I wouldn't mind most of the changes myself, but it will take decades for this standard to replace the current version if they drop compatibility. I'm sure that a few days afterwards Mozilla will have support for it, but the massive numbers of people who haven't yet upgraded to CSS-capable browsers tell me that we might see a few sites using XHTML 2 in, say, 2010.
First off, CSS support has been around since IE4 NS4.
Second, if you have Windows 98, you have IE4.
Third, Mozilla simply doesn't follow all CSS properties.
The word standard implies that it is unwaivering and uniform. XHTML is most definitely NOT that!
oops, just used a <br/>
Damnitall, well be seeing websites with HTML 4.0 forever.
Microsoft, Mozilla, Opera, Kde, etc., etc.. Screw the interface of your browser! Just get the dammed thing to display pages consistently with the law of the internet!
Then again, the law has no teeth, you abide because "you're supposed to."
Or that's what I get from it at least.
Good luck trying to get ANY consistency if you really want to separate info and content!
I have written sites with CSS for layout instead of Tables as the W3Crecommends. It does not render consistently in ANYTHING. IE6SP1 displays it differently from IE6, IE5 (SP1,2), IE4 and Opera's CSS support is lacking. I've checked the page in Phoenix and it renders fairly well.
For more information, I've saw a good tutorial on CSS stuff at Glish.com
but, Wal-Mart Exxon GM Ford Enron GE Citigroup ChevronTexaco IBM Philip Morris Verizon AIG AEP Duke AT&T Boeing Paso Home Depot Bank of American Fannie Mae JP Morgan Chase Kroger Cardinal Health Merck State Farm Reliant HP Morgan Stanley Dynergy McKesson Sears Roebuck Aquila Target Proctor & Gamble Merill Lynch AOL Time Warner Berkshire Hathaway Kmart Freddie Mac WorldCom MArathon Oil Costco Safeway Compaq Johnson & Johnson Conoco Pfizer JC Penney MetLife Mirant Dell Goldman UPS Motorola Allstate TXU United Technologies Dow Chemicals.
There, now you have something to be scared of.
Yes I know, they're not all Media or Telecom companies.
MS has not just been a software company for a while. It is a monstrous thing. Not for its software, but for its policies. It has become a sort of governmental figure in the Software industry. They create policies and exist under a huge bureaucracy wherein Billie boy is the the ruler in pertuity.
People are fearful of and distrustful of MS the same way they have been of the government since the LBJ days (I'm thinking Vietnam here)-- and many before then (I'm thinking Ralph Waldo Emerson types here).
I google, but I haven't stopped learning.
Example: Do you know what the lil 'i' stands for in genetics, when dealing with blood types. I do! Antigen.
I googled that a couple weeks ago just to answer a part of a AP Biology question. Am I stupider for just looking it up? NO. Why the hell would I want to look through 100+ pages of a chapter in my text when I could know instantly.
The result is the same: I know it now, I didn't before.
But, then again, I actually wanted to learn it! Make that true for most HS students and you've done something.
Ahem,
4. Because the page may render akwardly. My point here was that CSS fixed pt makes infinitely more sense that using font tags.
9. I have never understood this one. If the website is dynamic, tell the person how to get there. As much as the W3C says URIs shouldn't change, they do, and this is the most reliable way to get to a desired location. People need to learn to NAVIGATE not just be monkeys that type in URIs.
10. That one is easy, it's not true. Most websites DO NOT change the status bar. If they do Proxomitron it.
As for the ALL CAPS comment. I agree, and I had that on there as a joke but decided to remove it.
4. Fixed Font Size
Sorry buddy. Get a REAL Browser, with full page zooming, not just silly text zooming.
Opera
9. URL > 75 Characters
Not even realistic, we're past little html pages now, it's something called dynamic content. and without HTTP_GET you will be forced to fill out a form of where you would like to go (Think Web Application, Web Application...).
10. Mailto Links in Unexpected Locations
Tell the damned user to look at their STATUS BAR.
Add These
FLASH Navigation
FRAMES
REALLY BIG ADVERTISEMENTS
POP UP/UNDER/SIDEWAYS/THROUGH/OVER/AROUND... ADS
INEFFECTIVE (read: STUPID) use of COOKIES
From the article:PHP runs seamlessly under Windows, as do MySQL and Apache. WAMP anyone?
IMO this is what makes *AMP. Consistency between platforms. I use Apache, MySQL, and PHP religiously, and no matter what kind of machine I'm running everything on it is seamless.
I'm not saying this isn't true with other scripting languages, but being able to code on anything with a few tools no matter where I am is EXCEPTIONALLY nice. PHP's use on large web application projects has been uncertain. Yahoo
doesn't feel this way. Neither does
Earthlink (WebMail)
But I suppose perception needs to change--you don't have to have a billion dollars
[Article, still reading it. ..] in the bank to make a great web language. (*cough* M$ *cough*) Neither do you need a couple thousand to deploy a website with dynamic content.
