Oh yeah, don't forget DirectX -- Direct3D 8 is unbelievable. In the little while i messed around with it, you can build a framework for a simple 3d app in about 15 mins. There's some sick features that even games now aren't using...like vertex shaders and LOD (a LOT of potential there is being passed up by developers.:)
Course OGL will never die, god bless SGI. Some guy even wrote an entire dotnet assembly of interfaces for GL! entirely for free of course!
You know, come to think of it -- a cigar kinda looks like a penis in a way:).
Just kidding about that, but if i weren't then i'd say that guy i replied to is a cigar.
Don't forget Visual Studio(!) (and the new VS.NET IDE alone is amazing, but only time will tell how much revenue they get from that alone -- i see a bunch of companies moving to dotnet).
Sure they're sleazy, i think the only good thing they've done in a while was the conception of the *open* (and approved by ecma or something) dotNET CLR.
Also, I think IE and OE 6 are very good products (whether or not they are most targeted for exploits b/c of their popularity is beyond the scope of this discussion, however:), but so are Opera and Mozilla, thankfully, so we get some competition there.
It really is amazing how ppl from across the world can collaborate on such projects to compete with the big boys. I fear how long I can expect to get paid "big bucks" for SW dev, if open source is such a big threat to even MS...
But i don't think the MS SW is mediocre at all, and most of their technologies are very innovative -- but their shrewd (read: illegal:) business practices have made other software (for the most part, i know there is some very innovative software out there) forced to the side.
I mean, lets face facts microsoft is not stupid -- for example, they contract some of leading mathmeticians and graphics researchers (such as Hugh Hoppes) to make DirectX and esp Direct3D an EXTREMELY innovative API.
The problem is that they are so huge they can afford to do anything and crush the little guys into using their software no matter if there is better software out there or not.
:P as i wrote this a little bubble had shown up on the corner of my screen that said 'New Update Ready To Download'. heh
Every piece of MS software I've used has been lightyears ahead of most other competing SW -- free or not, with the exception of Vis InterDev, Media Player, and VJ++ (ugh -- use JBuilder:-).
The REAL problem is that the reason they can develop such powerful software by paying for research/large dev teams and backing it is because they are already a juggernaut monopoly that needs to be checked. Because of that they shove it down everyones throats by patenting "intellectual property" as a reason to keep their formats closed while using things like undocumented APIs to gain tighter intergration.
ahhhhh, sky net....noooooooooooo!
hunter-killers and terminators everywhere.....
diieeee.......!!! pull the plug before it becomes self-aware, do it before its too late!!!!!!............aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggh hh!.............
Why'd that get a troll mod instead of maybe offtopic or something.
I laughed my ass off when i read that.
I thought ep 1 was ok -- the story wasn't real deep, but it was good for the generation of ppl after star wars like me:) It had good art direction, but jar jar was annoying and i understand that ppl wanted for it to take itself more seriously but it certainly wasnt BAD.
Lucas can't please everyone, you know. You can already see that the fans are polarized over this one scene, imagine the rest of the movie! IMHO, i think this movie was sooo much better than the overrated (but i thought it was ok:-) spiderman movie!
oh well, i liked the yoda fight scene. when i knew it was about to actually happen i said to myself 'ahh jeez, this is going to be ridiculous...' but then he floated the saber into his other hand and then went to town on Dooku and i almost pissed in my pants it was soooo cool:)).
I'm guessing no mounts, no swimming, no scaling walls, no blowing up bridges, no tunneling under walls, etc. It'll be like a large lego. Nice, but kind of blocky.
You guessed right:( -- no riding, flying, swimming or climbing. i think climbing and flying were mostly cut out for balance reasons (boooo).
Would be cool to be able to do stuf flike use a piece of furniture to block a dungeon door after a chasing monster or to be able to dodge an strike and have the attacker hit a pile of crates that crash down on him. Or being able to chop down a tree to cross a river...oh well. Still looks like you can do anything else and we probably have something better than Baldur Gate 2:))
Your arguement of saying just because it's in object code and not source code makes it more difficult isn't valid as long as there's people that know how to read it.
