The larger (read: $$More$Cash$Than$You$Or$Me$$) companies can even take that one step further and have your phone number and zip code instantaneously--at least in the US.
In calling my phone provider (Qwest), a prerecorded woman asks if you're calling from your home phone. I've had CID blocking for years, but all my stats are onscreen when the service rep asks "how may I help you?". It's all for confirmation (and perpetuating the illusion of respecting your privacy) that they ask for your info.
Sorry, MegaFur; the only evidence I have is the memory of a couple phone reps that were honest enough to answer my questions.
The article you linked says that if Sams loses the case, he'll move the site to www.veronica.cc, but that just leads to a "this domain was registered at eNIC" page.
That's worked quite well for me as well. Only one address has failed me so far; I've received pr0n spam addressed to the account I gave rollingstone.com.
I wouldn't have been surprised to see them sell my addy to Columbia House or the RIAA, but pr0n? Now I like naked midget DVDA teen interracial BBW mature BBIAF barnyard orgies just as much as the next guy, so I would probably thank them if I had asked for them first. But I didn't, so joke them!
(A little "anti-plug" there)
So now each one gets forwarded to service@rollingstone.com and then discarded from my mail server.
True. All the chicken was trained to do is peck a button (conveniently hidden just out of sight by the frame of the chicken's side of the board) next to a dim light or other signal. When (s)he pecked the button corresponding to the square chosen by the computer, the "choice" was made, and it's your turn again.
Did you ever notice that the chicken got a little treat after every move?
;)
I viewed my original post by clicking the link to it in my comments page, the same link can be found here, and it gives you more info about moderation:
WHAT?!?? (Score:5, Funny)
by zedmelon (583487) on 2003.08.15 15:36 (#6708189)
(Last Journal: 2003.08.02 12:09)
...and I saw that some assmonkey had moderated me as flamebait. I suppose I can see a staunch MS fan could see it as flamebait, but I didn't think they were allowed to post on/.
;)
Okay, no, I didn't know that was unicode, and I'm sure that security gurus will scoff at my use of the word "hidden," but what I meant by that is still true:
You can't just search for a string you're seeking. In vi, you can't go "/slashdot.org," because the string won't turn up.
Same thing in most apps, even if they WILL let the user search for "hidden text."
"You only have the convenience while the file is open. If you could undo after you re-opened a file, these "hidden secrets" wouldn't be hidden at all!"
Exactly. I knew that to begin with, but I did it and then vi'd the file to confirm. If I delete text from a document, that means I don't want that text in the document. Neil Laver says "...hidden information can "incredibly useful" in improving the functionality of the software."
So my main point is, if I am being supposedly CONVENIENCED by this "feature," HOW is the software helping me by storing these things in my document?
Heheh, yeah, and you probably oughta send an apology to the admins at schneier.com. I just subscribed to their newsletter with a sendmail -v and watched the progress, and it was S-L-O-W.
;)
"He says hidden information can "incredibly useful" in improving the functionality of the software. "But if some of that data is sensitive, there have to be ways of ensuring that it isn't distributed where it shouldn't be," he says."
I just created a Word document, blah.doc and put some text into it. I made sure I had a couple of undo points. I closed it and opened it back up, I couldn't undo SHIT. So where the hell am I being granted this mysterious "convenience?"
I know that the guy stressed the fact that Micrsoft isn't alone in this disctinction, but this is just another example of why Microsoft SUCKS.
I put the doc in a samba share and viewed it with vi. I found the path to the doc, the original name, my userid on my laptop, and the company name. All were hidden from the simple searches like this:
s.l.a.s.h.d.o.t...o.r.g
WTF?!?
Oh, WAIT a minute! This is also from the article:
"The next edition of Office 2003 will include tools that will allow users to remove personal information from a document. It will also include new "information rights management" that will let an author specify who can read or forward a document."
WHEW! I feel so much better. Please disregard the first six paragraphs. Thanks.
Well, as much as I like^H^H^H^H hate to nitpick, did YOU read the article? I'm wondering if you're being a bit deceitful with regards to whose knee is leading whom to where.
