The 'Apple invented everything' people are just living out the tradition that was celebrated wildly in the Stalinist Soviet Union of claiming everything was invented there. Remember Checkov in Star Trek?
There are some contradictions in the arguement being made here. There is no 'barrier to entry' for musicians. You record your music and you find an independent Net Radio program to broadcast it for you.
The 'barrier' seems to be in place when people want to put up Web broadcasting sites and use the mass marketed pabulum music. Which is NOT the music made by the independent musicians.
It always seems to revolve around a 'gimmie gimme' attitude that people seem to think they have the right to broadcast music made by artists whose permission they do not have, nor do they care if they have.
If you're going to build your alternative music industry, stop trying to play Brittney on it. It's really that simple.
not only did it allow multiple people to look at the same book simultaneously, but it also allowed rare books to be preserved - they weren't handled anymore, so they weren't damaged.
Actually, in many cases when books are digitized, they use a razor blade to slit the spine off the book, they make a bad scan that completely wipes out the illustrations, then the loose pages are shredded and converted to pulp.
It borders on fascism, and it definitely ranks right up there with bookburning.
The Bush administration just doesn't get it, a police state is NOT how you handle terrorists. You take away the terrorist's ability to complain by making his country somewhat wealthy.
Clearly, you don't get it. Bin Laden is wealthy and his spat with Western Civilization is based on his extreme cultish beliefs. If his country wasn't wealthy he wouldn't have the power he does to attack.
Obviously, what happened was Apple gave up on producing their 'next generation OS' (Pink, what-not, all that buzzword stuff they spent millions on in the early to mid 90's that had the cute names). They bought NeXT and threw a modern destkop layer on NextSTEP. NextSTEP happens to have somewhat of a Unix heritage.
UNIX happens to be a fashionable thing at the moment, and Apple Computer has always reeked of fashion the way a cheap hooker reeks of perfume.
I've been able to afford a Mac since about the time they first came out. People like me have boycotted Apple hardware since about then. Jobs made a famous speech where he boasted that the Macintosh was a 'hacker proof' computer in a sealed plastic box. It was part of that 'for the rest of us' bull.
Fuck that. I am not 'the rest of us' and no self respecting geek wants to join that throng either.
Unfortunately, in the case of many enviromentalists, it is the lifetime committment to change which overrides all other concerns. They're angry for some reason at the status quo and go out seeking for reasons to mandate change to that status quo.
But Slashdot is a hotbed of angry dissidents and people who want to buck the mainstream (i.e. the whole anything-but-'whatever is the mainstream computing platform' crowd- last decade IBM, this decade Microsoft), so you're the one who has lots of company.
That has happened with PCB, DDT, CRC and other fine chemichals in past.
Actually, in the case of DDT there's a fairly substantial body of evidence to show that we were rather hasty in banning it based mostly on emotional appeal, and that if it hadn't been banned millions of people wouldn't have died of malaria.
Well, cool. We've now completely changed the subject. We're no longer talking about running MacOS X on x86 clone hardware, nor about being able to acquire third party PPC motherboards to run it on.
We're talking about eagerly buying single sourced hardware from a single vendor in order to run the OS that the vendor deins to allow us to run the wonderful 'UNIX' on.
I wasn't aware the OS X had been branded a UNIX. Is that true? When did they get the formal testing to make said claim? Are they POSIX compliant too? When was the formal testing to get certification performed?
It isn't the vendors of the multiple sources of x86 hardware that prevent us from running 'the best desktop version of UNIX' (a dubious claim on several levels). It's Apple Computer.
Why am I even arguing with a Mac Head? It's a bloody religion.
No, Linux was created because Minix is a rather static pedagogical operating system used for teaching Computer Science. Some of the people hacking Minix (i.e. Linus) wanted to make Minix into something more, and the solution was to create something else instead.
Minix is still useful, and used, for what it was originally designed.
No, the x86 folks have dozens, even hundreds of choices of motherboards to use. They don't have a single source motherboard they can strip out of it's vendor's case and put into a generic case.
What they can't emulate is the ideas that come from a grass-roots community.
List a few ideas in Linux that 'came from a grass-roots community' and did so because of the 'grass roots' nature of Linux.
One, or several examples would make your arguement stronger. I'm afraid you'll probably not be able to cite any strong examples, though. Linux is so very much about copying, rather than innovating.
More likely the danger would be in non-minority people discovering faint genetic traces of minority blood lines and abusing that fact to gain special privlidges they otherwise wouldn't be able to receive (or deserve).
