I don't know about GNOME since I don't spend much time in it, but I can guarantee you that EVERY SINGLE release of KDE since 2.0 has gotten faster.
The KDE developers have added features, sure. But 3.1 is going to be another large leap forward in performance; Maks Orlovich in particular is doing an amazing job cleaning up Konqueror and speed-optimizing it. Plus with stuff like prelink on the horizon, the days when KDE was "too slow" are behind us, or are soon to be.
Re:I was hoping they would wait.
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Another poster noted that Redhat is, in fact, including KDE 3.1 (probably RC6, although I wouldn't put it past them to be using CVS from 3_1_BRANCH) with Phoebe.
Also, note that RedHat is the _only_ distro that ships GNOME as the default desktop (aside from Debian, but Debian doesn't ship any default desktop. Every Debian-based desktop distro uses KDE, or a derivative/hack of KDE.)
Strip down a basic redhat install of _every_ extra package that the installer wants, and you end up with well over 500 MB of software. (This was on 7.3, last I checked.)
That does NOT constitute stripped-down in my book. Also, the resulting system that you get is f*cking useless. It has no ssh{d}, wget, apache, or practically anything.
So, yeah, theoretically, you could probably strip down a redhat install to less than 500MB. But the resulting system would be even more useless. Debian is much better if you're going for low disk usage - and the packages you get in under 200MB are much more useful. (Then again, what do I know - I use Gentoo!:)
(Gentoo is source-based, in case you didn't know. but having nVidia-based X with the SGI GL is a few 'emerge's away, and requires zero screwing with config files.)
Actually, yes, Konqueror (from KDE3) has an integrated webdav:// ioslave.
-clee
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Hey, you forgot the _most_ obvious one! jesus.
Gwen Stacy
In the movie, Mary Jane is the girl that gets kidnapped by the Green Goblin. Everyone who's ever read the comic book knows that the death of Gwen is one of the few things that haunts Peter throughout the rest of his days.
Well, like the other guy pointed out, there IS MacOS X.
However, you really shouldn't judge it until you do try it out on the latest hardware. The Titanium PowerBook is expensive, yes, but it's also a perfect OS X machine.
(says the owner of an iBook and an iMac LCD edition. the iMac is perfectly usable. the iBook... trust me, I understand your concerns.)
Take a closer look. CmdrTaco himself added that comment, not the submitter of the article.
And yes, we would dance around a camp fire if GNOME announced that it shut down. Or... well, at least some of us would. And we know that at least a few of them would do the same if we ever gave up.:)
At what cost does that usability come, though? Sure, it might be a simple interface, and it might even be a good one (arguable, imo) but the real issue at hand is that Outlook is the single largest virus propogation program in the _world_.
Think about that next time you double-click the icon.
-clee
Re:What's the correct way to upgrade my KDE?
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Care to back that up?
(And no, mosfet's web page doesn't count. How about you look at the code and decide for yourself?)
Here, I'll back up the fact that it IS XRender. (code is from a CVS copy of kdelibs/kdefx/kstyle.cpp.)
// Here we go, use XRender in all its glory. // NOTE: This is actually a bit slower than the above routines // on non-accelerated displays. -- Karol. void TransparencyHandler::XRenderBlendToPixmap(const QPopupMenu* p) { KPixmap renderPix; renderPix.resize( pix.width(), pix.height() );
// Allow styles to define the blend pixmap - allows for some interesting effects. kstyle->renderMenuBlendPixmap( renderPix, p->colorGroup(), p );
Where Liquid and KDE3's implementation differed was that KDE3 can optionally use XRender to shade the background pixmap, while Liquid will always use the blending methods I included in KPixmapEffect.
Now, mosfet has a funny position here. He says "It's not really XRender" and then he admits that we use XRender to shade the background pixmap. This is exactly what we claim. The method of transparency is chosen by the user in the KDE Control Center. There are options for Software Tint, Software Blend, and XRender Blend. Nobody claimed that these were 100% Real Translucent Menus (Just like in MacOS X!). We're still waiting for keithp and his magical X Translucency Extension before we can promise that.
But really. Don't you have anything better to do than troll about how "it's fake"?
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Actually.../opt/kde is a throwback to the KDE1 days, when it was recommended to use it (and./configure defaulted to it as the prefix).
