You know, with better design, it shouldn't matter. If all Intel is planning to do is scale their P4 another generation then I say, 'Big Whoop!'
Look at how the Opteron is kicking ass at only 2.2 GHz! Or for an even more painful example, look at the Pentium M at 1.3 GHz. Unbelievable performance if you want it. But Intel seems hell bent on clock frequency and that's exactly what you get with the P4 designs.
Keep in mind though, ATi totally ruled Nvidia this year with their 9800 Pro design and you know, it's only.15 microns as opposed to Nvidia's 'superior'.13 process. Chip efficiency isn't totally based on wire size.
Isn't that close to what they said about moving to.90? That, uh, didn't happen. The Prescott is coming in at over 100 watts - CASES will need to be redesigned to handle the heat output.
Intel bet their farm on being able to ramp up clock speed as opposed to making a more efficient chip (ala Opteron) and they're finding it harder to keep up. Take a look at the efficency of even a Pentium M at 1.3 GHz and you'll see why this is important - at least from a technical standpoint.
But I guess if you're whole marketing plan is based upon clock cycles,.65 *might* be important. All I know is.90 really didn't solve this problem for them to the extent.13 did over.18.
...against the wall and some will eventually stick. SOMEONE out there still values SCOX ("Gotta get me sommma that!" (tm)), so obviously they haven't gotten the full picture yet.
Sometimes with all the rapid developments in this case, it's easy to forget their past deeds. Seeing it in full context should set a few more alarms off. Maybe. At least no one can say they weren't warned.
Personally, I think this is all just a money game for the execs and brokers. Care to guess who the losers will be?:P
Here at the 'oldest girls' school in the US' I can show you some wiring history! The vast majority of this school's been around almost 270 years. Some of our basements are a real treat.
There's everything down there from the original 1900's-era wiring (before standardized sockets), to the refits done in the 30's, to the stuff put in a few times after that. One time fuse blew a few years ago and it took our electician almost 4 hours to FIND it.
When we got DSL a few years back, the phone company didn't ever try using the existing phone lines and just ran a CAT 5 to the trunk.
Things certainly look better now than they did a few years back, but there's still plenty of history stapled to the wood.:)
Ah, something not yet taxed that should be, eh? I'm sure it will solve everything. Just like tolling highways to reduce traffic (ala Reston/Tyson's Corner VA area). Yeah, that'll work.
NOT.
That should be trademarked man!
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As a loyal Gamespy user I was shocked/angered at your C&D letter to a bug finder. What you have managed to do is piss off a lot of people - some of which will probably now target these very vulnerabilities you've ignored for so long just because of your attitude.
The general sentiment on Slashdot is that the next time a hole in your software is found, it should just be anonymously published as a worm instead. God knows, no one wants to be sued, right? Using the DMCA and chasing after people like this is a waste of time and money (watch the futile attempts of the movie industry to control DeCSS as an example). Bottom line: FIX YOUR PRODUCT and STOP WHINING ABOUT IT.
I'm writing to other game manufacturers like EA who use your services to let them know just how dissatisfied/disgusted I am with you folks. I will never buy a product with your logo on it until I am certain you've corrected this issue appropriately.
BTW, what are we to think of a company who ignores bug reports from the wild - especially those that may concern the security of my system?
I saw them in upstate New York (Troy) back in November of '86. At first, we didn't even know what the hell we were looking at. There we were, 50 yards or so from that HUGE water tank on the RPI campus, and as a backdrop this blue/gold shimmering. Eeerie, but way cool.
...Could possibly pull that off. I'd sure love to see it though it would be a first. A lot of these exec scumbags and lawyers got off during the dom-com era too.
I'm always reminded of the incompetance/greed of Commodore and their ruling class. Those guys made off big. In their last years, the CEO was making more than IBM's CEO even then the company was losing millions upon millions (he did give some of it back in the last year though - how kind).
Here was a company with great products (well, the Amiga-based stuff anyway) run by people whose only possible thoughts ran to corporate meetings in Bermuda and grabbing all the cash they could before it all went down.
After the liquidation (which was a sad affair I happened to attend in West Chester, PA), a bunch of shareholders got together and decided to sue the former execs for malfeasance. It never went anywhere. Basically, they were outspent before they began. But in the case of SCO, it would indeed be interesting to see if a corporate entity like IBM would get involved in pursuing these guys after it all goes down.
You know, the hotshot lawyer who was there on the first day? He's never showed up for any press release since. I guess I wouldn't show either, given their chances at actually winning this lawsuit. No need to drag the rep of their firm into it, right?
