"I guess the problem is that I'm more of a consumer than a producer. I tend to play games, watch movies, listen to music, browse the web etc 90% of the time w/ my pc..."
Sounds exactly like me. I have been linux exclusively for about 5 years now. Wanna try again ?
Granted there are not a lot of games available, but freeciv and the ID games satisfy me just fine. Other than that I have not seen a webpage in well over 3 years that doesnt work, I have a 33G repository/backup of my mp3s that all work just fine, and I watch a good amount of DVD's. All of this works fairly straight forward with a default fedora install (you have to install mp3 support).
Perhaps the problem is that you like most windows users just dont see a point in switching. I mean you already spent so much time getting windows just the way you like it and learning all of its ins and outs, why do it all again ? I cant say I disagree, just dont spout crap about linux not working when it works just fine.
"Just because the world wants something doesn't mean it's right."
Couldnt have said it better in light of the recent elections. The majority of the american people wanted something that is completely fucking moronic.
"The only love that is true love comes from God, period."
The only love that is true love comes from Satan, period.
The only love that is true love comes from yourself, period.
The only love that is true love comes from hookers, period.
The only love that is true love comes from the sun, period.
The only love that is true love comes from being true to yourself and using your brain, period.
Its funny how something can be used to push a certain group think moral. God is your decision, dont try to tell people it does or doesnt exist or involve's love. Taking a look around this world (really you need not look any farther than the whitehouse) I think that god is either dead, never existed to begin with or is a petulant spoiled fucking brat who needs a damn spanking. None of which inspires me to have faith in such a being.
Speaking of faith you might want to learn the meaning of the word. You dont have proof of anything, thats why it takes faith to believe. Generally speaking its very similar to being insane.
Thats all nice and dandy, but it still doesnt tell us everything we need to know. What arch flags are you using with gentoo ? What flags did you use (if any) to create the FS on the partition ? What window manager are you using ? What useless features/daemons does your WM have turned on ? What kernel options do you have enabled ? All of this effects the speed of your system and responsiveness of it.
I currently have three boxes on my home network that have graphics enabled (four more that are terminal/ssh only) 1 gentoo, 1 fedora core 3, 1 windows XP. I get similar response on the fedora core and windows XP boxes. They both tend to be snappy, although as an above poster noted XP tends to get sluggish a lot quicked when loaded. The gentoo system is noticably quicker in re-drawing the windows and menu responsiveness. I use enlightenment 16.7. I have used enlightenment for 4 years now, mostly because gnome and kde suck up to much memory and require to many useless daemons/services.
I have the 5 out plan (had... I just downgraded to 3 out... lack of time) and have NEVER gotten less than 25 movies in a month in the entire 3 years I have been a member. I have gotten as many as 38 movies in a month.
Usually if I ship out on monday morning I have new movies wensday. If I ship out thursday I usually have movies sat. This isnt always the case, if I have a wait movie in my Q it adds a day. Occasionally I order rare movies and they get sent from out of state. (Talked to a netflix employee and had it explained to me why some movies take a longer time to get to me after shipping)
Wrong. Plumbers and the like can learn their trade from someone. Being a good plumber does not take vision or talent, it takes the ability to deal with shit and learn.
You cant teach what van gogh had. You cant go to school to learn how to be the next davinci. You either have it or you dont.
"Think of all the great evil that has come from challenging the system and fighting for what they believe. Hitler challenged the system and fought for his beliefs. The Oklahoma City bomber challenged the system and fought for what he believed."
You have got to be high, or joking. The greatest evils in the history of this world were allowed to happen when other people stood by and LET them happen. Hitler did bad things. Horrible things. However many great things came from the nazi's, not the least of which is the tolerance gained once people saw how truly horrible intolerance can be.
"They also choose what inspires them and what they do with that inspiration."
Its not that simple. Sometimes things just grab you. You cant choose what or who you love. I'm sure he probably turned quite a few people into drug addicts or drunks. Is that really a bad thing ? Stupid people die. If you drive drunk you are a stupid person. Hopefully your stupidity will make headlines in the paper so I can post it to the CoFD mailing list and we can all have a chuckle at your corpse's expense.
Entertainment does not include thought. You speak of mother theresa, but in all likelihood without the written word and the thought provoking arguments of others before her we would not have had mother theresa.