Right, but certainly not as many and its not as easy. Also, as an aside, b/c of.NET IL reflection, it is supposedly really easy to reverse engineer (compared to native binaries, i guess), but there are even obfustication (sp?!) tools for that.
Hehehe, amen.
That was quite good:) I think most ppl on slashdot are tired of seeing trolling "news" posts about the SAME GODDAMN FU_KING THING EVERY GODDAMN FU_KING DAY. These polarized MS/Linux fanatics make my ears hurt with all the whining and complaining bout how one's better than the other.
I think they just want to "belong" to something. It's defiant in a cliche and conformist sort of way:P
Anyhow, I don't think MS is going anywhere but they should get their monopoly interests split-up so we could have more competition (and therefore some lower prices) for open/closed projects alike...
It can spread to any executables run under the same user's security context whether in windows or linux or whatever. If i get you to run my trojan or virus then you're totally fucked no matter how little priviliges the accnt to run it has.
You're a regular wordsmith. Clever as they ocme, you are.
Haha a bitter, loner with a chip on their shoulder posting drivel on/. Guess who's the 'fucktard' when they have to use 'moronic' language without reading the reply where i clearly just asked where the stats came from since he cited no reference.
Why is it that ppl who accuse others of being stupid are just reflecting the very same insecurities they have about themselves. Case in point i have a very good comp sci degree and am quite sure that b/c of your idiotic response, you were frustrated with mathematics in college (if you even got there) and probably ended up a lib arts, drop-out.
Yeah, but the logic of software that, say, controls railroad intersection lights or flight must be tested as per the controlling organization that is developing the software or by some other federal/state organization like the NTSB or the FAA.
Im sorry but i have absolutely NO idea of what you speak.
THIS is only for the discussion, just because that fellow doesnt agree with you doesn't make em a troll, so with all due respect, piss off. You know what opinions are like don't you?:P
Why is my name not original. OH they both have a snip of the word 'king' in them. [sarcasm]well they are pratically identical[/sarcasm]. don't you think you should of a name before posting drivel? Ironic how a troll is posting on being a troll. Get back to school jerk.
Not really:) Because don't you concur that in a closed source project there's is a much higher % that those very skilled persons will find the potential for a stack-smash attack or some buffer overflow before an equally (for arguments sake) skilled black hat looking to abuse critical software??
Listen, I'm not being a troll, just expressing what i think.
Taht may be all fine and well for a web server but the original post and story speaks of gov't software.
You know: the stuff that controls planes full of people or analyzes certain network traffic, plans missle trajectories and what-not.
Don't you at least agree that i just wouldn't want that stuff to be open to the public?
Apache simply suffers from less exploits b/c IIS is more widespread (although a larger % of servers use apaches than desktops use non windows platforms).
Trust me, Apache has its problems after all didn't it get its name from something like 'A-patchy'?
If you think any software is secure (or efficient) then you should try developing software. If you do already, then i'm really suprised you'd say such a thing.
Try to be objective without jumping on the i-hate-m$ bandwagon.
Software like that doesn't just make a couple rounds in QA, it is extensively tested by professionals.
Open software with a hole would be immediately found by either a malicious cracker or a white hat. Would you want to take THAT chance on the latter when you're zipping around the sky??
The reason the source to gov't used software shouldn't be open is the same as the reson the NYSE doesn't let you take a camera onto the floor.
If the SW is open then someone can have a MUCH, MUCH easier time to figure out an exploitation.
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Oh yeah, don't forget DirectX -- Direct3D 8 is unbelievable. In the little while i messed around with it, you can build a framework for a simple 3d app in about 15 mins. There's some sick features that even games now aren't using...like vertex shaders and LOD (a LOT of potential there is being passed up by developers. :)
Course OGL will never die, god bless SGI. Some guy even wrote an entire dotnet assembly of interfaces for GL! entirely for free of course!
You know, come to think of it -- a cigar kinda looks like a penis in a way :).
