You're right in saying that, "Not every type of information gathering tecnology translates into an Orwellian plot."
Technology is not the method, just a means to an end. Generally things start out for good reasons and people are okay with these. However, there are ALWAYS someone who wants to step over the privacy line, cross the civil rights boundries and may even try to persuade the public over years or decades (VERY "Orwellian" to me if you ask) to get what they want.
Believe it or not, in this day when people want instant gratification, instant this, instant news, instant results, it's hard to believe people would spend years dedicated to something like taking rights away from people for power gains (no matter how small, they always want more) and financial gains.
Hard to fathom in many cases, even to what end could they want to do it, isn't it? Well my friend it's not a conspiracy it's just a fact of life. People want power, people want money and they always want more. I really believe there are some people that are actively persuing this.
Just to make an illistration, how quickly was the PATRIOT ACT introduced to congress and passes? Do you really believe that a handful of people came up with that entire bible sized document in around a couple of months, in such detail and refined (not rushed like many people believe) order. Take a look at it and see for yourself. Click here to read it and The Analysis
It's just hard to believe that a group of people came up with that in such a short amount of time. I swear it was planned sometimes.
I tote a gun, and I am also against public web filtering, censorship, pro-enviromentalish.
Heck, I've generally supported Bush in a lot of ways... but not all./. is not a place to discuss politics and religion (as in many places or websites)... as it usually intices trolls, anti and pro extremists in both directions to post, thus reducing any chance of an "even" discussion where egos don't flame, and civil conversation is stymied.
Oh I'm quite aware...that they'll be exposed to things I can't monitor. Then again, I don't expect to know everything they see, and at the minimum be aware of and possibly to what extent (of the things they've seen/been exposed to). But there's a limit to things I want brought into my home and if possible, into my childs mind (at such a young age).
Actually, rereading my post that you responded to, the intent was to monitor what they see - not censor their ability to view anything outright. Though, there's nothing wrong with blocking rotten.com, the various goatse's and slew of other seriously damaging crap from coming into my impressionable and immature child's minds.
As an adult, we can understand and rationalize. However, they cannot understand to the extent that we do, no matter their intellect; with age comes experience and hopefully wisdom. In the case of children, we hope their decisions will be based on helpful and truthful information to where they can make their own decisions that are hopefully, saner and better than our own.
I guess that's what every parent want, but I'll have to guess for now b/c I'm not one yet.
Secured Linux homebrewed install of my own. Keylogging software at the driver level (piece of cake) Website logging and caching of pages (12 month cycle of logs) ScreenShots based on keywords, websites and emails.
No seperate login needed really. Just teach your kid what to do, and what NOT to do, and usually even if their curious, they'll follow your instructions. Not to a T though, I mean come on. Who EVER was a perfect child in obedience and did what their parents told them? Let them explore and learn for themselves; it's the only way they're going to become responsible at all.
Does this mean parents will actually have to talk to their children? Does that mean they will actually have to teach them values and standards of their own?
If you look at a P1 or a P2 or even P3's, the pentium 4's are quite a bit smaller. The first time I opened one, I was a bit shocked and asked... is this right? It's a bit smaller than I expected.
my company can't do email reliably! we can't get attachments! our isp or servers suck! oops, we were at fault! can i recind my slashdot article? where do i get modded as troll?
give me a break, people have been saying it's the end of the email/BSD/MAC/intarweb for ages now and it's getting old. rehire some new tech staff that know what the heck to do or learn to do it yourself properly.
Are YOU one of those girls? Not to sound condescending, but you sure sound like one. =) Hey, I'm all for this, I do it all the time (barcoding, labeling etc).
pretty soon there will be a way to encode MP3's into barcode format, afterall, barcodes are just binary input, so... use your imagination from there!
Have you tried the apache organisation? I mean have you contacted them and asked if they would be interested in providing paid-for support for their open source proect?
Alright, where is your scientific evidence to support your purported claim? Exactly there is none. No evidence that porn is actually healthy and good to anyone.
That if I want to show my dick to interested parties, I can't, because I'm then somehow 'less than human', despite the fact that I chose to show my cock?
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Well, if you want to show your penis to people who are interested, that is your own perrogative. However you've misrepresented what I said in my grandparent post. I have said, and I quote: " The right to treat people as anything less than human... "
Apparently I have to explain this in detail to may of those on slashdot because it seems they can't think without some sort of knee jerk reaction or at all. (this is/. afterall much like the anti-aol/msft shiz)
Let me put it this way. The right to treat people as you chose ends at murder and abuse and I would challenge anyone to say otherwise. There are consiquences and they are inevitable, weather now or later.