Football players entertain, they do not create, they do not challenge. Music has the ability to do these things, as do other forms of art like writing or film. Without these things many people would not have the opportunity to fight the system of oppression and greed. Without these things they would not know they are being oppressed. Look back through history at the role of writers, artists, poets and the like. They have always been at the forefront of change. They have brought about discussion on topics that the average person has been afraid to broach.
Lemme put this another way for you:
How many people has he inspired to become writers ?
How many people has he inspired to challenge the system ?
How many people has he inspired to fight for their beliefs ?
How many people has he inspired to get drunk and trash a hotel room ?
Greatness is not measured purely by direct action. Just because I donate money to homeless people doesnt make me great. Greatness comes in many forms, inspiration being one of them. Many great artists (writers, muscicians, painters etc) are great people because of what they inspire in others. Inspiration is greatness. Charity is greatness. Intelligence is greatness. Greatness comes in many forms.
Have you EVER in your life traveled ? Been outside your shit ass town ? I would guess not. The point is that what defines a region is culture, the culture in texas is nothing like the south. Period.
Who the fuck said anything about seattle you jackass ? Since you brought it up... there is an ITT tech campus in seattle. There is also the main campus for UW. There are over 15 different schools in the seattle area. There are also a ton of other schools in the surrounding area's. Its because of this combined with the rapid growth in the area during the 80's and 90's that many major tech companies have offices in the region, quite a few of which are their main offices.
Using your logic New York and Pennsylvania are not part of the north-east because they are as big as the rest of the northeast combined. Moron.
That might be because seattle probably has 20x more subscribers than my region. Of course thats how it was where I used to live and they built a new distribution center to fix the problem. Give them time, they will fix it.
Your state gave us W. I could lump you in with the states from eastern europe and you still would be the lowest ranked state. Cede from the union already would ya.
"IMO, Texas is not part of the Midwest or the South. It is a world unto itself..."
I agree with you and I think about 46% of the company agree's with us.
I would agree that Virginia is not a southern style state, I have friends that live there... they act more like north easterners than southerners. Who was fighting on what side of the war doesnt mean squat, its a culture thing. Although generally the division is how certain culture differences came about... its not the only reason.
That being said GT is not a great tech school, although as I pointed out atlanta has a solid tech community. Clemson is certainly not a tech oriented school, I live within reasonable driving distance and know a few students. Nothing in the south compares to stanford, MIT, Berkley etc etc. Thats the major difference as far as schools, there are very few major comp-sci research schools.
"most people leave the South as soon as they finish their degrees, heading for greener pastures in the northeast, California, Texas, etc. Of course, this is mostly because that's where all the good jobs are."
The coastal carolinas, atlanta, nashville... they are some of the fastest growing markets in the country. Generally I see your point, nobody wants to live in clemson or rural virginia or georgia.
"they should look at themselves and their neighbors; most of us just don't want to live in that environment."
Sorry but your dead wrong. The south in general has some very nice areas. Where I live in Charleston its nice. Very nice. Kick ass weather, culture, style and its generally one of the more beautiful places (for people AND places) that I have ever been. Sure it doesnt have all the fringe benefits of a place like SanFran or NYC but I also can find a nice place within walking range of the beach for 1k/month. Places like atlanta, charlotte , raliegh etc are all very nice, and they are growing which means that oppourtunities abound.
There are places that are hick and rural no matter where you live. New York, California, Florida, Texas. They all have those type of places. We simply dont have a very dense population in this country outside of the north east and the south cali area.
Not really. Even at the largest tech companies the majority of the employees are management, sales and marketing. The actual technical people are a small percentage in the grand scheme, and usually dont require any support.
A 'team' could probably support 200 windows PC's. An individual would run so far behind on updates and fixes to the updates that it would be far too unreasonable for a major firm that has major security expectations to do things that way.
Not to say linux doesnt have similar issues because it does, it just doesnt have has many.
Texas is considered to be in the midwest. I know this because I live in South Carolina, which is part of the south, ask a southerner about texas. They react nearly has appaled as they do about california.
There are no major tech companies in the south because of two things:
1. There are no major tech schools, as such there is no major talent pool to draw from.
2. There is no need. Since there are no major tech schools or major tech companies the need for tech people and tech companies is minimal. Hence the market demand isnt there and there is not company that will move into an area where it is likely to fail.
Its getting better in some places. North Carolina has a fairly large amount of tech people and tech companies and atlanta is coming along nicely as well (do believe they have a google center IIRC) but generally places like Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, Savannah, Nashville, Mobile etc etc just dont have the market to support it. Not size really... consumer demand combined with available resources like major bandwidth and tech people to fill needs.