Which special privledges do these minority blood lines deserve in the first place? Maybe this will sweep out a lot of that BS.
A number of years back, I had the Linux zealot disease rather badly. I was one of those idiots who flame about how Linux is everything on the linux.advocacy group. Using my real name, and the email address that for a time I was putting on my resume. As bad or worse than some of the Linux critters who (still!) carry on like that here.
Thank goodness Google has a feature now where you can request to have your Usenet posts permanently removed from their archive.
Macs can network. They, of course, need a special little set of services so their weird byzantine filesystem will work.
Of course, the NTFS allows multiple resource forks.
Most IT people consider the Macintosh a support headache because of the personalities of the people they encounter. Chip on the shoulder doesn't properly describe the zealotry they have to deal with.
And the cultishness is a big part of Macintosh. It has to be, for them to survive as a cohesive subculture.
Now, if it didn't attract contrarian-for-the-sake-of-it mofos, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
It's called 'Anything But Microsoft' and it's been a trend for years. There are your average end users who detest the Microsoft products because of problems they experience. Then there are the ABMers, who are contrarians to the bone.
Many of us have known ABMers. If Microsoft didn't exist, they'd find some other reason to distinguish themselves...
Yes. It allows payment, but it dissolves all value in making payment. After I pay you six dollars for my copy of the software, I can turn around and sell my six copies for a dollar each, and/or my six hundred copies for ten cents apiece. Or I can give it away, and the copy I bought from you will be the only copy you ever sell.
And please, no, don't preach at me about the GPL. Enough of that goes on here already.
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The 'Apple invented everything' people are just living out the tradition that was celebrated wildly in the Stalinist Soviet Union of claiming everything was invented there. Remember Checkov in Star Trek?
But, but, but... don't you realize you've just violated his copyright?
Yes, I know. Copyright isn't very respected here. Unless it's the copyright that is the only protection of GPL'd software, of course.
It works on my Windows 2000 machine. I just click on the .ps file and it opens up Acrobat Distiller and makes it into a .pdf file.
What's this 'art' you're talking about?
We were discussing Lucas' films here, you know?
There are some contradictions in the arguement being made here. There is no 'barrier to entry' for musicians. You record your music and you find an independent Net Radio program to broadcast it for you.
The 'barrier' seems to be in place when people want to put up Web broadcasting sites and use the mass marketed pabulum music. Which is NOT the music made by the independent musicians.
It always seems to revolve around a 'gimmie gimme' attitude that people seem to think they have the right to broadcast music made by artists whose permission they do not have, nor do they care if they have.
If you're going to build your alternative music industry, stop trying to play Brittney on it. It's really that simple.
not only did it allow multiple people to look at the same book simultaneously, but it also allowed rare books to be preserved - they weren't handled anymore, so they weren't damaged.
Actually, in many cases when books are digitized, they use a razor blade to slit the spine off the book, they make a bad scan that completely wipes out the illustrations, then the loose pages are shredded and converted to pulp.
It borders on fascism, and it definitely ranks right up there with bookburning.
I'm glad you explained that acronym. I've wondered for a long time why those files had PHD for their abbreviation.
They don't? You say you have this nervous disorder that makes your left hand rest over the shift key and twitch at random??
It's frightening when the young people start having their whole worldview and philsophical outlook shaped by a few fantasy motion pictures.
The Bush administration just doesn't get it, a police state is NOT how you handle terrorists. You take away the terrorist's ability to complain by making his country somewhat wealthy.
Clearly, you don't get it. Bin Laden is wealthy and his spat with Western Civilization is based on his extreme cultish beliefs. If his country wasn't wealthy he wouldn't have the power he does to attack.
Yeah, URLs were supposed to be permanently stable.
And cyberspace was supposed to make us free.
Etc., etc. (digging in pile of old Mondo 2000 back issues....)
It was a rhetorical question.
Obviously, what happened was Apple gave up on producing their 'next generation OS' (Pink, what-not, all that buzzword stuff they spent millions on in the early to mid 90's that had the cute names). They bought NeXT and threw a modern destkop layer on NextSTEP. NextSTEP happens to have somewhat of a Unix heritage.
UNIX happens to be a fashionable thing at the moment, and Apple Computer has always reeked of fashion the way a cheap hooker reeks of perfume.
I've been able to afford a Mac since about the time they first came out. People like me have boycotted Apple hardware since about then. Jobs made a famous speech where he boasted that the Macintosh was a 'hacker proof' computer in a sealed plastic box. It was part of that 'for the rest of us' bull.