"The DNA of the Rabbit cell was removed and replaced......the Rabbit and Human DNA was not fused or merged......No Rabbit/Human hybrid, no little furry baby monsters, no little baby embreyos (sic) sucking its fur covered thumb."
I think I'm gonna have to call you on that.
To take a quote (you DO know how copy and paste works, right?) from the article:
"The vast majority of the DNA in the embryos is human, with a small percentage of genetic material -- called mitochondrial DNA -- contributed by the rabbit egg."
Since the definition of "majority" can approach yet never become totality, and since the collective definition of "small percentage" can approach yet never become zero, whether you like it or not, there is some blending of DNA. Maybe it's not the "standard, double-helically-structured" DNA. Maybe "mitochondrial" DNA doesn't affect nearly as many attributes as those governed by what we've all come to know as regular, "original flavor" DNA. And maybe DNA identified as "mitochondrial" isn't allowed into the the more affluent DNA dance clubs, but it's still DNA.
IANABOLBS (biologist or lab bunny scientist), but I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that if they call it "DNA," then it's DNA, even if they add a descriptive adjective to it.
oh... nevermind. Wise? He went the way of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
I find it amusing that someone who claims to have a "right to hate" someone else based on nationality and criticizes the United States for being a nation of idiots can be so fluent in misspellings in the language he claims to defend. Even though you're a dick, your name still requires capitalization, which I did. By that same token, I would expect someone so clearly enlightened to know that even when you are flaming a nation, the rule for capitalization of proper nouns (since first grade, no less) is:
Always capitalize the name of a specific person, place, or thing.
...or is that something that Americans bastardized (bastardised?) as well?
I can tell you that I'm wise enough to know this: If I judged other people the way YOU do, I'd be stupid enough to believe every Canadian is an asshole.
And lastly, I'll be the last one to defend any of our politicians, but that random divergence from your main point only further buries your cause, and lessens any chance of finding you capable of any rational conclusion whatsoever.
Okay, I know the possibility of this is remote, but you might print out a couple articles and a page of links
(or just a Google search?=blaster+worm)
so he can see that you saw the scale of this threat before it happened, and you were working (above and beyond) for the benefit of the company.
Or you could take a hatchet in case he chooses to ignore the data you give him.
Also, Mister Anonymous, there's always the small chance--albeit =>1% chance--that for some reason there's a guy with a slight clue at the top, and you're to be commended for averting tragedy.
/me disappears under a hail of empty beer cans and pizza boxes...
"Okay, you got it; no higher than Service Pack three, sir."
...and then when he/she/they leave(s) the room, install the patches that will make admining Winjonk boxes at least easier. Most of the time, the corporate boneheads will never have the opportunity to know what patch level you're running. Shit, half of them struggle through remembering which OS is run in their production environment.
yeah, we had been there about eight days, and they had just arrived, so we briefly considered (at least I did) offering to "show them around," but we were planning on meeting our other friends, so we bailed.
Also, I said they were attractive, not stunning. Might've been more motivation if... ;)
On the other hand, none of the super-mega-hotties asked me for directions.
Very well-said, raehl. Based on my own trip to France in February 2002, I have a some things to add...
1.Do the French hate Americans?I was told in advance by several people that the French look down upon everyone else--especially Americans--with a certain air of distaste. For the most part, I didn't find this to be the case. As long as you remember you're not at home (America, in my case)--that you're a guest--and to behave accordingly, there's no problem. I saw a few people staring as if they didn't want us there, but not many.
I'm a pretty gregarious guy, easy going, laid back. For example, saying "Bonjour" with a friendly smile before asking for help came naturally to me. I would be surprised if my accent fooled anyone
(however, I was mistaken for a random Frenchman three times in that week...heh),
but I think they appreciated the effort. No doubt they could tell immediately that my "Parlez-vous Englais" was stilted by a from-across-the-Atlantic accent, but they also realized I respected the fact that I was in THEIR country. I may have been "just lucky," but nearly everyone I encountered in Paris was "just fine," attitude-wise. We enjoyed spending 30-45 minutes just chatting with the guy who managed our hotel the last three nights.