Now,/usr/local/kde is generally regarded as the "correct" place to install it. I install it to/opt/kde3 as it was meant to be, though.:)
-clee
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Actually, you're wrong. People ARE buying the computers just so that they can use the iPods.
I realize that you refuse to believe this, but I just thought that I'd back up the other guy. It's actually true.
I hang out in the local Apple store (down here in Chandler, AZ) quite a bit, and you wouldn't believe the amount of people who walk out with new iPods - accompanied by iBooks (most commonly), iMacs (much more common since the iLamp model was introduced) and even TiBooks. When I bought my iPod (after my iBook:) there was a couple who had walked in just to check out the store, and they were in the process of buying a brand-new iMac with iPod when I walked out. ("in the process of buying" == signing the receipt after handing over the credit card.)
I know it's ridiculous, but the iPod _is_ selling Macs.
If you're looking for a UNIX system administrator full-time, I'd be very interested in the position... I've got plenty of experience with Linux, Windows 2000, Samba, FreeBSD, Apache, etc.
I also own an iBook and would love to work in an environment where I got to administer a Mac network.
Please drop me an email - I don't use Slashdot's email manglers, but my real email (the one that webmaster@konqueror.org forwards to) is lee@azsites.com.
Uh.... did you ever bother to realize that several important system utilities are in/bin and/lib? Like... say,/bin/sh - to load your init scripts. or/bin/mount, which happens to mount your partitions?
not to mention that these programs also happen to be dynamically linked (in some cases) to stuff like/lib/ld-linux.so.2....
It's not "No, no, you don't want to do that!"; it's "Uh... you can't do that." Which is damned right.
I'm not going to bother getting pissed off about your "baffled by the concept" insult, but I will just say this. All I need to do to stay reasonably secure on a Debian machine is run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. This keeps me up-to-date, safe, and happy. And, in the event that it isn't enough, I actually do grok the idea of disabling ports and services that I'm not using.
Doesn't it bother you that the vendor who issues your service packs doesn't bother to test to see if they work with their own software?
Aside from Microsoft's extremely shitty security record, which is reason enough to avoid them, I'd rather not have to deal with their instability. Not to mention the fact that I hate having to reboot (at least) four times just to get the damned OS installed. Not to mention updated, patched, and secured well enough that I can sleep soundly.
I'm glad to hear that you keep your machines patched. I'm also glad that I don't have to inform my clients about operating-system related downtime, since it doesn't happen. To each his own.
See, now, there's a huge difference between using Windows on a desktop, and Windows on a server. I was offtopic (admittedly) because I was ridiculing Zico for (apparently) using Windows on a server, which I think we can all agree is pretty retarded these days. I still haven't seen the outcome of Microsoft's "full month of focus" on security, have you?
As for your "facts" - I still don't quite see exactly what your point is. I understand that Windows is the dominant corporate desktop. It sure didn't get there because it's superior.
It's hard to dispute "facts" when they aren't backing a single coherent point. My point remains that for a server, Windows is ridiculous. For a desktop machine, you should probably buy a Mac, because Apple's offering is actually superior to a new PC with Windows XP. If you're a developer, stick with MS and follow them to.NET, or join us on the Linux side. The thing is, Microsoft's options just don't make much sense anymore.
That's a good one. I suppose you run your website off of IIS on Windows 2000 Advanced Server, eh? Have fun with Code Red, NIMDA, and the others?
Please. Their products might be easier to install, but "vastly better" is a huge stretch. For a desktop system, sure, they've got more software - that's one of the perks of being the monopoly.
Windows XP is such utter shit that I won't even start with it. MacOS X is better in every way that matters to the consumer, and that's really all that I care about. Anyway, have fun with your superior toys. Some of us have real work to do.
Don't know about the airport-at-boot but the latest Linux kernels (with benh's patches) all have excellent support for my iBook2. Sound works, DVD works, network works, but I don't have airport (however, there's a kernel driver for it, and it's not even marked "EXPERIMENTAL" so I guess it probably works well too).
It's so much more responsive than OS X that it's not even funny. I wonder if anyone else notices this on their G3s? That's the one reason I find myself in Linux more now.
just to let you know... I use Debian on the iBook.
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Heh. Still waiting for it, or still waiting for it to load? /me ducks.