Fuck that. I am not 'the rest of us' and no self respecting geek wants to join that throng either.
lifetime commitment to change.
Unfortunately, in the case of many enviromentalists, it is the lifetime committment to change which overrides all other concerns. They're angry for some reason at the status quo and go out seeking for reasons to mandate change to that status quo.
But Slashdot is a hotbed of angry dissidents and people who want to buck the mainstream (i.e. the whole anything-but-'whatever is the mainstream computing platform' crowd- last decade IBM, this decade Microsoft), so you're the one who has lots of company.
That has happened with PCB, DDT, CRC and other fine chemichals in past.
Actually, in the case of DDT there's a fairly substantial body of evidence to show that we were rather hasty in banning it based mostly on emotional appeal, and that if it hadn't been banned millions of people wouldn't have died of malaria.
You can search on the topic with Google.
Well, cool. We've now completely changed the subject. We're no longer talking about running MacOS X on x86 clone hardware, nor about being able to acquire third party PPC motherboards to run it on.
We're talking about eagerly buying single sourced hardware from a single vendor in order to run the OS that the vendor deins to allow us to run the wonderful 'UNIX' on.
I wasn't aware the OS X had been branded a UNIX. Is that true? When did they get the formal testing to make said claim? Are they POSIX compliant too? When was the formal testing to get certification performed?
F you and the Mac you rode into town on.
Wow. You've turned the whole issue around.
It isn't the vendors of the multiple sources of x86 hardware that prevent us from running 'the best desktop version of UNIX' (a dubious claim on several levels). It's Apple Computer.
Why am I even arguing with a Mac Head? It's a bloody religion.
No, Linux was created because Minix is a rather static pedagogical operating system used for teaching Computer Science. Some of the people hacking Minix (i.e. Linus) wanted to make Minix into something more, and the solution was to create something else instead.
Minix is still useful, and used, for what it was originally designed.
No, the x86 folks have dozens, even hundreds of choices of motherboards to use. They don't have a single source motherboard they can strip out of it's vendor's case and put into a generic case.
What they can't emulate is the ideas that come from a grass-roots community.
List a few ideas in Linux that 'came from a grass-roots community' and did so because of the 'grass roots' nature of Linux.
One, or several examples would make your arguement stronger. I'm afraid you'll probably not be able to cite any strong examples, though. Linux is so very much about copying, rather than innovating.
More likely the danger would be in non-minority people discovering faint genetic traces of minority blood lines and abusing that fact to gain special privlidges they otherwise wouldn't be able to receive (or deserve).
Which special privledges do these minority blood lines deserve in the first place? Maybe this will sweep out a lot of that BS.
That's why we all use anonymous handles here.
A number of years back, I had the Linux zealot disease rather badly. I was one of those idiots who flame about how Linux is everything on the linux.advocacy group. Using my real name, and the email address that for a time I was putting on my resume. As bad or worse than some of the Linux critters who (still!) carry on like that here.
Thank goodness Google has a feature now where you can request to have your Usenet posts permanently removed from their archive.
Macs can network. They, of course, need a special little set of services so their weird byzantine filesystem will work.
Of course, the NTFS allows multiple resource forks.
Most IT people consider the Macintosh a support headache because of the personalities of the people they encounter. Chip on the shoulder doesn't properly describe the zealotry they have to deal with.
And the cultishness is a big part of Macintosh. It has to be, for them to survive as a cohesive subculture.
Now, if it didn't attract contrarian-for-the-sake-of-it mofos, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
It's called 'Anything But Microsoft' and it's been a trend for years. There are your average end users who detest the Microsoft products because of problems they experience. Then there are the ABMers, who are contrarians to the bone.
Many of us have known ABMers. If Microsoft didn't exist, they'd find some other reason to distinguish themselves...
Yes. It allows payment, but it dissolves all value in making payment. After I pay you six dollars for my copy of the software, I can turn around and sell my six copies for a dollar each, and/or my six hundred copies for ten cents apiece. Or I can give it away, and the copy I bought from you will be the only copy you ever sell.
And please, no, don't preach at me about the GPL. Enough of that goes on here already.
No, it's like he thinks Apple Computer wouldn't be worse, and wasn't worse when they had the power to be so in the past.
The Demms certainly have their drawbacks, but they're a lot better than the Republicans in going after companies abusing power.
Or, conversely, it could be said the Democrats are a lot better than the Republicans at using the abusive powers of government.
Somebody had to say it. Might as well be me.