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You have no concept of numbers. Both Linux and mac are minor on the desktop but close to 50% of the backend of the internet is handled by unix or unix like systems (not including apple). The vast majority of which use gcc or some derivative.
Unix and its children and cousins on the back and front end probably double the total number of apple boxes out there. If not more so. Hell some numbers suggest that there actually are more linux desktops than mac desktops. Even if its close between apple and linux on the desktop (which is likely) the number of nix systems in use in general at least matches the number on either side (though they are not desktops).
You have obviously never been to prison. My father has been a corrections officer in new york state for over 15 years. Getting beat up by somebody in junior high is nothing compared to the shit that goes on in prison. I went to some crappy ass schools in some of the worst area's. Never heard of a guy being gang raped because he was a new transfer student. Never heard of a freshman having all of his teeth knocked out so he can be forced to suck dick. Never heard of any kids in any school being cut mouth to ear by a toothbrush made into a knife because they talked to much.
You really need to get some perspective. Getting your ass beat is WORLDS away from the stuff that goes on in prison. Even in a low security facility. Within weeks you would be begging your diety of choice for the good old days of mike smith, let alone the fact that this goes on for years and years of your life 24x7, where high school and junior high combined only take up 6 years at 6 hours a day 5 days a week 9 months a year. Big difference.
Oh and in prison, you get to be the skank of the week and the punching bag, nobody is going to offer you protection either. Unless you like to suck cock willingly anyway....
this is the same government that ignored data about terrorists and has still failed to secure any damn thing. Even if they had the technical capacity to monitor all of the traffic coming into each of google's DC's I doubt they would have the ability or forsight to actually parse the data in any meaningful way.
Of course in both cases your hoping that every laptop is the same or close to it, and that everyone is using a similar software load and settings etc etc.
Honestly to this day I have never had a driver issue with linux. Everything just works. I have been using linux for about 5 years now and I cannot recall the last piece of hardware that wouldnt work at all.
I see the point from both sides. My personal opinion is that windows is too much of a hassle for what it provides.
It also depends on what kind of contract you have. All of those vendors have tiered support, of course the customers who spend more money get priority. Thats business 101. Of course if you have a grade 1/platinum/level 1/whatever support contract then you get priority. Of course it costs money, or did you think the guys who deliver the parts, stock the parts, answer the phone, identify the problem, order the part etc etc worked for free ?
I used to work for one of those vendors. I would say you have a 1/100 chance of getting a "new" guy on the phone who just doesnt know how to handle your problem because the flowchart link is broken/outdated. In large support deparments its not unusual to have dozens of contacts and flow charts. Some of whom are half-way around the world working off-hours who you never talk to until this one guy calls up and has a problem. This is the flaw with so many of those companies, too many middle managers. The people who need to know never hear about it until something gets screwed up. Taking all of this into account I would guess that you have a 10% chance of having your issue messed up unless you have an on-site contract, in which case the chance's of something going awry are slim to none.
Small companies with bad admin/helpdesks cannot keep up with windows problems (virus's, adware etc) so I wouldnt expect them to have the ability and time to migrate like Novell is. However they could just hire Novell to do it for them, the general idea being that the savings in the long run with recoup and eventually surpass any upfront costs. If you cannot get a business loan to offset the upfront costs your business probably has bigger issues than IT.
Yeah... define human detectable. I own a $600 pair of headphones and have a $3k stereo setup (reciever, amp, 2 speakers.). I dont own the crapass altec lansing speakers that come with the average PC.
128kpbs MP3's sound like absolute crap to me. Flat is the only word that comes to mind, especially when listening to complex music like classical or industrial.
Thats your choice. Whats the option for somebody who wants a plain jane high quality file without DRM so they can play it in their car, at home, at work, on their mobile device etc ???
Right now there is not a choice unless you want to pay thousands extra to purchase a single brand closed solution that might ultimately fail or be shut down which would lead to all that music being unusable. You can have the data, you just can have access to it.
I buy CD's because usually they are cheaper for me than buying indivdual songs (everything I listen too is worth buying the whole album.). I take them home, rip to a 256 or 320kbps VBR MP3 and stack the CD along with the thousands of others that I have. It sits there collecting dust because I have a harddrive player in my car, I stream whatever I want to work and I own a portable mp3 player. I have never used P2P to share my music, I checked out some of the stuff on napster about 5 years ago and it was all crap quality so it wasnt worth my time.