The other requires that you get ready, get in car, drive to store, get out of car, go into store, locate place where movie should be, ask clueless sales idiot if they have any copies of movie in stock, get in car, drive home.
Not to mention that you probably pay less than $2/dvd with netflix, and double that with blockbuster.
Well in the past year I have lived in Rochester NY and Charleston SC and I have rarely had more than a two day turnaround time. If I drop the movies in a mailbox on monday morning I have new movies on wendsday. Like clockwork.
Granted some of the newer big releases have had a waiting period. Nothing more than a week in my experience.
" The "40 services" was phrased in SUSE terms (from their install system)"
Just goes to prove that you shouldnt believe everything you read. You can get a webserver running just html down to around 40 process's if it is only lightly used, or an ssh/ftp server; but your point is taken.
You right about the most accurate way patches could be counted. Although I also agree with an above poster who pointed out that the patches included in an assesment shouldnt count ones that patch non-standard services or odd-configurations. Only the default install.
You do understand that 40 processes is *NOT* 40 services, right ? If you really want to split hairs about this (2000 and XP are very similar - indeed they are about as much akin as suse and suse enterprise) then you shouldnt be checking the public version of SuSe, you should be checking the enterprise (aka production server) version of SuSe. The only 2 public distro's (aka downloadable for free) that are built with a true server environment in mind are Fedora Core 3 and Debian. Thats one of the major differences between suse and suse enterprise.
The only other option for having 40 services running on a default install is if you installed everything... like the machine is a desktop. In which case you would have somewhere in the range of 70~100 process's running upon startup. Compare that with most of the server oriented platforms that will have about 40~50 process's running, the vast majority of which are not listening on a TCP/IP port.
Also worth noting is that your right about mandrake being compared to XP. The problem is the article compares 2003 to redhat and suse. Namely it compares the number of patches released as if thats an accurate indicator of security. Somewhere in the above thread a person mentioned portscanning a default mandrake install. I was merely pointing out that comparing mandrake to 2003 is not a fair comparison since one is built for end users and the other is built for admins. Desktop OS's will *always* have services running by default. The end users require it. Thats doesnt mean that they should install or enable everything, but simple baseling stuff like printing, filesharing, USB compat, sound, X related stuff etc etc should always be enabled at startup on a desktop. Otherwise all we ever hear about is how "windows works" and "linux doesnt". However there should also be a firewall running by default to block the incoming connections on those ports.
No offense, but mandrake is not a server platform. Its like comparing windows ME or 98 (something pre XP/2k kernel).
Mandrake, Linspire and linux versions along those lines assume little or no knowledge from the user. They behave like microsoft in that respect and hence have similar issues (although still not quite as bad). I have long stated that microsoft's first step in the right direction would be assuming knowledge on the part of the user and disabling (or not installing) un-needed services and coming up with a more secure way to handle some of its mpre vulnerable services (file sharing).
Microsofts problems are not always crap code. No matter the project type or developer group crap code will ALWAYS exist. The need to focus on building a secure culture, not just patching the problems that are likely to be exploited, but actually looking for holes and patching them far ahead of time. Making sure their developers are doing things the right way and making sure marketing doesnt make any decisions that could influence security.
I would second a large part of your post. Most notably that engineers want as much info as possible BEFORE they start. It is largely do to most engineers not wanting to go back and re-write or re-do everything because the information changed.
One of my two parents quit, with little effort. The other wont quit cause he doesnt see the point, its his choice.
Not everyone has problems with addiction. Treating everyone like they have problems with it by trying to control what choices they make based on your opinion is no different than telling someone what religion to follow, what church to go to, what to eat, who to marry or anything else along these lines. Smoking is a nasty habit that can cause cancer and many other problems. That doesnt mean everyone is affected by its side affects, and it certainly doesnt mean you should try to play parent to the world and make anything that MIGHT cause a problem illegal. If you go down that road we wouldnt be having this conversation because the internet can be harmful, and addictive. It can also be used to commit crimes.
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"I guess the problem is that I'm more of a consumer than a producer. I tend to play games, watch movies, listen to music, browse the web etc 90% of the time w/ my pc..."
Sounds exactly like me. I have been linux exclusively for about 5 years now. Wanna try again ?
