Likewise national defense, the court system, and the police are all important. However, one would have to be pretty out of touch to claim that most of what the military does is defensive; or that the American court system is competent at delivering justice; or that the police (in any city I have lived) are either effective or ethical.
I'm not so sure the fire department really warrants 1/3 of my income...
This is also where my tax dollars are going? I have yet to find something good out of paying taxes.
From your sig: "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something - Plato." Perhaps you should ponder that for a moment. You have no idea what I do, nor how much extra time (salary, no overtime) I put in to make sure it gets done right. Yet because I'm allowed to browse Slashdot while I wait for my code to finish compiling or for a batch job to be scheduled and run (or just to rest my brain because I've been working for weeks to solve a difficult problem), I'm wasting your tax dollars?
33 cases of porn surfing in an organization with over 3000 employees. There are people surfing porn right now in every company and government organization in the world.
What happened is that news editors have decided on a narrative, and narrative is this--people in charge of the economy surfed porn while the economy collapsed! The economy part was artificially attached to the situation by the editors. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but the angle, or bias, of the story is that these employees were uncaring and somehow contributed to the collapse. However, by not outright saying that, the writers of the stories can deflect criticism by claiming they never actually stated that conclusion.
Stupidest non-story I've seen in a while, and it's getting exposure everywhere. In 2010, we still have entertainment-based news that is more about ratings and page views than accuracy or information. You'd think the internet would have made us more informed and aware of ridiculous assertions, but it's only made stupid gossip and artificial narratives even more powerful than before.
But he made it pretty clear what "too much time" constitutes. If you're not getting your work done, and are messing around on the net instead, that's too much time. Excessive bandwidth should, however, be quantified.
As for bandwidth, we're not supposed to do anything that negatively impacts the network. We're specifically told not to stream audio or video for personal use.
Reasonable? Government? ... something tells me this guy isn't in the US.
They could try a spin like this...
"These employees were most likely raised in "christian" families, thus they have irrepairably damaged attitude towards anything concerning sex. That includes seeing a single nipple."
Oops, they really got you strung tight over there.
Are't you using an IDE like Eclipse? It compiles in real-time so to speak. Unless you meant to say build.
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Actually, with police around, people here in Chicago are still getting killed. I'd much rather have an automatic to defend myself.
Fire....ummm, they will never get there in time to save my home or family. I have smoke detectors and fire insurance.
Court system. Coruption. I served as a juror for a drunk and driving case. The jury just wanted to go home, and not lose another day of pay. He clearly deserved a DUI, but we found him not guilty because the state attorney did a terrible job of finding him 'guilty without reasonable doubt'.
I'd much rather keep my tax dollars and fend for myself.
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No problem. Our IT manager downloads the porn and sends it to a list of people. Both me and my boss are in the list.
The actual policy is you can do whatever the heck you want as long as you get your job done. But if you pissed someone off enough that they want to fire you they will look at your internet history as a justification.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
Why fire insurance? Without a court system the insurance would never pay unless you forced them at gunpoint - and they most likely can afford more guns than you do. Then again, you would be paying them fore "fire insurance" because they have more guns than you do.
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What's amazing is that everyone thought the moron was working even though there was nothing to show for it even for stacks of optical disks that no one apparently ever seriously asked about, or looked at. How does the US government determine which jobs are needed and if those in said jobs are actually doing them. What a Dilbert work we live in,
Are't you using an IDE like Eclipse? It compiles in real-time so to speak.
The code I work on the most is a large scientific code that is mostly heavily-templated C++ with lots of dependencies. It can't be compiled "in real time". A full build takes at least an hour, sometime much more, depending on the architecture/OS. Even a very minor change with relatively few dependencies (which, unfortunately, is rarely the case) takes 5 or 10 minutes to re-build the executable. Running a simulation with the code takes anywhere from an hour to a few months. Of course, I usually have something else to work on while I'm waiting, but there's a limit to the number of problems my brain can handle at a given time.
Unless you meant to say build.
Huh? Most folks I know use 'compile' and 'build' interchangeably, except when it's necessary to distinguish between compiling the translation units and linking them.