2.It's a major city. Go to any large city in the world, and you'll find people with ugly personalities. New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo, etc. Their local economy is largely tourism-based. I'm sure some people don't mind that fact, but others resent it, yet they continue to live there. And some people are just plain assholes. Any large city is bound to have a higher concentration of them. Also, to paraphrase a point someone else made today, you remember the one jerk out of ten nice people.
3.Are the French arrogant? I wonder if a large part of this perceived animosity stems from a phenomenon becoming increasingly prevalent in the United States; many of the people I meet here at home have a mentality that drips with egotism. They're not bashful at all when expressing the idea that they're not treated well enough by everyone else, even when nationality is a non-issue. I can only imagine trying to deal with this type of person and trying to remain civil.
I didn't get this impression from reading posts by raehl, by the way. I'm betting that he just ran into the wrong people. And raehl makes a valid point about expecting fluent English from the average American.
Going to the mall with a girl I used to date: When she was behind the wheel, she would impatiently complain about people walking too slowly in front of her as she circled the parking lot to find the absolute closest spot, and if she could get by without waiting, she would. Yet she was intolerant of motorists who didn't slow down to let her walk in front of their vehicles. Clearly her mode of transportation wasn't all that was pedestrian. More and more Americans have displayed this sort of behavior. I don't know if it's worldwide, but I have a feeling it's not. The only reason this feeling bothers me is that it frightens me to be part of THE country known for one-sidedness such as this.
Incidentally, the worst of the handful of bad experiences occurred when a woman approached me outside the train station a few blocks from Notre Dame. She asked me a question that sounded like a French request for directions. I asked her "Parlez-vous Englais?" (am I spelling that correctly?), After a moment of shock, she looked at me as if I had just attempted to rob her, and then she stormed away.
One of the nicest experiences started the same way: My friend and I were asked for subway assistance on Champs Elysees by two attractive young French women visiting Paris for the first time (sorry, no "dear Penthouse" story here). Like the other woman, they clearly thought I was French; maybe it's because I don't own any Hawai
As much as I wish this would happen, it never will. There is too much incongruity between free enterprise/capitalism and any methods that would limit MicroCrap's legally-gained lion's share of the market.
In a way, the public is partially to blame since you can't sell billions and billions of a crappy product without the "billions served" actually BUYING them. However, like AOL, MS is a marketing MACHINE.
And as long as ethics are still grey areas in the courts, Microsoft's business practices will remain legal, and Billy will remain untouchable.
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In calling my phone provider (Qwest), a prerecorded woman asks if you're calling from your home phone. I've had CID blocking for years, but all my stats are onscreen when the service rep asks "how may I help you?". It's all for confirmation (and perpetuating the illusion of respecting your privacy) that they ask for your info.
Sorry, MegaFur; the only evidence I have is the memory of a couple phone reps that were honest enough to answer my questions.
My cable modem provider has a similar setup.
The article you linked says that if Sams loses the case, he'll move the site to www.veronica.cc, but that just leads to a "this domain was registered at eNIC" page.
He's not trying or convicting the child; he's merely observing the high probability that the child will learn from his parents, just like we all do.
(A little "anti-plug" there)
So now each one gets forwarded to service@rollingstone.com and then discarded from my mail server.
Quite possible, but I'd imagine there's an online phone book of some type. I looked, but Tornado's site is down right now.
The article said he emailed around (5600?) of Tornado's customers. If he were truly overzealous, wouldn't he just have hit them all?
Well, he didn't just hit a distro he knew would forward his message to all; he spread out the mails to avoid a DoS.
True. All the chicken was trained to do is peck a button (conveniently hidden just out of sight by the frame of the chicken's side of the board) next to a dim light or other signal. When (s)he pecked the button corresponding to the square chosen by the computer, the "choice" was made, and it's your turn again.
Did you ever notice that the chicken got a little treat after every move?
;)
WHAT?!?? (Score:5, Funny)
by zedmelon (583487) on 2003.08.15 15:36 (#6708189)
(Last Journal: 2003.08.02 12:09)
...and I saw that some assmonkey had moderated me as flamebait. I suppose I can see a staunch MS fan could see it as flamebait, but I didn't think they were allowed to post on /.
;)
BennyTheBall also has a good theory below.
Thanks, guys.
Just in case you were actually interested in having your question answered.
Heh. Yeah, I know that's a legitimate concern on /.