I don't care, before PC-gaming there was NES and SNES. I started playing them when I was a kid, and they're still all I can't stop playing. The Super Marios and the Zeldas are not the most rare, but in my book the graphics and gameplay make them GREAT. I love toying with the emulators of the two consoles as well.
Right on the money. I'm involved in a project where I've spent amazing amounts of time implementing 'features', only to be told that they're not all that important, and to drop it!
with that said, ahem:
I DEAL WITH THE GODDAMN CUSTOMERS SO THE ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE TO!
I have good PEOPLE SKILLS, I AM GOOD at dealing with PEOPLE!
CAN'T you understand that! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!
I'll go ahead and point out the flaws in the article I linked::
Mr. Zarowin,
I would like to take this opportunity to correct some misconceptions evident
in your column Technology Q&A in Novembers issue of
Journal of Accountancy.
Quote: For those who are unaware of Linux (pronounced
LIH-nucks)
Correction: Linux is pronounced (Lee-nooks) here is a link
to a wav file of Linus himself saying Linux. http://www.ssc.com/lj/linuxsay.html
Quote: You can download the latest version free from
www.linux.org, although there are inexpensive commercial products available
for those who want special support and easy setup. The leading commercial provider
is Red Hat (www.redhat.com) and it costs about $49.
Correction: This is very misleading. Red Hat is also available
free from Red Hats website http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html
Quote: The free version, OpenOffice.org 1.0, which
uses basic StarOffice coding from Sun Microsystems, has all the usual office
applications except for database and e-mail components. You can download the
50-megabyte app from www.openoffice.org.
Correction: OpenOffice.org does not use coding from Sun MicrosystemsSuns
product StarOffice is based upon OpenOffice.org Sun Microsystems' engineering
efforts that will deliver future versions of the StarOffice productivity suite
will be derived directly from the OpenOffice.org technology base. Sun will use
the single OpenOffice.org master CVS source base as its own engineering master
source base. Thus, developers from all communities will be able to see Sun's
development contributions on a daily basis and be able to become directly involved
in the development of the OpenOffice.org technology as well as the branded StarOffice
productivity suite. http://www.openoffice.org/white_papers/OOo_project/introduction.html
Simply put: If a Linux Distro Co [LDC] takes the code and GPLs it, every LDC is NOT going to start using it!
The LDC may modify the code all it wants and create an excellent product that worked well in THEIR distro. People would choose that distro because of the default capability of the product.
Redhat defaults OpenOffice.org in their distro-- nontechnical magazines (the kind businessmen read, like Journal of Accountancy) LOVE THIS!
Buying the source and GPLing it could very well be profitable for this reason.
You just have to realize that some of your target audience wants one solution from one partner.
Slashdot Mirror
I wouldn't mind most of the changes myself, but it will take decades for this standard to replace the current version if they drop compatibility. I'm sure that a few days afterwards Mozilla will have support for it, but the massive numbers of people who haven't yet upgraded to CSS-capable browsers tell me that we might see a few sites using XHTML 2 in, say, 2010.
First off, CSS support has been around since IE4 NS4.
Second, if you have Windows 98, you have IE4.
Third, Mozilla simply doesn't follow all CSS properties.
The word standard implies that it is unwaivering and uniform. XHTML is most definitely NOT that! />
oops, just used a <br
Damnitall, well be seeing websites with HTML 4.0 forever.
Microsoft, Mozilla, Opera, Kde, etc., etc.. Screw the interface of your browser! Just get the dammed thing to display pages consistently with the law of the internet!
Then again, the law has no teeth, you abide because "you're supposed to."
Or that's what I get from it at least.
Damn the damned government.
Take that! Whoever plotted the anthrax mailing scheme.
Your ability to ask a question that has only yielded one response may indicate that you need to give up the ship now while it's not too late!
As pointed out the image isn't all that hidden.
If it were, the apple legal team would be hot on the chase.
separate info and content! oops, that would be style and content.
Good luck trying to get ANY consistency if you really want to separate info and content!
I have written sites with CSS for layout instead of Tables as the W3C recommends. It does not render consistently in ANYTHING. IE6SP1 displays it differently from IE6, IE5 (SP1,2), IE4 and Opera's CSS support is lacking. I've checked the page in Phoenix and it renders fairly well.
For more information, I've saw a good tutorial on CSS stuff at Glish.com
but, Wal-Mart Exxon GM Ford Enron GE Citigroup ChevronTexaco IBM Philip Morris Verizon AIG AEP Duke AT&T Boeing Paso Home Depot Bank of American Fannie Mae JP Morgan Chase Kroger Cardinal Health Merck State Farm Reliant HP Morgan Stanley Dynergy McKesson Sears Roebuck Aquila Target Proctor & Gamble Merill Lynch AOL Time Warner Berkshire Hathaway Kmart Freddie Mac WorldCom MArathon Oil Costco Safeway Compaq Johnson & Johnson Conoco Pfizer JC Penney MetLife Mirant Dell Goldman UPS Motorola Allstate TXU United Technologies Dow Chemicals.