I don't know about GNOME since I don't spend much time in it, but I can guarantee you that EVERY SINGLE release of KDE since 2.0 has gotten faster.
The KDE developers have added features, sure. But 3.1 is going to be another large leap forward in performance; Maks Orlovich in particular is doing an amazing job cleaning up Konqueror and speed-optimizing it. Plus with stuff like prelink on the horizon, the days when KDE was "too slow" are behind us, or are soon to be.
Another poster noted that Redhat is, in fact, including KDE 3.1 (probably RC6, although I wouldn't put it past them to be using CVS from 3_1_BRANCH) with Phoebe.
Also, note that RedHat is the _only_ distro that ships GNOME as the default desktop (aside from Debian, but Debian doesn't ship any default desktop. Every Debian-based desktop distro uses KDE, or a derivative/hack of KDE.)
Just some thoughts.
Strip down a basic redhat install of _every_ extra package that the installer wants, and you end up with well over 500 MB of software. (This was on 7.3, last I checked.)
:)
That does NOT constitute stripped-down in my book. Also, the resulting system that you get is f*cking useless. It has no ssh{d}, wget, apache, or practically anything.
So, yeah, theoretically, you could probably strip down a redhat install to less than 500MB. But the resulting system would be even more useless. Debian is much better if you're going for low disk usage - and the packages you get in under 200MB are much more useful. (Then again, what do I know - I use Gentoo!
make: *** No rule to make target `do'. Stop.
Hmmm. Gentoo includes the nVidia drivers. :)
(Gentoo is source-based, in case you didn't know. but having nVidia-based X with the SGI GL is a few 'emerge's away, and requires zero screwing with config files.)
-clee
How about an installation CD that also plays Unreal Tournament 2003?
Boot floppies?
:)
Apple hasn't shipped a Mac with a floppy drive in years, man.
A boot ISO, maybe. Boot floppies? heh. I'm still laughing.
Thanks for that.
Actually, yes, Konqueror (from KDE3) has an integrated webdav:// ioslave.
-clee
Hey, you forgot the _most_ obvious one! jesus.
Gwen Stacy
In the movie, Mary Jane is the girl that gets kidnapped by the Green Goblin. Everyone who's ever read the comic book knows that the death of Gwen is one of the few things that haunts Peter throughout the rest of his days.
All of them are being stripped out? What if you escape them?
-clee
Do you happen to have a link?
People are reporting that with fully-patched IEs they are still seeing this. I'd suggest you double-check.
Well, like the other guy pointed out, there IS MacOS X.
However, you really shouldn't judge it until you do try it out on the latest hardware. The Titanium PowerBook is expensive, yes, but it's also a perfect OS X machine.
(says the owner of an iBook and an iMac LCD edition. the iMac is perfectly usable. the iBook... trust me, I understand your concerns.)
-clee
Take a closer look. CmdrTaco himself added that comment, not the submitter of the article.
:)
And yes, we would dance around a camp fire if GNOME announced that it shut down. Or... well, at least some of us would. And we know that at least a few of them would do the same if we ever gave up.
At what cost does that usability come, though? Sure, it might be a simple interface, and it might even be a good one (arguable, imo) but the real issue at hand is that Outlook is the single largest virus propogation program in the _world_.
Think about that next time you double-click the icon.
-clee
(And no, mosfet's web page doesn't count. How about you look at the code and decide for yourself?)
Here, I'll back up the fact that it IS XRender. (code is from a CVS copy of kdelibs/kdefx/kstyle.cpp.)Now, like I was saying, where's your backup? Hell, I'll even quote mosfet's web page about this one.
(from mosfet's liquid web page)
Now, mosfet has a funny position here. He says "It's not really XRender" and then he admits that we use XRender to shade the background pixmap. This is exactly what we claim. The method of transparency is chosen by the user in the KDE Control Center. There are options for Software Tint, Software Blend, and XRender Blend. Nobody claimed that these were 100% Real Translucent Menus (Just like in MacOS X!). We're still waiting for keithp and his magical X Translucency Extension before we can promise that.
But really. Don't you have anything better to do than troll about how "it's fake"?
Actually... /opt/kde is a throwback to the KDE1 days, when it was recommended to use it (and ./configure defaulted to it as the prefix).