Just kidding about that, but if i weren't then i'd say that guy i replied to is a cigar.
yep.
a big, friggin cigar.
Don't forget Visual Studio(!) (and the new VS.NET IDE alone is amazing, but only time will tell how much revenue they get from that alone -- i see a bunch of companies moving to dotnet).
Sure they're sleazy, i think the only good thing they've done in a while was the conception of the *open* (and approved by ecma or something) dotNET CLR.
Also, I think IE and OE 6 are very good products (whether or not they are most targeted for exploits b/c of their popularity is beyond the scope of this discussion, however :), but so are Opera and Mozilla, thankfully, so we get some competition there.
It really is amazing how ppl from across the world can collaborate on such projects to compete with the big boys. I fear how long I can expect to get paid "big bucks" for SW dev, if open source is such a big threat to even MS...
But i don't think the MS SW is mediocre at all, and most of their technologies are very innovative -- but their shrewd (read: illegal :) business practices have made other software (for the most part, i know there is some very innovative software out there) forced to the side.
I mean, lets face facts microsoft is not stupid -- for example, they contract some of leading mathmeticians and graphics researchers (such as Hugh Hoppes) to make DirectX and esp Direct3D an EXTREMELY innovative API.
The problem is that they are so huge they can afford to do anything and crush the little guys into using their software no matter if there is better software out there or not.
:P as i wrote this a little bubble had shown up on the corner of my screen that said 'New Update Ready To Download'. heh
Every piece of MS software I've used has been lightyears ahead of most other competing SW -- free or not, with the exception of Vis InterDev, Media Player, and VJ++ (ugh -- use JBuilder :-).
The REAL problem is that the reason they can develop such powerful software by paying for research/large dev teams and backing it is because they are already a juggernaut monopoly that needs to be checked. Because of that they shove it down everyones throats by patenting "intellectual property" as a reason to keep their formats closed while using things like undocumented APIs to gain tighter intergration.
I still say split MS into a SW and OS companies.
ahhhhh, sky net....noooooooooooo! hunter-killers and terminators everywhere..... diieeee.......!!! pull the plug before it becomes self-aware, do it before its too late!!!!!! ............aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggh hh!.............
whew, that was intense...
Why'd that get a troll mod instead of maybe offtopic or something. I laughed my ass off when i read that.
I thought ep 1 was ok -- the story wasn't real deep, but it was good for the generation of ppl after star wars like me :) It had good art direction, but jar jar was annoying and i understand that ppl wanted for it to take itself more seriously but it certainly wasnt BAD.
Lucas can't please everyone, you know. You can already see that the fans are polarized over this one scene, imagine the rest of the movie! IMHO, i think this movie was sooo much better than the overrated (but i thought it was ok :-) spiderman movie!
oh well, i liked the yoda fight scene. when i knew it was about to actually happen i said to myself 'ahh jeez, this is going to be ridiculous...' but then he floated the saber into his other hand and then went to town on Dooku and i almost pissed in my pants it was soooo cool :)).
I'm guessing no mounts, no swimming, no scaling walls, no blowing up bridges, no tunneling under walls, etc. It'll be like a large lego. Nice, but kind of blocky.
You guessed right :( -- no riding, flying, swimming or climbing. i think climbing and flying were mostly cut out for balance reasons (boooo).
Would be cool to be able to do stuf flike use a piece of furniture to block a dungeon door after a chasing monster or to be able to dodge an strike and have the attacker hit a pile of crates that crash down on him. Or being able to chop down a tree to cross a river...oh well. Still looks like you can do anything else and we probably have something better than Baldur Gate 2 :))
Your arguement of saying just because it's in object code and not source code makes it more difficult isn't valid as long as there's people that know how to read it.
Right, but certainly not as many and its not as easy. Also, as an aside, b/c of .NET IL reflection, it is supposedly really easy to reverse engineer (compared to native binaries, i guess), but there are even obfustication (sp?!) tools for that.
