When people begin talking about how mono is just reimplementing "evil microsoft products", I always like to draw out this quote from Miguel (sorry for stealing it!)
* GNU was based on a proprietary technology.
GNU is a free re-implementations of Unix. Linux is a
re-implementation of the Unix kernel. Before the advent of Linux
and the Berkeley Unix, Unix was a proprietary technology, built by
ATT (which back in the day, was a monopoly).
Still, developers took what was good from Unix, and
reimplemented a free version of it. Down to the Unix programming
language: C (which was also invented at ATT). Even C++ was
invented at ATT.
Think of Mono as following the same process: we are bringing
the best technology out there to our beloved free software
platform. And at the same time it serves to be a magnificent
upgrade on the development platform.
Gamers are growing older. We don't all have time to spend eight or 10 hours at a time playing Final Fantasy. We also don't all have time to play games every single day. Sometimes we go back to a game we were playing and don't even remember what the heck we were doing.
No. YOU are getting older. Sure the average gamer is getting slightly older but it's important to remember that you =\= world. 10 years ago older gamers were complaining about not having time to play games. Things have got MUCH better than they were then (remember all the games that took 5-12 hours to finish and had NO save states or passwords at all).
While that sounds good in principle, the problem is that for most companies the limiting fact is that they have too much information to deal with rather than not enough processing power.
Grid requires that you are doing things that don't require too much data to be pushed around (at least not compared to the amount of work that has to be done on the data). For large databases and the like, the problem is just sorting through the data and sending it somewhere else won't help because the effort of sending it there is probably no more than the effort of just looking through it for what you wanted.
So, XML is the "standard to end all standards, the way in which every single application can communicate with every other application from now till the end of time"
Until they bring out XML 1.1 of course, and now half the apps will be 1.0 complient, and the other half 1.1, therefore destroying the main purpose of XML.
I'm not saying that this update wasn't probably necessary or useful, but all those people who were using XML because "Its the most standardist standard of all time!" should probably take note.
Where exactly does he say he doesn't run anti-virus software?
I am in the same situation. One windows XP machine, one windows 2000. I install all the automatically downloaded patches, run the free AVG virus checker, and have never seen a virus except as attachments to emails I would never run.
If he does mind people downloading his entire site, why not box the whole lot up and offer it as a bittorrent file? Of course then he has the problem that he may have to run the torrent when no-one else is seeding it, but that's an easy way to limit bandwidth uses.
To stop wget, edit your robots.txt and forbid it. Hopefully people will obey...
I feel I have to reply to this (particularily because part of it is being aimed at me).
I have nothing against co-operation, nothing at all. However it often seems that "co-operation" is in fact just complying the the GPL.
The most obvious method of this is that everyone always discusses being "GPL-compatable". I always considered compatability as a 2-way street.
While I'm here and people may be reading my message, I'll take the opportunity to ask a question I've been wondering about for a while:)
The GPL v2 talks about the code being re-licensable under later versions of the GPL. It seems to me that if I wanted to not include that term (in the unlikely chance that the FSF was taken over by microsoft or some such thing), my code would then not be GPL compatable, as I would not be allowing the relicensing against anything which called itself GPL v3 (which I think could be itself incompatable with the GPL v2).
Under a similar vain, surely no licence can be GPL compatable, because if it was then that would mean it accepted the right of the FSF to relicence the code under any licence it saw fit.
Now I'm sure I've made a mistake there, but I've never been able to find out what it was:)
GPL code is not worse than propietory by itself. What is bad is that some people (including myself) see the aim of the GPL to make all open-source code eventually end up under the GPL. Already increasing numbers of useful libraries are being GPLed. Just because open-source is good doesn't mean we want every piece of open source code under the GPL.
This isn't a troll, but seriously, why should it be GPL compatable? The only way to be GPL compatable is to have a licence where the software can re-licensed under the GPL. The GPL states it can only be linked with other software under the GPL (or under a licence which basically means the same thing)
If the GPL is unwilling to be compatable with anyone else, why should anyone be too worried about being compatable with the GPL.
I've always thought this is a slightly strange target. Surely the point is that a compiler should be the one piece of software which is tailered to each CPU it runs on, so that the rest of us who write C/C++/whatever don't have to?
But it would work just as well with.txts. On my computer at least these sometimes aren't displayed inline (I assume mis-configured webserver), so I always just click open and they appear in notepad.
Actually, it looks to me like all your are describing is a combined mp3 player / flash drive or portable hard disc. There are lots and lots of players that will do that. sorry.
I imagine that one reason that Intel doesn't want to release these details is because the driver has too much control over the device. If as much work as it seems is done by the processor, then that probably means you could force the chip to do some strange things. The most obvious ones that come to mind are a) increase power (although I can't really see why that would be a problem), b) sniff to your heart's content, and c) try a DOS attack on any nearby networks by saturating the airwaves with crap.
Intel doesn't want to risk being associated with these kinds of things (and you know if they released an open source driver, someone would).
This still doesn't however totally explain their not releasing a closed-source driver...
If you actually look at the candidates, most say that amazon is currently asking for permission to accept donations. Looks like they may have launched this a little too early...
