NetBSD is a great example of a project that embraces commercial use, and benefits from the contributions it receives back. No, not all modifications end up free, but why should they? Most companies doing those sorts of things simply avoid the GPL. A certain percentage in fact do make their way back, and NetBSD is all the better for it. It's better that way anyways. Linux can get info from BSD's and roll that into the linux kernel, but the BSD's can't use linux code for their kernels.
I don't see Phoenix being used for BIOS and a browser as a problem, I don't see Firebird being used for a database and a browser as a problem, and I don't see grub the bootloader and grub the web spider conflicting. They're entirely different products, and there are only so many words out there. Here is one of a million examples of a name that is taken by tons of different companies.
Stick them in whatever directory you want, if that directory isn't already in XF86Config, then add it. Run "xset +fp/new/font/path" then "xset fp rehash".
In that dir, run mkfontdir and then "ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale". Should work.
Sure, it's mechanical, and it moves around until it finds an edge, but so did a toy I had when I was 5.
All it does is go go go go go until a little sensor inside detects a pitch, then one side goes go go go go in the opposite direction so it can turn away from the edge.
I hear that in the future, traffic lights will be able to tell when cars are at the intersection! Crazy times we live in.
Do you really want to move all that stuff (look, feel, window movements etc.) into GTK/Qt
Yes.
That's like saying that you want to move the functionality of tires into the windshield; it makes no sense (to me at least). Please explain what you mean.
Who cares, you're not gonna change the guy's mind. People pirate shit because they don't care, and someone nagging them on slashdot is not going to change that. Move on please!
0. Mouse gestures (you know, the things that Mozilla and Phoenix ripped off from Opera) are now customizable. In other words, there will be no more accidental window closures.
Careful with the flamebait there, buddy. Mozilla and Phoenix have a hard time "ripping" anyone "off". Their users saw a feature that they liked and enough developers agreed so they wrote it. Welcome to open source. Don't be so abrasive.
I find it interesting that with all of the babbling and speculation about version numbers, no one has mentioned that RH9 should include XF4.3, which means RandR support. AFAIK this is the first layman-oriented distro with it, and I expect redhat to have something similar to the windows display control panel, allowing on the fly resolution/refresh/etc changes. Should be interesting to see...
i remember seeing this on the television set. korn's new album cost 4 million dollars, because they set themselves up in rental mansions during the recording, and all kinds of other ridiculous things. i believe i remember hearing that the 1 million dollar mark was reserved for huge artists.
i'd say the average artist (but the average artist doesnt sell shit for records, comparatively) costs under $100K.
but then again, meth doesnt make you sloppy and stupid, it makes you obsessive/compulsive, so having your doctor on meth isnt really that bad of a thing. keeps him awake after 30 hours or whatever of no sleep.
I'm still running Debian on my other machine, I would switch, but it's running Apache, MySQL, BIND, Exim (i'm gonna get to learning sendmail), and something else i swear (buzzword overkill, brain freezing up) - anyways I don't...IPTables! That's it:P So I'll have to learn some ipf.
Anyways it'll be a while until I'm confident in doing all that with NetBSD, so Debian stays for a while - not that I all of a sudden don't like it, but I definitely prefer NetBSD now.
And of course I agree with your two added points:)
Damn, got here late, this story was posted while I was at work, and now probably no one will even see this comment:P
Some random thoughts:
I've run Linux for about a year and a few months, I've run Debian *only* for about a year, and recently I started running NetBSD on my desktop machine (yes, my desktop machine, not my server, router, or toaster). I don't see why people denounce the BSD's for desktop use. Mozilla runs, Xterm's run, irc clients run, Gaim runs, XMMS runs, MPlayer runs, damn, everything on my desktop runs:) For those that like KDE or Gnome, they run, in fact NetBSD had KDE 3 way before Debian ever did. So what's the fuss?
I moved from Linux to BSD for many reasons, BSD is much more tightly integrated. You don't get the "oh, that's Jim Bob Developer's fault, email him", etc. You don't get manual pages that state "This manual page is old and incomplete - please read the GNU info manual". Of course opinions differ, but I _like_ man pages. I don't like info manuals.
Another factor is the license and attitude of the community as far as licensing. I don't really like the GPL. Sure, in a perfect world, all software would be free, there would be no evil corporations, and everyone could sit around reading fine literature and hiking out in the mountains - BUT that's not going to happen. If people want to make a product and sell it, let them do it (as long as they're not breaking the law:)). If BSD wasn't around, alot of other operating systems would have gotten crappier TCP/IP stacks, OSX would probably be in much worse shape than it is (if it ever came to light at all), and many other things. So what if a vendor doesn't want to release their changes? They paid their people to write the code, let them have it. The original source will always be around.