/usr/local/kde is generally regarded as the "correct" place to install it. I install it to /opt/kde3 as it was meant to be, though. :)
Now,
-clee
Actually, you're wrong. People ARE buying the computers just so that they can use the iPods.
:) there was a couple who had walked in just to check out the store, and they were in the process of buying a brand-new iMac with iPod when I walked out. ("in the process of buying" == signing the receipt after handing over the credit card.)
I realize that you refuse to believe this, but I just thought that I'd back up the other guy. It's actually true.
I hang out in the local Apple store (down here in Chandler, AZ) quite a bit, and you wouldn't believe the amount of people who walk out with new iPods - accompanied by iBooks (most commonly), iMacs (much more common since the iLamp model was introduced) and even TiBooks. When I bought my iPod (after my iBook
I know it's ridiculous, but the iPod _is_ selling Macs.
-clee
If you're looking for a UNIX system administrator full-time, I'd be very interested in the position... I've got plenty of experience with Linux, Windows 2000, Samba, FreeBSD, Apache, etc.
I also own an iBook and would love to work in an environment where I got to administer a Mac network.
Please drop me an email - I don't use Slashdot's email manglers, but my real email (the one that webmaster@konqueror.org forwards to) is lee@azsites.com.
-clee
Uh.... did you ever bother to realize that several important system utilities are in /bin and /lib? Like... say, /bin/sh - to load your init scripts. or /bin/mount, which happens to mount your partitions?
/lib/ld-linux.so.2....
not to mention that these programs also happen to be dynamically linked (in some cases) to stuff like
It's not "No, no, you don't want to do that!"; it's "Uh... you can't do that." Which is damned right.
-clee
I'm not going to bother getting pissed off about your "baffled by the concept" insult, but I will just say this. All I need to do to stay reasonably secure on a Debian machine is run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. This keeps me up-to-date, safe, and happy. And, in the event that it isn't enough, I actually do grok the idea of disabling ports and services that I'm not using.
Doesn't it bother you that the vendor who issues your service packs doesn't bother to test to see if they work with their own software?
Aside from Microsoft's extremely shitty security record, which is reason enough to avoid them, I'd rather not have to deal with their instability. Not to mention the fact that I hate having to reboot (at least) four times just to get the damned OS installed. Not to mention updated, patched, and secured well enough that I can sleep soundly.
I'm glad to hear that you keep your machines patched. I'm also glad that I don't have to inform my clients about operating-system related downtime, since it doesn't happen. To each his own.
See, now, there's a huge difference between using Windows on a desktop, and Windows on a server. I was offtopic (admittedly) because I was ridiculing Zico for (apparently) using Windows on a server, which I think we can all agree is pretty retarded these days. I still haven't seen the outcome of Microsoft's "full month of focus" on security, have you?
.NET, or join us on the Linux side. The thing is, Microsoft's options just don't make much sense anymore.
As for your "facts" - I still don't quite see exactly what your point is. I understand that Windows is the dominant corporate desktop. It sure didn't get there because it's superior.
It's hard to dispute "facts" when they aren't backing a single coherent point. My point remains that for a server, Windows is ridiculous. For a desktop machine, you should probably buy a Mac, because Apple's offering is actually superior to a new PC with Windows XP. If you're a developer, stick with MS and follow them to
That's a good one. I suppose you run your website off of IIS on Windows 2000 Advanced Server, eh? Have fun with Code Red, NIMDA, and the others?
Please. Their products might be easier to install, but "vastly better" is a huge stretch. For a desktop system, sure, they've got more software - that's one of the perks of being the monopoly.
Windows XP is such utter shit that I won't even start with it. MacOS X is better in every way that matters to the consumer, and that's really all that I care about. Anyway, have fun with your superior toys. Some of us have real work to do.
Don't know about the airport-at-boot but the latest Linux kernels (with benh's patches) all have excellent support for my iBook2. Sound works, DVD works, network works, but I don't have airport (however, there's a kernel driver for it, and it's not even marked "EXPERIMENTAL" so I guess it probably works well too).
It's so much more responsive than OS X that it's not even funny. I wonder if anyone else notices this on their G3s? That's the one reason I find myself in Linux more now.
just to let you know... I use Debian on the iBook.
-clee
NICE card. I used the 2.4.x CS4624 drivers, and they worked ok - you should probably give them a try yourself.