Hehehe, amen. That was quite good :) I think most ppl on slashdot are tired of seeing trolling "news" posts about the SAME GODDAMN FU_KING THING EVERY GODDAMN FU_KING DAY. These polarized MS/Linux fanatics make my ears hurt with all the whining and complaining bout how one's better than the other.
I think they just want to "belong" to something. It's defiant in a cliche and conformist sort of way :P
Anyhow, I don't think MS is going anywhere but they should get their monopoly interests split-up so we could have more competition (and therefore some lower prices) for open/closed projects alike...
It can spread to any executables run under the same user's security context whether in windows or linux or whatever. If i get you to run my trojan or virus then you're totally fucked no matter how little priviliges the accnt to run it has.
It's a bad analogy
Not really, same thinking, for better or worse.
in a more obfuscated form
Yes, but reverse engineering is more difficult than, say, me saying 'here you go there's the source -- now find a problem.
You're a regular wordsmith. Clever as they ocme, you are.
Haha a bitter, loner with a chip on their shoulder posting drivel on /. Guess who's the 'fucktard' when they have to use 'moronic' language without reading the reply where i clearly just asked where the stats came from since he cited no reference.
Why is it that ppl who accuse others of being stupid are just reflecting the very same insecurities they have about themselves. Case in point i have a very good comp sci degree and am quite sure that b/c of your idiotic response, you were frustrated with mathematics in college (if you even got there) and probably ended up a lib arts, drop-out.
Have a nice day, sunshine
apache- 56% IIS- 31 % You were saying
I wrote what i was saying. Just hit the 'back' button. :)
But seriously, where are you getting those stats from?Windows suffers from more exploits only because it is on more desktops???? HA
Don't you think exposure in the market is a consideration to those who look for exploits or write viruses? I do. You don't.
Well, in linux, say, doesn't a script of app run with the security context of the user who runs it as well.
Can't you require than your app runs or installs a special user for what it runs under such as IIS does or Apache does?
extensively tested UNLESS the budget gets tight
Yeah, but the logic of software that, say, controls railroad intersection lights or flight must be tested as per the controlling organization that is developing the software or by some other federal/state organization like the NTSB or the FAA.
ok, avionics then :)
Agreed, glad to see someone who can see that no software is fool proof or even close to fool proof :)
Well i guess i'm wrong but you know what i getting at. There must be some facilities that do that for security reasons. Still a good analogy right :)
Im sorry but i have absolutely NO idea of what you speak.
THIS is only for the discussion, just because that fellow doesnt agree with you doesn't make em a troll, so with all due respect, piss off. You know what opinions are like don't you? :P
Why is my name not original. OH they both have a snip of the word 'king' in them. [sarcasm]well they are pratically identical[/sarcasm]. don't you think you should of a name before posting drivel? Ironic how a troll is posting on being a troll. Get back to school jerk.
Not really :) Because don't you concur that in a closed source project there's is a much higher % that those very skilled persons will find the potential for a stack-smash attack or some buffer overflow before an equally (for arguments sake) skilled black hat looking to abuse critical software??
Listen, I'm not being a troll, just expressing what i think. Taht may be all fine and well for a web server but the original post and story speaks of gov't software. You know: the stuff that controls planes full of people or analyzes certain network traffic, plans missle trajectories and what-not. Don't you at least agree that i just wouldn't want that stuff to be open to the public?
Apache simply suffers from less exploits b/c IIS is more widespread (although a larger % of servers use apaches than desktops use non windows platforms). Trust me, Apache has its problems after all didn't it get its name from something like 'A-patchy'? If you think any software is secure (or efficient) then you should try developing software. If you do already, then i'm really suprised you'd say such a thing. Try to be objective without jumping on the i-hate-m$ bandwagon.
Software like that doesn't just make a couple rounds in QA, it is extensively tested by professionals. Open software with a hole would be immediately found by either a malicious cracker or a white hat. Would you want to take THAT chance on the latter when you're zipping around the sky??
The reason the source to gov't used software shouldn't be open is the same as the reson the NYSE doesn't let you take a camera onto the floor. If the SW is open then someone can have a MUCH, MUCH easier time to figure out an exploitation.