It's funny that Eliot Spitzer got tossed from his job for screwin' hoores on his own time and with his own money.
The reason? Spitzer was on top (no pun intended) of the wall street debacle before it was fashionable.
When bringing this information to the government, federal laws from 1865 were invoked stating that Washington had jurisdiction over the issue.
Washington did nothing (thanks george and dick)
The official response discredited Spitzer thereby eliminating him as a presidential hopeful
The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
in other words, no one. xD
The actual policy is you can do whatever the heck you want as long as you get your job done. But if you pissed someone off enough that they want to fire you they will look at your internet history as a justification.
That is so true. And even if your internet history is spotless, they will keeping digging till they find a reason to fire you.
I personally warned the rest of the company about the McAfee problem earlier this week because I was goofing off on Slashdot.
Saved countless hours of problems.
Besides, the IT department just wants the good porn to go into the shared collection and for the job to be done. If I am waiting for a long-ass process to happen and would otherwise be left picking my nose or jabbering at someone who is trying to work, a bit of down time with a browser is not a big deal.
Technically, wouldn't it be UP time? At least, that's the direction mine points when it's in that "state"
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Point is not about over or under-regulation, but WHAT regulations should be put in place, and what regulations and laws do not serve their purposes to secure economic stability against crisis.
Republicans are stalling and slinging mud as usual. Whenever asked, they just come up with the same lame rhetoric arguments like "we need to decrease regulations, not increase them", or "I don't like Obama", etc, thus lamely evading the issues behind the biggest financial crisis since 1929.
Why do Americans even vote for such people is beyond me..
Based on my government experience, IT most likely knew about it, and were told to do nothing. Happens all the time. (Although I've never seen anything that extreme.)
Making the possible totally impossible.
The SEC is an independent agency. There are 5 SEC commissioners appointed by the President to a 5 year term. The terms are staggered so each June one commissioner is replaced. Other than that I think it's pretty much up to the commissioners how the agency is run.
There's no point limiting net use. Just tell them that everything is logged.
I had a guy exactly like that in one workplace but due to poor records when I got there it was tricky to work out who had which computer, so he was doing it for at least a few weeks and actually slowing down net access for everyone in that office before he was tracked down. We were badly starved of bandwidth so he had to be confronted, but a simple "we're using a lot of bandwidth and your name comes up a lot in the logs we have of all traffic" did the job and nobody had to mention eight hours of weird granny porn a day.
That's a difficult thing to get a useful number for. If somebody saturates the link at 3am and delays incoming email for a couple of hours nobody cares. In my view excessive bandwidth is whatever slows things down enough for other users to notice and complain about and has no work related purpose.
IMHO it should never be in the network admins power to fire you, instead you give the info to the guys manager and they do whatever they want with it. If the link is charged by the GB or if you have to move to a faster connection just because somebody is always looking at porn that's a different story and you make more noise about it if the supervisor won't take action.
Network admins are there to keep the network running - if somebody isn't working that is not their problem, it's the problem for that person's supervisor.
Perhaps you missed this part:
In fact, Slashdot was specifically mentioned as an acceptable site to visit
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Please, can we stop calling it "smut?" Smut is really, really, really gross.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Then you find you've fired the only guy that knows how to drive the forklift.
Having weird loops around the chain of command is a pretty stupid idea. If you are not a persons boss then you should have no right to fire them.
I'm morbidly amused at how when people read something like this, it always causes them to want *more* government. I mean, seriously. What did you *just* *read*?
True, if your house starts on fire the firefighters may not be able to make it on time to save the whole building.
But if your neighbor's house started on fire, they should at least get there on time to save your house. And if you have two neighbors, it's twice as likely that one of their houses will start on fire as your house starting on fire. Oh wait... in Chicago fire doesn't spread from building to building. Carry on, then.
Although with the corruption, I am sympathetic. I mean, the blatant Gerrymandering in the Chicago area... I mean yes, I understand that renovations needed to be done at O'hare, but they really didn't have to move that many registered voters... they could have bulldozed a park rather than a cemetary.
I'm sorry, but this is hilarious.