Now lets say they stop making CD's. Where does that leave me ?
Lets say they update the itms and/or ipod firmware to only play songs encoded with the "new" codec, where does that leave you ?
You wanna trust them with your data, go ahead. Me ? I am going to keep fighting. If I purchase something I own it and should have the right to do what I want with it.
I would also point out that Jon's work isnt to make the songs work on other mobile devices, thats a side effect. The idea is to allow people who dont use a corporate OS (Windows, MAC) to use the itms. To the best of my knowledge none of the current major label online soulutions offer a "plain jane" high quality mp3, or a way to work with linux. (I might be wrong since I have never tried)
So if Bush or Karl rove say something that harms me economically or emotionally (similar to suicide) does the government gag them ? No.
Not to mention: Slippery Slope.
How long until they ban things that they just dont like, regardless of the "harmful" effects ? When does linux source code get banned ? VoIP ? etc etc
Freedom is an all or nothing proposition. Punish the crime, not the idea and certainly not information about it.
Technically no. In reality you would be hard pressed to find a case where the charges were pressed since in most cases the yeller is in a crowd and cops are lazy.
You cant take freedom to far, it either exists or it does not, there is no middle ground.
The only person in this country who allows foriegn people to dictate gov't policy is bush, of course he allows the wrong group of foriegners to dictate the wrong things.... but thats another story.
Please enlighten me as to what major country has a good record with regards to civil liberties for all of its citizens ? Somewhere along the line somebody gets short changed. Always happens.
How the frack do you come up with that idea ? The only logical connection I can see is that the internet allows easy access to depressing information... but it is the information not the net that is the problem.
Saying that there is no reason for that person to commit suicide without living that persons life is pretty selfish too. Regardless of the morality of the situation all opinions regarging the action are selfish. The parents post reeks of selfishness. Blaming every problem that he/she can on someone else's action without truly understanding the motivation.
Telling somebody who is unhappy to go on living to make you or someone else happy is similar to telling someone to do something to benefit you but not them. Sometimes life just isnt worth living. Not everyone wants to be a cube-whore who has no life a mortgage 2.3 kids and an overpriced house in suburbia. Thats hard for some people to understand because they enjoy that life. Not everyone is the same.
Because the alternative is trying to attack military targets. Which is near impossible when all you have is dynomite and pea shooters.
Its not like it was when the revolutionary war was fought, you can line up as a civilian and fight the military anymore. So they hit the gov't where it hurts the most, in the pocket book. They lose business's and the tax money from them and their products and citizens and their tax's.
Do you one better, it might put that company out of business.
Imagine the better part of a companies data (backups and all) its employees and IT structure blown to smokey little bits and pieces. The term crippling blow comes to mind.
Of course I am sure they all have taken this into account, I mean it had to occur to them that there was a reason they were getting the service/labor so cheap. Or it didnt occur to them, and wont until some major US company goes kaput because of something like this, and then everyone acts shocked and runs around like chicken little when the sky was falling, the economy collapse's and the world as we know it ends. Or not.
Really ? Perhaps you just lived in a non affected area when the blue collar jobs were leaving. I happened to have lived in an area where 15% of the population was supported by 3 factories, when those factories were going to be shut down all hell broke lose. The govenor of NY at the time (Cumo) showed up, even though our town had only ~20k people in it. Why ? Because it was a hot button issue.
Of course there is also the fact that when the blue collar jobs went away there were newer easier jobs to take their place. What exactly is replacing the white collar jobs ?
People worry when it effects them. The presidential campaigns hardly touched this issue even though some media outlets thought it would decide the election. Why wasnt it a major issue ? Because the average american has not yet felt the heat, only the tech sector and the aformentioned blue collar sector have had to feel the full brunt of this issue. This will be a much larger issue in the next two elections as china enters the fray and management level jobs start getting shipped out.
Just for the sake of argument whats the difference between a terrorist and a person who is fighting for their freedom ?
This action and those like it are very similar to the actions taken by the people who helped build this country. Surely they did not bomb places of work, but its not exactly like throwing stones at a tank is the same as throwing them at a british soldier who has a single shot muskett.