BSD init is alot cleaner than Sys V init - no piles of symlinks with funny names - and NetBSD's rc.d system takes care of Sys V init-style init scripts (/etc/rc.d/named restart). In fact, NetBSD's rc.d system is being ported to FreeBSD.
ipf is, IMO, a hell of a lot nicer than IPTables.
The whole base system is consistant, well documented, well thought out, and easy to use as long as you know how to read. The userbase is *much* more intelligent and experienced, on average, however it is quite a bit smaller, than Linux's.
For software - there is pkgsrc, which is like Free/OpenBSD's ports system, or Gentoo's portage. pkgsrc is kept very up to date, I'm running Mozilla 1.2.1 from it right now.
As far as being a server or firewall/router, NetBSD runs any OSS Server stuff great, and I'm sure most Linux-only stuff would run fine under emulation.
Any other NetBSD users out there in the wasteland that is Slashdot? Speak up!:)
for $6K, you could build a hell of a system. 15K SCSI drives in a RAID 5 array, dual Athlon 2600+'s or whatever the newest is (or dual xeons or whatever), but this thing is pretty fucking lame. is this a joke? why the hell was this posted? remember cowboyneal, there are p4 3.06's now? and the systems with them dont cost $6K? and they arent in shoddily painted cases and overpriced by about 5x?
ok you didnt even make modules or make modules_install, but then you talk about forgetting a module? and even if you do forget a module, you can go back, select it, and compile it (only it), and install it, very quickly. and xconfig is lame.
and people posting stupid comments shouldn't refer to others as "kids".
my p233 ran with 2 fans at 5v, silently, for quite a while. now they're back at 12v, but just because it's stuffed into a motherboard (i.e. cardboard) box, and space is tight, so i figure i shouldnt skimp on cooling:P
anyways, while a 233 surely is not sufficient for a modern desktop, an athlon 1600 or so sure is, and they're about $60. not sure why people need the biggest baddest stuff, well ok maybe i am sure. ego boost:)
makes you wonder whether people that buy this stuff are just rich and dont give a crap, or they actually have save up for a while to afford it. if the latter, then man...poor fools....
ah..well.. you use some funky terms. virtual memory means all memory space addressable to the kernel, which is physical ram + swap space. swap space is not virtual memory, all memory is. it's always using virtual memory.
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NetBSD is a great example of a project that embraces commercial use, and benefits from the contributions it receives back. No, not all modifications end up free, but why should they? Most companies doing those sorts of things simply avoid the GPL. A certain percentage in fact do make their way back, and NetBSD is all the better for it. It's better that way anyways. Linux can get info from BSD's and roll that into the linux kernel, but the BSD's can't use linux code for their kernels.
I don't see Phoenix being used for BIOS and a browser as a problem, I don't see Firebird being used for a database and a browser as a problem, and I don't see grub the bootloader and grub the web spider conflicting. They're entirely different products, and there are only so many words out there. Here is one of a million examples of a name that is taken by tons of different companies.
News for nerds, stuff that matters! Stuff like 64-bit cpus and the matrix and.... t-shirt.. launching?
Stick them in whatever directory you want, if that directory isn't already in XF86Config, then add it. Run "xset +fp /new/font/path" then "xset fp rehash".
In that dir, run mkfontdir and then "ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale". Should work.
Geez, nothing gets past you, eh?
Sure, it's mechanical, and it moves around until it finds an edge, but so did a toy I had when I was 5.
All it does is go go go go go until a little sensor inside detects a pitch, then one side goes go go go go in the opposite direction so it can turn away from the edge.
I hear that in the future, traffic lights will be able to tell when cars are at the intersection! Crazy times we live in.
Yes.
That's like saying that you want to move the functionality of tires into the windshield; it makes no sense (to me at least). Please explain what you mean.
Who cares, you're not gonna change the guy's mind. People pirate shit because they don't care, and someone nagging them on slashdot is not going to change that. Move on please!
Careful with the flamebait there, buddy. Mozilla and Phoenix have a hard time "ripping" anyone "off". Their users saw a feature that they liked and enough developers agreed so they wrote it. Welcome to open source. Don't be so abrasive.
NetBSD? :)
I find it interesting that with all of the babbling and speculation about version numbers, no one has mentioned that RH9 should include XF4.3, which means RandR support. AFAIK this is the first layman-oriented distro with it, and I expect redhat to have something similar to the windows display control panel, allowing on the fly resolution/refresh/etc changes. Should be interesting to see...
it does matter! mine is "Excellent"!
but not for long, with this comment!
but since i said that, people won't mod me down!
but now they will!
my brain hurts!
i remember seeing this on the television set. korn's new album cost 4 million dollars, because they set themselves up in rental mansions during the recording, and all kinds of other ridiculous things. i believe i remember hearing that the 1 million dollar mark was reserved for huge artists.
i'd say the average artist (but the average artist doesnt sell shit for records, comparatively) costs under $100K.
they just come to work on meth.
but then again, meth doesnt make you sloppy and stupid, it makes you obsessive/compulsive, so having your doctor on meth isnt really that bad of a thing. keeps him awake after 30 hours or whatever of no sleep.
i agree! :)
the installer is simple and no-frills, and gets the job done well, without confusing the hell out of you in the process.