What is this guy thinking? The whole point of Windows on the desktop is to lock you into the Windows Domain environment as well.
Granted, SAMBA 3 is supporting Domain security now, but back end application support couple with front end development tools like VB is the real deal. Getting Linux accepted for more than Firewalls and DNS servers is going to require better integration with the client - something MS isn't going to be helpful about.
What about those RH customers that are currently using RH back and front end? I can think of a few (Boscov's here in PA, Ernie Ball, etc.) Should they now switch back to Windows for the client also?
This is simply a slam against other distros, plain and simple. C'mon 'slik', be competitive, but recommend Windows??! Give me a break!
When you say, 'Newbie', what kind of user do you mean? Grandma, or a sysadmin who has only used Microsoft?
I was the latter kind four years ago when I was turned on to Red Hat, but for my purposes it could have been Mandrake, SuSE, or now, Xandros (killer MS compatibility). In a way, we have more and better choices than Red Hat, it just depends on what you want to do with it.
That said, one of our main applications at the school is now running on a RH 9 distro. Will I bite for the Enterprise product? Yup. Still cheaper than Windows and bulletproof too.
As for Grandma, there's always Lindows. Don't laugh, it's a kick-ass little distro for the desktop.
I don't feel comfortable giving my fingerprint to just anyone - particularly a company that I have no business relationship with. In other words, I don't trust them. I'm just there to cash a check!
Oh, I'm sure they have standards in place, but there are exceptions - people make mistakes that aren't necessarily criminal but end up looking that way. See 'Brazil' sometime for an extreme example of this sort of thing. You know, it's closer than you think.
...all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it? All that data about you and yours? Think it'll get any better? Think again.
It amazes me how much people don't think about privacy anymore. How the concept of supermarket sales has given way to 'Bonus Cards' which track what you buy. Few understand how this information can be used to piece together a bigger picture.
Some Wachovia Bank branches are now requiring a FINGERPRINT before you can cash a check. The situation is this: If you are not a customer, you are now required to give them a an electronic finger scan to cash a check made out under Wachovia.
Where does it end? Should I just give them a hair sample now or wait until my implant is required?
I've decided that it's not just the scumbags at SCO that practice this deceit. It's also the lawyers and stock brokers looking to get in on the action.
These 'investment advisors' know damn well SCO doesn't stand a chance, but they also know that SCO is corrupt to the bones and they understand the kind of game they're playing.
Once again, the clueless investors, SCO's 'partners', their employees, and customers will be screwed in the end. I've seen this before and it's not pretty.
I agree with you - I wish there was some way to "draw the line HERE" and "make them PAY for what they have done!" But alas, it probably won't happen.
My apologies for the Star Trek slip - I'll try not to let it happen again.:P
Ahahahaha! It sounds like the SCO version of 'All Your Base':)
And again they take full advantage of GPL'd projects like SAMBA 3 (that's how they get their much-touted AD support), GCC and others, and yet slam it for everything else. To anyone else out there 'borrowing' GPL'd BSD code - it's piracy, but for them, hey, it's part of the UnixWare Experience (R)
What is it about this concept that few seem to grasp? NOTHING about what they are doing has anything to do with planning for a corporate 'future'.
This is all about Darl and the boyz kicking back with an alcoholic beverage on some island. There's more than enough obvious clues here:
The fact that you haven't seen David Boies - the wonder lawyer, since this began. The constant flow of ridiculous statements (no honest lawyer who cared about the outcome would allow this). The high ratio of exec stock sales. The fake stolen source code publically shown, universally disproven. All this and more proves that SCO doesn't care how it all turns out as long as the execs get to avoid jail time and enjoy their 'hard earned' cash.
"I'd be a lonely developer with some chump change. Yay."
Yes, but Darl will soon be able to tell you just how good a Pina Colada can taste while tanning off the Gold Coast.
Sorry, couldn't resist that. Seriously though, this kind of backbiting and ladder-climbing was why I went into education. It is far more rewarding even if it's not as lucrative.
No, they haven't said anything ridiculous enough yet. Let them claim that they'll be revising their claims against IBM for...
ONE BILLION DOLLARS...and then, they'll get stupid investors again. If there's one thing the dot-com crash proved it's that there's a sucker born every minute.
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You know, with better design, it shouldn't matter. If all Intel is planning to do is scale their P4 another generation then I say, 'Big Whoop!'
.15 microns as opposed to Nvidia's 'superior' .13 process. Chip efficiency isn't totally based on wire size.