First off nobody died. Second get off your high horse. These people are making light of our reaction to a possible problem in a region that is supposed to be supplying the replacements for us all. Yeah, sorry if them not having their shit together and us letting them know it offends you. Blow it out your ass.
Your right we were pissed off about people dancing in the fucking streets about 9/11, I wonder if you were talking to the happy arabs when that happened ? Perhaps you were going doctor phil on them and explaining how insensitive they were being, its a fucking wonder you didnt get your head chopped off.
Now please explain to me about how a failed attempt at terrorism is anywhere near the level of the worst terrorist action in history ? Then explain to me how your equating those two things is any less insensitive than people joking about call centre's and indian terrorists.
While your at it perhaps you could explain to me how this is any different than some americans finding humor in the constantly flooded/mud-slided/wild fire/hurricane/snowed on areas of the country ? Or did you miss the fact that we also mock/tease ourselves ?
So lemme get this straight. If MS or Novell make Netware or Windows Posix compliant they are Unices ? Just wanna clear that up because it sounds like that is your whole claim.
Sooooo sorry. According to every person I have talked to about this subject who has a solid technical grasp on the subject positively concludes that under the technical definition Linux is not Unix. Hell I remember mcnealy saying Linux was Unix and he almost got laughed right off the stage. Hell even people in his own company were making statements to the contrary and blasting his opinion.
The only people who have said Linux is Unix dont know what they are talking about. You think that ls, chmod or chown makes something a unix your wrong. I can install them on windows, it doesnt make it a unix. I would also point out that if Posix was the only way something could be considered unix everyone would be a unix vendor by now. Except perhaps MS. That however is not the case. Just because you make a chevy drive and behave like a ford doesnt make it a ford.
You can also cut the "purist" angle. I am not nor have I ever been a purist. That however doesnt mean I want to stick every friggin work-alike under one banner to make it easier on some simpleton manager who cannot grasp the difference between Linux and AIX.
Horsecrap. Talk to anyone who works on computers for a living and HAS worked on computers for years. The use the word Unix to describe a specific type of operating system.
Further to the point... Linux hardly contains any Unix code. Whereas BSD was built on the unix code. Solaris is a BSD for example.
Nobody I have ever talked to thought Unix meant Posix compliance. Why would you use something that came along decades after the fact to layout ground rules to assist in development and training as the definition for an operating system ? Thats goofy. Its like saying that since solaris is going to be (possibly already is) LSB compliant it is linux. Its not.
If everybody thought this then you wouldnt have several people going out of their way to point out that Linux is Not unix. Up and down this article's comments you see two people saying it is and quite a few saying it isnt. The only people who think it is dont have a very good technical grasp on the subject... or want to lump everything together to make Linux look better (worse ?).
Unix is a code base, it always was a code base. The frickin trademark came along afterwards so there was a standard that could be applied to all the variations out there. Similar to what LSB is trying to accomplish.
Linux is not Unix. It has a lot in common because it was designed to have a lot in common. Commonality however does not mean that they are the same.
Linux does not have the ability to execute Unix code natively. Some of the corporate unices have add-on's that allow them to execute Linux code natively. This tells me that they are different operating systems. (Amongst the hundreds possibly thousands of other differences.)
Because its not unix. Its a fundamental design difference. Linux was specifically desiegned to be a unix-like system that could run on cheap (x86) hardware, so a lot of things are similar (commands and what not) but are not always the same in function or syntax. Especially if you are comparing a GNU utility to an old corporate Unix utility. However thats where some of the similarities come in, the corporate Unix's are increasingly using the GNU tools.
You build a kit car to look like a '67 shelby mustang, that doesnt make it a '67 shelby mustang.
Most people consider Linux to be part of the family, like an inlaw. Its not a blood relationship, they are sort of related. The BSD's on the other hand are Unix, they started as unix and still maintain a good portion of unix code. Some of their unix-ness has been bred out of the family though.
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You have no concept of numbers. Both Linux and mac are minor on the desktop but close to 50% of the backend of the internet is handled by unix or unix like systems (not including apple). The vast majority of which use gcc or some derivative.