There, now you have something to be scared of.
Yes I know, they're not all Media or Telecom companies.
It was a "settlement" which is legal jargon for a bribe-- basically.
MS has not just been a software company for a while. It is a monstrous thing. Not for its software, but for its policies. It has become a sort of governmental figure in the Software industry. They create policies and exist under a huge bureaucracy wherein Billie boy is the the ruler in pertuity.
People are fearful of and distrustful of MS the same way they have been of the government since the LBJ days (I'm thinking Vietnam here)-- and many before then (I'm thinking Ralph Waldo Emerson types here).
I google, but I haven't stopped learning.
Example: Do you know what the lil 'i' stands for in genetics, when dealing with blood types. I do! Antigen.
I googled that a couple weeks ago just to answer a part of a AP Biology question. Am I stupider for just looking it up? NO. Why the hell would I want to look through 100+ pages of a chapter in my text when I could know instantly.
The result is the same: I know it now, I didn't before.
But, then again, I actually wanted to learn it! Make that true for most HS students and you've done something.
Ahem,
4. Because the page may render akwardly. My point here was that CSS fixed pt makes infinitely more sense that using font tags.
9. I have never understood this one. If the website is dynamic, tell the person how to get there. As much as the W3C says URIs shouldn't change, they do, and this is the most reliable way to get to a desired location. People need to learn to NAVIGATE not just be monkeys that type in URIs.
10. That one is easy, it's not true. Most websites DO NOT change the status bar. If they do Proxomitron it.
As for the ALL CAPS comment. I agree, and I had that on there as a joke but decided to remove it.
4. Fixed Font Size
Sorry buddy. Get a REAL Browser, with full page zooming, not just silly text zooming. Opera
9. URL > 75 Characters
Not even realistic, we're past little html pages now, it's something called dynamic content. and without HTTP_GET you will be forced to fill out a form of where you would like to go (Think Web Application, Web Application...).
10. Mailto Links in Unexpected Locations
Add TheseTell the damned user to look at their STATUS BAR.
FLASH Navigation
FRAMES
REALLY BIG ADVERTISEMENTS
POP UP/UNDER/SIDEWAYS/THROUGH/OVER/AROUND... ADS
INEFFECTIVE (read: STUPID) use of COOKIES
From the article: PHP runs seamlessly under Windows, as do MySQL and Apache. WAMP anyone?
.] in the bank to make a great web language. (*cough* M$ *cough*) Neither do you need a couple thousand to deploy a website with dynamic content.
IMO this is what makes *AMP. Consistency between platforms. I use Apache, MySQL, and PHP religiously, and no matter what kind of machine I'm running everything on it is seamless.
I'm not saying this isn't true with other scripting languages, but being able to code on anything with a few tools no matter where I am is EXCEPTIONALLY nice.
PHP's use on large web application projects has been uncertain. Yahoo doesn't feel this way. Neither does Earthlink (WebMail)
But I suppose perception needs to change--you don't have to have a billion dollars [Article, still reading it. .
in my mind, yes that would be the order.
I don't care, before PC-gaming there was NES and SNES. I started playing them when I was a kid, and they're still all I can't stop playing. The Super Marios and the Zeldas are not the most rare, but in my book the graphics and gameplay make them GREAT.
I love toying with the emulators of the two consoles as well.
The same damn person that is running iMesh, or KaZaA. Both of which are INFINITELY worse about privacy.
is that pesky thing still around? Short of locking myself in a cage, I honestly cannot escape every trap that exists to try and take it.
HAH! More like he'd be praised by mass media and loved by everyone in Hollywood!
Geez, what society are you living in???
I've already gotten it out of my system. I think everyone should feel better now.
Right on the money. I'm involved in a project where I've spent amazing amounts of time implementing 'features', only to be told that they're not all that important, and to drop it!
with that said, ahem:
I DEAL WITH THE GODDAMN CUSTOMERS SO THE ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE TO!
I have good PEOPLE SKILLS, I AM GOOD at dealing with PEOPLE!
CAN'T you understand that! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!
Simply put: If a Linux Distro Co [LDC] takes the code and GPLs it, every LDC is NOT going to start using it!
The LDC may modify the code all it wants and create an excellent product that worked well in THEIR distro. People would choose that distro because of the default capability of the product.
Redhat defaults OpenOffice.org in their distro-- nontechnical magazines (the kind businessmen read, like Journal of Accountancy) LOVE THIS!
Buying the source and GPLing it could very well be profitable for this reason.
You just have to realize that some of your target audience wants one solution from one partner.