What I really want to see is some AMD 32-bit / 64-bit comparison benchmarks.. I've been unable to find any so far which show if recompiling in 64-bit mode is worth it in terms of speed boost (obviously it's useful to break the 4GB barrier, but does it also improve speed?)
It it true that porting an application quickly is always going to result in a less impressive application than if you re-wrote from the ground up, writing ASM for all system-critical bits.
On the other hand, if you have a well-designed system then porting should still produce a quality application. This isn't the case for ports to the PS2 (as it wasn't in the case of the Saturn). This just means the PS2 is a bugger to program. That sounds like Sony's fault to me.
All the PS2->X-box conversions I've seen, while not looking as good as Xbox apps could do have mostly looked better than the original PS2 versions..
Just one little thing... There is nothing that protects linux from adware/spyware and Kazaa except not having written versions for linux yet. It will be interesting to see what happens when the writers of "evil" software decide the time has come to move to linux...
So wait.. let me get this stright. If Mplayer stole this stuff from KISS, why did KISS invent a new subtitle format which they never told anyone about, which the mplayer people just happened to decide to launch? This has crap written all over it
Lets all be honest here. Clearly lindows is called so to make it appear to be linux+windows. Thats what everyone things when they see it, and that was the plan from the start.
Now we've all accepted that, clearly they are trying to leapfrog onto Microsoft's name and it is in my opinion sufficently close people could get confused (and think it is "another windows", which it isn't)...
> Until consumer rights laws which: > - Disallow SIM Locking on cellphones
They do this, your phone will go up in price about 3 times (you gone to see how expensive unlocked phones are.. thats how much they cost to build). I'm happy to have a sim-locked phone
> - Disallow lengthly contracts
Wait.. you want to ban people from being allowed to get discounts by having a long contract? What kind of statement is that?
Think more carefully... these things are there for a reason, not everything big companies do is them "out to get you".
Actually, your PGP key would be one of the most insecure:)
PGP's strength requires on factoring two primes multiplied together. However we only know one prime this big, so if you key is bigger than this prime, we have a fairly good idea what one of the factors is!
The 250k license is a per-COMPANY licence.
Also I imagine would be very, very suprised if buying a licence gives you permission to give a licence to everyone who buys your product, and everyone they give a copy to, etc. which of course GPL compatability would require.
I seriously suspect that this FAT licence will be GPL incompatable, mainly because making it GPL compatable would (to be fair to Microsoft) defeat the purpose, because then any company releasing GPLed software could use FAT code in their product
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* GNU was based on a proprietary technology. GNU is a free re-implementations of Unix. Linux is a re-implementation of the Unix kernel. Before the advent of Linux and the Berkeley Unix, Unix was a proprietary technology, built by ATT (which back in the day, was a monopoly). Still, developers took what was good from Unix, and reimplemented a free version of it. Down to the Unix programming language: C (which was also invented at ATT). Even C++ was invented at ATT. Think of Mono as following the same process: we are bringing the best technology out there to our beloved free software platform. And at the same time it serves to be a magnificent upgrade on the development platform.
Actually there has been some work (its only on mailing lists, not public yet) of getting wine to run under cygwin, which is almost a win32 port.
:)
Of course wine should also run cygwin (as it's a windows program), so eventually you will be able to run wine under itself
No. YOU are getting older. Sure the average gamer is getting slightly older but it's important to remember that you =\= world. 10 years ago older gamers were complaining about not having time to play games. Things have got MUCH better than they were then (remember all the games that took 5-12 hours to finish and had NO save states or passwords at all).
While that sounds good in principle, the problem is that for most companies the limiting fact is that they have too much information to deal with rather than not enough processing power.
Grid requires that you are doing things that don't require too much data to be pushed around (at least not compared to the amount of work that has to be done on the data). For large databases and the like, the problem is just sorting through the data and sending it somewhere else won't help because the effort of sending it there is probably no more than the effort of just looking through it for what you wanted.
So, XML is the "standard to end all standards, the way in which every single application can communicate with every other application from now till the end of time"
Until they bring out XML 1.1 of course, and now half the apps will be 1.0 complient, and the other half 1.1, therefore destroying the main purpose of XML.
I'm not saying that this update wasn't probably necessary or useful, but all those people who were using XML because "Its the most standardist standard of all time!" should probably take note.
Where exactly does he say he doesn't run anti-virus software? I am in the same situation. One windows XP machine, one windows 2000. I install all the automatically downloaded patches, run the free AVG virus checker, and have never seen a virus except as attachments to emails I would never run.
*shock* News flash! In about 6 months to a year, there will be faster computers. Who would have expected that??
If he does mind people downloading his entire site, why not box the whole lot up and offer it as a bittorrent file? Of course then he has the problem that he may have to run the torrent when no-one else is seeding it, but that's an easy way to limit bandwidth uses.
To stop wget, edit your robots.txt and forbid it. Hopefully people will obey...
I feel I have to reply to this (particularily because part of it is being aimed at me).
:)
:)
I have nothing against co-operation, nothing at all. However it often seems that "co-operation" is in fact just complying the the GPL.