Unix and its children and cousins on the back and front end probably double the total number of apple boxes out there. If not more so. Hell some numbers suggest that there actually are more linux desktops than mac desktops. Even if its close between apple and linux on the desktop (which is likely) the number of nix systems in use in general at least matches the number on either side (though they are not desktops).
You have obviously never been to prison. My father has been a corrections officer in new york state for over 15 years. Getting beat up by somebody in junior high is nothing compared to the shit that goes on in prison. I went to some crappy ass schools in some of the worst area's. Never heard of a guy being gang raped because he was a new transfer student. Never heard of a freshman having all of his teeth knocked out so he can be forced to suck dick. Never heard of any kids in any school being cut mouth to ear by a toothbrush made into a knife because they talked to much.
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You really need to get some perspective. Getting your ass beat is WORLDS away from the stuff that goes on in prison. Even in a low security facility. Within weeks you would be begging your diety of choice for the good old days of mike smith, let alone the fact that this goes on for years and years of your life 24x7, where high school and junior high combined only take up 6 years at 6 hours a day 5 days a week 9 months a year. Big difference.
Oh and in prison, you get to be the skank of the week and the punching bag, nobody is going to offer you protection either. Unless you like to suck cock willingly anyway
this is the same government that ignored data about terrorists and has still failed to secure any damn thing. Even if they had the technical capacity to monitor all of the traffic coming into each of google's DC's I doubt they would have the ability or forsight to actually parse the data in any meaningful way.
You can do the same thing with linux FWIW.
Of course in both cases your hoping that every laptop is the same or close to it, and that everyone is using a similar software load and settings etc etc.
Honestly to this day I have never had a driver issue with linux. Everything just works. I have been using linux for about 5 years now and I cannot recall the last piece of hardware that wouldnt work at all.
I see the point from both sides. My personal opinion is that windows is too much of a hassle for what it provides.
Exactly.
It also depends on what kind of contract you have. All of those vendors have tiered support, of course the customers who spend more money get priority. Thats business 101. Of course if you have a grade 1/platinum/level 1/whatever support contract then you get priority. Of course it costs money, or did you think the guys who deliver the parts, stock the parts, answer the phone, identify the problem, order the part etc etc worked for free ?
I used to work for one of those vendors. I would say you have a 1/100 chance of getting a "new" guy on the phone who just doesnt know how to handle your problem because the flowchart link is broken/outdated. In large support deparments its not unusual to have dozens of contacts and flow charts. Some of whom are half-way around the world working off-hours who you never talk to until this one guy calls up and has a problem. This is the flaw with so many of those companies, too many middle managers. The people who need to know never hear about it until something gets screwed up. Taking all of this into account I would guess that you have a 10% chance of having your issue messed up unless you have an on-site contract, in which case the chance's of something going awry are slim to none.
Small companies with bad admin/helpdesks cannot keep up with windows problems (virus's, adware etc) so I wouldnt expect them to have the ability and time to migrate like Novell is. However they could just hire Novell to do it for them, the general idea being that the savings in the long run with recoup and eventually surpass any upfront costs. If you cannot get a business loan to offset the upfront costs your business probably has bigger issues than IT.
Yeah ... define human detectable. I own a $600 pair of headphones and have a $3k stereo setup (reciever, amp, 2 speakers.). I dont own the crapass altec lansing speakers that come with the average PC.
128kpbs MP3's sound like absolute crap to me. Flat is the only word that comes to mind, especially when listening to complex music like classical or industrial.
German Industrial .... Now I am interested in checking out the link ...... Panzer Division sounds framiliar, will check it out.
I love industrial. Skinny Puppy, FLA, NIN, gravity kills, Ministry etc etc. Probably my favorite genre.
Thats your choice. Whats the option for somebody who wants a plain jane high quality file without DRM so they can play it in their car, at home, at work, on their mobile device etc ???
Right now there is not a choice unless you want to pay thousands extra to purchase a single brand closed solution that might ultimately fail or be shut down which would lead to all that music being unusable. You can have the data, you just can have access to it.
I buy CD's because usually they are cheaper for me than buying indivdual songs (everything I listen too is worth buying the whole album.). I take them home, rip to a 256 or 320kbps VBR MP3 and stack the CD along with the thousands of others that I have. It sits there collecting dust because I have a harddrive player in my car, I stream whatever I want to work and I own a portable mp3 player. I have never used P2P to share my music, I checked out some of the stuff on napster about 5 years ago and it was all crap quality so it wasnt worth my time.