Look at how the Opteron is kicking ass at only 2.2 GHz! Or for an even more painful example, look at the Pentium M at 1.3 GHz. Unbelievable performance if you want it. But Intel seems hell bent on clock frequency and that's exactly what you get with the P4 designs.
Keep in mind though, ATi totally ruled Nvidia this year with their 9800 Pro design and you know, it's only
Isn't that close to what they said about moving to .90? That, uh, didn't happen. The Prescott is coming in at over 100 watts - CASES will need to be redesigned to handle the heat output.
.65 *might* be important. All I know is .90 really didn't solve this problem for them to the extent .13 did over .18.
Intel bet their farm on being able to ramp up clock speed as opposed to making a more efficient chip (ala Opteron) and they're finding it harder to keep up. Take a look at the efficency of even a Pentium M at 1.3 GHz and you'll see why this is important - at least from a technical standpoint.
But I guess if you're whole marketing plan is based upon clock cycles,
...against the wall and some will eventually stick. SOMEONE out there still values SCOX ("Gotta get me sommma that!" (tm)), so obviously they haven't gotten the full picture yet.
:P
Sometimes with all the rapid developments in this case, it's easy to forget their past deeds. Seeing it in full context should set a few more alarms off. Maybe. At least no one can say they weren't warned.
Personally, I think this is all just a money game for the execs and brokers. Care to guess who the losers will be?
Here at the 'oldest girls' school in the US' I can show you some wiring history! The vast majority of this school's been around almost 270 years. Some of our basements are a real treat.
:)
There's everything down there from the original 1900's-era wiring (before standardized sockets), to the refits done in the 30's, to the stuff put in a few times after that. One time fuse blew a few years ago and it took our electician almost 4 hours to FIND it.
When we got DSL a few years back, the phone company didn't ever try using the existing phone lines and just ran a CAT 5 to the trunk.
Things certainly look better now than they did a few years back, but there's still plenty of history stapled to the wood.
Ah, something not yet taxed that should be, eh? I'm sure it will solve everything. Just like tolling highways to reduce traffic (ala Reston/Tyson's Corner VA area). Yeah, that'll work.
NOT.
"Gotta get me somma that SCOX!!" (tm) :)
As a loyal Gamespy user I was shocked/angered at your C&D letter to a bug finder. What you have managed to do is piss off a lot of people - some of which will probably now target these very vulnerabilities you've ignored for so long just because of your attitude.
The general sentiment on Slashdot is that the next time a hole in your software is found, it should just be anonymously published as a worm instead. God knows, no one wants to be sued, right? Using the DMCA and chasing after people like this is a waste of time and money (watch the futile attempts of the movie industry to control DeCSS as an example). Bottom line: FIX YOUR PRODUCT and STOP WHINING ABOUT IT.
I'm writing to other game manufacturers like EA who use your services to let them know just how dissatisfied/disgusted I am with you folks. I will never buy a product with your logo on it until I am certain you've corrected this issue appropriately.
BTW, what are we to think of a company who ignores bug reports from the wild - especially those that may concern the security of my system?
Not smart guys. Really.
I mean, what's Slashdot without an obgligatory Star Trek reference?!
MONA - from Max Payne 2. God, she looks good on my 9800 Pro.
:)
She's a crack shot too. Is talent involved in the judging?
I saw them in upstate New York (Troy) back in November of '86. At first, we didn't even know what the hell we were looking at. There we were, 50 yards or so from that HUGE water tank on the RPI campus, and as a backdrop this blue/gold shimmering. Eeerie, but way cool.
...Could possibly pull that off. I'd sure love to see it though it would be a first. A lot of these exec scumbags and lawyers got off during the dom-com era too.
I'm always reminded of the incompetance/greed of Commodore and their ruling class. Those guys made off big. In their last years, the CEO was making more than IBM's CEO even then the company was losing millions upon millions (he did give some of it back in the last year though - how kind).
Here was a company with great products (well, the Amiga-based stuff anyway) run by people whose only possible thoughts ran to corporate meetings in Bermuda and grabbing all the cash they could before it all went down.
After the liquidation (which was a sad affair I happened to attend in West Chester, PA), a bunch of shareholders got together and decided to sue the former execs for malfeasance. It never went anywhere. Basically, they were outspent before they began. But in the case of SCO, it would indeed be interesting to see if a corporate entity like IBM would get involved in pursuing these guys after it all goes down.
You know, the hotshot lawyer who was there on the first day? He's never showed up for any press release since. I guess I wouldn't show either, given their chances at actually winning this lawsuit. No need to drag the rep of their firm into it, right?
What is this guy thinking? The whole point of Windows on the desktop is to lock you into the Windows Domain environment as well.