Also I found this post by 26199 quite interesting. Richard Stallman's reasoning for the dispensing of Werd documents for good. I like it.
Kiss my ass. How is this flamebait?
MOD PARENT UP
pahahahah! That ruled!
Okay, no, I didn't know that was unicode, and I'm sure that security gurus will scoff at my use of the word "hidden," but what I meant by that is still true:
You can't just search for a string you're seeking. In vi, you can't go "/slashdot.org," because the string won't turn up.
Same thing in most apps, even if they WILL let the user search for "hidden text."
Even without reading the above "Repost for people without subscription" post, I knew that the mod giving this an "informative" is an idiot.
Even WITH a subscription, you can't POST a comment until the article is made PUBLIC!
If this guy had been trying to HELP, he'd still be doing nothing productive.
"You only have the convenience while the file is open. If you could undo after you re-opened a file, these "hidden secrets" wouldn't be hidden at all!"
Exactly. I knew that to begin with, but I did it and then vi'd the file to confirm. If I delete text from a document, that means I don't want that text in the document. Neil Laver says "...hidden information can "incredibly useful" in improving the functionality of the software."
So my main point is, if I am being supposedly CONVENIENCED by this "feature," HOW is the software helping me by storing these things in my document?
;)
Fire when ready.
Slashdotting in progress, sir.
And yes, I know. I'm a fucking idiot for assuming ANYTHING or taking anything for granted when it comes to good ol' Billy.
From the article:
I just created a Word document, blah.doc and put some text into it. I made sure I had a couple of undo points. I closed it and opened it back up, I couldn't undo SHIT. So where the hell am I being granted this mysterious "convenience?"
I know that the guy stressed the fact that Micrsoft isn't alone in this disctinction, but this is just another example of why Microsoft SUCKS.
I put the doc in a samba share and viewed it with vi. I found the path to the doc, the original name, my userid on my laptop, and the company name. All were hidden from the simple searches like this:
s.l.a.s.h.d.o.t...o.r.g
WTF?!?
Oh, WAIT a minute! This is also from the article:
WHEW! I feel so much better. Please disregard the first six paragraphs. Thanks.
Well, as much as I like^H^H^H^H hate to nitpick, did YOU read the article? I'm wondering if you're being a bit deceitful with regards to whose knee is leading whom to where.
I think I'm gonna have to call you on that.
To take a quote (you DO know how copy and paste works, right?) from the article:
Since the definition of "majority" can approach yet never become totality, and since the collective definition of "small percentage" can approach yet never become zero, whether you like it or not, there is some blending of DNA. Maybe it's not the "standard, double-helically-structured" DNA. Maybe "mitochondrial" DNA doesn't affect nearly as many attributes as those governed by what we've all come to know as regular, "original flavor" DNA. And maybe DNA identified as "mitochondrial" isn't allowed into the the more affluent DNA dance clubs, but it's still DNA.
IANABOLBS (biologist or lab bunny scientist), but I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that if they call it "DNA," then it's DNA, even if they add a descriptive adjective to it.
A wise McQuaid once said...
oh... nevermind. Wise? He went the way of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
I find it amusing that someone who claims to have a "right to hate" someone else based on nationality and criticizes the United States for being a nation of idiots can be so fluent in misspellings in the language he claims to defend. Even though you're a dick, your name still requires capitalization, which I did. By that same token, I would expect someone so clearly enlightened to know that even when you are flaming a nation, the rule for capitalization of proper nouns (since first grade, no less) is:
...or is that something that Americans bastardized (bastardised?) as well?
I can tell you that I'm wise enough to know this: If I judged other people the way YOU do, I'd be stupid enough to believe every Canadian is an asshole.
And lastly, I'll be the last one to defend any of our politicians, but that random divergence from your main point only further buries your cause, and lessens any chance of finding you capable of any rational conclusion whatsoever.
So do us all a favour, and shut up.
Thanks for the serious answers.
Okay, I know the possibility of this is remote, but you might print out a couple articles and a page of links
(or just a Google search?=blaster+worm)
so he can see that you saw the scale of this threat before it happened, and you were working (above and beyond) for the benefit of the company.