Granted there are not a lot of games available, but freeciv and the ID games satisfy me just fine. Other than that I have not seen a webpage in well over 3 years that doesnt work, I have a 33G repository/backup of my mp3s that all work just fine, and I watch a good amount of DVD's. All of this works fairly straight forward with a default fedora install (you have to install mp3 support).
Perhaps the problem is that you like most windows users just dont see a point in switching. I mean you already spent so much time getting windows just the way you like it and learning all of its ins and outs, why do it all again ? I cant say I disagree, just dont spout crap about linux not working when it works just fine.
Somebody should tell W that. He seems to think he is a texan.
"Just because the world wants something doesn't mean it's right."
Couldnt have said it better in light of the recent elections. The majority of the american people wanted something that is completely fucking moronic.
"The only love that is true love comes from God, period."
The only love that is true love comes from Satan, period.
The only love that is true love comes from yourself, period.
The only love that is true love comes from hookers, period.
The only love that is true love comes from the sun, period.
The only love that is true love comes from being true to yourself and using your brain, period.
Its funny how something can be used to push a certain group think moral. God is your decision, dont try to tell people it does or doesnt exist or involve's love. Taking a look around this world (really you need not look any farther than the whitehouse) I think that god is either dead, never existed to begin with or is a petulant spoiled fucking brat who needs a damn spanking. None of which inspires me to have faith in such a being.
Speaking of faith you might want to learn the meaning of the word. You dont have proof of anything, thats why it takes faith to believe. Generally speaking its very similar to being insane.
Thats all nice and dandy, but it still doesnt tell us everything we need to know. What arch flags are you using with gentoo ? What flags did you use (if any) to create the FS on the partition ? What window manager are you using ? What useless features/daemons does your WM have turned on ? What kernel options do you have enabled ? All of this effects the speed of your system and responsiveness of it.
I currently have three boxes on my home network that have graphics enabled (four more that are terminal/ssh only) 1 gentoo, 1 fedora core 3, 1 windows XP. I get similar response on the fedora core and windows XP boxes. They both tend to be snappy, although as an above poster noted XP tends to get sluggish a lot quicked when loaded. The gentoo system is noticably quicker in re-drawing the windows and menu responsiveness. I use enlightenment 16.7. I have used enlightenment for 4 years now, mostly because gnome and kde suck up to much memory and require to many useless daemons/services.
I have the 5 out plan (had ... I just downgraded to 3 out ... lack of time) and have NEVER gotten less than 25 movies in a month in the entire 3 years I have been a member. I have gotten as many as 38 movies in a month.
Usually if I ship out on monday morning I have new movies wensday. If I ship out thursday I usually have movies sat. This isnt always the case, if I have a wait movie in my Q it adds a day. Occasionally I order rare movies and they get sent from out of state. (Talked to a netflix employee and had it explained to me why some movies take a longer time to get to me after shipping)
Wrong. Plumbers and the like can learn their trade from someone. Being a good plumber does not take vision or talent, it takes the ability to deal with shit and learn.
You cant teach what van gogh had. You cant go to school to learn how to be the next davinci. You either have it or you dont.
"Think of all the great evil that has come from challenging the system and fighting for what they believe. Hitler challenged the system and fought for his beliefs. The Oklahoma City bomber challenged the system and fought for what he believed."
You have got to be high, or joking. The greatest evils in the history of this world were allowed to happen when other people stood by and LET them happen. Hitler did bad things. Horrible things. However many great things came from the nazi's, not the least of which is the tolerance gained once people saw how truly horrible intolerance can be.
"They also choose what inspires them and what they do with that inspiration."
Its not that simple. Sometimes things just grab you. You cant choose what or who you love. I'm sure he probably turned quite a few people into drug addicts or drunks. Is that really a bad thing ? Stupid people die. If you drive drunk you are a stupid person. Hopefully your stupidity will make headlines in the paper so I can post it to the CoFD mailing list and we can all have a chuckle at your corpse's expense.
Entertainment does not include thought. You speak of mother theresa, but in all likelihood without the written word and the thought provoking arguments of others before her we would not have had mother theresa.
Football players entertain, they do not create, they do not challenge. Music has the ability to do these things, as do other forms of art like writing or film. Without these things many people would not have the opportunity to fight the system of oppression and greed. Without these things they would not know they are being oppressed. Look back through history at the role of writers, artists, poets and the like. They have always been at the forefront of change. They have brought about discussion on topics that the average person has been afraid to broach.
