Huh? How new are these? I bought two Macs two years ago. To get inside, I lift a handle on my G4 or two tabs on my iBook. Yes, i need quarters or pennies to get at the battery, but those aren't tools. And these weren't the first of their kind with these form factors.
Apple tends to listen to some extent to those people. I never heard (might be wrong) of Dell changing a design because of popular demand.
Are you perhaps referring to the Public Beta? Heck, I know how pissed I would've been if they'd taken away the Apple Menu. That and three other menus have been in every (?) version of the Mac OS.
Trivia for the day: The Mac OS's Finder menus were originally all verbs.
Actually, the hardware warranty is for a year. It's the don't-ask-for-a-credit-card-number tech support that's only 3 months. (And if it is a hardware problem after all, you're not charged. I can personally attest to that.)
YES! Spring-loaded folders! They're coming back in Jaguar! That's worth $30! So is being able to use the keyboard again in Open/Save boxes! That's worth $40!
Oh, wait.... that covers my student price. And I haven't even mentioned Quartz Extreme or Rendezvous. Ah well, another thread...
Hey, remember how we were during the 10.0 period? Sheesh.
Apple/OS X/Aqua fans, be glad the GNU/Linux users are supporting Apple in the form of hardware sales. No matter what a reseller does, Apple will get some portion of the price. (Probably the same no matter what the reseller does.) This will inevitably go to development of OS X, to some extent. However, if you flame them, you may shoo them off to some other architecture.
YDL and GNU/Linux fans, welcome to the club. Enjoy the hardware, but try the OS as well. If you need any help, be sure to check out Apple's support site, including the discussion boards. Just keep in mind that most people will be expecting Mac OS 9/X users, so they may or may not be of much help. And remember, it only gets better from here.
You'd think people would realize that this benefits everyone.
Even experienced computer users can be confused by multi-button mice. I can't tell you the number of times I've been using Windows, when all of a sudden I hit the wrong mouse button and the damned mine blows up.:)
I see the PC got 194 fps at 640x480 to the Mac's 111. Now, last time I checked (i.e., now), my Mac's monitor's refresh rate at 640x480 was 154Hz. Last time I looked at a PC's, it was about 85 or so. Heck, at 1024x768 it's only 99Hz, which at that point is less than the fps for that resolution. And an entry-level Mac card will give me more fps than my monitor's refresh rate? Why does fps beyond the refresh rate matter? Who cares if it's rendering 100+fps if you only see 85 or so?
Well, that depends. Are you using the 600MHz chip or the 500MHz chip. If it's 600MHz, that makes it a G3 (right?), and there is a significant advantage in OS X to using a G4 (or two) over a G3. OS X is sometimes slow on my iBook, but on my dual G4 (450) it's pretty speedy. Even when playing a DivX in a minimizing window when holding down the Shift key. Oh, and running SETI.:)
The main reason I don't read MegaTokyo, for all its fans and recommendations, is that I don't generally feel like translating "1337" to English. When 1337-speak shows up in the archive headings about half the time, it's probably a comic not worth my time.
That said, I don't suppose the book is going to have translations? Or is that supposed to be what makes it funny?
That said, I'd offer you $700 for your G4 right now.;-) It's nowhere near the purchase price, I'm sure, but after all your machine is nearly two years old. Getting 1/3 of the price you paid for it after two years would be pretty good, I think.
That's all well and good, but I don't have the $2000 to add to it to buy the system I'd want to replace it with.:-) Since I'm still not yet in the market to sell, I'd suggest you check out the Dual G4 listings on eBay. Several of them are currently at about that price point. All told, I'd say that a fair offer for my system, sans monitor, of course.
Actually, I for one thought Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone was more enjoyable than The Phantom Menace. I bought the former, not the latter. Quidditch (sp?) and authentic accents beat out podracing and affected accents.
As for Episode 2, it was rather mediocre. If the scene with Senator ex-Queen Amidala Portman had been longer and had better lighting, maybe even less leather, it might have made up for Hyperactive Bouncing Superball Yoda.
You mean a year of 365.2422 days? Well, if you want to be precise, though not necessarily accurate, a TI-85:-) says there are 365.24219878125 days in a year. Of course, if the Earth keeps screwing up, who knows where we'll be?