Now lets say they stop making CD's. Where does that leave me ?
Lets say they update the itms and/or ipod firmware to only play songs encoded with the "new" codec, where does that leave you ?
You wanna trust them with your data, go ahead. Me ? I am going to keep fighting. If I purchase something I own it and should have the right to do what I want with it.
I would also point out that Jon's work isnt to make the songs work on other mobile devices, thats a side effect. The idea is to allow people who dont use a corporate OS (Windows, MAC) to use the itms. To the best of my knowledge none of the current major label online soulutions offer a "plain jane" high quality mp3, or a way to work with linux. (I might be wrong since I have never tried)
So if Bush or Karl rove say something that harms me economically or emotionally (similar to suicide) does the government gag them ? No.
Not to mention: Slippery Slope.
How long until they ban things that they just dont like, regardless of the "harmful" effects ? When does linux source code get banned ? VoIP ? etc etc
Freedom is an all or nothing proposition. Punish the crime, not the idea and certainly not information about it.
Technically no. In reality you would be hard pressed to find a case where the charges were pressed since in most cases the yeller is in a crowd and cops are lazy.
You cant take freedom to far, it either exists or it does not, there is no middle ground.
.... but thats another story.
The only person in this country who allows foriegn people to dictate gov't policy is bush, of course he allows the wrong group of foriegners to dictate the wrong things
Please enlighten me as to what major country has a good record with regards to civil liberties for all of its citizens ? Somewhere along the line somebody gets short changed. Always happens.
How the frack do you come up with that idea ? The only logical connection I can see is that the internet allows easy access to depressing information ... but it is the information not the net that is the problem.
Saying that there is no reason for that person to commit suicide without living that persons life is pretty selfish too. Regardless of the morality of the situation all opinions regarging the action are selfish. The parents post reeks of selfishness. Blaming every problem that he/she can on someone else's action without truly understanding the motivation.
Telling somebody who is unhappy to go on living to make you or someone else happy is similar to telling someone to do something to benefit you but not them. Sometimes life just isnt worth living. Not everyone wants to be a cube-whore who has no life a mortgage 2.3 kids and an overpriced house in suburbia. Thats hard for some people to understand because they enjoy that life. Not everyone is the same.
Because the alternative is trying to attack military targets. Which is near impossible when all you have is dynomite and pea shooters.
Its not like it was when the revolutionary war was fought, you can line up as a civilian and fight the military anymore. So they hit the gov't where it hurts the most, in the pocket book. They lose business's and the tax money from them and their products and citizens and their tax's.
Do you one better, it might put that company out of business.
Imagine the better part of a companies data (backups and all) its employees and IT structure blown to smokey little bits and pieces. The term crippling blow comes to mind.
Of course I am sure they all have taken this into account, I mean it had to occur to them that there was a reason they were getting the service/labor so cheap. Or it didnt occur to them, and wont until some major US company goes kaput because of something like this, and then everyone acts shocked and runs around like chicken little when the sky was falling, the economy collapse's and the world as we know it ends. Or not.
Really ? Perhaps you just lived in a non affected area when the blue collar jobs were leaving. I happened to have lived in an area where 15% of the population was supported by 3 factories, when those factories were going to be shut down all hell broke lose. The govenor of NY at the time (Cumo) showed up, even though our town had only ~20k people in it. Why ? Because it was a hot button issue.
Of course there is also the fact that when the blue collar jobs went away there were newer easier jobs to take their place. What exactly is replacing the white collar jobs ?
People worry when it effects them. The presidential campaigns hardly touched this issue even though some media outlets thought it would decide the election. Why wasnt it a major issue ? Because the average american has not yet felt the heat, only the tech sector and the aformentioned blue collar sector have had to feel the full brunt of this issue. This will be a much larger issue in the next two elections as china enters the fray and management level jobs start getting shipped out.
Just for the sake of argument whats the difference between a terrorist and a person who is fighting for their freedom ?
This action and those like it are very similar to the actions taken by the people who helped build this country. Surely they did not bomb places of work, but its not exactly like throwing stones at a tank is the same as throwing them at a british soldier who has a single shot muskett.
and there would also be a group of people making fun of it.