That is greatness.
Lemme put this another way for you:
How many people has he inspired to become writers ?
How many people has he inspired to challenge the system ?
How many people has he inspired to fight for their beliefs ?
How many people has he inspired to get drunk and trash a hotel room ?
Greatness is not measured purely by direct action. Just because I donate money to homeless people doesnt make me great. Greatness comes in many forms, inspiration being one of them. Many great artists (writers, muscicians, painters etc) are great people because of what they inspire in others. Inspiration is greatness. Charity is greatness. Intelligence is greatness. Greatness comes in many forms.
Have you EVER in your life traveled ? Been outside your shit ass town ? I would guess not. The point is that what defines a region is culture, the culture in texas is nothing like the south. Period.
... there is an ITT tech campus in seattle. There is also the main campus for UW. There are over 15 different schools in the seattle area. There are also a ton of other schools in the surrounding area's. Its because of this combined with the rapid growth in the area during the 80's and 90's that many major tech companies have offices in the region, quite a few of which are their main offices.
... WTF ????
Who the fuck said anything about seattle you jackass ? Since you brought it up
Using your logic New York and Pennsylvania are not part of the north-east because they are as big as the rest of the northeast combined. Moron.
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What schools are there ? LSU ? LTech ?
Never been to Louisiana, and dont know anybody from there.
That might be because seattle probably has 20x more subscribers than my region. Of course thats how it was where I used to live and they built a new distribution center to fix the problem. Give them time, they will fix it.
Your state gave us W. I could lump you in with the states from eastern europe and you still would be the lowest ranked state. Cede from the union already would ya.
You should be capitalizing the "I" in your post whenever referring to yourself.
"IMO, Texas is not part of the Midwest or the South. It is a world unto itself..." I agree with you and I think about 46% of the company agree's with us.
I would agree that Virginia is not a southern style state, I have friends that live there ... they act more like north easterners than southerners. Who was fighting on what side of the war doesnt mean squat, its a culture thing. Although generally the division is how certain culture differences came about ... its not the only reason.
... they are some of the fastest growing markets in the country. Generally I see your point, nobody wants to live in clemson or rural virginia or georgia.
That being said GT is not a great tech school, although as I pointed out atlanta has a solid tech community. Clemson is certainly not a tech oriented school, I live within reasonable driving distance and know a few students. Nothing in the south compares to stanford, MIT, Berkley etc etc. Thats the major difference as far as schools, there are very few major comp-sci research schools.
"most people leave the South as soon as they finish their degrees, heading for greener pastures in the northeast, California, Texas, etc. Of course, this is mostly because that's where all the good jobs are."
The coastal carolinas, atlanta, nashville
"they should look at themselves and their neighbors; most of us just don't want to live in that environment."
Sorry but your dead wrong. The south in general has some very nice areas. Where I live in Charleston its nice. Very nice. Kick ass weather, culture, style and its generally one of the more beautiful places (for people AND places) that I have ever been. Sure it doesnt have all the fringe benefits of a place like SanFran or NYC but I also can find a nice place within walking range of the beach for 1k/month. Places like atlanta, charlotte , raliegh etc are all very nice, and they are growing which means that oppourtunities abound.
There are places that are hick and rural no matter where you live. New York, California, Florida, Texas. They all have those type of places. We simply dont have a very dense population in this country outside of the north east and the south cali area.
Not really. Even at the largest tech companies the majority of the employees are management, sales and marketing. The actual technical people are a small percentage in the grand scheme, and usually dont require any support.
A 'team' could probably support 200 windows PC's. An individual would run so far behind on updates and fixes to the updates that it would be far too unreasonable for a major firm that has major security expectations to do things that way.
Not to say linux doesnt have similar issues because it does, it just doesnt have has many.
Texas is considered to be in the midwest. I know this because I live in South Carolina, which is part of the south, ask a southerner about texas. They react nearly has appaled as they do about california.
... consumer demand combined with available resources like major bandwidth and tech people to fill needs.
There are no major tech companies in the south because of two things:
1. There are no major tech schools, as such there is no major talent pool to draw from.
2. There is no need. Since there are no major tech schools or major tech companies the need for tech people and tech companies is minimal. Hence the market demand isnt there and there is not company that will move into an area where it is likely to fail.