I don't know if it's the phrasing of the title that's killing me or just the concept itself. I don't know, man, I don't know.
This whole sitch kind of reminds me of those librarians who were busted a year or two back for playing Nintendo Wii ALL FREAKIN' DAY LONG in their library, instead of actually working. They were caught on camera and busted in front of their entire community. Does anybody else remember that story?
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Fire....ummm, they will never get there in time to save my home or family. I have smoke detectors and fire insurance.
Fully privatized fire services have been tried (e.g., in London up until the 19th century) but they're imperfect solutions for a number of reasons. Firstly, fire spreads; your neighbor's fire problem has a tendency to become your fire problem shortly after if it isn't tackled quickly. Secondly, having a bunch of profit-making companies going round saying "Gee, that looks like a very flammable building to me, Joe. Want to buy some insurance?" Well, I don't like where that's going...
"Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
More likely they were aware of it but the people doing the downloading were the same ones who sign the IT departments paychecks and wrote the very policy about company computer usage.
I'm a poor Java guy that will write an Ant script to run a build that inside of it has a compile task (subset). We (past two companies I worked at) do not use compile and build interchangeably.
/. comments are on the comments, not the person.
Anyway, from your original comment, my reply was a sad attempt at humor, not a personal attack on you personally. I think most
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Point well taken.
But I will play the numbers and bet that my house or my neighbors house will never start on fire.
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>>>I personally warned the rest of the company about the McAfee problem earlier this week because I was goofing off on Slashdot.
I just lost my job due to the following reasons:
- Reports that I eat too much food at the lunch buffet
- Fellow engineer reported I was reading slashdot "during work hours"
The first reason is so funny I almost laughed-out loud when my boss told me. I weigh just 140 pounds - hardly a food addict. And if anybody cared, they could have just asked me to stop eating so much. Reason #1 amounts to just hearsay & gossip, and is most likely about somebody else not me. ----- The second reason I tried to explain away by saying, "Not during work hours. I read slashdot during my lunch break to keep up with the news. That is what the engineer noticed." But she said she didn't believe me, besides she already "made-up her mind and will not reverse it, even if I made a mistake."
I later learned that my position is not being replaced, so I suspect she was just looking for a reason to cut staff & her budget, now that two departments have merged into one. So she accepted whatever BS gossip/excuses she could cling to. In other words, if you're doing something like surfing /. or eating too much food, and the management wants to get rid of you, they WILL use it as justification.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Yeah, this is a manufactured controversy issue by the GOP. They are attacking the SEC because its attacking Goldman Sachs and trying to regulate the industry that almost took the economy down. Republicans have no shame.
They don't have any memory either (or more accurately: they're counting on the rest of us to have no memory).
Let's review once again WHEN the economy was tanking, and WHEN these people were surfing porn.
It was in the 8th year of the Bush interregnum, where we had
1. A Republican Controlled Senate
2. A Republican Controlled House of Representatives
3. A Republican President
4. An SEC led and managed by Republican Appointees, appointed by a Republican president and confirmed by a Republican congress.
Amusing that they are now making an issue out of, to put not too fine a point on it, the surfing habits of an organisation that had been Republican dominated for the better part of 8 years (longer, actually, when you factor in the Republican congress beneath Clinton, and the influence peddling the Banks, and the Right, have had on the SEC for many years prior).
Basically, it's misbehavior by part of a Republican administration for which the Republicans are now raising hell and brazenly pointing the figure at the Democrat who has gone some way in his first fifteen months cleaning their mess up, as if their misbehavior is somehow their successor's fault.
Shameless indeed.
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But goofing off by who? Perhaps by those who are raising the SEX issues... could be...
These people are going to be because it is politically popular to use this issue to raise money and support based on the hot button issue of SEX and probably because SEX beats GREED in a head to head competition. So an issue such as those "GREEDY people at Goldman" will likely be displaced by "All that SEX at the SEC". The Devils Casino is a look at internal culture at Lehman Brothers in reputed to combine GREED and SEX so we need to through SEX at the SEC to remain "fair and balanced" .