I think on some old Mac OS versions it's going to screw up in 2069, possibly due to a combination of the Unix epoch and 2-digit formatting. Though I seem to recall System 7 displaying the date as "1/3/1", or something.
Or if that's not enough, the perpetual calendar I wrote for my TI-85 should screw up in another 27,379,090,647 years or so.
don't hold your breath. As I said in the petition, the public's upgrade price should be about $69, and the student's should be about $39.
What Apple (and its customers) need to keep in mind is that unlike Windows, with its myriad versions of the OS, each supposedly targeted for a different market (Home, Professional, etc.), Apple really only has one. Well, unless you're running a professional-grade server, in which case you get OS X Server with it, don't you?
New 10.2 won't support "old" graphics cards made six months ago. Yes it will. it just does not enable the "quartz extreme" feature and it falls back on the default quartz
Actually, that's not true. Quartz Extreme only requires 16MB on the vid card. The low-end stock vid card in my 2-year old G4 has 16MB. Last generation's Powerbooks had 16MB, I believe, and I'm pretty sure that's also true for the white iBooks with the TiBook form factor. Quartz Extreme, never mind 10.2, will be supporting many "6-month old" graphics cards.
Buying a Mac is easier to justify, because I know (unless I buy right before a product cycle, say now) that the workstation I buy today will hold its value for 8 to 12 months, easy. This is a good thing, both for Apple and for customers.
Agreed. I have a Dual 450 from fall 2000 (21 months?) and I'd say it's still worth the money. Granted, I've upgraded the RAM twice and added a second hard drive. (Wouldn't that lock out XP, or is that when I replace the vid card in a few months?) It still doesn't seem sluggish, and I don't see any issues with graphics and such, even without Quartz Extreme. The iBook from the same time should probably become a Powerbook G4, but them things is luxury laptops.
(Side note: a PC friend of mine now has nothing to complain about regarding OS X, now that the graphics won't "suck up the entire CPU". Not that I ever noticed it doing that.)
Hmmm, maybe the reason Apple has to charge for software nowadays is that their hardware lasts for so long.
Actually, my iBook is my preferred machine for StarCraft. (It unfortunately doesn't meet the specs for War3.) It's so convenient to have your mouse (trackpad) so close to your keyboard. Set rally points. 0sz9sz8sz7sz. A minute later, I have 24 zerglings ready to group. And how to do that? Control click, control-1, burrow. Control click, control-2, burrow. Pop and attack. Where did I need a second mous button? Attack? Nope. Attack-move. Hit the 'A' key and single click on the ground.
I suppose that could be for several reasons. First, maybe it's like Final Cut Pro in that you need that speed for real-time effects.
Secondly, look at the graphics card requirements for the Windows version. I've never heard of any of those. Looking them up at their respective web sites, I can see why. The PC version requires what's considered a "workstation" video card. The Mac version can use factory cards. Sounds like the CPU gets more work to do on the Mac side of things. Let's hope it's Alti-Vec enabled.
If you believe the Apple ads, it seems like you could do pretty much the same thing in an airline seat. I don't suppose anyone's here who's actually used both in a production setting who can comment?
Whatever you do, don't get the low-end model in the G4 tower lineup. There's almost always significant differences between the low-end and mid-grade towers for a not-as-significant difference in price.
Another thing to keep in mind that hasn't been mentioned much here (if at all), is the hard drive. If you'll be doing a lot of disk-intensive stuff, and it sounds like you might be, consider getting the SCSI hard drives instead of the ATA. At the very least, the SCSI drives run at 10,000 rpm to the ATA's 7200.
As for my personal experience with speed and OS X and all, I have a dual 450, currently with 512MB of RAM, and OS X on a 40GB 7200rpm Maxtor hard drive. Everything runs fine for me. Well, IE likes to hang sometimes, but that's it.
(Yes, I use IE. It's more CSS compliant than anything else! At least, last time W3C checked.)
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Huh? How new are these? I bought two Macs two years ago. To get inside, I lift a handle on my G4 or two tabs on my iBook. Yes, i need quarters or pennies to get at the battery, but those aren't tools. And these weren't the first of their kind with these form factors.
Apple tends to listen to some extent to those people. I never heard (might be wrong) of Dell changing a design because of popular demand.