The most obvious method of this is that everyone always discusses being "GPL-compatable". I always considered compatability as a 2-way street.
While I'm here and people may be reading my message, I'll take the opportunity to ask a question I've been wondering about for a while
The GPL v2 talks about the code being re-licensable under later versions of the GPL. It seems to me that if I wanted to not include that term (in the unlikely chance that the FSF was taken over by microsoft or some such thing), my code would then not be GPL compatable, as I would not be allowing the relicensing against anything which called itself GPL v3 (which I think could be itself incompatable with the GPL v2).
Under a similar vain, surely no licence can be GPL compatable, because if it was then that would mean it accepted the right of the FSF to relicence the code under any licence it saw fit.
Now I'm sure I've made a mistake there, but I've never been able to find out what it was
GPL code is not worse than propietory by itself. What is bad is that some people (including myself) see the aim of the GPL to make all open-source code eventually end up under the GPL. Already increasing numbers of useful libraries are being GPLed. Just because open-source is good doesn't mean we want every piece of open source code under the GPL.
This isn't a troll, but seriously, why should it be GPL compatable? The only way to be GPL compatable is to have a licence where the software can re-licensed under the GPL. The GPL states it can only be linked with other software under the GPL (or under a licence which basically means the same thing)
If the GPL is unwilling to be compatable with anyone else, why should anyone be too worried about being compatable with the GPL.
Remember. Open source =\= GPL.
I've always thought this is a slightly strange target. Surely the point is that a compiler should be the one piece of software which is tailered to each CPU it runs on, so that the rest of us who write C/C++/whatever don't have to?
But it would work just as well with .txts. On my computer at least these sometimes aren't displayed inline (I assume mis-configured webserver), so I always just click open and they appear in notepad.
Except now I can't.
Actually, it looks to me like all your are describing is a combined mp3 player / flash drive or portable hard disc. There are lots and lots of players that will do that. sorry.
I imagine that one reason that Intel doesn't want to release these details is because the driver has too much control over the device. If as much work as it seems is done by the processor, then that probably means you could force the chip to do some strange things. The most obvious ones that come to mind are a) increase power (although I can't really see why that would be a problem), b) sniff to your heart's content, and c) try a DOS attack on any nearby networks by saturating the airwaves with crap.
Intel doesn't want to risk being associated with these kinds of things (and you know if they released an open source driver, someone would).
This still doesn't however totally explain their not releasing a closed-source driver...
If you actually look at the candidates, most say that amazon is currently asking for permission to accept donations. Looks like they may have launched this a little too early...
I already know this! :)
I want comparison 32-bit linux/apps -> 64-bit linux/apps on the same computer!
What I really want to see is some AMD 32-bit / 64-bit comparison benchmarks.. I've been unable to find any so far which show if recompiling in 64-bit mode is worth it in terms of speed boost (obviously it's useful to break the 4GB barrier, but does it also improve speed?)
It it true that porting an application quickly is always going to result in a less impressive application than if you re-wrote from the ground up, writing ASM for all system-critical bits.
On the other hand, if you have a well-designed system then porting should still produce a quality application. This isn't the case for ports to the PS2 (as it wasn't in the case of the Saturn). This just means the PS2 is a bugger to program. That sounds like Sony's fault to me.
All the PS2->X-box conversions I've seen, while not looking as good as Xbox apps could do have mostly looked better than the original PS2 versions..
Just one little thing...
There is nothing that protects linux from adware/spyware and Kazaa except not having written versions for linux yet. It will be interesting to see what happens when the writers of "evil" software decide the time has come to move to linux...
So wait.. let me get this stright. If Mplayer stole this stuff from KISS, why did KISS invent a new subtitle format which they never told anyone about, which the mplayer people just happened to decide to launch? This has crap written all over it
Lets all be honest here. Clearly lindows is called so to make it appear to be linux+windows. Thats what everyone things when they see it, and that was the plan from the start.
Now we've all accepted that, clearly they are trying to leapfrog onto Microsoft's name and it is in my opinion sufficently close people could get confused (and think it is "another windows", which it isn't)...
> Until consumer rights laws which:
> - Disallow SIM Locking on cellphones
They do this, your phone will go up in price about 3 times (you gone to see how expensive unlocked phones are.. thats how much they cost to build). I'm happy to have a sim-locked phone
> - Disallow lengthly contracts
Wait.. you want to ban people from being allowed to get discounts by having a long contract? What kind of statement is that?
Think more carefully... these things are there for a reason, not everything big companies do is them "out to get you".
Actually, your PGP key would be one of the most insecure :)
PGP's strength requires on factoring two primes multiplied together. However we only know one prime this big, so if you key is bigger than this prime, we have a fairly good idea what one of the factors is!
The 250k license is a per-COMPANY licence. Also I imagine would be very, very suprised if buying a licence gives you permission to give a licence to everyone who buys your product, and everyone they give a copy to, etc. which of course GPL compatability would require. I seriously suspect that this FAT licence will be GPL incompatable, mainly because making it GPL compatable would (to be fair to Microsoft) defeat the purpose, because then any company releasing GPLed software could use FAT code in their product