Welcome to america. Dont like it ? Leave.
This is how the world works: They hate us, we hate them. Everything else (like who hated who for what reason first) is semantics.
First off nobody died. Second get off your high horse. These people are making light of our reaction to a possible problem in a region that is supposed to be supplying the replacements for us all. Yeah, sorry if them not having their shit together and us letting them know it offends you. Blow it out your ass.
Your right we were pissed off about people dancing in the fucking streets about 9/11, I wonder if you were talking to the happy arabs when that happened ? Perhaps you were going doctor phil on them and explaining how insensitive they were being, its a fucking wonder you didnt get your head chopped off.
Now please explain to me about how a failed attempt at terrorism is anywhere near the level of the worst terrorist action in history ? Then explain to me how your equating those two things is any less insensitive than people joking about call centre's and indian terrorists.
While your at it perhaps you could explain to me how this is any different than some americans finding humor in the constantly flooded/mud-slided/wild fire/hurricane/snowed on areas of the country ? Or did you miss the fact that we also mock/tease ourselves ?
I think they want the telco's and cable companies regulated. Not themselves. It was badly worded though.
So lemme get this straight. If MS or Novell make Netware or Windows Posix compliant they are Unices ? Just wanna clear that up because it sounds like that is your whole claim.
Sooooo sorry. According to every person I have talked to about this subject who has a solid technical grasp on the subject positively concludes that under the technical definition Linux is not Unix. Hell I remember mcnealy saying Linux was Unix and he almost got laughed right off the stage. Hell even people in his own company were making statements to the contrary and blasting his opinion.
The only people who have said Linux is Unix dont know what they are talking about. You think that ls, chmod or chown makes something a unix your wrong. I can install them on windows, it doesnt make it a unix. I would also point out that if Posix was the only way something could be considered unix everyone would be a unix vendor by now. Except perhaps MS. That however is not the case. Just because you make a chevy drive and behave like a ford doesnt make it a ford.
You can also cut the "purist" angle. I am not nor have I ever been a purist. That however doesnt mean I want to stick every friggin work-alike under one banner to make it easier on some simpleton manager who cannot grasp the difference between Linux and AIX.
Horsecrap. Talk to anyone who works on computers for a living and HAS worked on computers for years. The use the word Unix to describe a specific type of operating system.
... Linux hardly contains any Unix code. Whereas BSD was built on the unix code. Solaris is a BSD for example.
... or want to lump everything together to make Linux look better (worse ?).
Further to the point
Nobody I have ever talked to thought Unix meant Posix compliance. Why would you use something that came along decades after the fact to layout ground rules to assist in development and training as the definition for an operating system ? Thats goofy. Its like saying that since solaris is going to be (possibly already is) LSB compliant it is linux. Its not.
If everybody thought this then you wouldnt have several people going out of their way to point out that Linux is Not unix. Up and down this article's comments you see two people saying it is and quite a few saying it isnt. The only people who think it is dont have a very good technical grasp on the subject
Unix is a code base, it always was a code base. The frickin trademark came along afterwards so there was a standard that could be applied to all the variations out there. Similar to what LSB is trying to accomplish.
Linux is not Unix. It has a lot in common because it was designed to have a lot in common. Commonality however does not mean that they are the same.
Linux does not have the ability to execute Unix code natively. Some of the corporate unices have add-on's that allow them to execute Linux code natively. This tells me that they are different operating systems. (Amongst the hundreds possibly thousands of other differences.)
Because its not unix. Its a fundamental design difference. Linux was specifically desiegned to be a unix-like system that could run on cheap (x86) hardware, so a lot of things are similar (commands and what not) but are not always the same in function or syntax. Especially if you are comparing a GNU utility to an old corporate Unix utility. However thats where some of the similarities come in, the corporate Unix's are increasingly using the GNU tools.
You build a kit car to look like a '67 shelby mustang, that doesnt make it a '67 shelby mustang.
Most people consider Linux to be part of the family, like an inlaw. Its not a blood relationship, they are sort of related. The BSD's on the other hand are Unix, they started as unix and still maintain a good portion of unix code. Some of their unix-ness has been bred out of the family though.