Are you perhaps referring to the Public Beta? Heck, I know how pissed I would've been if they'd taken away the Apple Menu. That and three other menus have been in every (?) version of the Mac OS.
Trivia for the day: The Mac OS's Finder menus were originally all verbs.
Actually, the hardware warranty is for a year. It's the don't-ask-for-a-credit-card-number tech support that's only 3 months. (And if it is a hardware problem after all, you're not charged. I can personally attest to that.)
YES! Spring-loaded folders! They're coming back in Jaguar! That's worth $30! So is being able to use the keyboard again in Open/Save boxes! That's worth $40!
Oh, wait.... that covers my student price. And I haven't even mentioned Quartz Extreme or Rendezvous. Ah well, another thread...
Hey, remember how we were during the 10.0 period? Sheesh.
Geez, everyone, it's as simple as this:
Apple/OS X/Aqua fans, be glad the GNU/Linux users are supporting Apple in the form of hardware sales. No matter what a reseller does, Apple will get some portion of the price. (Probably the same no matter what the reseller does.) This will inevitably go to development of OS X, to some extent. However, if you flame them, you may shoo them off to some other architecture.
YDL and GNU/Linux fans, welcome to the club. Enjoy the hardware, but try the OS as well. If you need any help, be sure to check out Apple's support site, including the discussion boards. Just keep in mind that most people will be expecting Mac OS 9/X users, so they may or may not be of much help. And remember, it only gets better from here.
You'd think people would realize that this benefits everyone.
Even experienced computer users can be confused by multi-button mice. I can't tell you the number of times I've been using Windows, when all of a sudden I hit the wrong mouse button and the damned mine blows up. :)
It works in OS X. I think I discovered it accidentally. I usually just use page up/page down keys, though. Or the arrow keys in IE.
I see the PC got 194 fps at 640x480 to the Mac's 111. Now, last time I checked (i.e., now), my Mac's monitor's refresh rate at 640x480 was 154Hz. Last time I looked at a PC's, it was about 85 or so. Heck, at 1024x768 it's only 99Hz, which at that point is less than the fps for that resolution. And an entry-level Mac card will give me more fps than my monitor's refresh rate? Why does fps beyond the refresh rate matter? Who cares if it's rendering 100+fps if you only see 85 or so?
Well, that depends. Are you using the 600MHz chip or the 500MHz chip. If it's 600MHz, that makes it a G3 (right?), and there is a significant advantage in OS X to using a G4 (or two) over a G3. OS X is sometimes slow on my iBook, but on my dual G4 (450) it's pretty speedy. Even when playing a DivX in a minimizing window when holding down the Shift key. Oh, and running SETI. :)
I'd say that's a pretty good response time. Not as good as the webmail issue, which was less than a day, but still pretty fast.
Hmmmm, then maybe I'll give it a shot when I'm back at school and not on dial-up.
The main reason I don't read MegaTokyo, for all its fans and recommendations, is that I don't generally feel like translating "1337" to English. When 1337-speak shows up in the archive headings about half the time, it's probably a comic not worth my time.
That said, I don't suppose the book is going to have translations? Or is that supposed to be what makes it funny?
That said, I'd offer you $700 for your G4 right now. ;-) It's nowhere near the purchase price, I'm sure, but after all your machine is nearly two years old. Getting 1/3 of the price you paid for it after two years would be pretty good, I think.
That's all well and good, but I don't have the $2000 to add to it to buy the system I'd want to replace it with. :-) Since I'm still not yet in the market to sell, I'd suggest you check out the Dual G4 listings on eBay. Several of them are currently at about that price point. All told, I'd say that a fair offer for my system, sans monitor, of course.
Actually, I for one thought Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone was more enjoyable than The Phantom Menace. I bought the former, not the latter. Quidditch (sp?) and authentic accents beat out podracing and affected accents.
As for Episode 2, it was rather mediocre. If the scene with Senator ex-Queen Amidala Portman had been longer and had better lighting, maybe even less leather, it might have made up for Hyperactive Bouncing Superball Yoda.
You mean a year of 365.2422 days? Well, if you want to be precise, though not necessarily accurate, a TI-85 :-) says there are 365.24219878125 days in a year. Of course, if the Earth keeps screwing up, who knows where we'll be?