Its getting better in some places. North Carolina has a fairly large amount of tech people and tech companies and atlanta is coming along nicely as well (do believe they have a google center IIRC) but generally places like Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, Savannah, Nashville, Mobile etc etc just dont have the market to support it. Not size really
One thing requires no action other than *click*.
The other requires that you get ready, get in car, drive to store, get out of car, go into store, locate place where movie should be, ask clueless sales idiot if they have any copies of movie in stock, get in car, drive home.
Not to mention that you probably pay less than $2/dvd with netflix, and double that with blockbuster.
Well in the past year I have lived in Rochester NY and Charleston SC and I have rarely had more than a two day turnaround time. If I drop the movies in a mailbox on monday morning I have new movies on wendsday. Like clockwork.
Granted some of the newer big releases have had a waiting period. Nothing more than a week in my experience.
" The "40 services" was phrased in SUSE terms (from their install system)"
Just goes to prove that you shouldnt believe everything you read. You can get a webserver running just html down to around 40 process's if it is only lightly used, or an ssh/ftp server; but your point is taken.
You right about the most accurate way patches could be counted. Although I also agree with an above poster who pointed out that the patches included in an assesment shouldnt count ones that patch non-standard services or odd-configurations. Only the default install.
You do understand that 40 processes is *NOT* 40 services, right ? If you really want to split hairs about this (2000 and XP are very similar - indeed they are about as much akin as suse and suse enterprise) then you shouldnt be checking the public version of SuSe, you should be checking the enterprise (aka production server) version of SuSe. The only 2 public distro's (aka downloadable for free) that are built with a true server environment in mind are Fedora Core 3 and Debian. Thats one of the major differences between suse and suse enterprise.
... like the machine is a desktop. In which case you would have somewhere in the range of 70~100 process's running upon startup. Compare that with most of the server oriented platforms that will have about 40~50 process's running, the vast majority of which are not listening on a TCP/IP port.
The only other option for having 40 services running on a default install is if you installed everything
Also worth noting is that your right about mandrake being compared to XP. The problem is the article compares 2003 to redhat and suse. Namely it compares the number of patches released as if thats an accurate indicator of security. Somewhere in the above thread a person mentioned portscanning a default mandrake install. I was merely pointing out that comparing mandrake to 2003 is not a fair comparison since one is built for end users and the other is built for admins. Desktop OS's will *always* have services running by default. The end users require it. Thats doesnt mean that they should install or enable everything, but simple baseling stuff like printing, filesharing, USB compat, sound, X related stuff etc etc should always be enabled at startup on a desktop. Otherwise all we ever hear about is how "windows works" and "linux doesnt". However there should also be a firewall running by default to block the incoming connections on those ports.
No offense, but mandrake is not a server platform. Its like comparing windows ME or 98 (something pre XP/2k kernel).
Mandrake, Linspire and linux versions along those lines assume little or no knowledge from the user. They behave like microsoft in that respect and hence have similar issues (although still not quite as bad). I have long stated that microsoft's first step in the right direction would be assuming knowledge on the part of the user and disabling (or not installing) un-needed services and coming up with a more secure way to handle some of its mpre vulnerable services (file sharing).
Microsofts problems are not always crap code. No matter the project type or developer group crap code will ALWAYS exist. The need to focus on building a secure culture, not just patching the problems that are likely to be exploited, but actually looking for holes and patching them far ahead of time. Making sure their developers are doing things the right way and making sure marketing doesnt make any decisions that could influence security.
I would second a large part of your post. Most notably that engineers want as much info as possible BEFORE they start. It is largely do to most engineers not wanting to go back and re-write or re-do everything because the information changed.
AKA work smarter not harder.
You have never seen USA's money have you ?
Slashdot - Speculation about things that were posted before. Nerds bitching about stuff.
Slashdot - Now we are running low on stories. Someone post something quick !
Slashdot - Not really news. Might be someday.
One of my two parents quit, with little effort. The other wont quit cause he doesnt see the point, its his choice.
Not everyone has problems with addiction. Treating everyone like they have problems with it by trying to control what choices they make based on your opinion is no different than telling someone what religion to follow, what church to go to, what to eat, who to marry or anything else along these lines. Smoking is a nasty habit that can cause cancer and many other problems. That doesnt mean everyone is affected by its side affects, and it certainly doesnt mean you should try to play parent to the world and make anything that MIGHT cause a problem illegal. If you go down that road we wouldnt be having this conversation because the internet can be harmful, and addictive. It can also be used to commit crimes.