I'm still running Debian on my other machine, I would switch, but it's running Apache, MySQL, BIND, Exim (i'm gonna get to learning sendmail), and something else i swear (buzzword overkill, brain freezing up) - anyways I don't...IPTables! That's it :P So I'll have to learn some ipf.
:)
Anyways it'll be a while until I'm confident in doing all that with NetBSD, so Debian stays for a while - not that I all of a sudden don't like it, but I definitely prefer NetBSD now.
And of course I agree with your two added points
Why? What don't you like about NetBSD?
haha, NO!
I wonder how the hell I did that....
Damn, got here late, this story was posted while I was at work, and now probably no one will even see this comment :P
:) For those that like KDE or Gnome, they run, in fact NetBSD had KDE 3 way before Debian ever did. So what's the fuss?
:)). If BSD wasn't around, alot of other operating systems would have gotten crappier TCP/IP stacks, OSX would probably be in much worse shape than it is (if it ever came to light at all), and many other things. So what if a vendor doesn't want to release their changes? They paid their people to write the code, let them have it. The original source will always be around.
:)
Some random thoughts:
I've run Linux for about a year and a few months, I've run Debian *only* for about a year, and recently I started running NetBSD on my desktop machine (yes, my desktop machine, not my server, router, or toaster). I don't see why people denounce the BSD's for desktop use. Mozilla runs, Xterm's run, irc clients run, Gaim runs, XMMS runs, MPlayer runs, damn, everything on my desktop runs
I moved from Linux to BSD for many reasons, BSD is much more tightly integrated. You don't get the "oh, that's Jim Bob Developer's fault, email him", etc. You don't get manual pages that state "This manual page is old and incomplete - please read the GNU info manual". Of course opinions differ, but I _like_ man pages. I don't like info manuals.
Another factor is the license and attitude of the community as far as licensing. I don't really like the GPL. Sure, in a perfect world, all software would be free, there would be no evil corporations, and everyone could sit around reading fine literature and hiking out in the mountains - BUT that's not going to happen. If people want to make a product and sell it, let them do it (as long as they're not breaking the law
BSD init is alot cleaner than Sys V init - no piles of symlinks with funny names - and NetBSD's rc.d system takes care of Sys V init-style init scripts (/etc/rc.d/named restart). In fact, NetBSD's rc.d system is being ported to FreeBSD.
ipf is, IMO, a hell of a lot nicer than IPTables.
The whole base system is consistant, well documented, well thought out, and easy to use as long as you know how to read. The userbase is *much* more intelligent and experienced, on average, however it is quite a bit smaller, than Linux's.
For software - there is pkgsrc, which is like Free/OpenBSD's ports system, or Gentoo's portage. pkgsrc is kept very up to date, I'm running Mozilla 1.2.1 from it right now.
As far as being a server or firewall/router, NetBSD runs any OSS Server stuff great, and I'm sure most Linux-only stuff would run fine under emulation.
Any other NetBSD users out there in the wasteland that is Slashdot? Speak up!
for $6K, you could build a hell of a system. 15K SCSI drives in a RAID 5 array, dual Athlon 2600+'s or whatever the newest is (or dual xeons or whatever), but this thing is pretty fucking lame. is this a joke? why the hell was this posted? remember cowboyneal, there are p4 3.06's now? and the systems with them dont cost $6K? and they arent in shoddily painted cases and overpriced by about 5x?
why even bother posting?
ok you didnt even make modules or make modules_install, but then you talk about forgetting a module? and even if you do forget a module, you can go back, select it, and compile it (only it), and install it, very quickly. and xconfig is lame.
and people posting stupid comments shouldn't refer to others as "kids".
my p233 ran with 2 fans at 5v, silently, for quite a while. now they're back at 12v, but just because it's stuffed into a motherboard (i.e. cardboard) box, and space is tight, so i figure i shouldnt skimp on cooling :P
:)
anyways, while a 233 surely is not sufficient for a modern desktop, an athlon 1600 or so sure is, and they're about $60. not sure why people need the biggest baddest stuff, well ok maybe i am sure. ego boost
makes you wonder whether people that buy this stuff are just rich and dont give a crap, or they actually have save up for a while to afford it. if the latter, then man...poor fools....
i know, it was an anal post, the main reason i mentioned it is because *alot* of people seem to think that virtual memory == swap.
"better"? what's better than having a little fun? don't be so damn serious.
ah..well.. you use some funky terms. virtual memory means all memory space addressable to the kernel, which is physical ram + swap space. swap space is not virtual memory, all memory is. it's always using virtual memory.