It does turn them both into objects, however the focus (expecially the cameras) have in 90%, been focusing on the women.
The rebutt against this: porn is a problem, and I don't care what anyone says.
See that is the problem. You don't care what anybody has to say. It is you who has mad up your mind and it is you that is getting mad, dismissing our arguments outright and prentending that it isn't normal.
To clarify, I have made up my mind. Other peoples opinions are simply that, and I have in no way pretended others opinions aren't normal. They are normal peoples opininons which is just what they are. I have not gotten mad, nor do I care to. This is an online forum, an outlet for most people to act like complete fools and tools alike. Anyone who gets mad is both a fool and a tool.
I'm not trolling for arguments, but stating my own discoveries and representation of the facts. I don't see how this labels me and any of my opinions as "religious" as mentioned by a few other posters.
Out of the 30 flaming email I got, and 9 replys to various comments I have made on this topic, you are the only one that responds intelligently and not in an angry fury.
I'll take my hat off to you, but will still maintain that pornography is a blight on any society, regardless of it's acceptance.
And to anyone elses rebuttal regarding my religious preferences. Sorry, I have none. This is a personal preference and what knowledge I've come to has been through experience and academic study.
Slashdot Mirror
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Okay, I'll bite.
You're right in saying that, "Not every type of information gathering tecnology translates into an Orwellian plot."
Technology is not the method, just a means to an end. Generally things start out for good reasons and people are okay with these. However, there are ALWAYS someone who wants to step over the privacy line, cross the civil rights boundries and may even try to persuade the public over years or decades (VERY "Orwellian" to me if you ask) to get what they want.
Believe it or not, in this day when people want instant gratification, instant this, instant news, instant results, it's hard to believe people would spend years dedicated to something like taking rights away from people for power gains (no matter how small, they always want more) and financial gains.
Hard to fathom in many cases, even to what end could they want to do it, isn't it? Well my friend it's not a conspiracy it's just a fact of life. People want power, people want money and they always want more. I really believe there are some people that are actively persuing this.
Just to make an illistration, how quickly was the PATRIOT ACT introduced to congress and passes? Do you really believe that a handful of people came up with that entire bible sized document in around a couple of months, in such detail and refined (not rushed like many people believe) order. Take a look at it and see for yourself. Click here to read it and The Analysis
It's just hard to believe that a group of people came up with that in such a short amount of time. I swear it was planned sometimes.
1. who cares?
2. Educate the people in the patent office.
3. Nuke the patent office.
4. Nuke Redmond.
5. Bend over and take it.
I prefer to look at it this way
3. File hundereds of meaningless patents.
2. Let the people bend over and take it.
1. Profit!
---------zoloto
I tote a gun, and I am also against public web filtering, censorship, pro-enviromentalish.
/. is not a place to discuss politics and religion (as in many places or websites)... as it usually intices trolls, anti and pro extremists in both directions to post, thus reducing any chance of an "even" discussion where egos don't flame, and civil conversation is stymied.
Heck, I've generally supported Bush in a lot of ways... but not all.
spelling be damned!
Oh I'm quite aware ...that they'll be exposed to things I can't monitor. Then again, I don't expect to know everything they see, and at the minimum be aware of and possibly to what extent (of the things they've seen/been exposed to). But there's a limit to things I want brought into my home and if possible, into my childs mind (at such a young age).
Actually, rereading my post that you responded to, the intent was to monitor what they see - not censor their ability to view anything outright. Though, there's nothing wrong with blocking rotten.com, the various goatse's and slew of other seriously damaging crap from coming into my impressionable and immature child's minds.
As an adult, we can understand and rationalize. However, they cannot understand to the extent that we do, no matter their intellect; with age comes experience and hopefully wisdom. In the case of children, we hope their decisions will be based on helpful and truthful information to where they can make their own decisions that are hopefully, saner and better than our own.
I guess that's what every parent want, but I'll have to guess for now b/c I'm not one yet.
-zoloto
I will do something like this as well.
Secured Linux homebrewed install of my own.
Keylogging software at the driver level (piece of cake)
Website logging and caching of pages (12 month cycle of logs)
ScreenShots based on keywords, websites and emails.
No seperate login needed really. Just teach your kid what to do, and what NOT to do, and usually even if their curious, they'll follow your instructions. Not to a T though, I mean come on. Who EVER was a perfect child in obedience and did what their parents told them? Let them explore and learn for themselves; it's the only way they're going to become responsible at all.