I think the real big issues here are Systemic Risk, To Big to Fail and undoing of Glass-Steagall there should be a debate about those types of issues. Remember The Republicans claimed at the time that Bill Clintons attempt at an attack on Bin Laden was just an attempt to divert attention from the Lewinsky Scandal sex scandal. This is playing politics on the short side as seen after Sept 11, 2001.
Beware of the SEX card
>>>Not only did you waste money and develop poor ethics, but the skills and growth over the year could [have] helped land the next great job.
Irony.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
How much power did the SEC really have to stop this 2007-8 collapse? None.
The Clinton-era HUD has already mandated that banks *must* give loans to poor people, and that was the root cause of the housing bubble, followed by its collapse when the poor people defaulted on the loans. There was little the SEC could have done to stop that bubble, because the root cause came from a managerial decision at the top.
In other words even if the SEC had been run by Puritans who never touched the internet, the collapse would still have occurred.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
No but one can argue that porn is not really important. In the same way that they exaggerate women's ages as "18" when they are actually 30, or men as "12 inches" when they are actually just 7, the porn industry has exaggerated their own impact on the net economy, which is less than 1% total revenue.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Filled up a HDD with Porn then had to resort to CD/DVDs. Enough to fill up BOXES?!?!
I salute you sir!
I shall call you MASTER!
You don't check your mail just before going to bed? Hand your card in on the way out.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Playboy did do a pictorial of the Girls of Washington DC. It was quite nice.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
1/ Traffic shaping to let ssh in even if the link is saturated so I can use pine on the mailbox.
2/ If it's not from something inside the network sending notifications by email I don't care - forget people from the outside I only want email from machines chatting about how they are going in one neat subject line.
Can I get that card back now?
It sounds like you might have a case, if you got those reasons in writing.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
"No in companies, surfing porn can and often gets you fired. In Government doing the same just gets you transferred to the next site/department."
I really wish that people would stop with this idea that somehow corporations are magically different than government. I've been in very large corporations where surfing porn was perfectly acceptable and in government offices where doing so would result in termination. It's all about the culture of the organization-if supported or enabled by management it will happen. Likewise, if management doesn't want it to happen, it won't. The fact that it is a private or government organization is really irrelevant.
"It is just too f'n hard to fire people in government."
Not really. All it requires is the desire and documentation. Pretty much the same thing any intelligent private organization will do in an attempt to prevent a lawsuit. The real problem is that most managers are lazy and unwilling to do their job. The great thing about having lots of rules and regulations is that it is easy to find violations (you don't thing the employee handbook is there to help the employee do you?).
I think they were innocently looking for information on President Bush. After all, he was their boss at the time this happened. ;-p
-Eric
a bit of down time with a browser is not a big deal.
Unless you are making use of an insecure Windows box and manage to infect it, and the rest of your subnet.
Take all men off porn, and anarchy will ensue. Take all women off porn, and the sexual freedom advances weve seen so far, will die.
Porn is reality, after all. We may like it, we may not like it. We may find it appropriate or not that it is so available, or even that it exists. But it is, like any kind of content with a public, an expression of humans, and has been so since weve been able to depict desires in paint.
We give it this or that moral weight depending on our culture but the fact of the matter is since ancient grece, people bought sexy vases with people having sex for whatever purposes.
I thus argue porn interchange, as well as plain prostitution, are one of the most ancient economic activities we have had and no ammount of law will ever be able to, and for that reason we probably need not make any laws against (big word here) them, thwart or in any way diminish either buyers of sellers of real or depicted sex.
The ammount of the economy they make? Its not really that important: they have a market, a good one, of die hards. They cover a social and personal need. They are here because we (for diferent vaules of "we") need them.
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Equivalent statistics, please, for the number of bankers engaged in surfing for porn instead of carefully considering the riskiness of their investment activities.
It WAS my job, to surf porn, you insensitive clod!
Seriously. Part of me and my colleague’s jobs was QA. Which included our porn channel.
Also, private surfing was never a problem, as long as you did get your job done and the team worked. Which is all that counts.
Doesn’t matter if it is porn, or some other essential most basic human interest.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.