Or you could take a hatchet in case he chooses to ignore the data you give him.
Well said, Lodragandraoidh.
Also, Mister Anonymous, there's always the small chance--albeit =>1% chance--that for some reason there's a guy with a slight clue at the top, and you're to be commended for averting tragedy.
/me disappears under a hail of empty beer cans and pizza boxes...
The removal tool crashed on my (non-infected) Windows XP Pro...
Um, why are you running a removal tool on a "non-infected" machine?
Note to xtianus and to MODS! I'm not trying to be a dick, just curious.
This is when you say,
A new use for the "don't ask, don't tell" mantra.
yeah, we had been there about eight days, and they had just arrived, so we briefly considered (at least I did) offering to "show them around," but we were planning on meeting our other friends, so we bailed.
Also, I said they were attractive, not stunning. Might've been more motivation if...
;)
On the other hand, none of the super-mega-hotties asked me for directions.
Very well-said, raehl. Based on my own trip to France in February 2002, I have a some things to add...
1. Do the French hate Americans?I was told in advance by several people that the French look down upon everyone else--especially Americans--with a certain air of distaste. For the most part, I didn't find this to be the case. As long as you remember you're not at home (America, in my case)--that you're a guest--and to behave accordingly, there's no problem. I saw a few people staring as if they didn't want us there, but not many.
I'm a pretty gregarious guy, easy going, laid back. For example, saying "Bonjour" with a friendly smile before asking for help came naturally to me. I would be surprised if my accent fooled anyone
but I think they appreciated the effort. No doubt they could tell immediately that my "Parlez-vous Englais" was stilted by a from-across-the-Atlantic accent, but they also realized I respected the fact that I was in THEIR country. I may have been "just lucky," but nearly everyone I encountered in Paris was "just fine," attitude-wise. We enjoyed spending 30-45 minutes just chatting with the guy who managed our hotel the last three nights.
2. It's a major city. Go to any large city in the world, and you'll find people with ugly personalities. New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo, etc. Their local economy is largely tourism-based. I'm sure some people don't mind that fact, but others resent it, yet they continue to live there. And some people are just plain assholes. Any large city is bound to have a higher concentration of them. Also, to paraphrase a point someone else made today, you remember the one jerk out of ten nice people.
3. Are the French arrogant? I wonder if a large part of this perceived animosity stems from a phenomenon becoming increasingly prevalent in the United States; many of the people I meet here at home have a mentality that drips with egotism. They're not bashful at all when expressing the idea that they're not treated well enough by everyone else, even when nationality is a non-issue. I can only imagine trying to deal with this type of person and trying to remain civil.
I didn't get this impression from reading posts by raehl, by the way. I'm betting that he just ran into the wrong people. And raehl makes a valid point about expecting fluent English from the average American.
Going to the mall with a girl I used to date: When she was behind the wheel, she would impatiently complain about people walking too slowly in front of her as she circled the parking lot to find the absolute closest spot, and if she could get by without waiting, she would. Yet she was intolerant of motorists who didn't slow down to let her walk in front of their vehicles. Clearly her mode of transportation wasn't all that was pedestrian. More and more Americans have displayed this sort of behavior. I don't know if it's worldwide, but I have a feeling it's not. The only reason this feeling bothers me is that it frightens me to be part of THE country known for one-sidedness such as this.
Incidentally, the worst of the handful of bad experiences occurred when a woman approached me outside the train station a few blocks from Notre Dame. She asked me a question that sounded like a French request for directions. I asked her "Parlez-vous Englais?" (am I spelling that correctly?), After a moment of shock, she looked at me as if I had just attempted to rob her, and then she stormed away.
One of the nicest experiences started the same way: My friend and I were asked for subway assistance on Champs Elysees by two attractive young French women visiting Paris for the first time (sorry, no "dear Penthouse" story here). Like the other woman, they clearly thought I was French; maybe it's because I don't own any Hawai
In a way, the public is partially to blame since you can't sell billions and billions of a crappy product without the "billions served" actually BUYING them. However, like AOL, MS is a marketing MACHINE.
And as long as ethics are still grey areas in the courts, Microsoft's business practices will remain legal, and Billy will remain untouchable.
...unless you're carrying a pie.