Does this mean parents will actually have to talk to their children? Does that mean they will actually have to teach them values and standards of their own?
You don't say. What a shocker!
If you look at a P1 or a P2 or even P3's, the pentium 4's are quite a bit smaller. The first time I opened one, I was a bit shocked and asked... is this right? It's a bit smaller than I expected.
So yes... they're getting smaller.
This was a genetic problem that could have occured due to running or swimming. DDR was involved so naturally it makes headlines on /.
/. - strike 4525452 =) /for_the_humor_impaired_this_is_placed!
gg
my company can't do email reliably!
we can't get attachments!
our isp or servers suck!
oops, we were at fault!
can i recind my slashdot article?
where do i get modded as troll?
give me a break, people have been saying it's the end of the email/BSD/MAC/intarweb for ages now and it's getting old. rehire some new tech staff that know what the heck to do or learn to do it yourself properly.
good god WTF is wrong with people.
probably a lot, considering I don't use it.
Then again, someone refreshing my memory would help.
apparently you didnt' get it.
if the page fell into a wormhole, and is now not valid standards (as in it's old) it went to the future, which is today.
For the more visual:
Page(PAST) ---(wormhold)---> Present(TODAY)
get it? good.
Since Mozilla just hit 1.7, this webpage must have fallen backwards in time through a freak wormhole
I believe you mean, forward in time.
Are YOU one of those girls?
Not to sound condescending, but you sure sound like one. =) Hey, I'm all for this, I do it all the time (barcoding, labeling etc).
pretty soon there will be a way to encode MP3's into barcode format, afterall, barcodes are just binary input, so... use your imagination from there!
gzip directory/* | //network/share/file.gz
do help us. how are you doing this? I would like to know. most online information is hardly reputable or believable.
Have you tried the apache organisation? I mean have you contacted them and asked if they would be interested in providing paid-for support for their open source proect?
I'm willing to bed that they would wouldn't mind.
*bows*
Alright, where is your scientific evidence to support your purported claim? Exactly there is none. No evidence that porn is actually healthy and good to anyone.
LehiNephi^ isn't that a reference to something in the Book of Mormon?
then check out My comment posted here:
9 56 3554
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=112802&cid=
and for the lazy 9563554
wow, so out of context and even worse is your knee-jerk reaction without analyzing the statements at hand.
kudos slashdot user, kudos
Well, if you want to show your penis to people who are interested, that is your own perrogative. However you've misrepresented what I said in my grandparent post. I have said, and I quote: " The right to treat people as anything less than human... "
Apparently I have to explain this in detail to may of those on slashdot because it seems they can't think without some sort of knee jerk reaction or at all. (this is
Let me put it this way. The right to treat people as you chose ends at murder and abuse and I would challenge anyone to say otherwise. There are consiquences and they are inevitable, weather now or later.
Just read the following:
Pornographic Attitude in everyday life.
See the section on "Dehumanization of Women towrds the bottom
"The relationship between particularly sexually violent images in the media and subsequent aggression...is much stronger statistically than the relationship between smoking and lung cancer." -- Edward Donnerstein, 1983
Men and porn
The Surgeon Generals report on Pornography and Public Health
Also found here
Female Objects of Semantic Dehumanization and Violence
Watchtower Destruction
There. I've provide some evidence that's allowed to be posted or shown on the net (copyrights etc). Now let's see yours.
It does turn them both into objects, however the focus (expecially the cameras) have in 90%, been focusing on the women.
The rebutt against this: porn is a problem, and I don't care what anyone says.
See that is the problem. You don't care what anybody has to say. It is you who has mad up your mind and it is you that is getting mad, dismissing our arguments outright and prentending that it isn't normal.
To clarify, I have made up my mind. Other peoples opinions are simply that, and I have in no way pretended others opinions aren't normal. They are normal peoples opininons which is just what they are. I have not gotten mad, nor do I care to. This is an online forum, an outlet for most people to act like complete fools and tools alike. Anyone who gets mad is both a fool and a tool.
I'm not trolling for arguments, but stating my own discoveries and representation of the facts. I don't see how this labels me and any of my opinions as "religious" as mentioned by a few other posters.
Out of the 30 flaming email I got, and 9 replys to various comments I have made on this topic, you are the only one that responds intelligently and not in an angry fury.
I'll take my hat off to you, but will still maintain that pornography is a blight on any society, regardless of it's acceptance.
And to anyone elses rebuttal regarding my religious preferences. Sorry, I have none. This is a personal preference and what knowledge I've come to has been through experience and academic study.