I think on some old Mac OS versions it's going to screw up in 2069, possibly due to a combination of the Unix epoch and 2-digit formatting. Though I seem to recall System 7 displaying the date as "1/3/1", or something.
Or if that's not enough, the perpetual calendar I wrote for my TI-85 should screw up in another 27,379,090,647 years or so.
don't hold your breath. As I said in the petition, the public's upgrade price should be about $69, and the student's should be about $39.
What Apple (and its customers) need to keep in mind is that unlike Windows, with its myriad versions of the OS, each supposedly targeted for a different market (Home, Professional, etc.), Apple really only has one. Well, unless you're running a professional-grade server, in which case you get OS X Server with it, don't you?
Oh, that one again? Yeah, that's been showing up in every Apple post. That's the reason I switched to a threshold of 1, actually.
Hmmmm..... switched..... Somebody spoof that.
New 10.2 won't support "old" graphics cards made six months ago.
Yes it will. it just does not enable the "quartz extreme" feature and it falls back on the default quartz
Actually, that's not true. Quartz Extreme only requires 16MB on the vid card. The low-end stock vid card in my 2-year old G4 has 16MB. Last generation's Powerbooks had 16MB, I believe, and I'm pretty sure that's also true for the white iBooks with the TiBook form factor. Quartz Extreme, never mind 10.2, will be supporting many "6-month old" graphics cards.
Buying a Mac is easier to justify, because I know (unless I buy right before a product cycle, say now) that the workstation I buy today will hold its value for 8 to 12 months, easy. This is a good thing, both for Apple and for customers.
Agreed. I have a Dual 450 from fall 2000 (21 months?) and I'd say it's still worth the money. Granted, I've upgraded the RAM twice and added a second hard drive. (Wouldn't that lock out XP, or is that when I replace the vid card in a few months?) It still doesn't seem sluggish, and I don't see any issues with graphics and such, even without Quartz Extreme. The iBook from the same time should probably become a Powerbook G4, but them things is luxury laptops.
(Side note: a PC friend of mine now has nothing to complain about regarding OS X, now that the graphics won't "suck up the entire CPU". Not that I ever noticed it doing that.)
Hmmm, maybe the reason Apple has to charge for software nowadays is that their hardware lasts for so long.
"That little thing" looks nothing like the iPod! It's a different color! ;-P
Actually, my iBook is my preferred machine for StarCraft. (It unfortunately doesn't meet the specs for War3.) It's so convenient to have your mouse (trackpad) so close to your keyboard. Set rally points. 0sz9sz8sz7sz. A minute later, I have 24 zerglings ready to group. And how to do that? Control click, control-1, burrow. Control click, control-2, burrow. Pop and attack. Where did I need a second mous button? Attack? Nope. Attack-move. Hit the 'A' key and single click on the ground.
I suppose that could be for several reasons. First, maybe it's like Final Cut Pro in that you need that speed for real-time effects.
Secondly, look at the graphics card requirements for the Windows version. I've never heard of any of those. Looking them up at their respective web sites, I can see why. The PC version requires what's considered a "workstation" video card. The Mac version can use factory cards. Sounds like the CPU gets more work to do on the Mac side of things. Let's hope it's Alti-Vec enabled.
If you believe the Apple ads, it seems like you could do pretty much the same thing in an airline seat. I don't suppose anyone's here who's actually used both in a production setting who can comment?
Whatever you do, don't get the low-end model in the G4 tower lineup. There's almost always significant differences between the low-end and mid-grade towers for a not-as-significant difference in price.
Another thing to keep in mind that hasn't been mentioned much here (if at all), is the hard drive. If you'll be doing a lot of disk-intensive stuff, and it sounds like you might be, consider getting the SCSI hard drives instead of the ATA. At the very least, the SCSI drives run at 10,000 rpm to the ATA's 7200.
As for my personal experience with speed and OS X and all, I have a dual 450, currently with 512MB of RAM, and OS X on a 40GB 7200rpm Maxtor hard drive. Everything runs fine for me. Well, IE likes to hang sometimes, but that's it.
(Yes, I use IE. It's more CSS compliant than anything else! At least, last time W3C checked.)