Granted, SAMBA 3 is supporting Domain security now, but back end application support couple with front end development tools like VB is the real deal. Getting Linux accepted for more than Firewalls and DNS servers is going to require better integration with the client - something MS isn't going to be helpful about.
What about those RH customers that are currently using RH back and front end? I can think of a few (Boscov's here in PA, Ernie Ball, etc.) Should they now switch back to Windows for the client also?
This is simply a slam against other distros, plain and simple. C'mon 'slik', be competitive, but recommend Windows??! Give me a break!
When you say, 'Newbie', what kind of user do you mean? Grandma, or a sysadmin who has only used Microsoft?
I was the latter kind four years ago when I was turned on to Red Hat, but for my purposes it could have been Mandrake, SuSE, or now, Xandros (killer MS compatibility). In a way, we have more and better choices than Red Hat, it just depends on what you want to do with it.
That said, one of our main applications at the school is now running on a RH 9 distro. Will I bite for the Enterprise product? Yup. Still cheaper than Windows and bulletproof too.
As for Grandma, there's always Lindows. Don't laugh, it's a kick-ass little distro for the desktop.
Heh.. I believe this was my point exactly! Sorry this is just simply accepted behavior now... :P
"Under US law the cops don't need a warrant for anything you willfully disregard..."
I agree, too little too late, but I wasn't talking about law enforcement; I was talking about a corporation! Big difference, or at least I think so.
I don't feel comfortable giving my fingerprint to just anyone - particularly a company that I have no business relationship with. In other words, I don't trust them. I'm just there to cash a check!
Oh, I'm sure they have standards in place, but there are exceptions - people make mistakes that aren't necessarily criminal but end up looking that way. See 'Brazil' sometime for an extreme example of this sort of thing. You know, it's closer than you think.
What is it about a 'slippery slope' that you don't understand?
You're a great example of who I mean. No consideration at all...
...all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it? All that data about you and yours? Think it'll get any better? Think again.
It amazes me how much people don't think about privacy anymore. How the concept of supermarket sales has given way to 'Bonus Cards' which track what you buy. Few understand how this information can be used to piece together a bigger picture.
Some Wachovia Bank branches are now requiring a FINGERPRINT before you can cash a check. The situation is this: If you are not a customer, you are now required to give them a an electronic finger scan to cash a check made out under Wachovia.
Where does it end? Should I just give them a hair sample now or wait until my implant is required?
What?
You know what?
:P
I've decided that it's not just the scumbags at SCO that practice this deceit. It's also the lawyers and stock brokers looking to get in on the action.
These 'investment advisors' know damn well SCO doesn't stand a chance, but they also know that SCO is corrupt to the bones and they understand the kind of game they're playing.
Once again, the clueless investors, SCO's 'partners', their employees, and customers will be screwed in the end. I've seen this before and it's not pretty.
I agree with you - I wish there was some way to "draw the line HERE" and "make them PAY for what they have done!" But alas, it probably won't happen.
My apologies for the Star Trek slip - I'll try not to let it happen again.
Ahahahaha! It sounds like the SCO version of 'All Your Base' :)
And again they take full advantage of GPL'd projects like SAMBA 3 (that's how they get their much-touted AD support), GCC and others, and yet slam it for everything else. To anyone else out there 'borrowing' GPL'd BSD code - it's piracy, but for them, hey, it's part of the UnixWare Experience (R)
SCO DOESN'T CARE
What is it about this concept that few seem to grasp? NOTHING about what they are doing has anything to do with planning for a corporate 'future'.
This is all about Darl and the boyz kicking back with an alcoholic beverage on some island. There's more than enough obvious clues here:
The fact that you haven't seen David Boies - the wonder lawyer, since this began. The constant flow of ridiculous statements (no honest lawyer who cared about the outcome would allow this). The high ratio of exec stock sales. The fake stolen source code publically shown, universally disproven. All this and more proves that SCO doesn't care how it all turns out as long as the execs get to avoid jail time and enjoy their 'hard earned' cash.
"I'd be a lonely developer with some chump change. Yay."
Yes, but Darl will soon be able to tell you just how good a Pina Colada can taste while tanning off the Gold Coast.
Sorry, couldn't resist that. Seriously though, this kind of backbiting and ladder-climbing was why I went into education. It is far more rewarding even if it's not as lucrative.
No, they haven't said anything ridiculous enough yet. Let them claim that they'll be revising their claims against IBM for...
...and then, they'll get stupid investors again. If there's one thing the dot-com crash proved it's that there's a sucker born every minute.
ONE BILLION DOLLARS